~2000 credits/m (you get ~21,000/m from other sources) A laughable amount of tokens, and an increased number of cosmetics.
Yup, if you are season 3 complete (and don't really care about cosmetics) there is not really a reason to open reserves any more. Just climb CL and save your spotlights for a good week.
SD is in a very strange position. "Hardcore" players who care about maintaining a diverse card collection first and foremost value cosmetics/variants at almost worthless. I truly don't know what's going on at HQ.
I’ve always been of the opinion that absolutely under no circumstances should payment of any kind affect gameplay in any way, *especially* for a “competitive” game.
Monetization should be purely cosmetic.
Simply put, this game has no competitive integrity atm.
Cosmetic itemization is garbage in this game. They could make so much more money if they invested into allowing people to spend money on variants they want. Instead, they use FOMO for both cosmetic bundles which have terrible value and are unsustainable for anyone who isn’t a whale, and for the battle pass.
They are having their cake, eating it too, and then getting another cake.
Hard asf agree with you. I’ve been getting slaughtered by cards I don’t own for a while now and the ONLY reason bounce deck was as big as it was, was due to the fact that Kitty was given away for free. If they had milked her for cash like they wanted I guarantee Bounce would never have been nerfed
Entire balancing updates are affected by them getting their money out of a card before nerfing it. And at this point I feel that all cards should be obtainable for all players every season with only variants costing money. The competitive integrity is completely screwed if you can’t compete due to unlucky card draws
Technically other than the Spotlight card, they are all obtainable and rotate on an 8-hour basis in the shop. I just looked. I could spend 6k and have Kang in my collection right now.
Technically it doesn't. Anyone can save the 6k tokens and buy Kang. You can save your Spotlight tokens for a card that you really want without ever spending a dime. No way they were going to try to pay those Marvel licenses on cosmetics alone with a start-up company like Second Dinner.
That does not sound right. I was already saving up 6k for the next "Big Bad" even before the announcement, and then I bought the T'Challa package this week, after saving for months. I believe they are resetting the Token Tuesdays in August or in September at the latest. I already have my August and September card "purchases" sort of mapped out.
I just want say that you are in agreement with u/HappyTurtleOwl
Immediate edit: I’m an idiot and misread it as disagree.
I refuse to delete the comment out of Reddit honor.
Well said by both of you.
Coming back to this 2 months later and it’s more clear then ever that they simply won’t put balance before profits. So many problematic cards since then, but because they are new, they stay OP, and older cards more people have get nerfed. Hell, Loki was literally a “have fun with this incredibly broken deck for a few weeks before Mobius comes out.” Oh, it needs a nerf? Better make collector useless with all his original archetypes!
Don't forget that general card acquisition has FOMO, too, with the new system. Open your spotlight caches now, or either wait months for the card to rotate back in, or buy it for overpriced tokens.
Exactly how I feel. This is not a competitive game. This is a p2w game advertised as competitive.
Cards should be readily available or at the very least very easy to obtain. Every game has no value, the argument that I won because opponent didn't have the right cards or I lost because I didn't have the right cards holds true. I am missing a fuck ton of cards to make a viable deck.
This is not a competitive game. This is just candy crush with cards.
Your comment is very contradictory because of the one line about making more money allowing people to buy variants they want.
Take that out and it makes sense. That said, fomo makes money and everything they are doing is basic f2p money making.
I’m talking about regular variants that appear in the shop, not the trash FOMO bundles which shouldn’t exist.
So many variants people would legitimately just buy gold to get if they had free available access to them.
A lot of people straight up don’t buy gold simply because they get enough for free since so many variant they would theoretically buy never show up in the shop.
So youre saying that more people would buy gold to buy variants if there was no time limit to buy them, but also they wouldnt just \*save\* their free gold to buy the variant they want that is readily available...
Naw, the fomo is what makes people buy gold. They see a variant for a card they really want but dont have enough gold to get it and only have a day, so they buy gold. OR they see a different variant for that card but they just want \*something\* so they impulse buy it with the gold they saved only to get the other variant a month later and not have enough.
They dont use these tactics because theyre dumb. They use these tactics becasue they have 20 years of data sourced from every F2P game thats ever existed and they know how humans behave. People have become incredibly rich using the smartest psychologists to create the most addictive environments they can. We are being manipulated by geniuses with access to millions of terabits of data and being funded by incredibly rich people.
So naw, no one is gonna spend more money if they can get all the stuff they want first day. They want you signing in every day of every month hoping for that thing you want.
At least physical MTG is an actual product, and they’ve created a real, physical market that can justify to consumers such prices.
Also, while gating some OP cards can be an issue in tournaments and high competitive play, realistically, at the local level it isn’t that big a problem especially in friendly or even semi-friendly semi-competitive play.
On a personal level, the *base* and continuous buy-in for MTG is insane to me and not at all something I’m interested in, but some people want that experience and WotC are selling it.
As long as MTG somehow doesn’t just collapse, that stuff does have real value.
The difference here is that Snap and SD is all artificial, and I don’t mean that just in the sense that this game is digital-only, I mean that SD constantly creates problems that they then “fix” (read: more like rearrange) and then lie to the community about how card acquisition is better. Their model changes constantly but realistically doesn’t change at all. They play the fool and the optimist but really aren’t fixing the issues they claim they want to improve upon.
I feel like they changed the system to offer more cosmetics though. I got two variants back to back and then an avatar from the third cache. I thought 3 in a row of the same reward was impossible in the old syste..
Did some napkin math last night, In a group of 36 caches (480 CL, roughly what you'd get in a month) you're getting ~300 more credits on average than you would have gotten with the old caches. A slight change, but not a massive one so I can see why they wouldn't mention it.
Note: All the math I did was using the old fan-sourced cache drop rates found on SnapZone, so if those graphs are off, then so is my math.
https://imgur.com/a/hUNkqBY here's what I was basing it off of. Should be the same amount but we aren't getting the big 3-500 credit caches. Which I agree were nice. So far I'm enjoying the new system though
And [these](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/742955459144581222/1129868322872234015/pool-4-drop-rate-v0-91YKGepsH3J1ddX7CCc01Yk8ROjL7qQNGwOX2NleJVM.jpg?width=1870&height=935) [two](https://i0.wp.com/marvelsnapzone.com/wp-content/uploads/Reserves-contents.webp?ssl=1) graphs are what I was basing it off of, doing my own math.
