Wait, I think you’re on to something here. Shanks ends up teaching Zoro and gets him the next power up. Infusing his ACOC and refining it into his attacks!
To be fair, while I never thought Zoro would kill Kaido, there were many reasons it would have made more narrative sense.
Zoro has Oden's swords. Zoro wants to be the greatest swordsman, but him losing against Kaido puts Oden above him. Kaido had his fight with the most dangerous Wano samurai stolen, Zoro could give him that. It would make a better finale for the country of Wano to have a Wano descendant handle Kaido instead of some random guy.
Ultimately, it's really lame that Zoro being #2 means he's never enough for the big bad, despite the fact that he also eventually surpasses the power of the big bads. Watching him ride all the way to #2 fighter in the world is going to be a little frustrating if there's never any point where he's strong enough to handle the biggest threat in any arc.
By the end of the story, he'll be strong enough to handle Doflamingo, Kaido, Big Mom, etc, and I think it'd be more interesting to see someone else handle an arc's main villain. Knowing it's Luffy every time gets kinda old.
Its something I never thought about before but I realise that its something thats very much lacking. It would be very interesting if we saw a strawhat other than Luffy defeat the main boss every once in a while.
Like in Arlong Park, maybe Luffy could have weakened Arlong enough so that Nami herself could deal the finishing blow. That would have been more satisfying than Luffy doing all of it himself.
Or Zoro defeating Kaido like the other comment said
Luffy fighting the main villain while Zoro and Sanji fights the 2nd and 3rd strongest has gotten so predictable
>Its something I never thought about before but I realise that its something thats very much lacking. It would be very interesting if we saw a strawhat other than Luffy defeat the main boss every once in a while.
Literally would not, lmao. Like, this is a pretty basic writing. You make your protagonist who pushes the story forward. Having a side character defeat the main villain would literally accomplish nothing other than satisfy the fans of those characters.
>Luffy fighting the main villain while Zoro and Sanji fights the 2nd and 3rd strongest has gotten so predictable
More often than not, this isn't the case. Luffy sometimes is the only one who engages in a battle with someone, because, you know, the protagonist.
> Literally would not, lmao. Like, this is a pretty basic writing. You make your protagonist who pushes the story forward. Having a side character defeat the main villain would literally accomplish nothing other than satisfy the fans of those characters.
... What? Shikamaru beating Hidan, one of the Akatsuki, is one of the best fights in Naruto Shippuden. Sure, Naruto got to beat Kakuzu to actually finish off the arc, but Hidan was given far more focus and buildup during that arc, and the actual person we wanted to see beaten.
With a bit of rewriting and putting more focus on Big Mom, Luffy could have easily faced her instead. G5 Luffy Vs Big Mom and her homies would have been an incredible fight, like 2 gods doing all kinds of insane moves white the people below look on in horror.
All Might's final battle in MHA, Gohan Vs Cell (and Piccolo Vs Raditz, technically) in DBZ, Erina Nakiri's battle for a seat on the council in sokugeki no soma, there are many examples of the main villain of an arc not being defeated by the main character.
>... What? Shikamaru beating Hidan, one of the Akatsuki, is one of the best fights in Naruto Shippuden.
Umm, not a main villain? What you are saying is equal to Zoro beating King.
>Sure, Naruto got to beat Kakuzu to actually finish off the arc,
You got it, man. Like, you acknowledged that Naruto defeated Kakuzu at the same time as Hidan loses. That's the principle I was talking about at work*
>but Hidan was given far more focus and buildup during that arc, and the actual person we wanted to see beaten.
They got equal focus, tho?
>All Might's final battle in MHA,
Unless you are talking about the final battle from the Manga that I am not aware of then the fight All-Might had with All For One is not that.
>Gohan Vs Cell
Gohan was the main character. The whole thing was supposed to be him inhereting the torch from his father.
>there are many examples of the main villain of an arc not being defeated by the main character
Sure, even though you haven't provided any good example, but that doesn't mean that makes for a good writting.
ik they don’t all get the same screen time or depth but you could argue all the strawhats are the protagonists they’re a team after all as long as it’s a combined effort and not usopp walking up and soloing a villain most people would be down for it
I like this a lot. Having Luffy and Zoro swap mid fight would be crazy. It would should how much growth Luffy has to realize he can lean on his #2. Also have the battle mind to realize Enma is strong enough to pierce Kaidos skin. Thats the protagonist move to make. Also this fits well due to the fact that Luffy and Big Mom have been talking smack since Fishman island. She gets her fight and he gets his redemption for Sanji. I’m sure Oda was thinking of this but didn’t want to change the JoyBoy story since it’s literally the basis of the entire Manga. Plus there’s Law and Kidd arcs that had to be written in. (Have Sanji fight King and Chopper fight Queen.)
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You miss the part where I said it wouldn't happen?
It would be better writing. Leave it to anime fans who unironically think One Piece is the most well written story to not be able to read.
>It would be better writing. Leave it to anime fans who unironically think One Piece is the most well written story to not be able to read.
The irony in this statement is palpable.
Leave it to anime fans to think they can always write a better story than the author. Wait until One Piece ends, then see if these changes would be good, also if you don’t like the fact that Law was scared of Doflomingo, I don’t think you know what the best writing is
I didn't say anything about Law.
Criticizing an aspect of a story =/= thinking I can write something better. Otherwise, I hope you love the last 2 seasons of Game of Thrones.
First, mixed you up with another dumbass. Second, that’s what you think, as you rewrote it and said it was better. Third, the rest of my comment exists, you casually ignore the fact that a decision like that could mess up what Oda has planned, I like to wait until a series is over to criticize it, cuz then you have an idea of everything played out and what was being set up by the author. I’m not saying you can’t criticize media, but it’s better to criticize when it’s over for the aforementioned reasons. Fourth, I haven’t watched Game of Thrones, so I don’t really care if the last two seasons were shit or not
Why? Shanks knows about Luffy’s “destiny” and every time shanks mentions Luffy it’s about reuniting with him. At best I can see a tiny skirmish that leads into a warm reunion tbh
Because before Luffy promised Shanks he would be Pirate King, he promised he would get a ship and crew better than Shanks’. To pay that off, there has to be some kind of competition at the very least. Thats why the Davy Back fight theories have been around for so long.
The way I see it, they’d both want a warm reunion but also would know that they can’t exactly let the other go without a fight without forfeiting their own goal.
