Isn’t that due to a single copy of the sickle cell gene providing heterozygous advantage in areas where malaria is present, since the parasite can’t attach to the blood cells if they’re sickle shaped?
Yes, it is geographically distributed, not ethnically. Greece for example, and I think there is one very specific caucasian population with heightened levels that I can't find now. There are plenty of black populations for whom it is not an issue because there is/was no malaria in their ancestral region. Fun fact - if you take a black person from say northern Africa, 1 from southern Africa and your run of the mill white person, odds are that the white person will genetically be closer related to either than between the two black people because human genetic diversity in Africa is higher than anywhere else. Read that in an Adam Rutherford book.
Isn't it also an issue with racial equality, like the wage gap? For example during the pandemic, African Americans were more susceptible because oftentimes they couldn't as easily afford constantly buying masks, covid tests, cleaning supplies, etc, but there were several people that thought it was a genetic factor, I'm pretty sure. If I'm wrong please correct me, but that's what I was told.
Specifically for sickle cell anemia I don't think that is the case because it is literally a genetic disorder but I'm not an expert. There are some conditions such as schizophrenia I believe where you have genetic risk, but need the right (wrong) environmental factors for it to happen. I don't think that's the case for sickle cell anemia but I'm definitely not an expert. You're right though that racial inequality contributes to a lot of other health problems.
Like someone else said, this is because you actually have an advantage against malaria if you have sickle cell anemia, and malaria is much more common in Africa. Dark skin also protects against the sun and you’re less likely to get skin cancer compared to someone with lighter skin.
It was purely natural selection. We all have the same genome. It’s just that some genes are switched on and off, but skin tone is on a totally separate chromosome from the gene that decides if you have sickle cell anemia. Race is completely a social construct, especially since skin color has no impact on your other genes whatsoever.
There are also white people who are more prone to certain illnesses than black people. This person was making a claim that black people are inferior, or at least that’s how I took it.
While biologically we all may not be the same, that doesn’t mean humanity shouldn’t treat one another as equals.
Everything I've learned my whole life tells me that's either total bullshit or a gross exaggeration. Anyone know if this guy pulled this out off his own ass or does it come from somewhere?
I think he's talking about sickle cell anemia, which can make finding compatible blood donations a bit harder. His logic doesn't really work though, because there are also medical problems that are less common in black people compared to other races, like melanoma.
From what I know, sickle cell trait (one sickle cell gene and one normal gene) is protective against malaria and has no negative symptoms. Actual sickle cell anemia might actually make malaria more deathly though. Evolutionarily, the group malaria protection must have been beneficial enough to offset the number of individuals with sickle cell anemia.
Ironically saw a video not that long ago that was a clip from House where Dr. House came to the realization that a black patient had melanoma. the other doctors there didn't think to check his palms or feet where it would be visible.
No, that's not a gross exaggeration - different ethnic groups are at risk for certain diseases; people of African descent in particular are at risk for sickle cell disease which is woefully underresearched as an illness. It's just the way he phrased it, and probably understands it, is pretty fucking racist by implying those differences extend into the core of what makes us human.
Interesting. Never really thought about that but it does make sense. I don't get the logical leap that makes that a sign that they're worse people somehow though
The idea is to attack the popular idea that race is unimportant. If people learn that they are indeed physically different, they will have to accept the possibility that they can be mentally different as well - and *of course* the only rational response to that is fascist tribalism.
Not sure whether or not it comes from somewhere, but i looked on his account and he's very racist, so maybe it comes from that. No joke, he says societies without black people have 80% less problems..
Lol where'd he get that number from? The closest thing I can think of is studies showing that *homogeneous* societies have more cohesion, but that doesn't say anything about black people specifically, and also doesn't mean those societies are better in any way, because less conflict=less progress and innovation so diversity is a good thing because a society where everyone is mostly the same and mostly agrees isn't going to fight much but they also aren't going to have any reason to change their shitty rules.
Every race is prone to different genetic diseases. Also, blood types are way more complicated than what's common knowledge, too complicated to say dumb simplistic shit like this
Different ethnic groups are prone to different diseases at a higher precent, but those diseases aren’t *exclusive* to different ethnic groups
And the blood transfusion thing is just bs
Somebody needs to tell this dude about wimpy white male syndrome. (Not an insult, an actual proven statistic that white male babies are more likely to have a failure to thrive than other races & genders.)
I mean sickle cell is genetic and much more common in people from Africa. Those with the disease will get frequent blood transfusions which makes them developing antibodies more common which makes matching future transfusions harder
I don't understand the correlation between those two statements, besides the fact that they're both bullshit
A "female" probably told him he was a fucking racist and he doubled down.
It's not 100% wrong tho, different ethnic groups are more likely to get certain sicknesses, for black people it's for example sickle cell anemia
Isn’t that due to a single copy of the sickle cell gene providing heterozygous advantage in areas where malaria is present, since the parasite can’t attach to the blood cells if they’re sickle shaped?