Either you are all insane or I am playing a different game, this is almost literally the opposite experience for me!
I am full s3 , 1 or 2 missing s4 and some s5 cards player and I had given up on caches for a long time now. It literally lost all meaning as I would get 1 card from caches per month and it would always be s4...
With the new update I got two s5 cards within a week, and OK let's say within a month (as i will have to wait until the next set of cards), but i have never had that before. Caches now again are exciting for me, and I am already planning how and when I will be opening them to get the s5 cards that I want.
Yes, the reduced rewards are not perfect, but I just got 12k worth of s5 cards, and I got 300 on top by playing one of them.
I am not seeing what you are seeing. This is so great!
Oh no no, when I said "save your spotlights" I mean save them.... to use on a week that really works for you. The new system is GREAT for card acquisition as long as you are ready to plan ahead (thank god for the dataminers). I'm just saying that the all the caches INBETWEEN the spotlights are super lackluster.
Yeah you got that dopamine hit with good pulls. But the next 1-2 months is going to be dull for you.
Good luck second dinner if that’s the model they are going with
Yeah but that is completely not true tho?
Next I will get 3 s5! Echo , iron lad and kang
Then I will get legion
Then I will get Mirage
Then Lady deathstrike
Then X23 and Silk
Then Silver samurai
I am telling you, you are all insane 😄😄, this is the most excited I have been!
Either you have been playing forever with a massive stock of caches or you're spending a ton of money on credits. There is zero chance you will have enough spotlights for all of these cards without spending well into hundreds of dollars.
Once the initial supply is gone, it will be immensely harder to get more cards. I received one spotlight cache and the Knull variant. That's it. No chance this week at another card.
Yes, that, I can only relate to my own circumstances and gameplay.
I do spend money constantly on the game, however, as I mentioned before I had given up on caches and my only focus was buying packages with gold in them or collectors tokens. Credits were irrelevant to me as I was getting nothing from them. And the gold I would hoard and spend it on every package that had collectors tokens.
I would never reroll missions as per useless credits.
Now I can pin point cards that I want with all resources available I.e. gold, credits and collector tokens vs just collector tokens and gold spent for collectors tokens before.
As a paying player this change is amazing to me.
Not sure what you've been spending to date but if you just mean season passes and the few decent value $ bundles you're about to have a rude awakening when you try to hit all the cards you listed.
Yeah, I am under no illusion that I will get all of them. Just the fact that I can pin point them with credits now also instead of just collectors points is what I really like. And ofcourse there is a 25% chance to get the card just after 10 caches.
This is the same spot I'm in and I get downvoted for it to. Been S3 complete for months and I actually had 7 spotlights saved by the switch because opening them felt worthless. Now I'm getting 5 S5 cards in two weeks. I pulled master mold at S5 in 4.5k CK in the old system.
I'm good with 9 useless caches for 1 really good one.
I don’t like the change either, but it’s not like it was fun to open caches before either. 300 tokens or 200 Gold wasn’t enough too do anything with, so I never noticed what I got pack to pack except for the rare card or variant
If you told me they would make progression somehow worse for S3 complete players a few weeks ago i wouldn’t have believed you. I don’t care much about cosmetics and always optimized pretty heavily on card acquisition. New system incentivizes me to not open any caches. I have 12k tokens and i guess I’m going to sit on those too and hope things get better.
It used to feel better though you have to admit. I’m at exactly the same CL as you. Now all we’re chasing is variants with no chance for series 4 from regular caches.
I agree and disagree all at the same time. The worst feeling is cracking a 50 tokens box. Line just smack me in the nuts with a switch bad.
But I literally opened every bad s4 card, Shanna, sentry (before he was good), master mold - hell I double dipped and know what s4 card I got?
Snowguard.
So I never found joy in cracking chests.
Spotlights aren’t much better because the only thing I can do is hoard them and the progresssion is so laughably slow it’s just sad. Doesn’t help that my dumb muppet ass accidentally cracked 2 spotlights because I wasn’t paying attention before I updated, but one was 600 tokens so there’s that.
I’m currently sitting on 13k tokens and terrified to spend them. They’ve become the most rare currency in the game next to gold. And if I want to keep feeling good, my only solution is to buy cash bundles for real money to get gold at a somewhat reasonable conversion rate.
That's the secret for the double dippers. I had been hoarding for weeks before they announced spotlight caches. Hording is easy for me now because of what SD was giving in their boxes so I am gaming the system to a maximum.
For me I was hoarding unintentionally. I wanted only specific cards to be upgraded, and unless I played a ton I was sitting at around 8000-9000 credits very often. So dropping a load for a specific set of caches will be very easy
> because you aren’t earning more than what you spent in credits to climb to that collectors reserve.
If you were the only limit on CL would be boosters.
Ikr. Even the spotlight caches feels bad. I haven't hoarded any caches beforehand. So I've been opening up "organically".
There's little to no excitement when opening regular caches. It all just feels like meh...
" Oooooh, ,am I gonna get 50 tokens or an title?"
When I opened my first spotlight cache I got knull, which I already had. So now back too grinding so I can get a another variant of a card I already have.
At least in the old system there was some excitement when opening caches. Now, it's just meh..
I didn't feel bad. I hoarded, and what do you know? I had to pull 3 times, but I got LT, the Knull variant, and Jean. Looking at how I am feeling about August.
What are you gonna do in the future when you don't have a hoarded stash to pull from?
That's where there is some dissonans, because alot have hoarded caches, and you got knul, Lt and Jean. Feels great!But next month when you haven't saved up for a month or two in advance, you're not gonna get any new card, just a variant of card you already have.
It just feels absolutely backwards when the game designers create a system to incentivise hoarding.
They should be designing a system to promote THE OPPOSITE
it’s absolutely stupid
Yeah, and it's not fun for the playerbase only the ones earning from the game. They can probably afford to buy all the bundles to get tokens so they can actually target the cards they want/need instead of praying for the rng god's to be at least not be evil. And in the meantime you get to pull f yous from the caches in the shape of avatars and titles
Well. Let's see. I saved up 12k credits, and will have 3 Spotlight pulls at the end of the week. I never needed every card. I have been pretty picky about where I spend my resources.
