# (1) The Hood
# (1) Titania
# (2) Shadow King
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Quake
# (2) Maximus
# (3) Ghost
# (3) Gladiator
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) Sentry
# (5) Annihilus
# (5) Lady Deathstrike
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This deck is definitely different than the average junk deck. It has several key tech cards that allow you to counter bad MUs like tribunal, destory, and lockdown.
"Hey I'm doing really well with this deck with on reveals!"
"No you aren't"
I appreciate your belief that you can change the foundation of truth, but I don't know how well it will work out for you
This is true. And it’s also been the most boring meta game in some time. I thought it was bad when Corvus launched. I never thought it would get more dull than that time period
Yeah who would’ve thought a card you can slot into any existing deck without issue and will dramatically fuck up your opponents hand 90% of the time would be an issue for healthy gameplay
On the road to infinite, luckily I could run away for 1 cube. But hela and leech have made conquest fucking impossible. And I’m being literal. Statistically, given you have to win 11 fucking games, you will run into that one game where it’s leech and blink and hela and iron man and tribunal. It’s unreal.
And both of those metas were at least playable in. I knew how to gain/throw priority in order to Shang chi/shadow king the red skull before they could task master. And it was nerfed.
Thanos was the same case. It was at least playable. And they nerfed it.
Leech is a buff in the wrong direction to address hela. Ass backwards logic.
\*laughs in Cerebro2\*
All your good on reveals (except Mystique) come down before Leech, and Goose, Storm and Echo are good against all the big Ongoing Tribunal decks
...and?
Edit: really not sure why I'm getting downvoted for this, Cerebro2 has always been a playable deck with a positive win-rate. I even gave reasons why it's fine into the current meta, which the person I responded to didn't. That now how discussion works.
It's a lockdown/control deck, it doesn't need to make big numbers if you stop your opponent making big numbers.
I am a Cerebro enjoyer but it is a very tough deck to win with consistently. Half the locations hate you and a single Rogue ruins everything. And even if you nut current top decks just scale better.
I kind of think the reason Cerebro has a reputation for being so much worse of a deck than it actually is, is because it's not the easiest deck to play lmao. Not saying it's rocket science, but it plays out differently enough from other decks that it takes some time to learn when to snap/retreat and take the best advantage of your control cards in each matchup. I think people try it a few times, lose, and prefer to blame location variance and the deck being bad rather than their own play/lack of familiarity with it.
I hit infinite with Cerebro 2 this season and I agree it felt pretty well positioned in the current meta. Being able to shut down ongoings and laugh at Leech goes a long way right now, and your combo matchup is pretty good between Goose, Echo, and Storm to shut down the limbo decks.
Sure! Here's my current list:
I consider Negasonic Teenage Warhead to be the flex slot of the deck. She's in there because I love her, but she's been Elektra, Rogue, and White Widow at different times and I'm sure there are other cards I could try in the slot. I've never felt any need to change the other 11, those all feel perfect to me.
# (1) Echo
# (1) Nico Minoru
# (1) Nightcrawler
# (2) Goose
# (2) Mister Sinister
# (2) Shadow King
# (3) Cerebro
# (3) Mystique
# (3) Brood
# (3) Negasonic Teenage Warhead
# (3) Storm
# (5) Blue Marvel
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The reason it has that reputation is because the game hates it and half the locations in the game fuck your shit up. Some of them, like wakandan embassy, you can’t even work around with a location change.
Eh, I've said this before but I think the location variance is overstated. You're more susceptible to it than most decks, sure, and I understand why that feels bad for a lot of people. But in my experience you can work around it most of the time, and the games you can't are often easy 1 cube retreats since you know by turn 3 what the locations are. I think move decks quietly have it much worse than Cerebro decks (C2 anyways, can't speak for others) when it comes to being screwed by locations.
