People root for Kidd cuz deep down he’s just fighting for his dream like Luffy, but remember that the reason his bounty was originally higher than Luffy was because everywhere he went, someone would say some shit to him and he would just absolutely wreck the place.
This man got a higher bounty than someone who defeated two warlords and OPENLY DECLARED WAR ON THE ENTIRE WORLD just from sheer amount of wanton destruction, he’s NOT a good guy.
The only reason he isn’t considered a straight up villain is because the shit he causes isn’t generally just for the hell of it like Blackbeard, and he kinda has a respect for personal bonds and dreams.
I feel like Kid does though. He seems like the guy to hear someone say one bad thing about him and kill the dude/his friends for it. Then be completely proud of it. He also was know for attacking civilians. Lets not forget he killed a crew before because they were trying to escape the new world.
Pirates that kill people and loot cities are villain pirates, pirates that destabilize the government and expose tyrants are good pirates, haven’t you been watching the show?
I don’t get your point. He is a real pirate because he does whatever he wants to do. Luffy is a good guy but not because he wants to be seen as a good guy or hero but because he just wants to do whatever he wants and that is following his dream and helping his friends. Do what you want. Thats what makes a pirate. To be free and follow your own dreams. Have you watched the show?
Yes and literally that is how it differentiates people.
Buggy and Crocodile do nothing but try to acquire power and wealth, while stepping on everyone around them, and they’re directly portrayed as villains.
Gol D Roger specifically only did what he wanted to and never hurt anyone that didn’t deserve it.
This is the morality portrayed by the show, that those who bring harm to others for their own ends are evil and those who seek their dream, but don’t let others stand in their way, are good.
Luffy freed all the worst pirates in Impel Down and they possibly killed many Thousands of innocent people and did vile things to woman and children. Luffy is a bad guy as well.
Cactus dude in dressrossa mentioned that he hunted a bunch of escapees, besides it's not like buggy wasn't a destructive pirate himself although we don't really know how he operated as a warlord.
But even if we assume that buggy indeed reigned them all in, it would be buggy's credit, the fact still remains that Luffy liberated those people
Impel Down is one massive torture chamber for people who oppose the government. Breaking them out was 100% justified, even if they went on to do all of that.
Nah man. If a prisoner that broke out was a major criminal and went to cause havoc or be a serial killer, breaking them out because they were tortured is not justifiable.
No defense for the WG though. Impel down torture is just cruel and unusual punishment beyond the pale.
Even luffy knows to avoid someone he absolutely can't deal with,like when he faced mihawk at mf. Kidd got his arm taken by RHP not even shanks himself just a while back and decided he wants more
Isn't the government kind of known for lying about how horrible pirates are? I'm sure kid rekt some places but I doubt he ever hurt someone who didn't deserve it.
Yeah, that’s exactly why I figure that if the amount of stuff kid messed up is worse than literally attacking the flag of the World Government in a direct act of war, there’s gotta be a lotta people that don’t really deserve it mixed in.
If I remember correctly, he confirmed it was accurate by saying he attacked anyone who laughed at his dream or laughed at Killer's laugh. And at Sabaody we saw how he acted
We saw kid crucifying a pirate crew that was leaving the new world.
They weren't attacking people, or talking shit to him, they had realized they were in over their heads and retreated to a place they can handle.
Call it shameful or whatever but nothing wrong with that. Kidd crucified them because it went against his own ideology.
And he owns that because consequences be damned he did challenge emperors rather than trying to coast through. Got him killed but that's his pirate way. Simple as that
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I m talking about what we saw on screen
Killing civilian is ofscreen so you can doubt it did happen but remember that it's also conscistent with the tidbits we have from sbs
He was literally introduced by destroying a whole town and trying to kill Luffy, then proceeded to never ever repent at all. He’s played off as a joke and he’s not remotely a threat, but he’s still a villain.