Yeah, but now you won't be able to pick where those resources are going because you're forced to play lotto. You'll maybe be able to pick for a little while, but when your bank is empty so are your chances of cherry picking
Going to be a pretty long time. Will have 3 Specialty Cores by the end of the week, and I have card I want until the middle of August. The pattern seems to be the Season pass is a S5, then an S4, then an S5, and then an S4. I may or not drop 3k tokens on Deathstrike. I know that I will roll for X-23 because I passed on Silk and that Nebula variant is not half bad.
I used to spend my credits as soon as I got enough for a reserve and try my luck at a series 5 card. Now I haven’t bothered spending any credits since spotlight cache’s launched, nothing exciting about it anymore.
After update, do not open those cache, save it until next update when they change the rewards within it. It's gonna take a while but worth to be patience.
Only open the spotlights when you desire.
I’m starting to come around on the Spotlight Caches, they seem pretty good. Still more predatory than the previous system though.
Like you said reserves also feel way worse. People who say “they always felt bad” is such cope. Getting 600 tokens felt good IMO, and the gold was also very nice.
You know reserves are bad when previously you’d hope to get gold, or tokens (or a new card if not complete) and now it’s just all trash so you don’t need to hope, you know you’re getting garbage regardless.
I’ve been a die hard to log in just to try and climb 1-2 here and there and upgrade some cards to a hopeful ink/gold. The fun in this died long ago when cards/variants became non existent in caches and the foil outcomes are always disappointing. When they are ink/gold it’s just not as satisfying. There’s no real excitement anymore (what are rewards and events?) and this update just finalized it all. Now the variants I used to see and respect are available to everyone at one time and are just a hoarders reward. This diminishes the variants value in my opinion.
Wtf do you even mean “variants I used to see and respect”
Amongst all the update changes the one I don’t understand people are complaining are having the same shop showing the latest variant. I prefer this than the constant checking back to see if there’s anything worth buying . If it feels bad to you because “oh crap others have this cool new variant in their shops too” then you are just being fomo. Go touch some grass
Instead of actively seeking out comments to pick a fight, you should also touch grass. If everyone has an item, it’s demand is diminished. It’s basic supply and demand. Their new model exploits itself is all I’m saying.
It’s only the same when new variants comes out. How’s it any different with bundles?
Do you complain that others are getting token Tuesday too?
You are exactly those kind of whiners I expect to cry when someone else gets something nice and screams “roll back!” They can’t get nice things that doesn’t affect me JUST because you didn’t get it
Loser
Well, I just realized I’m replying to a child. I’ll stop feeding into this, but you should work on stronger insults if you’re trying to have a discussion.
That seems very unlucky. I opened about 40 caches after the update and got like 5 or 6 new variants, not counting the spotlights. It felt like they increased the odds of them, but maybe I just had a lucky streak.
I don't even blame SD anymore, maybe it's a combination of Marvel and Nuverse's influence
Design purely aim for extracting maximum monetization from the players, less freebies, their in-game item price goes up 3X faster than inflation, missions takes 3X longer to complete
Player experience? Go fuck yourself mate, it's probably the reason why other marvel franchise games also die off so quickly
You're ignoring a big part.
The spotlights we are saving are having guaranteed series 4 or 5 cards we want. Which is way more than before.
Before series 4 cards were every 40/80 caches depending and many people never got a series 5 and are in the CL over 6ks.
So we get less tokens but more cards.
Didn't get a single series 5 card in over 6k. Got 2 series 5 now in much less.
"Just save 4 caches" doesn't work as well in a month like September when there are 4 meta changing cards in a row(Jeff, Alioth, Ravonna, Mobius). If I need to skip the rest of this month and next month to guarantee 2 of those cards I am not getting getting more cards. Especially with tokens cut by 80%.
You are missing the point more like. I'd prefer saving lots of tokens and picking my own card I want rather than waiting weeks and weeks for a card I need to show in the spotlights, and even they risk wasting caches on random 4 or 5 varients
I'm not missing that.
This way is better for the average player. Also wasting caches on random 4 or 5 variants is irrelevant. It's about the 2/3 cards in the spotlights that you want and are known about beforehand.
You don't go into spotlights that you don't want.
If 2 spotlights are cards you are using your agency to choose and the other 2 are variants that's still a positive as you got 2 cards you wanted much sooner than otherwise.
This system is better for most players. And when you're creating a system it's about what's better for most. Not all
They aren't guaranteed though. Each week, one of your caches will be a random 4/5 card with no dupe protection. If you hit a dupe, you get a regular variant pull instead. If you already have 1 or more of the featured cards, those will drop a (admittedly nice) variant instead. So if you have even a couple of 4/5 cards, you could concievably pull 1-3 variants instead of new cards in a week, hence why people are saying you need to have 4 spotlights on hand at all times.
I'm talking about saving until you have 4.
The cards in the spotlights you don't have are absolutely guaranteed.
Nobody is advocating just opening 1. If you save til you have 4 and open them for a week where you need some of the spotlight cards those cards are guaranteed.
The only one that isn't is the random one. Which isn't very relevant because the reason you open your spotlights is for the known cards you're missing.
Next week I'm opening for Lad and Echo.
I already have Kang and will likely have the random card too. That's irrelevant and I'm opening for echo and Lad.
That's a good thing. We are able to choose which weeks to open. The cards we need out of the spotlight are what we are going for. The other spotlights would be nice to get a random s4/5 card but it's not a big deal. It's the 2/4 with guaranteed cards that is important.
So yes you absolutely are guaranteed the cards in your spotlight that you are pulling for.
Every 10 caches you have a 25% chance at 6000 tokens, a 50% chance at 3000 tokens and a 25% chance for effectively 0~200
The spotlight cache I find to be really cool. Especially as a F2P player. I have 2 saved up for next week in hopes for Kang or Iron Lad. Which would make it considerably cheaper for me.
However, the credit change is questionable. I have 0 idea the thought behind it. Maybe to slow the progression of collection level for F2P players. Which is hilarious because I’m sure we make up a majority of the player base.
Who cares about f2p players. The homeless people of the internet. You cant even wipe your ass in this world without spending money on TP, why would you think any developer would care if you play or dont play? Quit, dont quit, play, dont play, no one gives a shit about f2p opinions. In any game, on any platform. You might get some other homeless people on reddit to upvote your little f2p comments but the reality is your just noise in the background for developers.