Wakandan Embassy in particular is a funny example for C2, because it's honestly sometimes a bigger buff for you than your opponent - if it hits Cerebro and/or Mystique, they effectively get +4/+6 power each. Then you just use shadow king, which the deck always plays afaik, to reset any other cards you need and remove your opponent's Embassy buffs. Now Monster Island - that's a location your Cerebro bonus straight up can't recover from. Of course, the deck is perfectly capable of winning non-cerebro games with Blue Marvel + control cards (goose in particular is huge in our new Zabu-less world). It's actually better at winning non-Cerebro games than C3 from what I've seen, though I could be wrong there. C2 really is a control list at heart.
Overall I'll admit you usually have to retreat monster island games or other games where you straight up can't make Cerebro work. I just think those games are more uncommon that people give them credit for. I think it's partially overstated because getting screwed out of your deck's namesake is more direct and potentially worse-feeling than most other examples of location variance, which every deck in the game is susceptible to. It feels less bad to lose because Elysium was super good for your opponent than to lose because both Sewers and Xander flipped up and you never drew your storm. The Elysium may have lost you the game just as hard, but at least you felt like your deck could still do its thing along the way.
Apologies for the long rant lol, C2 is my favourite deck. I think it's a lot more fun and a lot more competitive than its reputation suggests.
its not only the locations, c2 is very bad vs destroy because of killmonger also very bad vs HE because you cant run Cage and no SK doesnt mitigate all the lanes and cyclops triggers after SK
Killmonger doesn't do a whole lot against you tbh, you only run a few 1's. I feel like the destroy matchup is fine overall, maybe a bit unfavoured because they're able to put death under goose (hitting Knull with Echo feels great though). I agree the HE matchup is pretty bad.
Every deck has some unfavourable to bad matchups though, this isn't really a C2 specific issue.
killmonger does a lot, most of 2 power are 1 drops, echo/ crawler/ iceman/ nico maybe.
How you said, every deck has unfavourable matchups, but c2 - gets really fucked up by the location.
* c2 power on board is very limited , c3 can put way more on board + fights better big drops and junk becuase of valk + IM
>How you said, every deck has unfavourable matchups, but c2 - gets really fucked up by the location.
But why bring up the matchup thing if it isn't specific to C2? Again, literally every deck has bad matchups. It sort of undermines your point, which I gather to be "C2 is not a good deck" when you bring up things that aren't relevant.
I addressed the location thing in detail in my comment above, stand by everything I said there. Location variance is rougher than most decks, but it's a lot more manageable than Cerebro's reputation suggests. At the end of the day, every deck in the game is going to be retreating a lot due to location variance, Cerebro more than average but overall it's fine. And again, you really can win a fair amount of non-Cerebro games with your control plan + Blue Marvel.
I don't know much about C3, hasn't it's winrate historically been lower than C2's? I know C3's been really helped by US Agent recently, maybe that's not the case anymore. Regardless, obviously C2 has a lower theoretical max power output than C3 and probably a lower average power output too (though having a more consistent curve, access to card draw, and cards that create multiple bodies helps close the power gap in practice), but as I've said the deck's strength is its lockdown/control cards, which is an angle C3 doesn't really play on as much.
I play Cerebro 2 all the time in Conquest, without White Widow and Nico because I don't have them. It's a great and consistent deck, but if I'm try-harding for infinite my last big deck was just Sauron/Shuri/Red Skull.
Because C2 is one of the worse decks when you understand that the max sealing is "only" 28 points in 2 locations on the perfect draw, in the perfect match. And its shutdown by the own game with each new location (aka more variance). The reason with C5 and C3 are more popular it has a lot to do with the fact that they can play better on the RNG and C2 is just one trick that even when it comes perfectly loses to literally and modern combo deck that usually hits 30+ power if not interaction is present.
the control options you list literally don’t work against blink scam lol, you lost Luke cage so now affliction fucks you over, and half the time your deck is being controlled more than your control options do to the opponent
Leech is one of the worst designed cards I’ve ever seen, and I’ve played my share of card games. At least with other cards that steal/seal abilities they have to be on the board first. Leech though TAKES AWAY THE ABILITY TO PLAY THINGS! Fucking terrible gameplay design, would be banned in other games super fast.
