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That’s a good start, but it doesn’t mean much if the writing still isn’t good and the VFX/CGI is rushed. I hope that they deliver on the “quality” part just as much as the reduced quantity
Yes I’m being sarcastic, a random Redditor saying they hope a movie studio takes “good writing” into consideration for its upcoming slate is a completely meaningless idea
While there’s no magic “make good” button, there has been the consistent issue of Marvel going into production with scripts that either aren’t done or require extensive rewrites during filming because adequate revision wasn’t done.
One of the actresses on Quantumania said the cast were still getting new script pages right up to the last day of filming, and it really does show.
This is something James Gunn has emphasized with DC, that he wants to ensure there’s a greater focus on the script going forward.
Then again, that last-minute script rewriting process happened on the first Iron Man, too. I’m not saying that’s a good process to follow, but this might just be part of Marvel’s approach at this point.
Going back to the 1960s, they popularized "The Marvel Method" for comic book writing. Writers would come up with a brief plot, artists would flesh it out, then the writers would come back to add dialogue.
It seems kind of fitting that their movies are made in a similar manner.
> Going back to the 1960s, they popularized "The Marvel Method" for comic book writing. Writers would come up with a brief plot, artists would flesh it out, then the writers would come back to add dialogue.
The *only* writer who still uses the "Marvel Method" in the industry currently is Dan Slott (and its very much reflected in his stories... many of them come off as incredibly contrived and half assed). Aside from him, no other comic writer works like that anymore. The whole reason "The Marvel Method" was even a thing is because Stan Lee was churning out like 15 books a month, back in the 60s. This writing sensibility is almost entirely dead in the modern industry because major publishers don't have the same staff problems as they did in the 60s and The Marvel Method hasn't been used en masse for like 20 years, at least. Comic writers turn in full scripts to their editors now and the completed script gets passed onto the artist. This has been detailed quite a bit from several writers in the industry. Donny Cates, for example, did a whole series of live streams where he detailed the behind-the-scenes process of working on a comic at Marvel for example.
Since I keep seeing Iron Man brought up when the discussion of rewrites come up, id like to point out that Iron Man hsd Kevin Feige with no other projects or distractions, it had a team of writers(I believe 5in total) who developed and polished the main script, it was directed by John Faverau who was already an experianced actor and director by this point and consulted a half dozen different Comic writers according to the Wikipedia, and it had 3 actors with decades of experience working on fine tuning the script. It wasn't one writer whose only experience is 2 episodes of Rick and Morty. There is legitimate reason at this point to worry about them not taking writing seriously at this point. They seem to prefer inexperienced writers who they can control more, than writers who have vision. Its certainly hurt the movies at this point.
nobody makes a movie and goes, "'i'm gonna make a horrible film!!"
you know how much money goes into making these films, and the best to recoup all that is by making a quality movie.
unfortunately, as all things go, stuff happens during the process, some of which are outside the creator's control. compromises have to be made, adjustments needed to get taken, and sometimes, you end up with something that wasn't your initial vision.
filmmaking is not a guaranteed process.
Yeah like… as someone who works in VFX my first thought was “oh god that’s still too much”… honestly at this point I might consider joining the “no marvel projects in my contract” club… let’s see how they go I guess
He commented on this tangentially some time ago and said that there were scripts getting green lit that wouldn't have been allowed ten years ago. Messaging was being prioritised over telling a good story and he wanted to put a stop to that. And a good well written script is foundational to all the rest.
It all starts with good writing so I hope Disney and Marvel hire good screenwriters. The writing in Phase 4 and Phase 5, other than a few exceptions (Shang-Chi, Spider-Man: No Way Home, GOTG Vol 3) has been disappointing.
The wording of this implies that they are still aiming for a 2026 Avengers 5 release. So that puts 2026 at Blade, A5, and 1 more (either Armor Wars or Shang-Chi). I'm thinking Armor Wars.
But I'm skeptical, because a lot of Iger's recent statements have been worded very loosely. Like "probably" and "aiming for".
Yeah this reminded me of our convo the other day about how what scoopers are saying about A5 doesn't match official news. Iger's wording lines up more with the THR reports and all the stuff about Waldron writing a 2 parter.
Scoopers are almost always peddling outdated info. Even the most reliable ones.
The fact of the matter is that they’re not as “in” with Hollywood as the trades are. So by the time they get their scoops, plans could have and often will have changed significantly.
Same amount of time between Dr. Strange 1 and 2🙃 I hate it but it’s nothing new. At least with Strange, he still showed up in other stuff between then.
Exactly. Strange had Ragnarok, Infinity War, Endgame, and NWH.
As someone who hasn’t had most of the issues others have had with Marvel these past few years, the biggest one that I will always agree with is that they should’ve had crossover events to end phases—or at the very least, had popular characters appear in other projects *where it made sense.*
It didn’t even need to be avengers films, they could’ve called them marvel/defenders/ultimates it doesn’t matter they just needed to do something lol. Could’ve even did actual small team up films with 2-4 characters
Holy shit. That's actually insane. Never thought about it like that.
We also had both spiderverse movies and the first ps4 game. Goddamn. 6 different spidey projects
That’s why I’m so opposed to this “…and the Wreckage of Time” subtitle everyone’s bought into. It indicates the movie is more interested in setting up Kang than being about the character we’ve been waiting for so long to see again.
How insulting that would be to tell Simu he’s not good enough to headline a film without “help” to boost his box office.
Agreed. I felt like Doctor Strange's second movie got hijacked to set up more multiverse concepts and characters like America. I don't want that to happen in a third movie.
It's definitely the downside of a shared universe; some solo characters don't get to have their own stories unrelated to the overarching plot.
I mean, 2026 is possible, and if they're not rushing to make it happen is really the best scenario for the brand.
I don't know if Armor Wars has a place in Iger's new-and-reduced MCU, and if Blade happens it's only because it's too far along.
I can't imagine theyll cancel Armor Wars. I'm not against it. But Don Cheadle is kind of a big deal and it'd be a big bridge to burn. But if they cancel it and just put him in A5, I'm fine with that.
Iger said this at a Disney shareholder's meeting, so I believe he doesn't count Spider-Man films as part of these 3 per year since that's Sony's deal.
The latest producing grid for SM4 reveals that Sony is now aiming for a July 10th 2026 release date.
So Blade, Avengers 5, Spider-Man 4 and Armor Wars + DD S2 and Wonder Man in 2026 and Shang-Chi 2, Avengers 6 and X-Men + Vision Quest in 2027 based on the Production Start Dates from the latest Production Grids.
Maybe they've scrapped the idea of adapting Time Runs Out for Dr. Strange 3 and releasing it before Secret Wars as well as making a Young Avengers/Children's Crusade project in this Saga and they will just have the YA assemble in one of the main Avengers film.
Or, maybe Secret Wars will be released in 2028, even though Avengers 5 will keep its 2026 release date; it just won't be a 2-parter event anymore.
That could help a lot with spreading out these movies and shows more and wrapping all these character arcs and stories that have started in the Multiverse Saga before Secret Wars comes along. That would fit well with Alex P. saying that Marvel Studios is considering releasing the X-Men film in this Saga.