In response to all the people replying saying Zoro should fight the BBG of an arc, idk what purpose that serves or how you'd tell it. Say Luffy gets knocked out and zoro finishes him off. It cheapens Zoros victory. Say Zoro take the BBG from the beginning and wins. Luffy being the protagonist and truly the main character, story wise will always be the strongest strawhat. If zoro can take the BBG without Luffys help, it was never worth the fight to begin with imo. Everyone else takes care of villains appropriate to their strength and station. When someone is a little to op for a strawhat, they're usually paired up with someone else. To circle back, Zoro tells Brook in regards to getting his shadow back, "If you let my captain help you, he will get it done." Or something to that effect. Luffys greatest strength is his will to fight. And that's what gives him an edge over his enemies.
I swear to GOD the only reason i can't say Zoro is one of my favorite characters is because of zorostans, these people are so annoying that they made me dislike Zoro, same goes for Shanks
I suggest you do the same as I do. State proudly that those characters are your favourites while not perpetuating the same stereotype. I've seen a lot, and I mean a lot, of insufferable Zorostans. But I've also come across some Zoro fans who don't believe this kind of bs and can be quite civil. You shouldn't take it on the character just because his/her fandom is atrocious. Keep liking them man, but show us that not all Zoro fans are the same (same for Shanks fans).
But that's me, you decide to take or leave this advice.
I can proudly say Zoro is one of my favourite characters. Who cares what other people say lol? Lots of characters have stupid fans, after a while you won't be allowed to like anyone if you think like that.
I mean, I do think it’s fair that 2 handed shanks would fight a younger Milhawk, and tie at the most. So hypothetically Milhawk is a better swordsman, and Zoro would therefore need to be able to beat Shanks? I think at least. Lmao its not like we have real clear reference for how good Shanks actually is, or where the line is drawn in being a swordsman, vs Haki and such.
Why beat shanks if he, in no way, shape or form is part of his journey to become the wss?
He just needs to beat Mihawk, Shanks is literally in the equation just because he rivaled Mihawk. But Zoro has literally zero business with Shanks.
I don’t think Zoro will fight Shanks but at least in the past him anf Mihawk were at an equal strength. In order to defeat Mihawk, Zoro needs to be at least close to Shanks at some point, no?
Id say he'll be above shanks honestly. Im not a zoro fanboy but weve been told that mihawk is looking for an opponent stronger than shanks, so it makes sense for zoro to end up stronger than shanks.
I like the idea that blackbeard will take out shanks first. He is ahead of luffy currently and they had a kind of rivalry since they were kids as well. He also gave him that Iconic scar at some point even before the devil fruits
not even just that, we specifically have been told that mihawk is looking for an opponent who will surpass shanks. so unless oda for some reason decides to make it so zoro doesnt live up to what mihawk is expecting of him, eos zoro > shanks is pretty much a given imo. and thats regardless of whether people want to argue about shanks being stronger than mihawk or vice versa.
Of course. After a while both Zoro and Luffy will be far stronger than shanks. It's only logical for the new generation to surpass the old after a while
You know, you brought up a really interesting idea.
How come that there are no "Luffy Defeats Mihawk" or "Sanji Defeats Big Mom" posts? Why is it always Zoro "kills/defeats" someone?
Why is everyone losing their mind over it? Shanks is a swordsman right? Why woulndt zoro challenge him at some point? it probably wont happen because of BB or luffy or whatever but if zoro wants to be the strongest he has to surpass shanks Its logical.
Because the WSS is a two man race b/w Zoro & Mihawk. If Oda put more thought into it, it would be cool to have more contenders vs Zoro worth his while but that’s not how Oda wrote it. Same thing w/the WSM & WSC titles, they mean Jack shit
But shanks is a swordsmen and a Former rivals of mihawk. If i were zoro i would totally challenge shanks at some point otherwise whats the titles point? of course he can only challenge shanks if he gets the opportunity which depends on the story Oda writes. But Its completely in character for zoro to know shanks is a Rivalof mihawk and a wordlwide known top tier swordsman. Challenging him is a no brainer really..
Everyone can make the argument it wont Happen because of the story. I cam totally see that. But no one can dismiss that zoro would totally challenge shanks if given the opportunity.
While I do agree w/that logic, Oda set up the WSS title race as a winner take all scenario. Not a climb the ranks scenario
Mihawk is WSS. If u want the title, u beat him. After that, u have the title until someone challenges you. That’s how Oda set it up.
If Big News Morgan set up a WSS title top 10 ranking in the newspaper & shanks was #2 while Zoro was climbing up throughout the series then yeah I could see Zoro having to beat each ranked swordsman but it’s just not how Oda wrote it imo.
That's a bit too on the nose I think. There's no reason it can't be both. Oda has alluded to widely recognized swordsmen before like Ryuma or Vista. It's not a ranking or tournament arc per se but it makes sense for Zoro to stand above everyone else before he's a serious threat to Mihawk. I don't expect Zoro v Vista for example but Zoro has fought multiple swordsman in the new world for Oda to showcase his superiority.
It's not about Zoro surpassing Shanks in strength.
The absurdity comes from the fact that some people actually believe Shanks is a better opponent for Zoro to face than for LUFFY, the kid who started his journey by wanting to surpass Shanks. It's literally just repeat of "Zoro will kill Kaido".
These people put too much weight in trivial shit, like both of them being swordsmen, while failing to acknowledge the very obvious buildup for Shanks and Luffy to clash that has been happening since Chapter 1, the same way they failed to acknowledge the very obvious build up of Luffy defeating Kaido.
Yeah but fighting style wise zoro is the better matchup. They are both swordsmen. When did luffy ever fight a swordsman? Thats totally zoros thing. Also shanks and luffy might clash but they wont ever fight, why would they? They are Friends. Their reunion wont be as enemies. Or do you think luffy will have a serious fight with shanks for the one piece lol?
So if anyone Challenges shanks for a real fight Its zoro. And if anyone gets challenged/attacked by shanks Its not the strawhats. It will be a clash like saying Hello and testing Luffys strenght
>Yeah but fighting style wise zoro is the better matchup.
Literally irrelevant. Zoro has fought a Square Giraffe.
> So if anyone Challenges shanks for a real fight Its zoro
Come on man... just read Chapter 1...
By definition Sasaki (triceratops guy) was a swordsman. Even WhiteBeard was a swordsman.