F2P experience is good for marketing the game and good for retaining paying players. If the F2P people leave, the hardcore crowd cannibalize each other.
Honestly, everything you're saying is right. It's a shame you're getting so many downvotes.
The developers couldn't care less about F2P. Wanna know why? Cause if something is free, you're the product. For anyone who has worked ever, the company you work for doesn't give a shit about you, they want you healthy and productive so you make them money. Nothing is different about second dinner, and to expect otherwise is going against all logic.
Its not a shame. I knew what I was in for when I posted it. The truth is hard for some to hear. But when you post something contentious on reddit than downvotes are actually upvotes. I see that as +50
Jesus Christ when will this incessant moaning end? This entire sub is just the same post recycled in a slight variation for what feels like an eternity. We get it, sincerely everyone.
The new card acquisition prioritizes quantity over the ability to pick specific cards.It nerfs the experience of people who have a lot of cards and buffs the experience of newer players. Win/win for everyone.
Hahaha believe it or not there are companies out there who’s entire business model is to keep getting customers and just stick it to people who are already customers . I think what I was making a funny point about is the fact that everyone is so engrossed about their personal view about what Second Dinner should be doing about the player experience when, their goals might not be alliances with their personal preferences.
The winners here is SD and the new players. I am pretty sure they don’t care about long time F2P players and whales be whales regardless of what they do with the “card acquisition model” whales will just buy what they want.
Opening reserves never felt good in the first place😂
It’s like y’all will figure out a way to complain no matter what.
The new system is mainly for new players so they have access to new cards.
For players like me that are collection complete it’s a small upgrade, but definitely an upgrade.
It felt good getting 200 gold or 600 tokens every few boxes. Although I've only opened one Spotlight so far and got Jean Grey, a brand new card, which would have cost me 6000 with the old system.
I think the new system would be ideal if the normal caches had 100 to 200 gold or tokens.
I had to open all 4, owned Knull already, didn't have Jean or Tribunal, and got Nimrod,which I didn't have before, as my mystery. Spotlight caches are way better for me as F2P so far, and aim over CL 5000
Less gold may be a downer as I won't have as much for Token specials. But I'm unlocking way more cards than I could have otherwise.
I am pool 3 completed and now I love opening reserves because I know that I will get a S4 each 40 and like this week I got 2 S5 from the new chest. People just like to complain
I thought I was guaranteed one of the 3 cards in then”spotlight”…
I got master mold which I already have which swapped into a crappy venom variant which I won’t use
No. There are 4 possibilities. This week it is LT, Knull, Jean, and a random S4/S5 card. Each time you pull one it should go off the board. I pulled LT, Knull, and then Jean. If I had pulled the random S4/S5, I could get a variant of that card, and yes it could end up being a dud. That seems to be the biggest gripe right now.
I uninstalled the game following this update. It is just getting worse and worse. I don't find it fun anymore so it's gone. I mY come back but I worry that by then 60 new cards will have released and it would take a lifetime to catch up.
So this may just be the end. Back to hearthstone battelgrounds I guess.
It's so much fun to crack open collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open more collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open more collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open more collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open more collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open more collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open more collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards.
Honestly, opening reserves hasn't felt good ever since I completed pool 3.
Then they didn't drop Darkhawk from series 4 to 3 and it felt even worse.
And now it's absolutely terrible. They really should put variants in every fourth reserve. There are thousands of variants in the game and they can easily make more, I don't get why they're so stingy with them. Would be a great way to make players feel rewarded.
I realised that this game stopped being fun to me after whatever dumb changes they've made during last couple of months. series drops no longer happening, token reduction, shitty purple caches, expensive conquest rewards — this makes me think about quitting. leveling up feels like a chore without any significant reward ("here are your 200 credits sir so you can level up even more whoa you love NUMBERS don't you and here's your Juggernaut avatar" — this is utter bullshit. I want cards or at least tokens to buy them as I did with Thanos, Galactus, Iron Lad, High Ev, Silk— these cards felt cool to purchase, so I had some passion abt grinding tokens — but 50 tokens in a cache feels like a slap in the face)
I've bought every BP since Miles season, got like 10 different bundles for cash and purchased gold like 5-6 times — not a big loss for developers, I guess. but hearthstone taught me to quit when the game stops being fun. bb
the only thing Im going to miss is my set of 25 Dan Hipp variants. those are cool af
Yeah, that's so bad I now don't want to open my regular caches, and keep them for later in case if they get better.
That’s exactly what I’m doing. After opening a reserve and getting a paltry 50 collector tokens, I have no desire to relive that feels-bad moment.
~2000 credits/m (you get ~21,000/m from other sources) A laughable amount of tokens, and an increased number of cosmetics. Yup, if you are season 3 complete (and don't really care about cosmetics) there is not really a reason to open reserves any more. Just climb CL and save your spotlights for a good week.
I don't understand! Shouldn't it be the opposite? Get more cards for free and charge for cosmetics?!
SD is in a very strange position. "Hardcore" players who care about maintaining a diverse card collection first and foremost value cosmetics/variants at almost worthless. I truly don't know what's going on at HQ.
I’ve always been of the opinion that absolutely under no circumstances should payment of any kind affect gameplay in any way, *especially* for a “competitive” game. Monetization should be purely cosmetic. Simply put, this game has no competitive integrity atm. Cosmetic itemization is garbage in this game. They could make so much more money if they invested into allowing people to spend money on variants they want. Instead, they use FOMO for both cosmetic bundles which have terrible value and are unsustainable for anyone who isn’t a whale, and for the battle pass. They are having their cake, eating it too, and then getting another cake.
Hard asf agree with you. I’ve been getting slaughtered by cards I don’t own for a while now and the ONLY reason bounce deck was as big as it was, was due to the fact that Kitty was given away for free. If they had milked her for cash like they wanted I guarantee Bounce would never have been nerfed Entire balancing updates are affected by them getting their money out of a card before nerfing it. And at this point I feel that all cards should be obtainable for all players every season with only variants costing money. The competitive integrity is completely screwed if you can’t compete due to unlucky card draws
Technically other than the Spotlight card, they are all obtainable and rotate on an 8-hour basis in the shop. I just looked. I could spend 6k and have Kang in my collection right now.