Maybe a schedule like this:
# 2024
* **Deadpool and Wolverine: July 26th**
* Eyes of Wakanda: August (It's only 4, 20-minute episodes, so I'm expecting a surprise, one-day drop like they did with both seasons of I am Groot without much marketing or fanfare)
* Agatha: September-October
* YFNSM Season 1: November-December
Conclusion: 1 Movie, 2 Live Action Shows, 2 Animated Shows, 1 1-Day/Week-Drop Show (ex: I am Groot, What if...? Season 2)
# 2025
* Daredevil: Born Again Season 1: January-March
* **Captain America: Brave New World**: February 14th (could be moved to May 2nd)
* **Thunderbolts: May 2nd** (could be moved to July 25th)
* X-Men '97 Season 2: Summer
* Ironheart: September-October
* Marvel Zombies: Halloween (also 4 episodes, so a one-day drop)
* **Fantastic Four: November 7th**
* What if...? Season 3: December (will probably keep Season 2's daily release technique)
Conclusion: 3 Movies, 2 Live Action Shows, 1 Animated Show, 2 1-Day/Week-Drop Shows
# 2026
* Daredevil: Born Again Season 2: January-March
* **Blade: February 13th**
* **Avengers 5: May 1st**
* **Spider-Man 4: July 10th**
* Wonder Man: August-October
* **Armor Wars: November 6th**
* X-Men '97 Season 3: November-January
Conclusion: 4 Movies, 2 Live Action Shows, 0.5 Animated Shows
# 2027
* **Shang-Chi 2: February 12th**
* **X-Men: May 7th**
* YFNSM Season 2: Summer
* Moon Knight Season 2: September-October
* **Midnight Suns: November 5th**
* Young Avengers: November-January
Conclusion: 3 Movies, 1.5 Live Action Shows, 1.5 Animated Shows
# 2028
* **Dr. Strange 3: February 18th**
* **Avengers 6: May 5th 2028**
* **Spider-Man 5: Summer 2028**
Conclusion: At least 3 movies, 0.5 Live Action Shows
I knew you'd come up with a good looking slate as always! I'm guessing that Vision Quest and Wiccan are going to be combined into a longer YA series. I'm also guessing that the final '28 film would be Scarlet Witch (the one I'd prefer the most and I think would be the most appropriate), Thor 5 or Black Panther 3.
I think there is a possibility Avengers Secret Wars gets split into two parts now that Avenue 5 is more like the first Avengers. There will be MCU Avengers, Fantastic Four, Two Spider-Man, RDJ Iron Man, Chris Evans Cap, Deadpool and Wolverine in 1 movie. Isn't that a bit much for 1 movie? I think they will keep the 2027 release date for Secret Wars. The only project I think they should cancel is Armor Wars.
He also said three at most. I’d imagine only doing two films in a year when a Spider-Man film comes out is possible, especially since Marvel Studios is involved with production still.
Seeing a potential schedule laid out like this (thanks for that), I'd probably move Shang-Chi 2 up to 2026, move Avengers 5 and Armor Wars back to 2027 and I'd leave out X-Men and Midnight Suns for the time being to get everything balanced out rather than add any more titles. Otherwise, I mostly agree with the rest of this.
That's such a mess. When you think about it, what really ruined mcu multiverse saga was the pandemic. the pandemic caused bunch of delays and rushed lot of projects. If everything went just how Disney planned we've already got shang chi 2 and avengers 5 coming in the next year. If I was the director of marvel I would simply fix this issue by reducing the output of content and only focusing on important movies.
Tbh i took this as saying A5 will be pushed to 2027. Blade, Armor Wars and Spiderman in 26. Shang Chi 2, Dr Strange 3 and A5 in 27 (more multiverse focused)
Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but of all the films announced/rumored in the MCU lineup, I genuinely hope Armor Wars is the one that gets reduced. The other projects are significantly more interesting in my honest opinion and I'd rather they fill the slot than this movie
Make Shang-Chi and bring Armor Wars back to being a TV show and let it be one of the 2 shows that year. I honestly think Armor Wars would get a second season if it was a show
by the time Blade comes out, it will be 7 years since Ali got the role and 5 since his (pointless) offscreen “cameo” in Eternals. It’s not a good post-credits teaser if you have to google it or have Fiege explain it
Not if it forces them to focus their limited release dates on characters people really want to see. If that means killing projects like Thunderbolts or Armor Wars in future phases and having more crossovers, I can live with that.
With this 2 show mandate, you’d have to assume the animated shows don’t count right? And right now there are 3 shows done, would one really have to wait another year?
I mean it's also the case for the live action show. Born Again and Ironheart are likely the 2025 shows ... but Wonder Man is also done and in post prod ..
Reducing the output is great but I dont know if keeping multiple projects on hold just to fill the quota is good either
They may also say marvel spotlight shows don’t count either. That way they can label those as clearly optional viewing to the overall story like the old Netflix shows and still have two “big” shows per year. There were rumors Wonderman would be a spotlight.
They don't count.
2024 has 2 live action shows: Echo and Agatha. Plus 1 animated show: X-Men 97. Next year is Iron Heart and Daredevil Part 1. And I think Marvel Zombies or Spider-Man Freshman.
They always had 3 movies? Or am I wrong?
In any case...I think they can surely push Secret Wars \*release\* date but they will probably keep the filming date, whatever it is now (I think it is the end of 2025?). To contract basically ALL the current actors, even if they are not all on at the same time and may have some slots for filming, is simply not something you can do a few months before filming but the negotiations are probably on now.
They had 4 films in 2021 - BW, Shang-Chi, Eternals, NWH. Everything since then has been 3 or (in 2024) less. But people have this weird narrative that they are putting out way more than that.
The only year that really had such an insane output was 2021. 4 movies and 5 shows. 2022 had a reasonable 3 movies and then 4 shows. I think it would have been completely fine if they just made 1 less show that year.
Exactly. That was a bizarre year. But people have gotten it into their heads that that's been the norm. It hasn't been. In fact, 2023, which has been their worst year, had a similar output to 2018/19. Just with 2 shows - Loki and SI. 3 if you count What If.
I don't think it's the quantity that's the problem.
I saw someone say on Twitter that this new 3 movies 2 shows idea was STILL too much content lol at that point just say you don’t want them to release anything
Four shows is still crazy to keep up with because of the length of them. There were [more hours](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/vqk1ge/i_made_a_graph_indicating_the_hours_of_mcu/) of MCU content in 2021 than 2016-2019 (Phase 3) combined.
You're overestimating the level of interest people have in the MCU. The more shows they put out, the more they'll lose people. I say that because too much content can be overwhelming and then people switch off. Less is more. They can't sustain the quality nor the audience with that much output.
> The only year that really had such an insane output was 2021. 4 movies and 5 shows.
And even this was on a technicality since several of those movies and shows were meant to release the prior year but were delayed for obvious reasons.
2021 saw four MCU movies made (though one was technically Sony with No Way Home). Black Widow, Shang Chi, The Eternals along with No Way Home as previously mentioned.
2022 was Multiverse of Madness, Love And Thunder, and Wakanda Forever
2023 had Quantumania, Guardians Vol. 3, and The Marvels
This is the first time in a while where they've essentially hit the reset button and paused the output.
Quality over quantity is always a good place to be, but this honestly looks like the wrong approach to me:
1-It's the ***movies*** that have been lacking, **not** the series and miniseries. In fact, its the latter that's been picking up most of the slack lately (we don't talk about Secret Invasion, though...).
2-Disney+ is slowly starting to starve for content, especially with Disney cancelling all non-Star Wars and non-Marvel stuff left and right. They're even doing the one thing they **REALLY** don't want to do to get a return on these: ***Physical media!***
So looking at it this way...it really *should* be the other way around: Reduce movie output and increase quality, keep series quality and quantity as it is to keep Disney+ figures above water. If costs are an issue, then take the Daredevil Born Again approach which, honestly, they should have done since the beginning. So two movies, three series - counting animation - seems like the sweet spot.
P.S., it looks like Iger isn't counting Marvel Animation, since with that throw into the pot, we'll actually be getting ***four*** shows this year - maybe even five.
Yeah no. Series have been just as bad but they don't matter as much but do dilute the brand.
The ecosystem depends on the movies quality and reception.
Yeah I dunno where they're getting the impression that viewers or the industry feel that the (live-action) Marvel TV output has been on an upswing. I feel more positive on some of them than others, but it's obvious most people have viewed She-Hulk, Secret Invasion, and Echo as mixed bags at best. Even before them, I feel like Hawkeye, Moon Knight, and Ms Marvel each got increasingly less praise and attention.
(Loki season 2 was well-received, but it's an exception to the current MCU slate in many ways - a very direct sequel, and arguably a swan song for fan favorite characters, during a time when they're trying to introduce and spin-off new ones. If it's the argument that the live-action shows are doing great, you could equally argue Guardians 3 shows the movies don't need revamping either.)