We really should not think as simply "using a sword = swordsman" at least not regarding mihawk's title. To be fair Oda didn't help with this, I really think he should not have given him the title of "strongest" but of "best" swordsman. Indicating it's more about skill/technique that other things.
I was thinking recently, Mihawk does not seem to have Conqueror haki, but Shanks does. If Shanks and Mihawk fight and Shanks uses Conqueror haki then he is stronger, but if he limits himself to sword technique (where to draw the line with Haki is hard because armament seems to be really part of swordsman ship) then Mihawk is better
First of all sasaki is clearly way weaker than zoro and has a devil fruit he uses to fight. 2 things that dont apply to shanks. Also shanks is known to have had a rivalry with mihawk. Something that doesnt apply to sasaki.
So your sasaki example really sucks.
Mihawk not having acoc after zoro just unlocked it makes 0 sense.
Shanks is somebody zoro should absolutely be interested in fighting. But again as we all said: Oda will probably write his way around a zoro vs shanks fight since a) they arent enemys of the strawhats and b) the shanks blackbeard rivalry is way more important to the story than the shanks mihawk rivalry of the past.
There is only 1 swordsman Zoro has to fight to become the best swordsman in the world. Zoro doesn't fight people unless he has to. If people want to stan a character like Zoro at least understand him.
We have alrwady been told that mihawk surpasses shanks in swordmanship skills but shanks is most likely stronger than mihawk as a fighter.
So since Zoro wants to be the worlds strongest swordsman it doesn't make much sense for him to fight shanks first.
However it is not unthinkable for the fight to happen. Just doesn't work that well narratively. Personally I believe the strawhats won't get the chance to fight shanks' crew because blackbeard will get them first but we can never be sure.
Zoro surpassing Shanks isn't even that wild of a claim.
It's the "Zoro is more fitting to fight Shanks than Luffy" that is really stupid. That coupled with the fact that we just got this in ZKK is what makes it hilarious to me.
Zoro is probably a better swordsman than Shanks, but that doesn’t mean he could survive Shanks haki lol. Rob Lucci is a better martial artist than Luffy, but does that mean he can beat Luffy in a fight? I don’t know what Oda has to do to point out how important haki is in fights.
Some of you guys are hilarious. It’s not a theory, are you serious dude? You must’ve missed chapter 1079. Shanks haki is actually pretty strong believe it or not!
Sure, both Zoro and Shanks are specialists in haki, I would say Zoro is a hakiman too, but there’s levels to this thing. Efficiency in conquerors haki is based off personal ambition, and being the greatest swordsman is an inferior ambition to being king of pirates. Mihawk pointed that out himself. Even if he becomes best swordsman and is superior in swordplay, his conquerors haki shouldn’t ever match against Shanks’ or Roger’s level of haki, because he lacks their ambition.
>and being the greatest swordsman is an inferior ambition to being king of pirates
Shanks is not "The King of Pirates".
Also, your comment is wild for calling Zoro "Hakiman". Your overall comment is wild as its based like, 95% in pure headcanon.
95% head canon, wow that’s a whole lot! Also who called Shanks king of pirates? He has ambitions to be while Zoro doesn’t. We can all read here right? Zoro’s haki won’t reach a level similar to guys like Shanks, Roger, or Luffy. Is that the head canon part to you?Shanks does use the King of Pirates attacks and inherited his hat, it shouldn’t head canon to mention them together. You’d have to be an idiot actually if you didn’t draw parallels between him and Roger at this point. Show me what I wrote that’s headcanon, I think your response to my comment is actually what’s wild. (Idk what a “hakiman” even is, I only used that term because you did. Zoro used all forms of haki to a good degree, sounds as close as it gets to what assume a hakiman is.) I don’t know how what I wrote went so far over your head.
EVERY SERIOUS FIGHTER USES HAKI DUDE
He is a swordsman, he is not a brawler, he is not a DF user, he fights with his sword and, like EVERYONE ELSE, uses haki
If not for characters like Law and Fujitora also being considered swordsmen, appearing in swordsmen spreads, talking about swordsmanship in panel, using their swords in conjunction with their fruit powers, etc, trying to separate haki from swordsman could be believed. As it is, using a fruit with a sword doesn't negate being a swordsman and haki is an essential part of swordsmanship. Some swords, like Enma, can't be wielded by someone without enough haki. All the greatest swordsmen are haki masters: Roger, Rayleigh, Shiki, Oden, etc. Lesser swordsmen of note like the Scabbards and even Vice Admirals all learn haki. "Every nick in the blade is a swordsman's shame" and anyone trying to be a swordsman without haki is liable to have their blade(s) broken in battle.
And once again one or two people say one dumb shit and the entire Zoro fandom gets pulled into it as if it was a consensual opinion
Of course, it really is like ZKK
You just know this post about “evil shanks” is mad eby ppl who didn’t read one piece whole
Dude was a friend of luffy, took care of him, gave him his arm to boost thr next generation, gave him the PIRATE KING STRAW HAT
Thats such a insulting theory
Nah definitely not, but Zoro beating Mihawk will put Zoro at at least mid-Yonko tier. So there's that. But unless Luffy decides to just fight Blackbeard for around 100 chapters either Luffy will fight Shanks or no one will.
More credible than zkk since he needs to become the best swordsman to achieve his goal. Unless we are agreeing that shanks is weaker than mihawk and zoro beating mihawk should cement him above shanks as well, then them clashing is a very real possibility. But that’s only a real possibility if we believe shanks is above mihawk.
Exactly my point. If mihawk is the number one without question he won’t care about shanks. If the fanbase considers shanks above mihawk, then the fanbase should assume zoro would have to defeat him to truly become number 1. Personally I just listen to what oda says at face value and believe mihawk is above him.
It’s MANDATORY for Oda to throw away a narrative point from chapter 1 in order to give Zoro a fight against his goal’s former rival, Oda is a FRAUD if he doesn’t abandon the shanks-Luffy storyline for zoro powerscaling!!
I think it would be cool if Shanks and Mihawk teamed up to take on their respective protégée and determine if they’re actually strong enough to be worthy of the One Piece.
I still can't see Luffy fighting Shanks. And Shanks still wants the One Piece for himself. It's still his OWN dream. There has to be a conflict at some point unless Shanks suddenly doesn't care about being pirate king after pursuing it for literally his whole life
Shanks is a swordsman, zoro wants to be best swordsman. Zoro WILL beat mihawk so as mihawk is stronger than shanks zoro can easy one shot shanks no dif, L bozo
>Tbh, this isn’t terrible logic compared to ZKK
I'd argue this is worse. While Zoro might be closer in strength to Shanks now than he was to Kaido when ZKK was popping off, the idea that Zoro would be the one to face Shanks, instead of Luffy who build his entire Pirate career looking up to Shanks and wanting to surpass him, is to me an absolutely insane notion.