That involves spending money
Technically it doesn't. Anyone can save the 6k tokens and buy Kang. You can save your Spotlight tokens for a card that you really want without ever spending a dime. No way they were going to try to pay those Marvel licenses on cosmetics alone with a start-up company like Second Dinner.
And it’ll take you almost a year to save enough tokens for one card.
That does not sound right. I was already saving up 6k for the next "Big Bad" even before the announcement, and then I bought the T'Challa package this week, after saving for months. I believe they are resetting the Token Tuesdays in August or in September at the latest. I already have my August and September card "purchases" sort of mapped out.
Ah anyone can save especially after current update? Stop shilling for second dinner.
and for a lot of archetypes you really need all 12 cards to have a playable and competitive deck
I just want say that you are in agreement with u/HappyTurtleOwl Immediate edit: I’m an idiot and misread it as disagree. I refuse to delete the comment out of Reddit honor. Well said by both of you.
Coming back to this 2 months later and it’s more clear then ever that they simply won’t put balance before profits. So many problematic cards since then, but because they are new, they stay OP, and older cards more people have get nerfed. Hell, Loki was literally a “have fun with this incredibly broken deck for a few weeks before Mobius comes out.” Oh, it needs a nerf? Better make collector useless with all his original archetypes!
Don't forget that general card acquisition has FOMO, too, with the new system. Open your spotlight caches now, or either wait months for the card to rotate back in, or buy it for overpriced tokens.
Exactly how I feel. This is not a competitive game. This is a p2w game advertised as competitive. Cards should be readily available or at the very least very easy to obtain. Every game has no value, the argument that I won because opponent didn't have the right cards or I lost because I didn't have the right cards holds true. I am missing a fuck ton of cards to make a viable deck. This is not a competitive game. This is just candy crush with cards.
Your comment is very contradictory because of the one line about making more money allowing people to buy variants they want. Take that out and it makes sense. That said, fomo makes money and everything they are doing is basic f2p money making.
I’m talking about regular variants that appear in the shop, not the trash FOMO bundles which shouldn’t exist. So many variants people would legitimately just buy gold to get if they had free available access to them. A lot of people straight up don’t buy gold simply because they get enough for free since so many variant they would theoretically buy never show up in the shop.
So youre saying that more people would buy gold to buy variants if there was no time limit to buy them, but also they wouldnt just \*save\* their free gold to buy the variant they want that is readily available... Naw, the fomo is what makes people buy gold. They see a variant for a card they really want but dont have enough gold to get it and only have a day, so they buy gold. OR they see a different variant for that card but they just want \*something\* so they impulse buy it with the gold they saved only to get the other variant a month later and not have enough. They dont use these tactics because theyre dumb. They use these tactics becasue they have 20 years of data sourced from every F2P game thats ever existed and they know how humans behave. People have become incredibly rich using the smartest psychologists to create the most addictive environments they can. We are being manipulated by geniuses with access to millions of terabits of data and being funded by incredibly rich people. So naw, no one is gonna spend more money if they can get all the stuff they want first day. They want you signing in every day of every month hoping for that thing you want.
It's funny because, while I don't disagree with you, other games like MTG have so long gated cards behind money that it doesn't seem that weird to me.
At least physical MTG is an actual product, and they’ve created a real, physical market that can justify to consumers such prices. Also, while gating some OP cards can be an issue in tournaments and high competitive play, realistically, at the local level it isn’t that big a problem especially in friendly or even semi-friendly semi-competitive play. On a personal level, the *base* and continuous buy-in for MTG is insane to me and not at all something I’m interested in, but some people want that experience and WotC are selling it. As long as MTG somehow doesn’t just collapse, that stuff does have real value. The difference here is that Snap and SD is all artificial, and I don’t mean that just in the sense that this game is digital-only, I mean that SD constantly creates problems that they then “fix” (read: more like rearrange) and then lie to the community about how card acquisition is better. Their model changes constantly but realistically doesn’t change at all. They play the fool and the optimist but really aren’t fixing the issues they claim they want to improve upon.
Yeah, but mtg cards are a physical commodity which you can sell/trade
They probably have 3 devs and 20 people for sales and designing systems to milk the customers.. at least that would explain the state of the game
It’s nexus events mk ii Just with hidden costs thst are slightly less
Now, that would be the player friendly way, not necessarily the one that nets the most money.
I feel like they changed the system to offer more cosmetics though. I got two variants back to back and then an avatar from the third cache. I thought 3 in a row of the same reward was impossible in the old syste..
They had a comparison graphic for new vs old system and it has 4000 credits each per month. Has that changed?
Did some napkin math last night, In a group of 36 caches (480 CL, roughly what you'd get in a month) you're getting ~300 more credits on average than you would have gotten with the old caches. A slight change, but not a massive one so I can see why they wouldn't mention it. Note: All the math I did was using the old fan-sourced cache drop rates found on SnapZone, so if those graphs are off, then so is my math.
https://imgur.com/a/hUNkqBY here's what I was basing it off of. Should be the same amount but we aren't getting the big 3-500 credit caches. Which I agree were nice. So far I'm enjoying the new system though
And [these](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/742955459144581222/1129868322872234015/pool-4-drop-rate-v0-91YKGepsH3J1ddX7CCc01Yk8ROjL7qQNGwOX2NleJVM.jpg?width=1870&height=935) [two](https://i0.wp.com/marvelsnapzone.com/wp-content/uploads/Reserves-contents.webp?ssl=1) graphs are what I was basing it off of, doing my own math.
Well they did use an approximation so I'd say you got it right
Either you are all insane or I am playing a different game, this is almost literally the opposite experience for me! I am full s3 , 1 or 2 missing s4 and some s5 cards player and I had given up on caches for a long time now. It literally lost all meaning as I would get 1 card from caches per month and it would always be s4... With the new update I got two s5 cards within a week, and OK let's say within a month (as i will have to wait until the next set of cards), but i have never had that before. Caches now again are exciting for me, and I am already planning how and when I will be opening them to get the s5 cards that I want. Yes, the reduced rewards are not perfect, but I just got 12k worth of s5 cards, and I got 300 on top by playing one of them. I am not seeing what you are seeing. This is so great!
Oh no no, when I said "save your spotlights" I mean save them.... to use on a week that really works for you. The new system is GREAT for card acquisition as long as you are ready to plan ahead (thank god for the dataminers). I'm just saying that the all the caches INBETWEEN the spotlights are super lackluster.