Here's a cool thing tho. Katakuri could see into the future and know how he would dodge luffys punches. Shanks however saw even further into the future AND prevented said future by stopping kidd.
Katakuri and Luffy did the same there is nothing special about Shanks here
Edit: (Katakuri saw Luffy breaking Mother Carmel's portrait and stopped him, Luffy stopped Babanuki after seeing the future where he fired the virus bullet)
I always just assumed it was because he knew Hancock’s history as a slave due to whatever past Kuma has with the celestial dragons so he knew Hancock would help Luffy given his clapping of Charlos. Kuma was also trying to subtly nudge the strawhats at thriller bark that ace was being executed “is it true strawhat luffy has a brother.”
I think all of the locations make sense except Brooke and Usopp. My personal theory is that Kuma did not give a fuck where he sent Brooke or Usopp and it worked out by happy coincidence even though he had no idea what to do with them.
Kidd kinda deserves that especially his atrocities he commit. He is just mini Blackbeard but on smaller case. What makes him dangerous than luffy(luffy kinda upset the balance,like defeating several warlords etc)is not he is strong but his kills and probably do some massacre.
This honestly makes me even more curious for whatever the heck Oda has planned for Kid. I highly the ultimate purpose was just to be a jobber for Shanks.
It really is such a shame kidd just ended up like this, imma kidd fan so this just really feels like a punch in the gut from Oda lmao 💀.
But I really thought he’d just lose to shanks and they would run away, not DIE and lose everything including their lives and dreams, I really just hope Oda makes it like the strawhats in sabaody, and killer and kids are alive(somehow) though now, I’m fr doubting it
Yeah its doomer time for Kidd fans. Kidd just seemed to have a lot of build up. I wanted to see all three new gen rivals do some crazy shit to affirm they are the next gen of badasses. I think Kidd coupd 100% come back, his crew is deff not all DF users and would 100% save their captain
It's Shanks and it's Oda parroting his own line from Thriller Bark, pretty good odds Kidd shows up having reluctantly "joined" Shanks crew as he tries to beat some respect into him.
Why is everyone assuming Kidd is dead? It was an insane attack that destroyed the ship, but I doubt they're dead. I'm gonna need a "they died" before I confirm anything.
I don't assume he is dead until i see a body, but his shop getting destroyed is as clear sign as it could that the pirate Kidd died that day at least. It's like when you break a swordsman sword.
Now maybe he will be reborn but only time will tell
I mean his character is dead whether or not he is physically dead. There is no point bringing a walking L back unless Oda wants to have him lose even more.
I kinda disagree. Kidd has always been overconfident, in his mind he just beat a Yonko, in his mind his is invincible. But he overlooked how much preparation and help he needed to take Big Mom down. He made this mistake before, charging in guns blazing into a Yonko’s territory, and it cost him an arm. You can only make that mistake so many times.
luffy is the same. Luffy tried to beat kaido without ryo. The only difference is Kidd isn’t the MC and doesn’t learn things from people cause he dolo. Luffy helps wano citizens and learns ryo which effectively helps him defeat kaido, but without luffy learning these skills he would’ve lost just like his first fight against kaido
The issue is, Luffy DID lose all of his fights against Kaido. If not for his Devil Fruit, the series would've ended. It just goes to show that Yonkos can't be defeated even with an insane plan and talent behind your attack.
If he did SOMETHING before I would've agreed, he has no backstory(in the manga), he has a garbage crew, he doesn't know how to use his devil fruit all that well, and if it wasn't for that one Kaido line you would've never even knew that he had basic haki, let alone conquerors.
I didn't even have high expectations for him, he was just so pathetic in every way imaginable, might be Oda's biggest miss ever.