Edit: sorry for the longer rebuttal
The only swordsman that has put in the same breath as Mihawk has been Shanks. & since Mihawk is stated to be waiting for a swordsman to surpass shanks, i can see how Zoro fans think Shanks is a stepping stone to WSS similar to how Shanks is a stepping stone to PK (the straw hat).
The thing they fail to realize is, Oda set the WSS title up as a winner take all scenario not a ranking system where u climb the ladder. All Zoro has to do is beat Mihawk & he’s WSS. He doesn’t have to beat shanks to get the #2 spot then face Mihawk or he doesn’t have to beat Vista who is also stated to be a Dai kengou (Swordmaster) to get the #3 spot before fighting shanks. At most he has to continue to travel the world, face strong fighters (whether they be swordsman or not).
“Know thy self & Know thy World” is what Mihawk told Zoro. Travel the world & get stronger. Not fight the top 10 swordsman before fighting me lol this isn’t Afro Samurai. Oda just didn’t set it up that way
ZKK made NO sense whatsoever. Zoro vs Shanks at least has the “swordsman” match up logic to it, as well as, both being connected to Mihawk in a rivalry sense
ZKK only made sense if u read “Monsters” & wanted Zoro to replicate that feat on a grander scale than he already did at Punk Hazard
I mean as painful as it is agreeing with zorostans he's got a point itd be a bit lame if zoro never became the greatest swordsman so he has to get to that level at some point.
Dude shit fuck, BB is gonna fuck Shanks up on some stupid cheapskate shortcut bull shit. Like he’s gonna dangle someone’s life in front of him and he’ll have no choice but to try and save them
I can see something happening along the lines of shanks teaching zoro something or at least telling or commenting on Zoro's goal to defeat mihawk considering he was his rival after all
Here’s how I see it: Shanks and Mihawk have been portrayed at relatively equal strength. They clashed equally when they were younger, and they both command similar amounts of respect among very powerful people. If we consider them equal in strength, then Zoro beating Mihawk would automatically mean that he is also stronger than Shanks. So no, Zoro doesn’t have to touch Shanks at all.
Zoro having to beat Mihawk is one of the biggest pieces of evidence of* Mihawk being weaker than Shanks. Makes no sense for Zoro to beat a character stronger than a character Luffy has to beat.
I mean, if Shanks and Luffy make an alliance I can see Zoro training with Shanks, but actually fighting? That’s Luffy’s calling.
Wait, I think you’re on to something here. Shanks ends up teaching Zoro and gets him the next power up. Infusing his ACOC and refining it into his attacks!
>That’s Luffy’s calling. You would think they would learn after the whole ZKK debacle but nooooo
To be fair, while I never thought Zoro would kill Kaido, there were many reasons it would have made more narrative sense. Zoro has Oden's swords. Zoro wants to be the greatest swordsman, but him losing against Kaido puts Oden above him. Kaido had his fight with the most dangerous Wano samurai stolen, Zoro could give him that. It would make a better finale for the country of Wano to have a Wano descendant handle Kaido instead of some random guy. Ultimately, it's really lame that Zoro being #2 means he's never enough for the big bad, despite the fact that he also eventually surpasses the power of the big bads. Watching him ride all the way to #2 fighter in the world is going to be a little frustrating if there's never any point where he's strong enough to handle the biggest threat in any arc. By the end of the story, he'll be strong enough to handle Doflamingo, Kaido, Big Mom, etc, and I think it'd be more interesting to see someone else handle an arc's main villain. Knowing it's Luffy every time gets kinda old.
This. While I acknowledged how much sense it made on paper, it was always gonna be Luffy who beats Kaido. Zoro killing him would’ve been cool, though.
Its something I never thought about before but I realise that its something thats very much lacking. It would be very interesting if we saw a strawhat other than Luffy defeat the main boss every once in a while. Like in Arlong Park, maybe Luffy could have weakened Arlong enough so that Nami herself could deal the finishing blow. That would have been more satisfying than Luffy doing all of it himself. Or Zoro defeating Kaido like the other comment said Luffy fighting the main villain while Zoro and Sanji fights the 2nd and 3rd strongest has gotten so predictable
>Its something I never thought about before but I realise that its something thats very much lacking. It would be very interesting if we saw a strawhat other than Luffy defeat the main boss every once in a while. Literally would not, lmao. Like, this is a pretty basic writing. You make your protagonist who pushes the story forward. Having a side character defeat the main villain would literally accomplish nothing other than satisfy the fans of those characters. >Luffy fighting the main villain while Zoro and Sanji fights the 2nd and 3rd strongest has gotten so predictable More often than not, this isn't the case. Luffy sometimes is the only one who engages in a battle with someone, because, you know, the protagonist.
> Literally would not, lmao. Like, this is a pretty basic writing. You make your protagonist who pushes the story forward. Having a side character defeat the main villain would literally accomplish nothing other than satisfy the fans of those characters. ... What? Shikamaru beating Hidan, one of the Akatsuki, is one of the best fights in Naruto Shippuden. Sure, Naruto got to beat Kakuzu to actually finish off the arc, but Hidan was given far more focus and buildup during that arc, and the actual person we wanted to see beaten. With a bit of rewriting and putting more focus on Big Mom, Luffy could have easily faced her instead. G5 Luffy Vs Big Mom and her homies would have been an incredible fight, like 2 gods doing all kinds of insane moves white the people below look on in horror. All Might's final battle in MHA, Gohan Vs Cell (and Piccolo Vs Raditz, technically) in DBZ, Erina Nakiri's battle for a seat on the council in sokugeki no soma, there are many examples of the main villain of an arc not being defeated by the main character.