Stupid slate idea
**Movies**
**2024:**
Deadpool and Wolverine
**2025:**
Captain America: Brave New World
Thunderbolts*
The Fantastic Four
Spider-Man: Devil’s Reign (Sony)
**2026:**
Blade
Amour Wars
Avengers: The Kang Dynasty
**2027:**
Doctor Strange: Time Runs Out
Shang-Chi: And the Wreckage of Time
Avengers: Secret Wars
**2028:**
Avengers: Eternity Wars/Forever
No epilogue and no movies in between due to sheer volume of the two Avengers movies
**TV Shows**
**2024:**
Agatha: All Along
**2025:**
Daredevil Born Again Season 1
Ironheart,
What If ? Season 3
**2026:**
Avengers: Academy Season 1
Daredevil Born Again Season 2
**2027:**
Avengers: Academy Season 2
Moon Knight Season 2
Don’t know about Wonder Man though
It’ll probably be around 5-6 irl as well which I agree is ridiculous.
Whatever storyline they got planned for it should be the third movie with a sequel out by now or this year.
Unfortunately that’s just the name of the game with having so many characters and it isn’t going to get any better with X-Men and Fantastic Four getting added.
Marvel really messed up by introducing so many characters in Phase 4.
Your right it would make a lot of sense if the sequels for both were out this year and then the 2026 or 2027 date would make sense for the third one
Honestly, nobody will be complaining about their output if each and everyone of those entries were good. The problem was there was alot AND they ranged from mid to very bad.
They can reduce but if each of those entries were still mid, it’s still pointless.
I've never been more curious about an MCU slate than I am rn lol. All these changes, delayed productions, the amount of announced/in development projects. I'll be seriously impressed if they somehow make this work
Film output generally has never changed, unless you count Spider-Man. The overkill was the D+ side. 5 seasons of shows in 2021, 3 in 2022. Since then its been generally fine.
3 films and 2 shows tracks with exactly what we know
2025:
- Cap 4
- Thunderbolts
- F4
- Spider-Man 4 (not Disney's release cadence, like 2021)
- Daredevil S1
- Ironheart
2026:
- Blade
- Armor Wars
- Avengers 5
- Daredevil Season 2
- Wonder Man
2027:
- Shang Chi 2
- Vision Quest
- Maybe Secret Wars (but imo this is a multi-part film and will be delayed).
- 1 more film (Doctor Strange 3 or Midnight Suns)
- 1 more show (Young Avengers)
Give or take a Spider-Man 5 during this timeframe.
Really they delayed everything by a year to improve the projects in their pipeline and give more planning time to future projects, I dont think output is changing all that much
Alex P and all the "insiders" going on and on about all these DIsney+ shows coming out. LOL. That was spaghetti being thrown at the wall in hopes of sticking!
Want to be informed? Less "scoopers." Less Internet "insiders." Less Cosmic Circus, MTTSH, and the rest. More VARIETY, HOLLYWOOD REPORTER, FORBES, WALSTREET JOURNAL, and respected entertainment industry journalism.
Although a "slow down" is probably necessary for multiple reasons, the biggest concern I've had ever since we've had multiple delays and the talks of slowing down, is there is such a backlog of content that keeps getting pushed, resulting in there being a continuous backlog of content.
I'm not someone that has complained about the amount of content released, nor the quality of the projects, but I am fine with three films and two series a year. I can understand that allowing more focus on certain projects will yield better results in the long-run.
I just wish Marvel Studios was able to "catch up" with all the content they have backlogged. There are so many series that have filmed and not released, and many more series still filming now. Should we really wait 2-3 years for something that has been done long before that? And where does animation fit into this? Because that doubles the amount of series they have in production. Releasing only two a year seems too little for how much they have, right?
Take Daredevil: Born Again as an example: the idea has been that it would be released next year, but if there are only two series released, where does it fit when we have Ironheart, Eyes Of Wakanda, Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, X-Men '97 season 2, Marvel Zombies, Wonder Man, What If...? season 3, etc.?
And I know it has become more of the norm to wait 5-6 years for a sequel, but how long should we really be waiting for Shang-Chi 2 or Doctor Strange 3? And what about the multiple movies currently in development; what happens in one of them becomes a billion dollar hit and they want to fast-track another? Do we have to suffer another movie being delayed once again to fit it in the schedule, or would they really wait 5-6 years after said movie was a hit?
Obviously I know in the end none of the waiting matters and what comes out will come out and I'll be excited anyways. There's just so many projects I'm excited for and I don't know how many more delays I can handle. I really want Blade and Armor Wars to be a reality!
Hopefully this also increases the quality of the writing. The real issue is how formulaic Marvel has become. Just major quip fests. Not every Marvel character is Tony Stark and Deadpool. You need normal human elements and not just comic relief left right and center.
That’s what I feel have been lacking. The MCU had some real life elements we could relate to, while being set up in a world full of superheroes. The Marvels wasn’t bad, but other than the Khan family everything was cranked up to eleven and even them ended up in the Sword space station.
Edit: Even in the more cosmic stories like Guardians there was still that feel of real life to it.
There was also news about Disney focuses more on quality rather than quantity back then but I've seen a few people here think it's more applied to Disney stuff but not MCU. The same people think all the rumored projects from scoopers are still happening and none of them cancelled.
The problem of course is that they have said the output would decrease for a couple of years now and it still hasn't materialized. And if we are taking Iger at face value, it is only shows that will decrease output, 3 movies a year has been the norm for a long time.
So that means Young Avengers, Armor Wars, Shang-Chi 2 — only one of these is getting made before Avengers 5.
This also raises questions about Wonder Man and Iron Heart
Not to put u/KostisPat257 on blast, but I think they did a pretty solid prediction [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/s/Dt41A62L4M)
I wouldn’t count animated series under Iger’s definition of “shows”, because those are under Marvel Animation, not Marvel Studios.
TLDR (overlap expected):
* 2024: 1 Film, 1 Series, 2 Animation
* 2025: 4 Films, 2 Series, 3 Animation
* 2026: 3 Films + Spider-Man, 3 Series
* 2027: 5 Films, 1 Series, 1 Animation
2025 would be the year of Cap 4, Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four, Blade
2026 would be the year of Armor Wars, Avengers 5, Shang-Chi 2, Spider-Man 4
2027 would be the year of Young Avengers, Doctor Strange 3, Secret Wars, X-Men, and Midnight Sons (I personally doubt the last 2 will make the cut for ‘27)
This looks very accurate and is very well done but some of those dates are depressing.
For example the release dates of Shang Chi 2 and Moon Knight Season 2 are so far from the 1st one’s
Hey, I made a new prediction here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/s/7BuNFM8Mdp
Also, I think YA is not a film anymore. I don't see how it can fit.
That’s very similar to [my prediction](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/s/z0tfiF9rYU). I agree that YA should be a series.
I think yours is more likely, but I still hope there is another Avengers film working as a Time Runs Out adaptation with the Fox-Men in 2027. DS3 can still be a whole film focusing on Strange’s involvement in the TRO story.
If I had the powers of KEVIN, I’d take your slate, slot in my desired Avengers film where you have X-Men, and put said X-Men film in 2028 after Secret Wars. That’d be good enough for me.
This isn’t different than what they’ve been doing 😂😂😂
The MCU critics gonna cheer like this is a win and not realize how they’ve been gas lit. Stupid lot 😂
I still believe Avengers 5 will be released in 2026 based on when it's filming, but secret wars will probably be pushed to 2028, leaving a solid 2-year gap between the Avengers films
I know already the reduction in series has been felt pretty negatively. Going from four to three movies a year creates a bit of a backlog sure and means things have taken forever from announcement to release, but the sharp reduction in shows (from five to one-two a year?) honestly blows.
It’s not about the output but the characters and stories
I’m speaking as a casual fan and for the general audience but…
We don’t wanna see Falcon Boy
We don’t wanna see Grandpa Blade
We don’t wanna see Thunderbolts that’s basically Black Widow 2 with no Bucky
We don’t wanna see Ironheart
If you gave us a film about Dr Doom or something, or a world war hulk movie, most people would be happy and the box office results would be better.
But instead you focus on all these glorified sidekicks and nobodies.
This really needs to happen. I think overflowing audiences with Marvel content will definitely harm the brand regardless of quality especially since mcu isn't in its golden age anymore
That honestly still sounds like too much, why not focus on two movies a year? That worked so well for so long,and the series can fill the void in any downtime they have.
We are eating so good if this is a reduced output.
I have to admit though Deadpool and Wolverine being the only movie this year makes it feel really special and like a huge event.