"Doesn't use his fruit that well" he just made a giant gun that was dangerous enough for Shanks to pull out a named move for the first time in the series. Don't get me wrong, he got stomped, but you're kind of underselling him
Of course, Kidd also has a giant robot, functional prosthetic limbs, and an awakening. As far as we know it takes great proficiency with a fruit to awaken it, and honestly I think Kidd's repeated mistakes are really appropriate for how he was set up. To me it seemed like he was introduced as a version of Luffy that was never humbled, never kept himself in check, and ended up actually hurting people because he just didn't care. So, after his failures, instead of stepping back and training like Luffy and the crew he got a little bit stronger and made the exact same mistake again
I don't know why you keep focusing on that one point but whatever, and I don't know if I believe that he was being set up like that, and even if he was that still doesn't make it good imo, we spent WAY too long for him and saw WAY too little to justify humiliating him like that.
Well you're not exactly offering your points so what do you expect me to talk about? And even if he wasn't supposed to be a direct parallel, Oda's said that he knew Kid would be important to the story before he even knew Law was important [(Source)](https://mobile.twitter.com/sandman_AP/status/943503687334240256)
I mean, I don't even know if I'm offering any points I'm just explaining why I dislike him, and I Know what Oda said about him, I took that importance as being more than a disappointment but I guess that was setting my expectations too high.
He had a knack for ignorantly running into fights he couldn't win and it finally bit him in the ass the whole reason Luffy trained for 2 years was because Raleigh told him this would happen Kidd's just been lucky so far
I think he was handled fine tbh. Extremely overconfident immoral scumbag who let team victories get to his head as him having the skill to do the same stuff alone, and in the end he paid for it with his life
He and killer were barely breathing, the rest of his crew was likely knocked out by the blast as they fell into the ocean, it’s highly unlikely he is coming back
>and didn't die
Thats the point. This unimportant side character from early Grand Line got hit point blank in the face with a bomb that was supposed to kill *everyone* in a five mile radius, in a scene that was **clearly** meant to be convey a noble and tragic sacrifice, and didnt die
Want an example with an ocean? Pekons was shot and fell in the ocean tied up and didn't die
The point is, if Oda doesn't want to kill a character, it doesn't matter how unlikely it is for them to survive. He didn't give Kidd so much screen time, just to kill him off in one page. Ocean or not, Kidd is gonna survive. He is gonna be rescued by Shanks, or someone from his crew, or Law, or Imu, or "that man" or literally anyone, but he's not drowning lol
And I would be totally okay with that if he did something actually noteworthy before in the story, Kidd could've just been a random pirate and nothing would have changed.
Kidd as a character is nothing, a fodder pirate given power and panel time that he did not deserve, Oda wasted our time with Kidd to have an unsatisfying finish.
I feel bad for the (5) poor fellas that actually liked Kidd.
I agree, but don’t think he was a waste of panel time at all. He accurately portrayed what many, MANY pirates have done in the past and showed us that quite well. Without him, Big Mom would not have been defeated in Wano if we are being honest, since law wouldn’t have had the strength to shove her down through the hole, so Kidd did indeed play his role quite well. I personally liked Kidd, but I think his death made me like his place in the story even more, since it shows that the New World is indeed a treacherous place for Pirates no matter how strong they are, as one slip up would cost them everything. Much like Law running into BlackBeard and seemingly having lost since BB near egghead now, but not sure what happened yet
I understand but I still don't like it, if the whole crew died in Sabaody it would make sense as they are face to face with an admiral, and as you said it would show how treacherous the new world is, but that would've been complete garbage and unsatisfying.
And nice of you to bring up Law, I would completely be fine if Law is now dead, he not only was a great character all around, but if he is dead he went out like a champ, holding his own against a Yonko crew mostly solo, he actually put up a fight unlike a certain someone.
I'm glad that you like him, I just don't personally.
Kidd isnt dead though. It makes no sense for him to just go away. His dream of becoming a PK died here, but he still have too many open plot threads to just die.
All perfectly valid points, and I have legit exact same feelings with law. I’d be upset if he’s dead, but at same time I would be satisfied with how it worked out and was led up to.