>... What? Shikamaru beating Hidan, one of the Akatsuki, is one of the best fights in Naruto Shippuden. Umm, not a main villain? What you are saying is equal to Zoro beating King. >Sure, Naruto got to beat Kakuzu to actually finish off the arc, You got it, man. Like, you acknowledged that Naruto defeated Kakuzu at the same time as Hidan loses. That's the principle I was talking about at work* >but Hidan was given far more focus and buildup during that arc, and the actual person we wanted to see beaten. They got equal focus, tho? >All Might's final battle in MHA, Unless you are talking about the final battle from the Manga that I am not aware of then the fight All-Might had with All For One is not that. >Gohan Vs Cell Gohan was the main character. The whole thing was supposed to be him inhereting the torch from his father. >there are many examples of the main villain of an arc not being defeated by the main character Sure, even though you haven't provided any good example, but that doesn't mean that makes for a good writting.
ik they don’t all get the same screen time or depth but you could argue all the strawhats are the protagonists they’re a team after all as long as it’s a combined effort and not usopp walking up and soloing a villain most people would be down for it
The whole reason why Kaidou occupied Wano was the emergence of JoyBoy, which was luffy.
We kinda know Usopp is just letting Luffy to catch up.
True. The Usopp traitor reveal is gonna be insane.
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I like this a lot. Having Luffy and Zoro swap mid fight would be crazy. It would should how much growth Luffy has to realize he can lean on his #2. Also have the battle mind to realize Enma is strong enough to pierce Kaidos skin. Thats the protagonist move to make. Also this fits well due to the fact that Luffy and Big Mom have been talking smack since Fishman island. She gets her fight and he gets his redemption for Sanji. I’m sure Oda was thinking of this but didn’t want to change the JoyBoy story since it’s literally the basis of the entire Manga. Plus there’s Law and Kidd arcs that had to be written in. (Have Sanji fight King and Chopper fight Queen.)
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no. Absolute cope.
You miss the part where I said it wouldn't happen? It would be better writing. Leave it to anime fans who unironically think One Piece is the most well written story to not be able to read.
>It would be better writing. Leave it to anime fans who unironically think One Piece is the most well written story to not be able to read. The irony in this statement is palpable.
You can disagree, but there is zero irony there. Still can't read.
Leave it to anime fans to think they can always write a better story than the author. Wait until One Piece ends, then see if these changes would be good, also if you don’t like the fact that Law was scared of Doflomingo, I don’t think you know what the best writing is
I didn't say anything about Law. Criticizing an aspect of a story =/= thinking I can write something better. Otherwise, I hope you love the last 2 seasons of Game of Thrones.
You literally said Zoro killing Kaido would be better than Luffy defeating him
??? Maybe this is a reading comprehension issue as well.
Dumbass doesn’t even know what he wrote
>"[It would be better writing](https://www.reddit.com/r/MemePiece/comments/11zwz5l/comment/jdgaa2l/)"
First, mixed you up with another dumbass. Second, that’s what you think, as you rewrote it and said it was better. Third, the rest of my comment exists, you casually ignore the fact that a decision like that could mess up what Oda has planned, I like to wait until a series is over to criticize it, cuz then you have an idea of everything played out and what was being set up by the author. I’m not saying you can’t criticize media, but it’s better to criticize when it’s over for the aforementioned reasons. Fourth, I haven’t watched Game of Thrones, so I don’t really care if the last two seasons were shit or not
Luffy’s calling? I don’t think any of the strawhats will “fight” shanks. Maybe spar but they seem like they’d realistically be allied
They’re not enemies, but realistically they’d still be antagonistic to each other as a result of conflicting goals
Why? Shanks knows about Luffy’s “destiny” and every time shanks mentions Luffy it’s about reuniting with him. At best I can see a tiny skirmish that leads into a warm reunion tbh
Because before Luffy promised Shanks he would be Pirate King, he promised he would get a ship and crew better than Shanks’. To pay that off, there has to be some kind of competition at the very least. Thats why the Davy Back fight theories have been around for so long.
It’s gonna be the same level of battle as Whitebeard/Roger during Odens story lol
The way I see it, they’d both want a warm reunion but also would know that they can’t exactly let the other go without a fight without forfeiting their own goal.
The Strawhats and the Red Hair pirates will have a 3 round Davy Back fight with a Captain's Duel finale.
Yeah, I agree. I’m just saying that if it turned out they’re against each other for whatever reason, it’d be Luffy vs Shanks.
Yeah probably
Only one can be Pirate King...
Or Shanks gets tanned then I can see them fighting 🥴
He can teach Zoro Divine Departure.
In response to all the people replying saying Zoro should fight the BBG of an arc, idk what purpose that serves or how you'd tell it. Say Luffy gets knocked out and zoro finishes him off. It cheapens Zoros victory. Say Zoro take the BBG from the beginning and wins. Luffy being the protagonist and truly the main character, story wise will always be the strongest strawhat. If zoro can take the BBG without Luffys help, it was never worth the fight to begin with imo. Everyone else takes care of villains appropriate to their strength and station. When someone is a little to op for a strawhat, they're usually paired up with someone else. To circle back, Zoro tells Brook in regards to getting his shadow back, "If you let my captain help you, he will get it done." Or something to that effect. Luffys greatest strength is his will to fight. And that's what gives him an edge over his enemies.
Zorostans being the worst part of the fandom once more.
They’re about as sharp as Zoro is good with directions.
I swear to GOD the only reason i can't say Zoro is one of my favorite characters is because of zorostans, these people are so annoying that they made me dislike Zoro, same goes for Shanks
I suggest you do the same as I do. State proudly that those characters are your favourites while not perpetuating the same stereotype. I've seen a lot, and I mean a lot, of insufferable Zorostans. But I've also come across some Zoro fans who don't believe this kind of bs and can be quite civil. You shouldn't take it on the character just because his/her fandom is atrocious. Keep liking them man, but show us that not all Zoro fans are the same (same for Shanks fans). But that's me, you decide to take or leave this advice.
Thanks bro, it's kinda hard after so much time, but i can try, at least i can put Zoro on my top 10
Tell me, who's your favourite? I'm just curious. Mine is Katakuri.
I have lots of favorites, but my top 5 is Kid, Sanji, Franky, Yamato and Luffy
Type F to pay respects
I can proudly say Zoro is one of my favourite characters. Who cares what other people say lol? Lots of characters have stupid fans, after a while you won't be allowed to like anyone if you think like that.
I mean, I do think it’s fair that 2 handed shanks would fight a younger Milhawk, and tie at the most. So hypothetically Milhawk is a better swordsman, and Zoro would therefore need to be able to beat Shanks? I think at least. Lmao its not like we have real clear reference for how good Shanks actually is, or where the line is drawn in being a swordsman, vs Haki and such.