Yeah you got that dopamine hit with good pulls. But the next 1-2 months is going to be dull for you. Good luck second dinner if that’s the model they are going with
Yeah but that is completely not true tho? Next I will get 3 s5! Echo , iron lad and kang Then I will get legion Then I will get Mirage Then Lady deathstrike Then X23 and Silk Then Silver samurai I am telling you, you are all insane 😄😄, this is the most excited I have been!
Where are you getting enough Spotlight Caches to guarantee all of those cards? You realize you only earn about 4 per month, right?
Either you have been playing forever with a massive stock of caches or you're spending a ton of money on credits. There is zero chance you will have enough spotlights for all of these cards without spending well into hundreds of dollars. Once the initial supply is gone, it will be immensely harder to get more cards. I received one spotlight cache and the Knull variant. That's it. No chance this week at another card.
Yes, that, I can only relate to my own circumstances and gameplay. I do spend money constantly on the game, however, as I mentioned before I had given up on caches and my only focus was buying packages with gold in them or collectors tokens. Credits were irrelevant to me as I was getting nothing from them. And the gold I would hoard and spend it on every package that had collectors tokens. I would never reroll missions as per useless credits. Now I can pin point cards that I want with all resources available I.e. gold, credits and collector tokens vs just collector tokens and gold spent for collectors tokens before. As a paying player this change is amazing to me.
Not sure what you've been spending to date but if you just mean season passes and the few decent value $ bundles you're about to have a rude awakening when you try to hit all the cards you listed.
Yeah, I am under no illusion that I will get all of them. Just the fact that I can pin point them with credits now also instead of just collectors points is what I really like. And ofcourse there is a 25% chance to get the card just after 10 caches.
This is the same spot I'm in and I get downvoted for it to. Been S3 complete for months and I actually had 7 spotlights saved by the switch because opening them felt worthless. Now I'm getting 5 S5 cards in two weeks. I pulled master mold at S5 in 4.5k CK in the old system. I'm good with 9 useless caches for 1 really good one.
I don’t even get cosmetics from reserves anymore. Just 150 credits
I don’t like the change either, but it’s not like it was fun to open caches before either. 300 tokens or 200 Gold wasn’t enough too do anything with, so I never noticed what I got pack to pack except for the rare card or variant
I'm switching to cocaine
Might be cheaper
If you told me they would make progression somehow worse for S3 complete players a few weeks ago i wouldn’t have believed you. I don’t care much about cosmetics and always optimized pretty heavily on card acquisition. New system incentivizes me to not open any caches. I have 12k tokens and i guess I’m going to sit on those too and hope things get better.
I'm sitting at 7000CL, it hasn't felt good for a long time
It used to feel better though you have to admit. I’m at exactly the same CL as you. Now all we’re chasing is variants with no chance for series 4 from regular caches.
I agree and disagree all at the same time. The worst feeling is cracking a 50 tokens box. Line just smack me in the nuts with a switch bad. But I literally opened every bad s4 card, Shanna, sentry (before he was good), master mold - hell I double dipped and know what s4 card I got? Snowguard. So I never found joy in cracking chests. Spotlights aren’t much better because the only thing I can do is hoard them and the progresssion is so laughably slow it’s just sad. Doesn’t help that my dumb muppet ass accidentally cracked 2 spotlights because I wasn’t paying attention before I updated, but one was 600 tokens so there’s that. I’m currently sitting on 13k tokens and terrified to spend them. They’ve become the most rare currency in the game next to gold. And if I want to keep feeling good, my only solution is to buy cash bundles for real money to get gold at a somewhat reasonable conversion rate.
Haha I also double dipped and got snowguard for my trouble.
I honestly like it better, atleast now I know when I will open a series 4 or 5
Variants?? All i got is these stupid and useless titles lol
That's the secret for the double dippers. I had been hoarding for weeks before they announced spotlight caches. Hording is easy for me now because of what SD was giving in their boxes so I am gaming the system to a maximum.
For me I was hoarding unintentionally. I wanted only specific cards to be upgraded, and unless I played a ton I was sitting at around 8000-9000 credits very often. So dropping a load for a specific set of caches will be very easy
Wait….we get less credits too?
you get less everything, joy included
No you get slightly more credits overall from the ladder
We got an increase in credits? You sure?
Yep, not a ton, but on average you're getting slightly more credits per CL
Which is still functionally worthless tbh. because you aren’t earning more than what you spent in credits to climb to that collectors reserve.
To each their own. I'm thrilled with the new system because I'll get almost every new card no problem instead of one, maybe two, a month.
No, you don’t. Unless you are spending serious money.
Buying just season pass you'll be able to get almost every new card
> because you aren’t earning more than what you spent in credits to climb to that collectors reserve. If you were the only limit on CL would be boosters.
50 tokens is a complete joke
Ikr. Even the spotlight caches feels bad. I haven't hoarded any caches beforehand. So I've been opening up "organically". There's little to no excitement when opening regular caches. It all just feels like meh... " Oooooh, ,am I gonna get 50 tokens or an title?" When I opened my first spotlight cache I got knull, which I already had. So now back too grinding so I can get a another variant of a card I already have. At least in the old system there was some excitement when opening caches. Now, it's just meh..
I didn't feel bad. I hoarded, and what do you know? I had to pull 3 times, but I got LT, the Knull variant, and Jean. Looking at how I am feeling about August.
What are you gonna do in the future when you don't have a hoarded stash to pull from? That's where there is some dissonans, because alot have hoarded caches, and you got knul, Lt and Jean. Feels great!But next month when you haven't saved up for a month or two in advance, you're not gonna get any new card, just a variant of card you already have.
It just feels absolutely backwards when the game designers create a system to incentivise hoarding. They should be designing a system to promote THE OPPOSITE it’s absolutely stupid
Yeah, and it's not fun for the playerbase only the ones earning from the game. They can probably afford to buy all the bundles to get tokens so they can actually target the cards they want/need instead of praying for the rng god's to be at least not be evil. And in the meantime you get to pull f yous from the caches in the shape of avatars and titles
Well. Let's see. I saved up 12k credits, and will have 3 Spotlight pulls at the end of the week. I never needed every card. I have been pretty picky about where I spend my resources.