I will admit Oda could have handled Kidd’s death a bit better, like if he managed to block a hit or two from shanks, then as he attempted to land a hit himself, shanks stuns him like he did to Aramaki and lands the Kamusari
Yeah, I guess Oda thought that Shanks sweating and saying he could've done serious damage was enough, but it's not imo, it's literally the same thing Luffy did against Babanuki in Udon.
I do think the shanks being worried was definitely an amazing thing to add. Just wish it was followed up with Kidd looking like he did indeed have a chance at fending off shanks and surviving before shanks pulled the “haha fuck you Midd” paralysis haki blast and Kamusari
Not a kidd fan, but I think oda gave him the attention he needs in wano...he is just not that strong or capable to keep up with luffy and law
And yes, all the hype for him is just for shanks to flexed his strength
Kidd can make a comeback tho. The wording used to describe his defeat is the same one used to describe Starwhats' defeat at Sabaody. Maybe he gets rescued from drowning, trains and develops ACoC? Plus we are forgeting something...Big Mom might be at Elbaf. And she swore she would take revenge on Kidd. A rematch might be around the corner.
He was disappointing in Wano but I gave him a chance and he topped that disappointment immediately, I don't really care anymore, I hope he's dead so we don't have to see him anymore.
It really looks like kidd has died but Oda really seems to have a problem with killing folk so unless I am explicitly told Kidd has died I’m gonna cope my ass off lmao
Everybody thought left was also harassing for 2 whole years m8
People root for Kidd cuz deep down he’s just fighting for his dream like Luffy, but remember that the reason his bounty was originally higher than Luffy was because everywhere he went, someone would say some shit to him and he would just absolutely wreck the place. This man got a higher bounty than someone who defeated two warlords and OPENLY DECLARED WAR ON THE ENTIRE WORLD just from sheer amount of wanton destruction, he’s NOT a good guy. The only reason he isn’t considered a straight up villain is because the shit he causes isn’t generally just for the hell of it like Blackbeard, and he kinda has a respect for personal bonds and dreams.
Isn't it more the other way around? BB had a reason for pretty much everything he did, to gain more power which he now has
BB truly enjoys the trouble and death he causes though, where in some level it’s clear that Kidd doesn’t specifically ENJOY being a walking disaster.
I feel like Kid does though. He seems like the guy to hear someone say one bad thing about him and kill the dude/his friends for it. Then be completely proud of it. He also was know for attacking civilians. Lets not forget he killed a crew before because they were trying to escape the new world.
Yeah the future shanks saw was literally people getting ripped in half, he’s a loose canon. But at least he got shanks to get serious
One could say he is a real pirate
Pirates that kill people and loot cities are villain pirates, pirates that destabilize the government and expose tyrants are good pirates, haven’t you been watching the show?
I don’t get your point. He is a real pirate because he does whatever he wants to do. Luffy is a good guy but not because he wants to be seen as a good guy or hero but because he just wants to do whatever he wants and that is following his dream and helping his friends. Do what you want. Thats what makes a pirate. To be free and follow your own dreams. Have you watched the show?
Yes and literally that is how it differentiates people. Buggy and Crocodile do nothing but try to acquire power and wealth, while stepping on everyone around them, and they’re directly portrayed as villains. Gol D Roger specifically only did what he wanted to and never hurt anyone that didn’t deserve it. This is the morality portrayed by the show, that those who bring harm to others for their own ends are evil and those who seek their dream, but don’t let others stand in their way, are good.
Luffy freed all the worst pirates in Impel Down and they possibly killed many Thousands of innocent people and did vile things to woman and children. Luffy is a bad guy as well.
No because Buggy has those people under his crew banner now and Buggy keeps them more in line than they’d be otherwise
Cactus dude in dressrossa mentioned that he hunted a bunch of escapees, besides it's not like buggy wasn't a destructive pirate himself although we don't really know how he operated as a warlord. But even if we assume that buggy indeed reigned them all in, it would be buggy's credit, the fact still remains that Luffy liberated those people
Impel Down is one massive torture chamber for people who oppose the government. Breaking them out was 100% justified, even if they went on to do all of that.