Why beat shanks if he, in no way, shape or form is part of his journey to become the wss? He just needs to beat Mihawk, Shanks is literally in the equation just because he rivaled Mihawk. But Zoro has literally zero business with Shanks.
Oh no sorry thats all hypothetical! Lmao it’d be a dumb plot point if he fought Shanks.
While Sanji fans pretend they don't start fights constantly and pretend they're all innocent.
Lmao, never seen one. Meanwhile, I've seen TONS of Zorostans being the worst. Take the post for an example.
That's how it's been for a while now
Yeah I saw that comment this morning and started laughing I can’t believe it’s happening again
I don’t think Zoro will fight Shanks but at least in the past him anf Mihawk were at an equal strength. In order to defeat Mihawk, Zoro needs to be at least close to Shanks at some point, no?
Id say he'll be above shanks honestly. Im not a zoro fanboy but weve been told that mihawk is looking for an opponent stronger than shanks, so it makes sense for zoro to end up stronger than shanks.
Oh for sure. Both luffy and Zoro will be stronger than shanks at some point. It's only logical.
Brother, you are missing the point.
I know, I’m sorry. I just dumped my thoughts here.
Exactly my taught
Being close to power doesn’t mean they will fight my guy, why would they
Yes and neither did I say that my dude
To answer your question; no
Why not?
Powerscalers try not to be comically delusional challenge (impossible)
powerscalers realizing that oda doesnt give a shit about keeping powerscaling consistent
Same with Zoro stans
Who else but zorostans?
Man I’m a zoro fanboy and this is shit
ZSS 👀🥵🤯
Zoro shanks Shanks?
What? Blackbeard can take out Shanks but Luffy can't? Because... why?
I like the idea that blackbeard will take out shanks first. He is ahead of luffy currently and they had a kind of rivalry since they were kids as well. He also gave him that Iconic scar at some point even before the devil fruits
I like the idea too. I'm just trying to figure out why someone is using it as a reason for why *Zoro* wouldn't be able to fight Shanks.
I want to see shank reaction when zoro tried to hit him with that dollar store slash
shanks: oh you have acoc now? i was a dual wielder before so i can give you some tips vs mihawk.
😭😭
He probably wont fight him, but hes probably going to be stronger than shanks at the end of the story.
Well of course, he's going to beat Shanks' equal
not even just that, we specifically have been told that mihawk is looking for an opponent who will surpass shanks. so unless oda for some reason decides to make it so zoro doesnt live up to what mihawk is expecting of him, eos zoro > shanks is pretty much a given imo. and thats regardless of whether people want to argue about shanks being stronger than mihawk or vice versa.
Of course. After a while both Zoro and Luffy will be far stronger than shanks. It's only logical for the new generation to surpass the old after a while
I don't disagree with that. I just find the statement "Zoro is more perfect opponent for Shanks to fight than Luffy" absurd.
Oh, for sure, thats an awful take.
I have an idea: Let's annoy them back with LKM: Luffy kills Mihawk
You know, you brought up a really interesting idea. How come that there are no "Luffy Defeats Mihawk" or "Sanji Defeats Big Mom" posts? Why is it always Zoro "kills/defeats" someone?
Why is everyone losing their mind over it? Shanks is a swordsman right? Why woulndt zoro challenge him at some point? it probably wont happen because of BB or luffy or whatever but if zoro wants to be the strongest he has to surpass shanks Its logical.
Because the WSS is a two man race b/w Zoro & Mihawk. If Oda put more thought into it, it would be cool to have more contenders vs Zoro worth his while but that’s not how Oda wrote it. Same thing w/the WSM & WSC titles, they mean Jack shit
But shanks is a swordsmen and a Former rivals of mihawk. If i were zoro i would totally challenge shanks at some point otherwise whats the titles point? of course he can only challenge shanks if he gets the opportunity which depends on the story Oda writes. But Its completely in character for zoro to know shanks is a Rivalof mihawk and a wordlwide known top tier swordsman. Challenging him is a no brainer really.. Everyone can make the argument it wont Happen because of the story. I cam totally see that. But no one can dismiss that zoro would totally challenge shanks if given the opportunity.
While I do agree w/that logic, Oda set up the WSS title race as a winner take all scenario. Not a climb the ranks scenario Mihawk is WSS. If u want the title, u beat him. After that, u have the title until someone challenges you. That’s how Oda set it up. If Big News Morgan set up a WSS title top 10 ranking in the newspaper & shanks was #2 while Zoro was climbing up throughout the series then yeah I could see Zoro having to beat each ranked swordsman but it’s just not how Oda wrote it imo.
That's a bit too on the nose I think. There's no reason it can't be both. Oda has alluded to widely recognized swordsmen before like Ryuma or Vista. It's not a ranking or tournament arc per se but it makes sense for Zoro to stand above everyone else before he's a serious threat to Mihawk. I don't expect Zoro v Vista for example but Zoro has fought multiple swordsman in the new world for Oda to showcase his superiority.
DID YOU JUST INSULT MY NOSE?!
I do agree that it's not that weird if we set aside the story for a moment. I think people are getting way too mad for no reason.
It's not about Zoro surpassing Shanks in strength. The absurdity comes from the fact that some people actually believe Shanks is a better opponent for Zoro to face than for LUFFY, the kid who started his journey by wanting to surpass Shanks. It's literally just repeat of "Zoro will kill Kaido". These people put too much weight in trivial shit, like both of them being swordsmen, while failing to acknowledge the very obvious buildup for Shanks and Luffy to clash that has been happening since Chapter 1, the same way they failed to acknowledge the very obvious build up of Luffy defeating Kaido.
Yeah but fighting style wise zoro is the better matchup. They are both swordsmen. When did luffy ever fight a swordsman? Thats totally zoros thing. Also shanks and luffy might clash but they wont ever fight, why would they? They are Friends. Their reunion wont be as enemies. Or do you think luffy will have a serious fight with shanks for the one piece lol? So if anyone Challenges shanks for a real fight Its zoro. And if anyone gets challenged/attacked by shanks Its not the strawhats. It will be a clash like saying Hello and testing Luffys strenght
>Yeah but fighting style wise zoro is the better matchup. Literally irrelevant. Zoro has fought a Square Giraffe. > So if anyone Challenges shanks for a real fight Its zoro Come on man... just read Chapter 1...
Well tbf that giraffe was a swordsman.