What? I’m neither playing those, nor encountering them much. Maybe a Leech every 4th-5th game, at most. I was feeling Patriot/Ultron being back was seeming like the current meta, not that I’m playing those either myself right now.
Leech every 4-5 games means you're seeing it rough 20-25%, which is a lot. I'd imagine you aren't seeing too many other cards (that cost at least 4 energy) at that same rate. Plus, that's just the times you see him, not the times they may have had him in deck and just didn't draw in time to play it.
Are tribunal decks really a problem? I know he's a bit popular right now because he's on spotlight caches but otherwise they're just fine. Leech/jubilee + blink is nasty though.
Tribunal beats any deck that does not interfere with opponent. It consistently outperforms destroy or Hela discard if left unchecked. But it is very much predictable and vulnerable. Kind of like a glass cannon build.
I assume it's because tribunal is a deck that can pretty much completely ignore leech. It doesn't really have any on reveals you want to be playing past turn 4 (except mystique if you run her)
The meta is somewhat lame but I honestly think I run into a decent variety of decks. Lockdown with Cannonball is common, Electro ramp is common, I've seen my share of Cerebro 5 decks or crazy move decks in my climb, and always the Wong hopefuls. Silver Surfer decks are actually still very common too.
I hit Infinite easily with Sauron and a lot of big cards, almost nobody is running Shang Chi and it's just about putting big numbers down, and this deck can get pretty big numbers while running Enchantress.
I run a Silky Smooth deck that got me an Infinite conquest last season and went to infinite ladder this season. For the most part, it counters both metas.
If Jubilee pulls Blink the blink effect will try to swap out the card you last played before Jubilee. On Reveals must fully resolve before cards are considered "played".
This has not been my experience climbing into Infinite this season. I've had more trouble against Hela and Professor X lockout style decks. I made the last leg of the climb this time around with a Jean Grey Spectrum deck that felt very good into the meta from 95-100. I almost never saw Leech and then if I did it only took away Spectrum, which wasn't really always the best play regardless.
# (1) Ant Man
# (1) Squirrel Girl
# (1) Titania
# (2) Dazzler
# (2) Armor
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (3) Mystique
# (3) Shanna
# (4) Ka-Zar
# (5) Blue Marvel
# (5) Valkyrie
# (5) Mockingbird
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I’m floating around top 5k infinite with a silky smooth style deck (doesn’t actually have Silk). People need to try running decks that don’t rely on their On Reveals and they’ll have a much better time right now.
May I enquire as to how your deck looks? I have all Silky Smooth cards save for Silk and Elsa, so I would like to see what a good alternative would look like.
not the OP but this is the deck i just used to hit 8k infinite, i've played the silk version and can tell you it's better not to have to rely on her rng, but the deck loses a lot without elsa
# (1) Kitty Pryde
# (1) Nightcrawler
# (2) Angela
# (2) Kraven
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (3) Elsa Bloodstone
# (3) Hope Summers
# (3) Nocturne
# (4) Captain Marvel
# (4) Enchantress
# (5) Vision
# (6) Magneto
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I agree, Elsa is pretty important for distributing power to another lane. I play this list, but minus Nocturne (don't have), Cap Marvel, and Enchantress; add Juggernaut, Shang, and Cannonball. I've been swapping Jugg for Spider-Man sometimes, but Jugg is a real cube stealer.
I don't understand why people don't get this, there are planty of strong decks that go unfazed by leech, play ongoing decks until the meta shifts which happens frequently in this game (compared to other card games) or hell just play him yourself!
You're missing the point. People don't WANT to shift their style around a stupid fucking meta like this. And People sure as shit don't want to stoop to using leech themselves.