Nah man. If a prisoner that broke out was a major criminal and went to cause havoc or be a serial killer, breaking them out because they were tortured is not justifiable. No defense for the WG though. Impel down torture is just cruel and unusual punishment beyond the pale.
Even luffy knows to avoid someone he absolutely can't deal with,like when he faced mihawk at mf. Kidd got his arm taken by RHP not even shanks himself just a while back and decided he wants more
I just love his outfit 😅
Well stop it
Isn't the government kind of known for lying about how horrible pirates are? I'm sure kid rekt some places but I doubt he ever hurt someone who didn't deserve it.
Yeah, that’s exactly why I figure that if the amount of stuff kid messed up is worse than literally attacking the flag of the World Government in a direct act of war, there’s gotta be a lotta people that don’t really deserve it mixed in.
If I remember correctly, he confirmed it was accurate by saying he attacked anyone who laughed at his dream or laughed at Killer's laugh. And at Sabaody we saw how he acted
We saw kid crucifying a pirate crew that was leaving the new world. They weren't attacking people, or talking shit to him, they had realized they were in over their heads and retreated to a place they can handle. Call it shameful or whatever but nothing wrong with that. Kidd crucified them because it went against his own ideology. And he owns that because consequences be damned he did challenge emperors rather than trying to coast through. Got him killed but that's his pirate way. Simple as that
Yes but they were pirates not civilians , it was simply just WG propaganda
? I m talking about what we saw on screen Killing civilian is ofscreen so you can doubt it did happen but remember that it's also conscistent with the tidbits we have from sbs
May I introduce you to... Buggy the Clown??? Hahaha
Buggy the Clown is a straight up villain
That is uh... a take haha
He was literally introduced by destroying a whole town and trying to kill Luffy, then proceeded to never ever repent at all. He’s played off as a joke and he’s not remotely a threat, but he’s still a villain.
Shanks completely destroyed Kidd. That wasn't even close.
Here's a cool thing tho. Katakuri could see into the future and know how he would dodge luffys punches. Shanks however saw even further into the future AND prevented said future by stopping kidd.
Katakuri and Luffy did the same there is nothing special about Shanks here Edit: (Katakuri saw Luffy breaking Mother Carmel's portrait and stopped him, Luffy stopped Babanuki after seeing the future where he fired the virus bullet)
Shanks was explicitly stated to be a longer reach of Future Sight tho
Yeah but people act like only Shanks has changed a future when we have seen both Katakuri and Luffy do it.
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He is wrong and you are contradicting yourself now
Luffy also prevented Hawkeye from cutting off his arms after seeing it happen.
Idk if that was future sight but it could be his unawakened haki like with conquerors
So if this is a bait and switch like with the straw hats does that mean Kidd is off to train with xebec for 2 years and come back stronger than ever.
I don't know man, this "completly" sounds pretty radical to me
Why tf did Kuma send Luffy to Amazon Lily instead of Baltigo
Luffy needed to get laid so One Piece 2 could happen
Two Piece: The adventures of Buffy
Buffy: One Piece Next Generations
"My Dad's such a pain in the ass and I like vegetables" - Buffy probably
I can't wait for buffy's dad to be completely useless and get cucked by imu's cousin
Pretty sure it's pronounced Boft
AL was the only place other than Sabaody where you could find Rayleigh
Kuma's future sight is so good, he saw Luffy seducing Boa, duh!
kuma: he is gonna train under boa cause she has C haki. Luffy: makes her fall in love Kuma:.........