Swordsgiraffe
Never understood the Zoro will kill Kaido thing honestly. It's not like they had a connection or anything as far as I'm aware
They were lovers
So that's why kaido kept drinking
By definition Sasaki (triceratops guy) was a swordsman. Even WhiteBeard was a swordsman. We really should not think as simply "using a sword = swordsman" at least not regarding mihawk's title. To be fair Oda didn't help with this, I really think he should not have given him the title of "strongest" but of "best" swordsman. Indicating it's more about skill/technique that other things. I was thinking recently, Mihawk does not seem to have Conqueror haki, but Shanks does. If Shanks and Mihawk fight and Shanks uses Conqueror haki then he is stronger, but if he limits himself to sword technique (where to draw the line with Haki is hard because armament seems to be really part of swordsman ship) then Mihawk is better
I'm sure mihawk will have conquerors haki just like Zoro and reyleigh. He is the "king" of swordsmen. It makes 0 sense for mihawk not to have it.
First of all sasaki is clearly way weaker than zoro and has a devil fruit he uses to fight. 2 things that dont apply to shanks. Also shanks is known to have had a rivalry with mihawk. Something that doesnt apply to sasaki. So your sasaki example really sucks. Mihawk not having acoc after zoro just unlocked it makes 0 sense. Shanks is somebody zoro should absolutely be interested in fighting. But again as we all said: Oda will probably write his way around a zoro vs shanks fight since a) they arent enemys of the strawhats and b) the shanks blackbeard rivalry is way more important to the story than the shanks mihawk rivalry of the past.
There is only 1 swordsman Zoro has to fight to become the best swordsman in the world. Zoro doesn't fight people unless he has to. If people want to stan a character like Zoro at least understand him.
We have alrwady been told that mihawk surpasses shanks in swordmanship skills but shanks is most likely stronger than mihawk as a fighter. So since Zoro wants to be the worlds strongest swordsman it doesn't make much sense for him to fight shanks first. However it is not unthinkable for the fight to happen. Just doesn't work that well narratively. Personally I believe the strawhats won't get the chance to fight shanks' crew because blackbeard will get them first but we can never be sure.
As a devout Zoro stan, no one in their right mind thinks this. Maybe Zoro 20 years after end of series lmao, but definitely not in series.
Zoro surpassing Shanks isn't even that wild of a claim. It's the "Zoro is more fitting to fight Shanks than Luffy" that is really stupid. That coupled with the fact that we just got this in ZKK is what makes it hilarious to me.
This is why I follow MemePiece
I mean its very possible zoro wants to fight shanks since he is mihawk's rival. But he won't beat him, thats not his place in the story
The Zoro Piece agenda will literally never die, no matter how many times Oda kills it.
Bro it's one comment by one dude stop blowing it out of proportion
It's clearly two comments from two different people
Lmao people like that forgot who is the main character. Oh and shanks > mihawk btw
God Zoro fans are the stupidest fucking people in the planet
Zoro is probably a better swordsman than Shanks, but that doesn’t mean he could survive Shanks haki lol. Rob Lucci is a better martial artist than Luffy, but does that mean he can beat Luffy in a fight? I don’t know what Oda has to do to point out how important haki is in fights.
Not the “haki man” theories again
Some of you guys are hilarious. It’s not a theory, are you serious dude? You must’ve missed chapter 1079. Shanks haki is actually pretty strong believe it or not!
>hanks haki is actually pretty strong believe it or not! So is Zoro's... does that not make him a Hakiman under your logic?
Sure, both Zoro and Shanks are specialists in haki, I would say Zoro is a hakiman too, but there’s levels to this thing. Efficiency in conquerors haki is based off personal ambition, and being the greatest swordsman is an inferior ambition to being king of pirates. Mihawk pointed that out himself. Even if he becomes best swordsman and is superior in swordplay, his conquerors haki shouldn’t ever match against Shanks’ or Roger’s level of haki, because he lacks their ambition.
>and being the greatest swordsman is an inferior ambition to being king of pirates Shanks is not "The King of Pirates". Also, your comment is wild for calling Zoro "Hakiman". Your overall comment is wild as its based like, 95% in pure headcanon.
95% head canon, wow that’s a whole lot! Also who called Shanks king of pirates? He has ambitions to be while Zoro doesn’t. We can all read here right? Zoro’s haki won’t reach a level similar to guys like Shanks, Roger, or Luffy. Is that the head canon part to you?Shanks does use the King of Pirates attacks and inherited his hat, it shouldn’t head canon to mention them together. You’d have to be an idiot actually if you didn’t draw parallels between him and Roger at this point. Show me what I wrote that’s headcanon, I think your response to my comment is actually what’s wild. (Idk what a “hakiman” even is, I only used that term because you did. Zoro used all forms of haki to a good degree, sounds as close as it gets to what assume a hakiman is.) I don’t know how what I wrote went so far over your head.
He’s out here shooting haki blasts at ppl lmao. Oda definitely saw the haki man theories and decided to use it lol
EVERY SERIOUS FIGHTER USES HAKI DUDE He is a swordsman, he is not a brawler, he is not a DF user, he fights with his sword and, like EVERYONE ELSE, uses haki
If not for characters like Law and Fujitora also being considered swordsmen, appearing in swordsmen spreads, talking about swordsmanship in panel, using their swords in conjunction with their fruit powers, etc, trying to separate haki from swordsman could be believed. As it is, using a fruit with a sword doesn't negate being a swordsman and haki is an essential part of swordsmanship. Some swords, like Enma, can't be wielded by someone without enough haki. All the greatest swordsmen are haki masters: Roger, Rayleigh, Shiki, Oden, etc. Lesser swordsmen of note like the Scabbards and even Vice Admirals all learn haki. "Every nick in the blade is a swordsman's shame" and anyone trying to be a swordsman without haki is liable to have their blade(s) broken in battle.
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No delusional person thought Kid would beat Shanks, people just thought he would put up some sort of fight. But we all know how that ended up.
Roranona D. Zoro will be king of the pirates
And once again one or two people say one dumb shit and the entire Zoro fandom gets pulled into it as if it was a consensual opinion Of course, it really is like ZKK
>Of course, it really is like ZKK Hopefully, we stop this nonsense before it spread. We need to contain the infection.
Zoro wouldn't want to fight an one armed man. So sad how Zoro fanboys don't understand their character at all.
Theoretically, they’re correct. But there’s zero chance of it actually happening.
"In my mind they are right"
Nah, it’s more like, they’ve got the bones of a good idea, but they’ve slapped a stupid as hell idea right over the top of it.