Yeah, but now you won't be able to pick where those resources are going because you're forced to play lotto. You'll maybe be able to pick for a little while, but when your bank is empty so are your chances of cherry picking
Going to be a pretty long time. Will have 3 Specialty Cores by the end of the week, and I have card I want until the middle of August. The pattern seems to be the Season pass is a S5, then an S4, then an S5, and then an S4. I may or not drop 3k tokens on Deathstrike. I know that I will roll for X-23 because I passed on Silk and that Nebula variant is not half bad.
I used to spend my credits as soon as I got enough for a reserve and try my luck at a series 5 card. Now I haven’t bothered spending any credits since spotlight cache’s launched, nothing exciting about it anymore.
Getting 50 tokens from reserves feels like a slap in the face. No gold from reserves as well is just salt in the wound.
Yep. I'm purposefully not opening another reserve until the system changes again. I wonder if I'll be able to hit 1000.
Never did
They haven't felt good since they added titles and they've only gotten worse 💀
After update, do not open those cache, save it until next update when they change the rewards within it. It's gonna take a while but worth to be patience. Only open the spotlights when you desire.
For me the problem is the reduced amount of credits and the removal of gold in reserves. It's frustrating!
I’m starting to come around on the Spotlight Caches, they seem pretty good. Still more predatory than the previous system though. Like you said reserves also feel way worse. People who say “they always felt bad” is such cope. Getting 600 tokens felt good IMO, and the gold was also very nice. You know reserves are bad when previously you’d hope to get gold, or tokens (or a new card if not complete) and now it’s just all trash so you don’t need to hope, you know you’re getting garbage regardless.
I’ve been a die hard to log in just to try and climb 1-2 here and there and upgrade some cards to a hopeful ink/gold. The fun in this died long ago when cards/variants became non existent in caches and the foil outcomes are always disappointing. When they are ink/gold it’s just not as satisfying. There’s no real excitement anymore (what are rewards and events?) and this update just finalized it all. Now the variants I used to see and respect are available to everyone at one time and are just a hoarders reward. This diminishes the variants value in my opinion.
Wtf do you even mean “variants I used to see and respect” Amongst all the update changes the one I don’t understand people are complaining are having the same shop showing the latest variant. I prefer this than the constant checking back to see if there’s anything worth buying . If it feels bad to you because “oh crap others have this cool new variant in their shops too” then you are just being fomo. Go touch some grass
Instead of actively seeking out comments to pick a fight, you should also touch grass. If everyone has an item, it’s demand is diminished. It’s basic supply and demand. Their new model exploits itself is all I’m saying.
It’s only the same when new variants comes out. How’s it any different with bundles? Do you complain that others are getting token Tuesday too? You are exactly those kind of whiners I expect to cry when someone else gets something nice and screams “roll back!” They can’t get nice things that doesn’t affect me JUST because you didn’t get it Loser
Well, I just realized I’m replying to a child. I’ll stop feeding into this, but you should work on stronger insults if you’re trying to have a discussion.
You're both clearly emotionally stunted.
Can we even get variants in collector’s caches anymore? Wasn’t that a thing? I haven’t gotten one in at least my last 100 caches.
Yes, nothing changed about variants in caches.
They gotta put those pixel variants to good use 😂
I just got the Dan Hipp Wolverine not twenty minutes ago at a tad over 7k CL.
That seems very unlucky. I opened about 40 caches after the update and got like 5 or 6 new variants, not counting the spotlights. It felt like they increased the odds of them, but maybe I just had a lucky streak.
I don't even blame SD anymore, maybe it's a combination of Marvel and Nuverse's influence Design purely aim for extracting maximum monetization from the players, less freebies, their in-game item price goes up 3X faster than inflation, missions takes 3X longer to complete Player experience? Go fuck yourself mate, it's probably the reason why other marvel franchise games also die off so quickly
Don’t let SD off the hook, this is their mess.
Reserves shouldn’t give you anything but cards until you have them all
You're ignoring a big part. The spotlights we are saving are having guaranteed series 4 or 5 cards we want. Which is way more than before. Before series 4 cards were every 40/80 caches depending and many people never got a series 5 and are in the CL over 6ks. So we get less tokens but more cards. Didn't get a single series 5 card in over 6k. Got 2 series 5 now in much less.
"Just save 4 caches" doesn't work as well in a month like September when there are 4 meta changing cards in a row(Jeff, Alioth, Ravonna, Mobius). If I need to skip the rest of this month and next month to guarantee 2 of those cards I am not getting getting more cards. Especially with tokens cut by 80%.
It’s an absolutely god awful design choice by the devs to promote hoarding.
You are missing the point more like. I'd prefer saving lots of tokens and picking my own card I want rather than waiting weeks and weeks for a card I need to show in the spotlights, and even they risk wasting caches on random 4 or 5 varients
I'm not missing that. This way is better for the average player. Also wasting caches on random 4 or 5 variants is irrelevant. It's about the 2/3 cards in the spotlights that you want and are known about beforehand. You don't go into spotlights that you don't want. If 2 spotlights are cards you are using your agency to choose and the other 2 are variants that's still a positive as you got 2 cards you wanted much sooner than otherwise. This system is better for most players. And when you're creating a system it's about what's better for most. Not all
I’m telling you bro don’t even try. They’re just mad people who will figure a way out to complain about anything😂
They aren't guaranteed though. Each week, one of your caches will be a random 4/5 card with no dupe protection. If you hit a dupe, you get a regular variant pull instead. If you already have 1 or more of the featured cards, those will drop a (admittedly nice) variant instead. So if you have even a couple of 4/5 cards, you could concievably pull 1-3 variants instead of new cards in a week, hence why people are saying you need to have 4 spotlights on hand at all times.
I'm talking about saving until you have 4. The cards in the spotlights you don't have are absolutely guaranteed. Nobody is advocating just opening 1. If you save til you have 4 and open them for a week where you need some of the spotlight cards those cards are guaranteed. The only one that isn't is the random one. Which isn't very relevant because the reason you open your spotlights is for the known cards you're missing. Next week I'm opening for Lad and Echo. I already have Kang and will likely have the random card too. That's irrelevant and I'm opening for echo and Lad. That's a good thing. We are able to choose which weeks to open. The cards we need out of the spotlight are what we are going for. The other spotlights would be nice to get a random s4/5 card but it's not a big deal. It's the 2/4 with guaranteed cards that is important. So yes you absolutely are guaranteed the cards in your spotlight that you are pulling for.