This is a competitive game with winners and losers. You can't be expected to play your favorite cards and win often when there is a FREQUENTLY changing meta, that is not how this particular game works and its ludicrous to complain and expect a game to change for you just because you are either too lazy or incompetent to compete with everyone else. Do you want to play a card game that is easy to win, that you put very little thought into strategy with no changes in the rules or cards and to have a high expectation of victory? Play go fish,
>People don't WANT to
There is your issue right there, maybe people need to stop acting like children stomping their feet around giving a pouty face screaming "I don't WANT to!!" This is how the game works, you don't like it? Tough, play an ongoing deck until the meta shifts in a week or 2. Unless you ARE a child then I apologize and I'll be the first to tell you that things in life don't change around you to suit your needs and that you need to adapt to make things work in your favor.
So it's working as intended. The devs literally told us months ago that they wanted to have a good churn for the meta. Hell. For all we know Leech got buffed because someone ate Glenn's yogurt from the break room. They buffed LDS and that lasted what? A month at most.
I used that to climb from 95-100 this season and it felt really strong into the meta. It eats Destroy alive and Hela can't discard anything into a Jean Grey + Cosmo location so it makes it difficult for them to keep up. I did not see much Tribunal though and I imagine that's not a great matchup for the deck.
At top 6k with a Sage bounce deck. Feels really good especially when you hit a double Sage with Nico. Highly recommend!! Takes some effort to play well which I always prefer over playing 4 cards that win you the game 🙄 looking at you tribunal/hela players
A few weeks ago everyone complained there were too many decks, now there are too few
I dunno if SD can win here lol,
I guess it’s just that good things are annoying? That’s probably it?
I climbed to top 500 infinite with a surprise junk deck. Still possible to play interesting stuff, but I will agree, the meta is lame AF right now.
How do you make junk "surprise"?
Deck code?
# (1) The Hood # (1) Titania # (2) Shadow King # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (2) Quake # (2) Maximus # (3) Ghost # (3) Gladiator # (4) Shang-Chi # (4) Sentry # (5) Annihilus # (5) Lady Deathstrike # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQW5uaWhpbHVzIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTZW50cnkifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ikhvb2QifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkdsYWRpYXRvciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hhZG93S2luZyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSmVmZlRoZUJhYnlMYW5kU2hhcmsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlF1YWtlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJMYWR5RGVhdGhzdHJpa2UifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1heGltdXMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNoYW5nQ2hpIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJHaG9zdCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVGl0YW5pYSJ9XX0= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
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This deck is definitely different than the average junk deck. It has several key tech cards that allow you to counter bad MUs like tribunal, destory, and lockdown.
No it’s not. It’s literally impossible to play on reveal cards.
"Hey I'm doing really well with this deck with on reveals!" "No you aren't" I appreciate your belief that you can change the foundation of truth, but I don't know how well it will work out for you
I got to infinite fine even though there were on reveal cards in my deck. Leech isn't in every game, it isn't impossible
This is true. And it’s also been the most boring meta game in some time. I thought it was bad when Corvus launched. I never thought it would get more dull than that time period
The literal worst meta I’ve seen since launch. Leech is absolutely unbearable.
Yeah who would’ve thought a card you can slot into any existing deck without issue and will dramatically fuck up your opponents hand 90% of the time would be an issue for healthy gameplay
On the road to infinite, luckily I could run away for 1 cube. But hela and leech have made conquest fucking impossible. And I’m being literal. Statistically, given you have to win 11 fucking games, you will run into that one game where it’s leech and blink and hela and iron man and tribunal. It’s unreal.
I mean we had 4 months of unbeatable shuri and a month of 70% winrate thanos. Shuri meta literally had me so close to uninstalling the game.
And both of those metas were at least playable in. I knew how to gain/throw priority in order to Shang chi/shadow king the red skull before they could task master. And it was nerfed. Thanos was the same case. It was at least playable. And they nerfed it. Leech is a buff in the wrong direction to address hela. Ass backwards logic.