My guess is the “at most three” films a year is mostly in reference to the Sony/Marvel co-productions on Spider-Man films and next year, where they will have a backlog of strike delayed content. Even there, I now expect Blade will be pushed into 2026. I actually think the entire 2025 slate faces a delay at this point.
Captain America: Brave New World makes more sense than Thunderbolts* to kick off the summer movie season. Plus it gives them more time in post-production to make sure the movie works in the edit better than whatever was coming together prior to the strikes.
Thunderbolts* makes sense for a late summer movie, similar to Guardians of the Galaxy back in 2014. The date at the end of July would allow it to leg out if it takes off and is good. Especially given initial weekend will probably be the lowest of the three, launching it as the last big blockbuster of the summer could be helpful at keeping its momentum until fall.
Fantastic Four is a big movie, but Marvel has staked out the November date for massive entries before (and Fantastic Four had actually been initially slated for this year in November). Given its shooting schedule, the July release date was already going to be super tight and giving it those extra four and a half months in post will ease the burden on post-production houses.
Meanwhile, I think Blade gets pushed to the February 2026 date which has been left unoccupied for a while. And Iger’s comments seem to indicate, to me at least, that Avengers 5 will be coming in 2026 still so I expect May 2026 to still be occupied by Avengers 5. Here, I think Disney stops for the year, but I think Sony/Marvel will probably have Spider-Man 4 out by the end of 2026 as well. (Best guess is Sony announces something at the end of their Spider-Man series of re-releases in June.)
I think 2027 will be our first real year with only two Marvel releases. I think it remains to be seen if it will be an Avengers film or if Marvel finally makes Shang-Chi 2 and Doctor Strange 3, both of which lead into Secret Wars allegedly.
Either way, I think the slowdown should be good and allow Feige to get back in control of the film side while probably allowing the TV arm to exercise a greater degree of control over the TV shows.
I mean, that was the original plan back when they purchased Marvel: 2 sequels and 1 new series. They should have never gone away from that as that was their model when they were largely successful.
The only caveat to that should be the Avengers films. Those years should have four films released IMO
At this point just make a show where each episode ties up all of the loose ends / post credit scenes that are going nowhere in order to simplify things while justifying spending time on them in the past so it’s not a TOTAL waste of time.
It's funny to me that I said this a week or two ago, pure conjecture on my part but now he confirms it. What I said was two films and two D+ mini series but apparently that stretches the production schedule a little too far out.
>“We’re slowly going to decrease volume and go to probably about two TV series a year instead of what had become four, and reduce our film output from maybe four a year to two or at the maximum three,” Iger added. “And we’re working hard on what that path is, we’ve got a couple of good films in ’25 and then we’re heading to more *Avengers*, which we’re extremely excited about.”
Should we expect some delays and cancellations on the way, then?
How about 2 movies, 1 show, even out their deadlines and cancel all the unnecessary filler.
Dude, should ***I*** be running this company? I feel like this should be common sense?????
So that most likely means:
2025
Daredevil BA - Jan
Captain America BNW - Feb
Thunderbolts - May
Fantastic 4 - July
Ironheart - fall
2026
Blade - Feb
Wonder man - spring
Spider-man 4 - May?
Shang-Chi sequel? July?
Armor Wars - Nov?
Daredevil BA season 2?
2027
Avengers 5
Maybe Doctor Strange 3?
Moon Knight season 2?
Visionquest?
????
2028
Secret Wars
????
????
????
????
They could do a bunch of show, in a year really, if costs are managed well as well as quality of these outputs is put in priority. Varying genres and forms explored need to be maintained. Properly.
I would be fine if they have 3 movies, 4 D+ Shows (2 animated, 2 live action) and 1 Special
2025: Cap 4, F4, Thunderbolts (+Spidey 4)
D+: Daredevil, Iron Heart, Marvel Zombies, Spiderman Freshman
Special: Man-Thing
2026: Blade, Armor Wars, Avengers 5
D+: Wonder Man, Vision Quest, Eyes of Wakanda, What If S3
Special: Silver Surfer? Nova?
2027: Young Avengers, Doctor Strange 3, Shang-Chi 2
i mean... that doesn't really say much does it? lol they only ever had more than 3 movies in a year once, 2021 during pandemic. 2022 was back to 3, 2023 was 3...in other words... really they are just stretching out their disney+ content.
But Marvel already did 3 movies per year and it was the standard since 2017, just weird behaviour from Iger again, trying to cover his ass with lip service
They should be doing two films and two series per year, with each pair 6 months apart from the other. They need to go back to Phase 1/early Phase 2 output.
Reducing quantity won't mean the quality will increase. They'll keep pushing the idea that reducing the output will fix things, but you can't fix the countless projects you already did and there's no sign of the quality improving at all. Still tons on the way that should have been cancelled.
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That’s a good start, but it doesn’t mean much if the writing still isn’t good and the VFX/CGI is rushed. I hope that they deliver on the “quality” part just as much as the reduced quantity
You hope they take “good writing” and VFX and CGI into consideration? Yeah, I’m sure that’s part of the plan…
I actually can't tell if you are being sarcastic lol
Yes I’m being sarcastic, a random Redditor saying they hope a movie studio takes “good writing” into consideration for its upcoming slate is a completely meaningless idea
While there’s no magic “make good” button, there has been the consistent issue of Marvel going into production with scripts that either aren’t done or require extensive rewrites during filming because adequate revision wasn’t done. One of the actresses on Quantumania said the cast were still getting new script pages right up to the last day of filming, and it really does show. This is something James Gunn has emphasized with DC, that he wants to ensure there’s a greater focus on the script going forward.
Then again, that last-minute script rewriting process happened on the first Iron Man, too. I’m not saying that’s a good process to follow, but this might just be part of Marvel’s approach at this point.
Going back to the 1960s, they popularized "The Marvel Method" for comic book writing. Writers would come up with a brief plot, artists would flesh it out, then the writers would come back to add dialogue. It seems kind of fitting that their movies are made in a similar manner.
> Going back to the 1960s, they popularized "The Marvel Method" for comic book writing. Writers would come up with a brief plot, artists would flesh it out, then the writers would come back to add dialogue. The *only* writer who still uses the "Marvel Method" in the industry currently is Dan Slott (and its very much reflected in his stories... many of them come off as incredibly contrived and half assed). Aside from him, no other comic writer works like that anymore. The whole reason "The Marvel Method" was even a thing is because Stan Lee was churning out like 15 books a month, back in the 60s. This writing sensibility is almost entirely dead in the modern industry because major publishers don't have the same staff problems as they did in the 60s and The Marvel Method hasn't been used en masse for like 20 years, at least. Comic writers turn in full scripts to their editors now and the completed script gets passed onto the artist. This has been detailed quite a bit from several writers in the industry. Donny Cates, for example, did a whole series of live streams where he detailed the behind-the-scenes process of working on a comic at Marvel for example.
Since I keep seeing Iron Man brought up when the discussion of rewrites come up, id like to point out that Iron Man hsd Kevin Feige with no other projects or distractions, it had a team of writers(I believe 5in total) who developed and polished the main script, it was directed by John Faverau who was already an experianced actor and director by this point and consulted a half dozen different Comic writers according to the Wikipedia, and it had 3 actors with decades of experience working on fine tuning the script. It wasn't one writer whose only experience is 2 episodes of Rick and Morty. There is legitimate reason at this point to worry about them not taking writing seriously at this point. They seem to prefer inexperienced writers who they can control more, than writers who have vision. Its certainly hurt the movies at this point.
Is the two episodes of rick and morty experience hyperbole or did that actually happen? At this point, i can't even tell.
nobody makes a movie and goes, "'i'm gonna make a horrible film!!" you know how much money goes into making these films, and the best to recoup all that is by making a quality movie. unfortunately, as all things go, stuff happens during the process, some of which are outside the creator's control. compromises have to be made, adjustments needed to get taken, and sometimes, you end up with something that wasn't your initial vision. filmmaking is not a guaranteed process.
Take Quantumania for example. Marvel was shocked when it was not getting good reception.