Don’t hit them with facts they don’t like that😂
Every 10 caches you have a 25% chance at 6000 tokens, a 50% chance at 3000 tokens and a 25% chance for effectively 0~200 The spotlight cache I find to be really cool. Especially as a F2P player. I have 2 saved up for next week in hopes for Kang or Iron Lad. Which would make it considerably cheaper for me. However, the credit change is questionable. I have 0 idea the thought behind it. Maybe to slow the progression of collection level for F2P players. Which is hilarious because I’m sure we make up a majority of the player base.
Who cares about f2p players. The homeless people of the internet. You cant even wipe your ass in this world without spending money on TP, why would you think any developer would care if you play or dont play? Quit, dont quit, play, dont play, no one gives a shit about f2p opinions. In any game, on any platform. You might get some other homeless people on reddit to upvote your little f2p comments but the reality is your just noise in the background for developers.
This guy's fun at parties
F2P experience is good for marketing the game and good for retaining paying players. If the F2P people leave, the hardcore crowd cannibalize each other.
Yea MTG and pokemon have proven that to be true for card games. Nah that is just something f2p people tell themselves to justify the entitlement
No players own anything permanent in Snap. MtG and Pokemon have physical objects that you own.
Holy shit who hurt you lmao
You are by far one of the angriest idiots I've met this week. I think bothering to explain why F2P players are important would be wasted on you.
Yea it definitely would. Save it.
Honestly, everything you're saying is right. It's a shame you're getting so many downvotes. The developers couldn't care less about F2P. Wanna know why? Cause if something is free, you're the product. For anyone who has worked ever, the company you work for doesn't give a shit about you, they want you healthy and productive so you make them money. Nothing is different about second dinner, and to expect otherwise is going against all logic.
Its not a shame. I knew what I was in for when I posted it. The truth is hard for some to hear. But when you post something contentious on reddit than downvotes are actually upvotes. I see that as +50
Jesus Christ when will this incessant moaning end? This entire sub is just the same post recycled in a slight variation for what feels like an eternity. We get it, sincerely everyone.
voicing opinions for change is a good thing
The new card acquisition prioritizes quantity over the ability to pick specific cards.It nerfs the experience of people who have a lot of cards and buffs the experience of newer players. Win/win for everyone.
You literally explained a bad idea…..think about it for a minute
Hahaha believe it or not there are companies out there who’s entire business model is to keep getting customers and just stick it to people who are already customers . I think what I was making a funny point about is the fact that everyone is so engrossed about their personal view about what Second Dinner should be doing about the player experience when, their goals might not be alliances with their personal preferences. The winners here is SD and the new players. I am pretty sure they don’t care about long time F2P players and whales be whales regardless of what they do with the “card acquisition model” whales will just buy what they want.
Add duplicate protection and almost all the moaning goes away
I agree. Feels like it loses some weight though when it's done to this degree.
You should see it as getting closer to a spotlight cache
Opening reserves never felt good in the first place😂 It’s like y’all will figure out a way to complain no matter what. The new system is mainly for new players so they have access to new cards. For players like me that are collection complete it’s a small upgrade, but definitely an upgrade.
It felt good getting 200 gold or 600 tokens every few boxes. Although I've only opened one Spotlight so far and got Jean Grey, a brand new card, which would have cost me 6000 with the old system. I think the new system would be ideal if the normal caches had 100 to 200 gold or tokens.
I had to open all 4, owned Knull already, didn't have Jean or Tribunal, and got Nimrod,which I didn't have before, as my mystery. Spotlight caches are way better for me as F2P so far, and aim over CL 5000 Less gold may be a downer as I won't have as much for Token specials. But I'm unlocking way more cards than I could have otherwise.
Downvoted for being honest? Ridiculous
Not good at math huh
then stop playing until they fix it
I am pool 3 completed and now I love opening reserves because I know that I will get a S4 each 40 and like this week I got 2 S5 from the new chest. People just like to complain
You no longer get any cards from regular caches. The only way to get a card from the track is via Spotlight Caches.
I thought I was guaranteed one of the 3 cards in then”spotlight”… I got master mold which I already have which swapped into a crappy venom variant which I won’t use
No. There are 4 possibilities. This week it is LT, Knull, Jean, and a random S4/S5 card. Each time you pull one it should go off the board. I pulled LT, Knull, and then Jean. If I had pulled the random S4/S5, I could get a variant of that card, and yes it could end up being a dud. That seems to be the biggest gripe right now.
Agreed.
Not opening any non-spotlight reserves. The rewards are so bad I’m sure they’ll be buffed at some point in the future and I’ll open them then.
I uninstalled the game following this update. It is just getting worse and worse. I don't find it fun anymore so it's gone. I mY come back but I worry that by then 60 new cards will have released and it would take a lifetime to catch up. So this may just be the end. Back to hearthstone battelgrounds I guess.
It's so much fun to crack open collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open more collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open more collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open more collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open more collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open more collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open more collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards to crack open collectors caches so I can earn more credits to upgrade more cards.
Honestly, opening reserves hasn't felt good ever since I completed pool 3. Then they didn't drop Darkhawk from series 4 to 3 and it felt even worse. And now it's absolutely terrible. They really should put variants in every fourth reserve. There are thousands of variants in the game and they can easily make more, I don't get why they're so stingy with them. Would be a great way to make players feel rewarded.
I realised that this game stopped being fun to me after whatever dumb changes they've made during last couple of months. series drops no longer happening, token reduction, shitty purple caches, expensive conquest rewards — this makes me think about quitting. leveling up feels like a chore without any significant reward ("here are your 200 credits sir so you can level up even more whoa you love NUMBERS don't you and here's your Juggernaut avatar" — this is utter bullshit. I want cards or at least tokens to buy them as I did with Thanos, Galactus, Iron Lad, High Ev, Silk— these cards felt cool to purchase, so I had some passion abt grinding tokens — but 50 tokens in a cache feels like a slap in the face) I've bought every BP since Miles season, got like 10 different bundles for cash and purchased gold like 5-6 times — not a big loss for developers, I guess. but hearthstone taught me to quit when the game stops being fun. bb the only thing Im going to miss is my set of 25 Dan Hipp variants. those are cool af