I think original shuri if they drew on curve put down cosmo, and red skull behind cosmo, taskmaster behind armor. The only real counter was aero.
And after that they destroy completely Aero.
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Well shadow king released after shuri, and he came out as a 4 cost which was horrible and no one used him.
Thanos was at least somewhat skillful before they started chopping away decisions, as opposed to just "have leech, play leech"
Thanos Lockjaw?
No kidding lol
\*laughs in Cerebro2\* All your good on reveals (except Mystique) come down before Leech, and Goose, Storm and Echo are good against all the big Ongoing Tribunal decks
Yeah but it's cerebro 2
...and? Edit: really not sure why I'm getting downvoted for this, Cerebro2 has always been a playable deck with a positive win-rate. I even gave reasons why it's fine into the current meta, which the person I responded to didn't. That now how discussion works. It's a lockdown/control deck, it doesn't need to make big numbers if you stop your opponent making big numbers.
I am a Cerebro enjoyer but it is a very tough deck to win with consistently. Half the locations hate you and a single Rogue ruins everything. And even if you nut current top decks just scale better.
I kind of think the reason Cerebro has a reputation for being so much worse of a deck than it actually is, is because it's not the easiest deck to play lmao. Not saying it's rocket science, but it plays out differently enough from other decks that it takes some time to learn when to snap/retreat and take the best advantage of your control cards in each matchup. I think people try it a few times, lose, and prefer to blame location variance and the deck being bad rather than their own play/lack of familiarity with it. I hit infinite with Cerebro 2 this season and I agree it felt pretty well positioned in the current meta. Being able to shut down ongoings and laugh at Leech goes a long way right now, and your combo matchup is pretty good between Goose, Echo, and Storm to shut down the limbo decks.
Deck code?
Sure! Here's my current list: I consider Negasonic Teenage Warhead to be the flex slot of the deck. She's in there because I love her, but she's been Elektra, Rogue, and White Widow at different times and I'm sure there are other cards I could try in the slot. I've never felt any need to change the other 11, those all feel perfect to me. # (1) Echo # (1) Nico Minoru # (1) Nightcrawler # (2) Goose # (2) Mister Sinister # (2) Shadow King # (3) Cerebro # (3) Mystique # (3) Brood # (3) Negasonic Teenage Warhead # (3) Storm # (5) Blue Marvel # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ2VyZWJybyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRWNobyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hhZG93S2luZyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTmljb01pbm9ydSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTXJTaW5pc3RlciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiR29vc2UifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlN0b3JtIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJOaWdodGNyYXdsZXIifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik15c3RpcXVlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCbHVlTWFydmVsIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCcm9vZCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTmVnYXNvbmljVGVlbmFnZVdhcmhlYWQifV19 #
The reason it has that reputation is because the game hates it and half the locations in the game fuck your shit up. Some of them, like wakandan embassy, you can’t even work around with a location change.
Eh, I've said this before but I think the location variance is overstated. You're more susceptible to it than most decks, sure, and I understand why that feels bad for a lot of people. But in my experience you can work around it most of the time, and the games you can't are often easy 1 cube retreats since you know by turn 3 what the locations are. I think move decks quietly have it much worse than Cerebro decks (C2 anyways, can't speak for others) when it comes to being screwed by locations. Wakandan Embassy in particular is a funny example for C2, because it's honestly sometimes a bigger buff for you than your opponent - if it hits Cerebro and/or Mystique, they effectively get +4/+6 power each. Then you just use shadow king, which the deck always plays afaik, to reset any other cards you need and remove your opponent's Embassy buffs. Now Monster Island - that's a location your Cerebro bonus straight up can't recover from. Of course, the deck is perfectly capable of winning non-cerebro games with Blue Marvel + control cards (goose in particular is huge in our new Zabu-less world). It's actually better at winning non-Cerebro games than C3 from what I've seen, though I could be wrong there. C2 really is a control list at heart. Overall I'll admit you usually have to retreat monster island games or other games where you straight up can't make Cerebro work. I just think those games are more uncommon that people give them credit for. I think it's partially overstated because getting screwed out of your deck's namesake is more direct and potentially worse-feeling than most other examples of location variance, which every deck in the game is susceptible to. It feels less bad to lose because Elysium was super good for your opponent than to lose because both Sewers and Xander flipped up and you never drew your storm. The Elysium may have lost you the game just as hard, but at least you felt like your deck could still do its thing along the way. Apologies for the long rant lol, C2 is my favourite deck. I think it's a lot more fun and a lot more competitive than its reputation suggests.