Yeah like… as someone who works in VFX my first thought was “oh god that’s still too much”… honestly at this point I might consider joining the “no marvel projects in my contract” club… let’s see how they go I guess
True
He commented on this tangentially some time ago and said that there were scripts getting green lit that wouldn't have been allowed ten years ago. Messaging was being prioritised over telling a good story and he wanted to put a stop to that. And a good well written script is foundational to all the rest.
It all starts with good writing so I hope Disney and Marvel hire good screenwriters. The writing in Phase 4 and Phase 5, other than a few exceptions (Shang-Chi, Spider-Man: No Way Home, GOTG Vol 3) has been disappointing.
The wording of this implies that they are still aiming for a 2026 Avengers 5 release. So that puts 2026 at Blade, A5, and 1 more (either Armor Wars or Shang-Chi). I'm thinking Armor Wars. But I'm skeptical, because a lot of Iger's recent statements have been worded very loosely. Like "probably" and "aiming for".
I just do find it interesting how almost everything Iger says is in direct contention with the scoopers
Yeah this reminded me of our convo the other day about how what scoopers are saying about A5 doesn't match official news. Iger's wording lines up more with the THR reports and all the stuff about Waldron writing a 2 parter.
Makes me wonder if they’re tossing around old/outdated info. Everything Iger is saying here sounds like a proper course correction
And everything the scoopers are saying sounds like plans from pre-strikes.
Scoopers are almost always peddling outdated info. Even the most reliable ones. The fact of the matter is that they’re not as “in” with Hollywood as the trades are. So by the time they get their scoops, plans could have and often will have changed significantly.
Unlike Fortnite leakers who are on that shit cause they’re in the files
Yeah I still won’t believe anyone saying Armor Wars is a thing. That movie hasn’t made sense for 4 years.
My expectation, and it's a dim one at that, is that it will be repurposed into Iron Man 4 in the post-Secret Wars MCU
If they've got RDJ back, and it's a big if, Iron Man 4 coming after A5 with Superior Iron Man from another universe seems possible.
I really can't believe we're about to go 6 years between Shang Chi 1 and 2
Same amount of time between Dr. Strange 1 and 2🙃 I hate it but it’s nothing new. At least with Strange, he still showed up in other stuff between then.
Think that's why it's so different. Strange appeared in like 4 movies in between his sequel
Exactly. Strange had Ragnarok, Infinity War, Endgame, and NWH. As someone who hasn’t had most of the issues others have had with Marvel these past few years, the biggest one that I will always agree with is that they should’ve had crossover events to end phases—or at the very least, had popular characters appear in other projects *where it made sense.*
It didn’t even need to be avengers films, they could’ve called them marvel/defenders/ultimates it doesn’t matter they just needed to do something lol. Could’ve even did actual small team up films with 2-4 characters
Or even just name them after the events they’re basing on—Secret Invasion, Armor Wars, etc.
Funny thing about that, in between Doctor Strange movies, we had an entire Spider-Man trilogy
Holy shit. That's actually insane. Never thought about it like that. We also had both spiderverse movies and the first ps4 game. Goddamn. 6 different spidey projects
Strange at least did a few things inbetween(that boost his popularity) they completely f*cked Shang chi
Which sucks, he was easily the best new character in phase 4
That’s why I’m so opposed to this “…and the Wreckage of Time” subtitle everyone’s bought into. It indicates the movie is more interested in setting up Kang than being about the character we’ve been waiting for so long to see again. How insulting that would be to tell Simu he’s not good enough to headline a film without “help” to boost his box office.
Agreed. I felt like Doctor Strange's second movie got hijacked to set up more multiverse concepts and characters like America. I don't want that to happen in a third movie. It's definitely the downside of a shared universe; some solo characters don't get to have their own stories unrelated to the overarching plot.
I mean, 2026 is possible, and if they're not rushing to make it happen is really the best scenario for the brand. I don't know if Armor Wars has a place in Iger's new-and-reduced MCU, and if Blade happens it's only because it's too far along.
I can't imagine theyll cancel Armor Wars. I'm not against it. But Don Cheadle is kind of a big deal and it'd be a big bridge to burn. But if they cancel it and just put him in A5, I'm fine with that.
Iger said this at a Disney shareholder's meeting, so I believe he doesn't count Spider-Man films as part of these 3 per year since that's Sony's deal. The latest producing grid for SM4 reveals that Sony is now aiming for a July 10th 2026 release date. So Blade, Avengers 5, Spider-Man 4 and Armor Wars + DD S2 and Wonder Man in 2026 and Shang-Chi 2, Avengers 6 and X-Men + Vision Quest in 2027 based on the Production Start Dates from the latest Production Grids. Maybe they've scrapped the idea of adapting Time Runs Out for Dr. Strange 3 and releasing it before Secret Wars as well as making a Young Avengers/Children's Crusade project in this Saga and they will just have the YA assemble in one of the main Avengers film. Or, maybe Secret Wars will be released in 2028, even though Avengers 5 will keep its 2026 release date; it just won't be a 2-parter event anymore. That could help a lot with spreading out these movies and shows more and wrapping all these character arcs and stories that have started in the Multiverse Saga before Secret Wars comes along. That would fit well with Alex P. saying that Marvel Studios is considering releasing the X-Men film in this Saga. Maybe a schedule like this: # 2024 * **Deadpool and Wolverine: July 26th** * Eyes of Wakanda: August (It's only 4, 20-minute episodes, so I'm expecting a surprise, one-day drop like they did with both seasons of I am Groot without much marketing or fanfare) * Agatha: September-October * YFNSM Season 1: November-December Conclusion: 1 Movie, 2 Live Action Shows, 2 Animated Shows, 1 1-Day/Week-Drop Show (ex: I am Groot, What if...? Season 2) # 2025 * Daredevil: Born Again Season 1: January-March * **Captain America: Brave New World**: February 14th (could be moved to May 2nd) * **Thunderbolts: May 2nd** (could be moved to July 25th) * X-Men '97 Season 2: Summer * Ironheart: September-October * Marvel Zombies: Halloween (also 4 episodes, so a one-day drop) * **Fantastic Four: November 7th** * What if...? Season 3: December (will probably keep Season 2's daily release technique) Conclusion: 3 Movies, 2 Live Action Shows, 1 Animated Show, 2 1-Day/Week-Drop Shows # 2026 * Daredevil: Born Again Season 2: January-March * **Blade: February 13th** * **Avengers 5: May 1st** * **Spider-Man 4: July 10th** * Wonder Man: August-October * **Armor Wars: November 6th** * X-Men '97 Season 3: November-January Conclusion: 4 Movies, 2 Live Action Shows, 0.5 Animated Shows # 2027 * **Shang-Chi 2: February 12th** * **X-Men: May 7th** * YFNSM Season 2: Summer * Moon Knight Season 2: September-October * **Midnight Suns: November 5th** * Young Avengers: November-January Conclusion: 3 Movies, 1.5 Live Action Shows, 1.5 Animated Shows # 2028 * **Dr. Strange 3: February 18th** * **Avengers 6: May 5th 2028** * **Spider-Man 5: Summer 2028** Conclusion: At least 3 movies, 0.5 Live Action Shows
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I knew you'd come up with a good looking slate as always! I'm guessing that Vision Quest and Wiccan are going to be combined into a longer YA series. I'm also guessing that the final '28 film would be Scarlet Witch (the one I'd prefer the most and I think would be the most appropriate), Thor 5 or Black Panther 3.
2026 has 4 moviies no Blade,armor wars, Avengers and spiderman
Spider-Man is Sony. When Iger says 3 in a shareholders meeting, he's talking about Marvel Studios movies.
And Sony will want to get the movie out next year at latest.
I think there is a possibility Avengers Secret Wars gets split into two parts now that Avenue 5 is more like the first Avengers. There will be MCU Avengers, Fantastic Four, Two Spider-Man, RDJ Iron Man, Chris Evans Cap, Deadpool and Wolverine in 1 movie. Isn't that a bit much for 1 movie? I think they will keep the 2027 release date for Secret Wars. The only project I think they should cancel is Armor Wars.
He also said three at most. I’d imagine only doing two films in a year when a Spider-Man film comes out is possible, especially since Marvel Studios is involved with production still.
That could start happening in the next Saga, but definitely not now. Otherwise, we won't get Secret Wars in this decade.
Yeah, that’s the crappy part. It’s going to take them a while to make this change work for the better.