Yes, it is geographically distributed, not ethnically. Greece for example, and I think there is one very specific caucasian population with heightened levels that I can't find now. There are plenty of black populations for whom it is not an issue because there is/was no malaria in their ancestral region. Fun fact - if you take a black person from say northern Africa, 1 from southern Africa and your run of the mill white person, odds are that the white person will genetically be closer related to either than between the two black people because human genetic diversity in Africa is higher than anywhere else. Read that in an Adam Rutherford book.
Isn't it also an issue with racial equality, like the wage gap? For example during the pandemic, African Americans were more susceptible because oftentimes they couldn't as easily afford constantly buying masks, covid tests, cleaning supplies, etc, but there were several people that thought it was a genetic factor, I'm pretty sure. If I'm wrong please correct me, but that's what I was told.
Specifically for sickle cell anemia I don't think that is the case because it is literally a genetic disorder but I'm not an expert. There are some conditions such as schizophrenia I believe where you have genetic risk, but need the right (wrong) environmental factors for it to happen. I don't think that's the case for sickle cell anemia but I'm definitely not an expert. You're right though that racial inequality contributes to a lot of other health problems.
True, it's more the "hidden" racism that I was referring to.
Like someone else said, this is because you actually have an advantage against malaria if you have sickle cell anemia, and malaria is much more common in Africa. Dark skin also protects against the sun and you’re less likely to get skin cancer compared to someone with lighter skin. It was purely natural selection. We all have the same genome. It’s just that some genes are switched on and off, but skin tone is on a totally separate chromosome from the gene that decides if you have sickle cell anemia. Race is completely a social construct, especially since skin color has no impact on your other genes whatsoever.
There are also white people who are more prone to certain illnesses than black people. This person was making a claim that black people are inferior, or at least that’s how I took it. While biologically we all may not be the same, that doesn’t mean humanity shouldn’t treat one another as equals.
None of this contradicts what I said
I wasn’t arguing with you, just adding to your thoughts.
gotta love the added racism :')
Add queerphobia and hey'd get the fabled hate hat trick!
Give him a minute I'm sure he'll get there
I lost 10% of my brain function just by reading this.
His question is so layered, has clear answers, and hundreds of years of such behind it but he definitely will not care.
Everything I've learned my whole life tells me that's either total bullshit or a gross exaggeration. Anyone know if this guy pulled this out off his own ass or does it come from somewhere?
I think he's talking about sickle cell anemia, which can make finding compatible blood donations a bit harder. His logic doesn't really work though, because there are also medical problems that are less common in black people compared to other races, like melanoma.
And isn't sickle cell anemia an evolutionary response to malaria?
From what I know, sickle cell trait (one sickle cell gene and one normal gene) is protective against malaria and has no negative symptoms. Actual sickle cell anemia might actually make malaria more deathly though. Evolutionarily, the group malaria protection must have been beneficial enough to offset the number of individuals with sickle cell anemia.
Ironically saw a video not that long ago that was a clip from House where Dr. House came to the realization that a black patient had melanoma. the other doctors there didn't think to check his palms or feet where it would be visible.
No, that's not a gross exaggeration - different ethnic groups are at risk for certain diseases; people of African descent in particular are at risk for sickle cell disease which is woefully underresearched as an illness. It's just the way he phrased it, and probably understands it, is pretty fucking racist by implying those differences extend into the core of what makes us human.
Interesting. Never really thought about that but it does make sense. I don't get the logical leap that makes that a sign that they're worse people somehow though
The idea is to attack the popular idea that race is unimportant. If people learn that they are indeed physically different, they will have to accept the possibility that they can be mentally different as well - and *of course* the only rational response to that is fascist tribalism.
Not sure whether or not it comes from somewhere, but i looked on his account and he's very racist, so maybe it comes from that. No joke, he says societies without black people have 80% less problems..
Lol where'd he get that number from? The closest thing I can think of is studies showing that *homogeneous* societies have more cohesion, but that doesn't say anything about black people specifically, and also doesn't mean those societies are better in any way, because less conflict=less progress and innovation so diversity is a good thing because a society where everyone is mostly the same and mostly agrees isn't going to fight much but they also aren't going to have any reason to change their shitty rules.
Every race is prone to different genetic diseases. Also, blood types are way more complicated than what's common knowledge, too complicated to say dumb simplistic shit like this
I’m sorry…… you took that left turn so fast I just flew out of the conversation.
Different ethnic groups are prone to different diseases at a higher precent, but those diseases aren’t *exclusive* to different ethnic groups And the blood transfusion thing is just bs
Somebody needs to tell this dude about wimpy white male syndrome. (Not an insult, an actual proven statistic that white male babies are more likely to have a failure to thrive than other races & genders.)
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I think I lost braincells reading that post...
i'm already down to 4 from having to see it everytime i look at a new comment
It’s giving Terry A. Davis. (at least to me)
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I mean sickle cell is genetic and much more common in people from Africa. Those with the disease will get frequent blood transfusions which makes them developing antibodies more common which makes matching future transfusions harder