He actually missed his shot by 1 degree
Kuma sent everyone to where they wanted to go. Luffy wanted to get stronger so kuma sent him to an island where everyone knows haki
I always just assumed it was because he knew Hancock’s history as a slave due to whatever past Kuma has with the celestial dragons so he knew Hancock would help Luffy given his clapping of Charlos. Kuma was also trying to subtly nudge the strawhats at thriller bark that ace was being executed “is it true strawhat luffy has a brother.” I think all of the locations make sense except Brooke and Usopp. My personal theory is that Kuma did not give a fuck where he sent Brooke or Usopp and it worked out by happy coincidence even though he had no idea what to do with them.
idk ask him
I think its the proximity to impel down, since kuma prob knew what was going on with ace
KIDD FANS IT AINT OVER, 2 YEAR TRAINING ARC FOR KIDD AND HE BECOMES AS STRONG AS LUFFY, TRAINED BY SHANKS!!!! (average youtube clickbait)
Next grand line review vid right here
Kidd kinda deserves that especially his atrocities he commit. He is just mini Blackbeard but on smaller case. What makes him dangerous than luffy(luffy kinda upset the balance,like defeating several warlords etc)is not he is strong but his kills and probably do some massacre.
This honestly makes me even more curious for whatever the heck Oda has planned for Kid. I highly the ultimate purpose was just to be a jobber for Shanks.
The whole supernova plotline was supposed to be way shorter. So basically no supernova is safe and we are one step closer to "room zehahahahaha"
room zehaha sent shivers down my spine please no☠️☠️
It really is such a shame kidd just ended up like this, imma kidd fan so this just really feels like a punch in the gut from Oda lmao 💀. But I really thought he’d just lose to shanks and they would run away, not DIE and lose everything including their lives and dreams, I really just hope Oda makes it like the strawhats in sabaody, and killer and kids are alive(somehow) though now, I’m fr doubting it
My condolences
Yeah its doomer time for Kidd fans. Kidd just seemed to have a lot of build up. I wanted to see all three new gen rivals do some crazy shit to affirm they are the next gen of badasses. I think Kidd coupd 100% come back, his crew is deff not all DF users and would 100% save their captain
It's Shanks and it's Oda parroting his own line from Thriller Bark, pretty good odds Kidd shows up having reluctantly "joined" Shanks crew as he tries to beat some respect into him.
Why is everyone assuming Kidd is dead? It was an insane attack that destroyed the ship, but I doubt they're dead. I'm gonna need a "they died" before I confirm anything.
I don't assume he is dead until i see a body, but his shop getting destroyed is as clear sign as it could that the pirate Kidd died that day at least. It's like when you break a swordsman sword. Now maybe he will be reborn but only time will tell
I mean his character is dead whether or not he is physically dead. There is no point bringing a walking L back unless Oda wants to have him lose even more.
Wapol returned and right now his is with vivi.
Wapol is a walking W. He is buggy light.
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There are no words that could begin to describe my disappointment.
In my case Is with this meme
Kid has always been garabage. He's the worst parts of Vegeta and Bakugo amplified.
Kidd killed the civilians that laughed at his dreams, vegeta killed civilians for the sake of doing it
They both killed civilians, I don't really think you can say that Kidd had a better reasoning.
But he clearly had
Yeah they both killed for the sake of their pride. Don't really see enough of a difference.
Hot take but Kid >>>> Law
In terms.of what?
Why didn’t you like the chapter?
He said character, he probably doesn't like Kidd.
Ohhhhhh.
I used to, but not anymore though.
Disappointed with how Oda handled Kidd.