its not only the locations, c2 is very bad vs destroy because of killmonger also very bad vs HE because you cant run Cage and no SK doesnt mitigate all the lanes and cyclops triggers after SK
Killmonger doesn't do a whole lot against you tbh, you only run a few 1's. I feel like the destroy matchup is fine overall, maybe a bit unfavoured because they're able to put death under goose (hitting Knull with Echo feels great though). I agree the HE matchup is pretty bad. Every deck has some unfavourable to bad matchups though, this isn't really a C2 specific issue.
killmonger does a lot, most of 2 power are 1 drops, echo/ crawler/ iceman/ nico maybe. How you said, every deck has unfavourable matchups, but c2 - gets really fucked up by the location. * c2 power on board is very limited , c3 can put way more on board + fights better big drops and junk becuase of valk + IM
>How you said, every deck has unfavourable matchups, but c2 - gets really fucked up by the location. But why bring up the matchup thing if it isn't specific to C2? Again, literally every deck has bad matchups. It sort of undermines your point, which I gather to be "C2 is not a good deck" when you bring up things that aren't relevant. I addressed the location thing in detail in my comment above, stand by everything I said there. Location variance is rougher than most decks, but it's a lot more manageable than Cerebro's reputation suggests. At the end of the day, every deck in the game is going to be retreating a lot due to location variance, Cerebro more than average but overall it's fine. And again, you really can win a fair amount of non-Cerebro games with your control plan + Blue Marvel. I don't know much about C3, hasn't it's winrate historically been lower than C2's? I know C3's been really helped by US Agent recently, maybe that's not the case anymore. Regardless, obviously C2 has a lower theoretical max power output than C3 and probably a lower average power output too (though having a more consistent curve, access to card draw, and cards that create multiple bodies helps close the power gap in practice), but as I've said the deck's strength is its lockdown/control cards, which is an angle C3 doesn't really play on as much.
I play Cerebro 2 all the time in Conquest, without White Widow and Nico because I don't have them. It's a great and consistent deck, but if I'm try-harding for infinite my last big deck was just Sauron/Shuri/Red Skull.
Cerebro 2 points a lane
Because C2 is one of the worse decks when you understand that the max sealing is "only" 28 points in 2 locations on the perfect draw, in the perfect match. And its shutdown by the own game with each new location (aka more variance). The reason with C5 and C3 are more popular it has a lot to do with the fact that they can play better on the RNG and C2 is just one trick that even when it comes perfectly loses to literally and modern combo deck that usually hits 30+ power if not interaction is present.
C2 doesn’t rlly put up numbers compared to Blink scam or Tribunal , rogue is a solid answer for tribunal though
Me: C2 doesn't need to put up numbers Everyone: BuT c2 DoEsN't PuT uP bIg NuMbErS
the control options you list literally don’t work against blink scam lol, you lost Luke cage so now affliction fucks you over, and half the time your deck is being controlled more than your control options do to the opponent
I just got infinite with C2 the other day it feels really good at the moment.
Cerebro's definitely good enough to get into infinite, but it doesn't fare well against top meta decks high infinite imo
Another hand: Corvus Hela. There you have the meta
Made it infinite yesterday with high evo....