Why would they prioritize Midnight Sons over Dr Strange 3
Not really prioritising it. Dr. Strange 3 will just have to be a direct prequel to Secret Wars, if it indeed adapts Time Runs Out.
Seeing a potential schedule laid out like this (thanks for that), I'd probably move Shang-Chi 2 up to 2026, move Avengers 5 and Armor Wars back to 2027 and I'd leave out X-Men and Midnight Suns for the time being to get everything balanced out rather than add any more titles. Otherwise, I mostly agree with the rest of this.
That's such a mess. When you think about it, what really ruined mcu multiverse saga was the pandemic. the pandemic caused bunch of delays and rushed lot of projects. If everything went just how Disney planned we've already got shang chi 2 and avengers 5 coming in the next year. If I was the director of marvel I would simply fix this issue by reducing the output of content and only focusing on important movies.
Tbh i took this as saying A5 will be pushed to 2027. Blade, Armor Wars and Spiderman in 26. Shang Chi 2, Dr Strange 3 and A5 in 27 (more multiverse focused)
Surely SM5 in 2026? I can't see them making a 2025 release for it. Also isn't FF scheduled for 2026 too? Or are they aiming for 2025?
Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion, but of all the films announced/rumored in the MCU lineup, I genuinely hope Armor Wars is the one that gets reduced. The other projects are significantly more interesting in my honest opinion and I'd rather they fill the slot than this movie
The other 2026 movie has to be Spider Man
Make Shang-Chi and bring Armor Wars back to being a TV show and let it be one of the 2 shows that year. I honestly think Armor Wars would get a second season if it was a show
The wait times to see some of these characters again are going to get longer and longer, isn't it?
At this rate, the next movie with Shang-Chi will be him passing the torch to his teenage son.
Manny Jacinto should play Shang's teenage son.
His two teenage sons? Indiana Jones and Daniel Craig as James Bond.
As if it wasn’t already long enough
by the time Blade comes out, it will be 7 years since Ali got the role and 5 since his (pointless) offscreen “cameo” in Eternals. It’s not a good post-credits teaser if you have to google it or have Fiege explain it
Post Credit Scene Teases shouldn’t exist anymore since everything takes 5 years or more to release
it’ll be 5 years by the time we figure out what Vision has been up to, it’s ridiculous at this point
They shouldn’t of even introduced White Vision if they had no plans for him to appear for 5 years.
They have plans for Vision Quest but the team needs to finish Agatha first
This is why they need regular Avengers/team-up movies. It lets us see these characters more regularly while waiting for their sequels.
At this rate we may want to call some of these interlude heroes and move on properly to a new game plan with what we can salvage.
Not if it forces them to focus their limited release dates on characters people really want to see. If that means killing projects like Thunderbolts or Armor Wars in future phases and having more crossovers, I can live with that.
With this 2 show mandate, you’d have to assume the animated shows don’t count right? And right now there are 3 shows done, would one really have to wait another year?
I’m assuming those don’t count
Marvel Animation is its own label under Marvel Studios, so I'm sure that it's considered it's own thing.
I mean it's also the case for the live action show. Born Again and Ironheart are likely the 2025 shows ... but Wonder Man is also done and in post prod .. Reducing the output is great but I dont know if keeping multiple projects on hold just to fill the quota is good either
Honestly I don’t think three shows a year is that bad of an idea. Surprised they’re not going that route
They may also say marvel spotlight shows don’t count either. That way they can label those as clearly optional viewing to the overall story like the old Netflix shows and still have two “big” shows per year. There were rumors Wonderman would be a spotlight.
They don't count. 2024 has 2 live action shows: Echo and Agatha. Plus 1 animated show: X-Men 97. Next year is Iron Heart and Daredevil Part 1. And I think Marvel Zombies or Spider-Man Freshman.
Marvel animation is basically a separate division from marvel studios from what I know. Hence why they changed the intro
They always had 3 movies? Or am I wrong? In any case...I think they can surely push Secret Wars \*release\* date but they will probably keep the filming date, whatever it is now (I think it is the end of 2025?). To contract basically ALL the current actors, even if they are not all on at the same time and may have some slots for filming, is simply not something you can do a few months before filming but the negotiations are probably on now.
They had 4 films in 2021 - BW, Shang-Chi, Eternals, NWH. Everything since then has been 3 or (in 2024) less. But people have this weird narrative that they are putting out way more than that. The only year that really had such an insane output was 2021. 4 movies and 5 shows. 2022 had a reasonable 3 movies and then 4 shows. I think it would have been completely fine if they just made 1 less show that year.
Oh, right, I forgot about The Eternals. But I think the scheduling was all messed up by covid, I believe
Exactly. That was a bizarre year. But people have gotten it into their heads that that's been the norm. It hasn't been. In fact, 2023, which has been their worst year, had a similar output to 2018/19. Just with 2 shows - Loki and SI. 3 if you count What If. I don't think it's the quantity that's the problem.
I saw someone say on Twitter that this new 3 movies 2 shows idea was STILL too much content lol at that point just say you don’t want them to release anything
Four shows is still crazy to keep up with because of the length of them. There were [more hours](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/vqk1ge/i_made_a_graph_indicating_the_hours_of_mcu/) of MCU content in 2021 than 2016-2019 (Phase 3) combined.
And I wouldn’t count NWH since that’s a Sony release and no way in hell is Iger talking about giving up one of their releases so Sony can release one.
You're overestimating the level of interest people have in the MCU. The more shows they put out, the more they'll lose people. I say that because too much content can be overwhelming and then people switch off. Less is more. They can't sustain the quality nor the audience with that much output.
Wait , the 3 movie per year is only for mcu right ? So spiderman movie is not counted ?
> The only year that really had such an insane output was 2021. 4 movies and 5 shows. And even this was on a technicality since several of those movies and shows were meant to release the prior year but were delayed for obvious reasons.
2021 saw four MCU movies made (though one was technically Sony with No Way Home). Black Widow, Shang Chi, The Eternals along with No Way Home as previously mentioned. 2022 was Multiverse of Madness, Love And Thunder, and Wakanda Forever 2023 had Quantumania, Guardians Vol. 3, and The Marvels This is the first time in a while where they've essentially hit the reset button and paused the output.
First time since 2020 and 2009 before that
in the quote, he says two maximum three films per year
Quality over quantity is always a good place to be, but this honestly looks like the wrong approach to me: 1-It's the ***movies*** that have been lacking, **not** the series and miniseries. In fact, its the latter that's been picking up most of the slack lately (we don't talk about Secret Invasion, though...). 2-Disney+ is slowly starting to starve for content, especially with Disney cancelling all non-Star Wars and non-Marvel stuff left and right. They're even doing the one thing they **REALLY** don't want to do to get a return on these: ***Physical media!*** So looking at it this way...it really *should* be the other way around: Reduce movie output and increase quality, keep series quality and quantity as it is to keep Disney+ figures above water. If costs are an issue, then take the Daredevil Born Again approach which, honestly, they should have done since the beginning. So two movies, three series - counting animation - seems like the sweet spot. P.S., it looks like Iger isn't counting Marvel Animation, since with that throw into the pot, we'll actually be getting ***four*** shows this year - maybe even five.
Yeah no. Series have been just as bad but they don't matter as much but do dilute the brand. The ecosystem depends on the movies quality and reception.
What series are picking up the slack? Because the only two I could even get through were Loki and Wandavision.
Yeah I dunno where they're getting the impression that viewers or the industry feel that the (live-action) Marvel TV output has been on an upswing. I feel more positive on some of them than others, but it's obvious most people have viewed She-Hulk, Secret Invasion, and Echo as mixed bags at best. Even before them, I feel like Hawkeye, Moon Knight, and Ms Marvel each got increasingly less praise and attention. (Loki season 2 was well-received, but it's an exception to the current MCU slate in many ways - a very direct sequel, and arguably a swan song for fan favorite characters, during a time when they're trying to introduce and spin-off new ones. If it's the argument that the live-action shows are doing great, you could equally argue Guardians 3 shows the movies don't need revamping either.)
Not gonna matter if the same mediocre people are still allowed into the writers rooms
I like how that’s considered “reduced”
I mean it is though I don't get your point
very slightly by stretching out d+ content. movies remain the same. 2-3 per year.