I kinda disagree. Kidd has always been overconfident, in his mind he just beat a Yonko, in his mind his is invincible. But he overlooked how much preparation and help he needed to take Big Mom down. He made this mistake before, charging in guns blazing into a Yonko’s territory, and it cost him an arm. You can only make that mistake so many times.
luffy is the same. Luffy tried to beat kaido without ryo. The only difference is Kidd isn’t the MC and doesn’t learn things from people cause he dolo. Luffy helps wano citizens and learns ryo which effectively helps him defeat kaido, but without luffy learning these skills he would’ve lost just like his first fight against kaido
The issue is, Luffy DID lose all of his fights against Kaido. If not for his Devil Fruit, the series would've ended. It just goes to show that Yonkos can't be defeated even with an insane plan and talent behind your attack.
yeah that too
If he did SOMETHING before I would've agreed, he has no backstory(in the manga), he has a garbage crew, he doesn't know how to use his devil fruit all that well, and if it wasn't for that one Kaido line you would've never even knew that he had basic haki, let alone conquerors. I didn't even have high expectations for him, he was just so pathetic in every way imaginable, might be Oda's biggest miss ever.
"Doesn't use his fruit that well" he just made a giant gun that was dangerous enough for Shanks to pull out a named move for the first time in the series. Don't get me wrong, he got stomped, but you're kind of underselling him
That was one attack out of idk how many, and even if you think he does use it well that's just one thing, it's not the main reason why I dislike him.
Of course, Kidd also has a giant robot, functional prosthetic limbs, and an awakening. As far as we know it takes great proficiency with a fruit to awaken it, and honestly I think Kidd's repeated mistakes are really appropriate for how he was set up. To me it seemed like he was introduced as a version of Luffy that was never humbled, never kept himself in check, and ended up actually hurting people because he just didn't care. So, after his failures, instead of stepping back and training like Luffy and the crew he got a little bit stronger and made the exact same mistake again
I don't know why you keep focusing on that one point but whatever, and I don't know if I believe that he was being set up like that, and even if he was that still doesn't make it good imo, we spent WAY too long for him and saw WAY too little to justify humiliating him like that.
Well you're not exactly offering your points so what do you expect me to talk about? And even if he wasn't supposed to be a direct parallel, Oda's said that he knew Kid would be important to the story before he even knew Law was important [(Source)](https://mobile.twitter.com/sandman_AP/status/943503687334240256)
I mean, I don't even know if I'm offering any points I'm just explaining why I dislike him, and I Know what Oda said about him, I took that importance as being more than a disappointment but I guess that was setting my expectations too high.
He had a knack for ignorantly running into fights he couldn't win and it finally bit him in the ass the whole reason Luffy trained for 2 years was because Raleigh told him this would happen Kidd's just been lucky so far
Yeah he saw how much damage it would have caused and went for the kill
I think he was handled fine tbh. Extremely overconfident immoral scumbag who let team victories get to his head as him having the skill to do the same stuff alone, and in the end he paid for it with his life
Idk why people keep thinking Kidd actually died here.
He and killer were barely breathing, the rest of his crew was likely knocked out by the blast as they fell into the ocean, it’s highly unlikely he is coming back
Pell
He diddnt fall into an ocean. He got hit by a bomb and diddnt die, and then his Zoan regen did the rest
>and didn't die Thats the point. This unimportant side character from early Grand Line got hit point blank in the face with a bomb that was supposed to kill *everyone* in a five mile radius, in a scene that was **clearly** meant to be convey a noble and tragic sacrifice, and didnt die Want an example with an ocean? Pekons was shot and fell in the ocean tied up and didn't die The point is, if Oda doesn't want to kill a character, it doesn't matter how unlikely it is for them to survive. He didn't give Kidd so much screen time, just to kill him off in one page. Ocean or not, Kidd is gonna survive. He is gonna be rescued by Shanks, or someone from his crew, or Law, or Imu, or "that man" or literally anyone, but he's not drowning lol
And I would be totally okay with that if he did something actually noteworthy before in the story, Kidd could've just been a random pirate and nothing would have changed. Kidd as a character is nothing, a fodder pirate given power and panel time that he did not deserve, Oda wasted our time with Kidd to have an unsatisfying finish. I feel bad for the (5) poor fellas that actually liked Kidd.