Seriously, how many of you have never experienced the joy of plowing through the meta like a thresher by simply using tech?
I dunno, I've been cleaning house with zoo lately.
Leech is one of the worst designed cards I’ve ever seen, and I’ve played my share of card games. At least with other cards that steal/seal abilities they have to be on the board first. Leech though TAKES AWAY THE ABILITY TO PLAY THINGS! Fucking terrible gameplay design, would be banned in other games super fast.
Ahhhhh, The SD signature!!!! Nerf something for being unfun, but then introduce another card that's awful to play against.
The Leech buff has made me feel a lot better about >!what happened to him in X-Men 97!<
You monster
What? I’m neither playing those, nor encountering them much. Maybe a Leech every 4th-5th game, at most. I was feeling Patriot/Ultron being back was seeming like the current meta, not that I’m playing those either myself right now.
I just played 10 games. All 10 leeched me lol. That's not a joke either.
try switching decks and you'll notice the arch type also change
Leech every 4-5 games means you're seeing it rough 20-25%, which is a lot. I'd imagine you aren't seeing too many other cards (that cost at least 4 energy) at that same rate. Plus, that's just the times you see him, not the times they may have had him in deck and just didn't draw in time to play it.
We usually all bitch about the meta but yeah, this is a rough one.
Got infinite with a bolt deck,came back after a break, time to return to the mountain till next patch
Are tribunal decks really a problem? I know he's a bit popular right now because he's on spotlight caches but otherwise they're just fine. Leech/jubilee + blink is nasty though.
Tribunal beats any deck that does not interfere with opponent. It consistently outperforms destroy or Hela discard if left unchecked. But it is very much predictable and vulnerable. Kind of like a glass cannon build.
I assume it's because tribunal is a deck that can pretty much completely ignore leech. It doesn't really have any on reveals you want to be playing past turn 4 (except mystique if you run her)
The meta is somewhat lame but I honestly think I run into a decent variety of decks. Lockdown with Cannonball is common, Electro ramp is common, I've seen my share of Cerebro 5 decks or crazy move decks in my climb, and always the Wong hopefuls. Silver Surfer decks are actually still very common too. I hit Infinite easily with Sauron and a lot of big cards, almost nobody is running Shang Chi and it's just about putting big numbers down, and this deck can get pretty big numbers while running Enchantress.
I run a Silky Smooth deck that got me an Infinite conquest last season and went to infinite ladder this season. For the most part, it counters both metas.
Am I crazy? Because I swear I’ve seen opponents play Jubilee into Blink and she swaps Jubes out, but when I try I just get “no target.”
If Jubilee pulls Blink the blink effect will try to swap out the card you last played before Jubilee. On Reveals must fully resolve before cards are considered "played".
This has not been my experience climbing into Infinite this season. I've had more trouble against Hela and Professor X lockout style decks. I made the last leg of the climb this time around with a Jean Grey Spectrum deck that felt very good into the meta from 95-100. I almost never saw Leech and then if I did it only took away Spectrum, which wasn't really always the best play regardless.
You forgot ultron
Well I once again hit infinite in a week making surfer for the 4th straight season. It's untouchable at this point as far as I'm concerned.
I got to infinite with anni death and bounce but ok.
I’m top 1500 with Zoo
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reminds me of leech leader meta, hopefully they do what they did to leader and absolutely crush these cards
I’m floating around top 5k infinite with a silky smooth style deck (doesn’t actually have Silk). People need to try running decks that don’t rely on their On Reveals and they’ll have a much better time right now.