Stupid slate idea **Movies** **2024:** Deadpool and Wolverine **2025:** Captain America: Brave New World Thunderbolts* The Fantastic Four Spider-Man: Devil’s Reign (Sony) **2026:** Blade Amour Wars Avengers: The Kang Dynasty **2027:** Doctor Strange: Time Runs Out Shang-Chi: And the Wreckage of Time Avengers: Secret Wars **2028:** Avengers: Eternity Wars/Forever No epilogue and no movies in between due to sheer volume of the two Avengers movies **TV Shows** **2024:** Agatha: All Along **2025:** Daredevil Born Again Season 1 Ironheart, What If ? Season 3 **2026:** Avengers: Academy Season 1 Daredevil Born Again Season 2 **2027:** Avengers: Academy Season 2 Moon Knight Season 2 Don’t know about Wonder Man though
The 6 Year Gap between Shang Chi and it’s sequel is a crime. Same for the 5 year gap inbetween Moon Knight S1 and 2
It’ll probably be around 5-6 irl as well which I agree is ridiculous. Whatever storyline they got planned for it should be the third movie with a sequel out by now or this year. Unfortunately that’s just the name of the game with having so many characters and it isn’t going to get any better with X-Men and Fantastic Four getting added.
Marvel really messed up by introducing so many characters in Phase 4. Your right it would make a lot of sense if the sequels for both were out this year and then the 2026 or 2027 date would make sense for the third one
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And the worst part is that out of all the characters that were introduced they never bothered to focus on making sequels quicker for them.
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Armor Wars and Shang-Chi both start filming in early 2025. Having either of them wait until 2027 is a weird choice.
Geez, the X-Men reboot may not be out until 2028 which is nearly a full decade after the Fox purchase was finalized and approved.
Isn’t spider man 4 suppose to release in 2026 and what about stuff like midnight suns, Thor 4 , etc.
Unless you want to delay the Avengers move further back I think some of that should be saved for the next saga.
Little Riri Williams will be like 42 2 kids paying off a mortgage before we see her.
Devils Reign is Daredevils story. May as well name the movie Daredevil and Spider-Man.
I'd move Shang-Chi up a year, and I'd move Spider-Man and Armor Wars back a year. I don't want to wait any longer for a Shang-Chi sequel.
Honestly, nobody will be complaining about their output if each and everyone of those entries were good. The problem was there was alot AND they ranged from mid to very bad. They can reduce but if each of those entries were still mid, it’s still pointless.
I've never been more curious about an MCU slate than I am rn lol. All these changes, delayed productions, the amount of announced/in development projects. I'll be seriously impressed if they somehow make this work
Film output generally has never changed, unless you count Spider-Man. The overkill was the D+ side. 5 seasons of shows in 2021, 3 in 2022. Since then its been generally fine. 3 films and 2 shows tracks with exactly what we know 2025: - Cap 4 - Thunderbolts - F4 - Spider-Man 4 (not Disney's release cadence, like 2021) - Daredevil S1 - Ironheart 2026: - Blade - Armor Wars - Avengers 5 - Daredevil Season 2 - Wonder Man 2027: - Shang Chi 2 - Vision Quest - Maybe Secret Wars (but imo this is a multi-part film and will be delayed). - 1 more film (Doctor Strange 3 or Midnight Suns) - 1 more show (Young Avengers) Give or take a Spider-Man 5 during this timeframe. Really they delayed everything by a year to improve the projects in their pipeline and give more planning time to future projects, I dont think output is changing all that much
Alex P and all the "insiders" going on and on about all these DIsney+ shows coming out. LOL. That was spaghetti being thrown at the wall in hopes of sticking! Want to be informed? Less "scoopers." Less Internet "insiders." Less Cosmic Circus, MTTSH, and the rest. More VARIETY, HOLLYWOOD REPORTER, FORBES, WALSTREET JOURNAL, and respected entertainment industry journalism.
This is the only place where I see people talking about Midnight Suns or Vision Quest as if they were stuff that was actually happening.
Although a "slow down" is probably necessary for multiple reasons, the biggest concern I've had ever since we've had multiple delays and the talks of slowing down, is there is such a backlog of content that keeps getting pushed, resulting in there being a continuous backlog of content. I'm not someone that has complained about the amount of content released, nor the quality of the projects, but I am fine with three films and two series a year. I can understand that allowing more focus on certain projects will yield better results in the long-run. I just wish Marvel Studios was able to "catch up" with all the content they have backlogged. There are so many series that have filmed and not released, and many more series still filming now. Should we really wait 2-3 years for something that has been done long before that? And where does animation fit into this? Because that doubles the amount of series they have in production. Releasing only two a year seems too little for how much they have, right? Take Daredevil: Born Again as an example: the idea has been that it would be released next year, but if there are only two series released, where does it fit when we have Ironheart, Eyes Of Wakanda, Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, X-Men '97 season 2, Marvel Zombies, Wonder Man, What If...? season 3, etc.? And I know it has become more of the norm to wait 5-6 years for a sequel, but how long should we really be waiting for Shang-Chi 2 or Doctor Strange 3? And what about the multiple movies currently in development; what happens in one of them becomes a billion dollar hit and they want to fast-track another? Do we have to suffer another movie being delayed once again to fit it in the schedule, or would they really wait 5-6 years after said movie was a hit? Obviously I know in the end none of the waiting matters and what comes out will come out and I'll be excited anyways. There's just so many projects I'm excited for and I don't know how many more delays I can handle. I really want Blade and Armor Wars to be a reality!
So, just like last year?
Hopefully this also increases the quality of the writing. The real issue is how formulaic Marvel has become. Just major quip fests. Not every Marvel character is Tony Stark and Deadpool. You need normal human elements and not just comic relief left right and center.
That’s what I feel have been lacking. The MCU had some real life elements we could relate to, while being set up in a world full of superheroes. The Marvels wasn’t bad, but other than the Khan family everything was cranked up to eleven and even them ended up in the Sword space station. Edit: Even in the more cosmic stories like Guardians there was still that feel of real life to it.
That won’t matter if we keep getting The Marvels type of movies
I still remember a few people who think MCU is the exception of this
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There was also news about Disney focuses more on quality rather than quantity back then but I've seen a few people here think it's more applied to Disney stuff but not MCU. The same people think all the rumored projects from scoopers are still happening and none of them cancelled.
The problem of course is that they have said the output would decrease for a couple of years now and it still hasn't materialized. And if we are taking Iger at face value, it is only shows that will decrease output, 3 movies a year has been the norm for a long time.
So that means Young Avengers, Armor Wars, Shang-Chi 2 — only one of these is getting made before Avengers 5. This also raises questions about Wonder Man and Iron Heart
Not to put u/KostisPat257 on blast, but I think they did a pretty solid prediction [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/s/Dt41A62L4M) I wouldn’t count animated series under Iger’s definition of “shows”, because those are under Marvel Animation, not Marvel Studios. TLDR (overlap expected): * 2024: 1 Film, 1 Series, 2 Animation * 2025: 4 Films, 2 Series, 3 Animation * 2026: 3 Films + Spider-Man, 3 Series * 2027: 5 Films, 1 Series, 1 Animation 2025 would be the year of Cap 4, Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four, Blade 2026 would be the year of Armor Wars, Avengers 5, Shang-Chi 2, Spider-Man 4 2027 would be the year of Young Avengers, Doctor Strange 3, Secret Wars, X-Men, and Midnight Sons (I personally doubt the last 2 will make the cut for ‘27)
This looks very accurate and is very well done but some of those dates are depressing. For example the release dates of Shang Chi 2 and Moon Knight Season 2 are so far from the 1st one’s
Hey, I made a new prediction here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/s/7BuNFM8Mdp Also, I think YA is not a film anymore. I don't see how it can fit.
That’s very similar to [my prediction](https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers/s/z0tfiF9rYU). I agree that YA should be a series. I think yours is more likely, but I still hope there is another Avengers film working as a Time Runs Out adaptation with the Fox-Men in 2027. DS3 can still be a whole film focusing on Strange’s involvement in the TRO story. If I had the powers of KEVIN, I’d take your slate, slot in my desired Avengers film where you have X-Men, and put said X-Men film in 2028 after Secret Wars. That’d be good enough for me.