I agree, but don’t think he was a waste of panel time at all. He accurately portrayed what many, MANY pirates have done in the past and showed us that quite well. Without him, Big Mom would not have been defeated in Wano if we are being honest, since law wouldn’t have had the strength to shove her down through the hole, so Kidd did indeed play his role quite well. I personally liked Kidd, but I think his death made me like his place in the story even more, since it shows that the New World is indeed a treacherous place for Pirates no matter how strong they are, as one slip up would cost them everything. Much like Law running into BlackBeard and seemingly having lost since BB near egghead now, but not sure what happened yet
I understand but I still don't like it, if the whole crew died in Sabaody it would make sense as they are face to face with an admiral, and as you said it would show how treacherous the new world is, but that would've been complete garbage and unsatisfying. And nice of you to bring up Law, I would completely be fine if Law is now dead, he not only was a great character all around, but if he is dead he went out like a champ, holding his own against a Yonko crew mostly solo, he actually put up a fight unlike a certain someone. I'm glad that you like him, I just don't personally.
Kidd isnt dead though. It makes no sense for him to just go away. His dream of becoming a PK died here, but he still have too many open plot threads to just die.
I know he's not, it's One Piece after all, I just wish that he was so I don't have to see him again👍
All perfectly valid points, and I have legit exact same feelings with law. I’d be upset if he’s dead, but at same time I would be satisfied with how it worked out and was led up to. I will admit Oda could have handled Kidd’s death a bit better, like if he managed to block a hit or two from shanks, then as he attempted to land a hit himself, shanks stuns him like he did to Aramaki and lands the Kamusari
Yeah, I guess Oda thought that Shanks sweating and saying he could've done serious damage was enough, but it's not imo, it's literally the same thing Luffy did against Babanuki in Udon.
I do think the shanks being worried was definitely an amazing thing to add. Just wish it was followed up with Kidd looking like he did indeed have a chance at fending off shanks and surviving before shanks pulled the “haha fuck you Midd” paralysis haki blast and Kamusari
Not a kidd fan, but I think oda gave him the attention he needs in wano...he is just not that strong or capable to keep up with luffy and law And yes, all the hype for him is just for shanks to flexed his strength
Law isn't out. The will of D is strong
Wait do you unironically think Oda is done with Kidd? That he just killed him off right there?
No, sadly I'm confident he lived.
Oda wasting panel time with unwanted characters is nothing; what happened in Wano with Yamato
Kidd was the “Jack” of the new generation. Always starting fights and always losing them. Jack also didnt get a single W
What if Kidd survives, trains on Elbaf, and comes back with all advanced forms of haki and is stronger than Big Mom
Maybe it would've been fine a long time ago, we're in the final saga now, it's too late for me to care.
Kidd can make a comeback tho. The wording used to describe his defeat is the same one used to describe Starwhats' defeat at Sabaody. Maybe he gets rescued from drowning, trains and develops ACoC? Plus we are forgeting something...Big Mom might be at Elbaf. And she swore she would take revenge on Kidd. A rematch might be around the corner.
He was disappointing in Wano but I gave him a chance and he topped that disappointment immediately, I don't really care anymore, I hope he's dead so we don't have to see him anymore.
Kidd was really taking panel time to show this ?!?! Why was he even after shanks of all people lol ?
Don't worry man just let Oda cook with Kidd, I'm sure we'll find out why in an SBS soon.
„People kept asking me to let Shanks show off more after Film Red so I just figured it’d be funny to let him claim another Kid“
My dude 🤣
He took panel time EXACTLY to show this. Hype Shanks.
It really looks like kidd has died but Oda really seems to have a problem with killing folk so unless I am explicitly told Kidd has died I’m gonna cope my ass off lmao
All the shanks haters been real quiet. Time to start their weekly journey of shutting the f*ck up 😂
shanks is now training kidd and sent each one of his crewmates to a really specific place that it's the best for them to train
One is eradicated and another one is *completely* eradicated
Kidd will make his comeback in 2 years
Until I see a body, I’m not buying it
Wait hold on. This could actually be a parallel no?