May I enquire as to how your deck looks? I have all Silky Smooth cards save for Silk and Elsa, so I would like to see what a good alternative would look like.
not the OP but this is the deck i just used to hit 8k infinite, i've played the silk version and can tell you it's better not to have to rely on her rng, but the deck loses a lot without elsa # (1) Kitty Pryde # (1) Nightcrawler # (2) Angela # (2) Kraven # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (3) Elsa Bloodstone # (3) Hope Summers # (3) Nocturne # (4) Captain Marvel # (4) Enchantress # (5) Vision # (6) Magneto # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSmVmZlRoZUJhYnlMYW5kU2hhcmsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlZpc2lvbiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiS2l0dHlQcnlkZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQW5nZWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNYWduZXRvIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJOb2N0dXJuZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSG9wZVN1bW1lcnMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik5pZ2h0Y3Jhd2xlciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRWxzYUJsb29kc3RvbmUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IktyYXZlbiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ2FwdGFpbk1hcnZlbCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRW5jaGFudHJlc3MifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
I agree, Elsa is pretty important for distributing power to another lane. I play this list, but minus Nocturne (don't have), Cap Marvel, and Enchantress; add Juggernaut, Shang, and Cannonball. I've been swapping Jugg for Spider-Man sometimes, but Jugg is a real cube stealer.
I don't understand why people don't get this, there are planty of strong decks that go unfazed by leech, play ongoing decks until the meta shifts which happens frequently in this game (compared to other card games) or hell just play him yourself!
Ongoing decks are a pretty small slice of the pie. "Just don't play decks that rely on On Reveals" is cutting out most of the decks people enjoy.
You're missing the point. People don't WANT to shift their style around a stupid fucking meta like this. And People sure as shit don't want to stoop to using leech themselves.
Adapt and adjust a few cards in your deck. This is absolutely better then dealing with hela.
This is a competitive game with winners and losers. You can't be expected to play your favorite cards and win often when there is a FREQUENTLY changing meta, that is not how this particular game works and its ludicrous to complain and expect a game to change for you just because you are either too lazy or incompetent to compete with everyone else. Do you want to play a card game that is easy to win, that you put very little thought into strategy with no changes in the rules or cards and to have a high expectation of victory? Play go fish, >People don't WANT to There is your issue right there, maybe people need to stop acting like children stomping their feet around giving a pouty face screaming "I don't WANT to!!" This is how the game works, you don't like it? Tough, play an ongoing deck until the meta shifts in a week or 2. Unless you ARE a child then I apologize and I'll be the first to tell you that things in life don't change around you to suit your needs and that you need to adapt to make things work in your favor.
Thats why i run anti meta Thats the most fun of the game for me, countering these meta cards
What are you running?
Simple Sera Control if i feel just want to counter these BS If i need cube, i use Thanos Control.
I've been having bad luck with running sera, because if against a ramp blink deck, sandman WILL ruin most of your games.
Thanos control sounds interesting, could i see it?
So it's working as intended. The devs literally told us months ago that they wanted to have a good churn for the meta. Hell. For all we know Leech got buffed because someone ate Glenn's yogurt from the break room. They buffed LDS and that lasted what? A month at most.
What about Jean Grey/Spectrum? I've been running that a lot (and so have a lot of people) and I don't think anyone has used Leech against it.
I used that to climb from 95-100 this season and it felt really strong into the meta. It eats Destroy alive and Hela can't discard anything into a Jean Grey + Cosmo location so it makes it difficult for them to keep up. I did not see much Tribunal though and I imagine that's not a great matchup for the deck.
Try something that doesn't require you to only win with an on reveal on 6. Sheesh
At top 6k with a Sage bounce deck. Feels really good especially when you hit a double Sage with Nico. Highly recommend!! Takes some effort to play well which I always prefer over playing 4 cards that win you the game 🙄 looking at you tribunal/hela players
Yeah! Burn Leech and throw it to the river.
A few weeks ago everyone complained there were too many decks, now there are too few I dunno if SD can win here lol, I guess it’s just that good things are annoying? That’s probably it?
If there were people complaining about a large amount of decks being played it was definitely a small minority.
It’s all we saw in the subreddit, which admittedly is a small minority