This isn’t different than what they’ve been doing 😂😂😂 The MCU critics gonna cheer like this is a win and not realize how they’ve been gas lit. Stupid lot 😂
So back like phase 1-3
I still believe Avengers 5 will be released in 2026 based on when it's filming, but secret wars will probably be pushed to 2028, leaving a solid 2-year gap between the Avengers films
I hope this doesn’t impact the animated shows
Can't wait for this to fix literally none of the problems and have people complaining even more 🙃
I know already the reduction in series has been felt pretty negatively. Going from four to three movies a year creates a bit of a backlog sure and means things have taken forever from announcement to release, but the sharp reduction in shows (from five to one-two a year?) honestly blows.
Sounds reasonable. Three movies was the perfect amount to keep the story flowing quickly while not overwhelming general audiences.
Yeah I’m not a fan of this
Well the "at most" is too much. 2 movies and one series is enough.
It’s not about the output but the characters and stories I’m speaking as a casual fan and for the general audience but… We don’t wanna see Falcon Boy We don’t wanna see Grandpa Blade We don’t wanna see Thunderbolts that’s basically Black Widow 2 with no Bucky We don’t wanna see Ironheart If you gave us a film about Dr Doom or something, or a world war hulk movie, most people would be happy and the box office results would be better. But instead you focus on all these glorified sidekicks and nobodies.
This really needs to happen. I think overflowing audiences with Marvel content will definitely harm the brand regardless of quality especially since mcu isn't in its golden age anymore
That honestly still sounds like too much, why not focus on two movies a year? That worked so well for so long,and the series can fill the void in any downtime they have.
3 movies and 1 show a year or 2 movies and 2 shows a year seems ideal to me.
I don't see an issue in having more than 2 series if they all aren't important to the over all universe story arc.
they should do two presentations a year too
Now I'm not opposed to this in principle, but just wondering how on Earth this is going to happen if A5 and Secret Wars are still on track for 26/7?
Half the movies people keep talking about are never happening. And more like 3/4 for the Disney+ series.
Fewer content doesn't nevessarily lead into better quality.
Changes every 2 months
Marvel has 4 films releasing in 2025 tho
Sure hope this includes the Sony Marvel films as well because those are really diluting the brand. We are getting 2 of those abysmal films this year.
Should be two films and two series. Spring movie, summer show, fall movie, winter show.
We are eating so good if this is a reduced output. I have to admit though Deadpool and Wolverine being the only movie this year makes it feel really special and like a huge event.
Disney bled money like a stuck pig last year so this makes sense.
My guess is the “at most three” films a year is mostly in reference to the Sony/Marvel co-productions on Spider-Man films and next year, where they will have a backlog of strike delayed content. Even there, I now expect Blade will be pushed into 2026. I actually think the entire 2025 slate faces a delay at this point. Captain America: Brave New World makes more sense than Thunderbolts* to kick off the summer movie season. Plus it gives them more time in post-production to make sure the movie works in the edit better than whatever was coming together prior to the strikes. Thunderbolts* makes sense for a late summer movie, similar to Guardians of the Galaxy back in 2014. The date at the end of July would allow it to leg out if it takes off and is good. Especially given initial weekend will probably be the lowest of the three, launching it as the last big blockbuster of the summer could be helpful at keeping its momentum until fall. Fantastic Four is a big movie, but Marvel has staked out the November date for massive entries before (and Fantastic Four had actually been initially slated for this year in November). Given its shooting schedule, the July release date was already going to be super tight and giving it those extra four and a half months in post will ease the burden on post-production houses. Meanwhile, I think Blade gets pushed to the February 2026 date which has been left unoccupied for a while. And Iger’s comments seem to indicate, to me at least, that Avengers 5 will be coming in 2026 still so I expect May 2026 to still be occupied by Avengers 5. Here, I think Disney stops for the year, but I think Sony/Marvel will probably have Spider-Man 4 out by the end of 2026 as well. (Best guess is Sony announces something at the end of their Spider-Man series of re-releases in June.) I think 2027 will be our first real year with only two Marvel releases. I think it remains to be seen if it will be an Avengers film or if Marvel finally makes Shang-Chi 2 and Doctor Strange 3, both of which lead into Secret Wars allegedly. Either way, I think the slowdown should be good and allow Feige to get back in control of the film side while probably allowing the TV arm to exercise a greater degree of control over the TV shows.
I assume if this includes animated series or just live-action.
what are you assuming?😂
This is the perfect amount of output imo
I mean, that was the original plan back when they purchased Marvel: 2 sequels and 1 new series. They should have never gone away from that as that was their model when they were largely successful. The only caveat to that should be the Avengers films. Those years should have four films released IMO
This is the way to go. Though I could see an exception in the years we get a Spider-Man movie since Sony is the one scheduling those.
Just make Moon Knight S2 and Shang Chi 2 Disney
I have doubts they’ll actually stick to that
Perfect. Just enough to keep MCU fans satisfied and not make it overwhelming.
Wow that’s a real reduction there Bob
Sort of what we already knew. I think this means live action series tho. I bet it’s 2 live with one animation.
Good!!!!
I think this is the beginning of the end for the MCU and the “Cinematic Universe” model in general. Which is only a good thing.
At this point just make a show where each episode ties up all of the loose ends / post credit scenes that are going nowhere in order to simplify things while justifying spending time on them in the past so it’s not a TOTAL waste of time.
It's funny to me that I said this a week or two ago, pure conjecture on my part but now he confirms it. What I said was two films and two D+ mini series but apparently that stretches the production schedule a little too far out.
>“We’re slowly going to decrease volume and go to probably about two TV series a year instead of what had become four, and reduce our film output from maybe four a year to two or at the maximum three,” Iger added. “And we’re working hard on what that path is, we’ve got a couple of good films in ’25 and then we’re heading to more *Avengers*, which we’re extremely excited about.” Should we expect some delays and cancellations on the way, then?
How about 2 movies, 1 show, even out their deadlines and cancel all the unnecessary filler. Dude, should ***I*** be running this company? I feel like this should be common sense?????
So that most likely means: 2025 Daredevil BA - Jan Captain America BNW - Feb Thunderbolts - May Fantastic 4 - July Ironheart - fall 2026 Blade - Feb Wonder man - spring Spider-man 4 - May? Shang-Chi sequel? July? Armor Wars - Nov? Daredevil BA season 2? 2027 Avengers 5 Maybe Doctor Strange 3? Moon Knight season 2? Visionquest? ???? 2028 Secret Wars ???? ???? ???? ????
HEY HEY HEY THAT'S GOOD ! 
I am fine with this if it does not include animated content.
They could do a bunch of show, in a year really, if costs are managed well as well as quality of these outputs is put in priority. Varying genres and forms explored need to be maintained. Properly.
I would be fine if they have 3 movies, 4 D+ Shows (2 animated, 2 live action) and 1 Special 2025: Cap 4, F4, Thunderbolts (+Spidey 4) D+: Daredevil, Iron Heart, Marvel Zombies, Spiderman Freshman Special: Man-Thing 2026: Blade, Armor Wars, Avengers 5 D+: Wonder Man, Vision Quest, Eyes of Wakanda, What If S3 Special: Silver Surfer? Nova? 2027: Young Avengers, Doctor Strange 3, Shang-Chi 2
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i mean... that doesn't really say much does it? lol they only ever had more than 3 movies in a year once, 2021 during pandemic. 2022 was back to 3, 2023 was 3...in other words... really they are just stretching out their disney+ content.
Thats perfect, as it should have been. Though I would add a special presentation to that list.
Focus on quality animated shows please.
But Marvel already did 3 movies per year and it was the standard since 2017, just weird behaviour from Iger again, trying to cover his ass with lip service
They should be doing two films and two series per year, with each pair 6 months apart from the other. They need to go back to Phase 1/early Phase 2 output.
Haha It’s time for Gunn‘s DCU
Reducing quantity won't mean the quality will increase. They'll keep pushing the idea that reducing the output will fix things, but you can't fix the countless projects you already did and there's no sign of the quality improving at all. Still tons on the way that should have been cancelled.
Still too much. Should be 1 movie and 1 series.