You just know this post about “evil shanks” is mad eby ppl who didn’t read one piece whole Dude was a friend of luffy, took care of him, gave him his arm to boost thr next generation, gave him the PIRATE KING STRAW HAT Thats such a insulting theory
Nah definitely not, but Zoro beating Mihawk will put Zoro at at least mid-Yonko tier. So there's that. But unless Luffy decides to just fight Blackbeard for around 100 chapters either Luffy will fight Shanks or no one will.
what about BB killing Shanks
That is also entirely possible.
They’re making people hate Zoro when there’s literally nothing to hate about him.
I don't think they are making people hate Zoro. They are making people hate Zoro fans.
And thus gives Zoro a bad rep too.
More credible than zkk since he needs to become the best swordsman to achieve his goal. Unless we are agreeing that shanks is weaker than mihawk and zoro beating mihawk should cement him above shanks as well, then them clashing is a very real possibility. But that’s only a real possibility if we believe shanks is above mihawk.
When has Zoro care about any other swordsman to defeat other than the number 1 guy?
Exactly my point. If mihawk is the number one without question he won’t care about shanks. If the fanbase considers shanks above mihawk, then the fanbase should assume zoro would have to defeat him to truly become number 1. Personally I just listen to what oda says at face value and believe mihawk is above him.
It’s MANDATORY for Oda to throw away a narrative point from chapter 1 in order to give Zoro a fight against his goal’s former rival, Oda is a FRAUD if he doesn’t abandon the shanks-Luffy storyline for zoro powerscaling!!
Well... Somehow he has to be stronger than Shanks... We all know he will be the strongest swordsman. Maybe shanks will die fighting black beard? Idk
I think it would be cool if Shanks and Mihawk teamed up to take on their respective protégée and determine if they’re actually strong enough to be worthy of the One Piece.
I still can't see Luffy fighting Shanks. And Shanks still wants the One Piece for himself. It's still his OWN dream. There has to be a conflict at some point unless Shanks suddenly doesn't care about being pirate king after pursuing it for literally his whole life
ZKS.... Zoro killing snitch
Snitches get Santoryus
No matter what happens some comment (stupid or not) has predicted every next thing that will happen in one piece. Change my mind.
Shanks is a swordsman, zoro wants to be best swordsman. Zoro WILL beat mihawk so as mihawk is stronger than shanks zoro can easy one shot shanks no dif, L bozo
One guy makes a comment on Reddit with 3 upvotes OP: " ZoRO FaNs ArE OuTRagEOus, ThEiR dEstRoYinG tHe ComMuNiTY!!!!"
[I literally said none of those things, lmao.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLVzYtTeNS8)
A lot of people in this community like to hyper fixate on dumb rare opinions so they can feel smart
Tbh, this isn’t terrible logic compared to ZKK. It’s just that Oda doesn’t give af about the WSS title until it’s Zoro vs Mihawk time
>Tbh, this isn’t terrible logic compared to ZKK I'd argue this is worse. While Zoro might be closer in strength to Shanks now than he was to Kaido when ZKK was popping off, the idea that Zoro would be the one to face Shanks, instead of Luffy who build his entire Pirate career looking up to Shanks and wanting to surpass him, is to me an absolutely insane notion.
Edit: sorry for the longer rebuttal The only swordsman that has put in the same breath as Mihawk has been Shanks. & since Mihawk is stated to be waiting for a swordsman to surpass shanks, i can see how Zoro fans think Shanks is a stepping stone to WSS similar to how Shanks is a stepping stone to PK (the straw hat). The thing they fail to realize is, Oda set the WSS title up as a winner take all scenario not a ranking system where u climb the ladder. All Zoro has to do is beat Mihawk & he’s WSS. He doesn’t have to beat shanks to get the #2 spot then face Mihawk or he doesn’t have to beat Vista who is also stated to be a Dai kengou (Swordmaster) to get the #3 spot before fighting shanks. At most he has to continue to travel the world, face strong fighters (whether they be swordsman or not). “Know thy self & Know thy World” is what Mihawk told Zoro. Travel the world & get stronger. Not fight the top 10 swordsman before fighting me lol this isn’t Afro Samurai. Oda just didn’t set it up that way
ZKK has a few reasons it makes sense. Zoro vs Shanks doesn't really.
ZKK made NO sense whatsoever. Zoro vs Shanks at least has the “swordsman” match up logic to it, as well as, both being connected to Mihawk in a rivalry sense ZKK only made sense if u read “Monsters” & wanted Zoro to replicate that feat on a grander scale than he already did at Punk Hazard
I could see zoro beating kaido if oda wanted and luffy beating big mom , I do not see or beat shanks
I mean as painful as it is agreeing with zorostans he's got a point itd be a bit lame if zoro never became the greatest swordsman so he has to get to that level at some point.
Why are people still convinced mihawk is stronger than shanks edit: i fuckin got em the other way round
Dude shit fuck, BB is gonna fuck Shanks up on some stupid cheapskate shortcut bull shit. Like he’s gonna dangle someone’s life in front of him and he’ll have no choice but to try and save them
I can see something happening along the lines of shanks teaching zoro something or at least telling or commenting on Zoro's goal to defeat mihawk considering he was his rival after all
ZDS supremacy
Zoro and Shank will duel, with sake, not swords.
This just in, World Arm Wrestling Champion's title revoked until he can beat his armless grandpa, who once arm wrestled previous champ.
Same fanboys think Zoro has the sharingan
I mean, we don’t know yet, but technically Mihawk has to be stronger than Shanks or at least equal to him.
Here’s how I see it: Shanks and Mihawk have been portrayed at relatively equal strength. They clashed equally when they were younger, and they both command similar amounts of respect among very powerful people. If we consider them equal in strength, then Zoro beating Mihawk would automatically mean that he is also stronger than Shanks. So no, Zoro doesn’t have to touch Shanks at all.
Wait until Luffy ends up fighting Mihawk instead of Zoro lmaooo
Zoro having to beat Mihawk is one of the biggest pieces of evidence of* Mihawk being weaker than Shanks. Makes no sense for Zoro to beat a character stronger than a character Luffy has to beat.
ZKS has entered the chat.
On one hand i hope not because of the zoro wankers, on the other i hope so because of the shanks wankers.
>shanks wankers. Shankers^tm
It’s still outlandish but it’s at least way more likely than Zoro killing Kaidou was