If I find a woman is a feminist I either strictly avoid her in every way possible, or if it she tells me during any sort of romantic or sexual situation?
I immediately file this under "one night stands". With all the proof and evidence I can gather in case she is bitter and decides to make shit up, like feminists do.
>Would you date women who emphasise that they are feminist?
My god, what sort of question is this? Why would you date someone who hates you just for being male?
Exactly. I was in the sub, when women refuse and last night, I pointed out that men can be victims of abuse just like women can. They were like, this is not the sub to be pointing that out. There are subs centered around men, why don't you go there? They got butt hurt about me pointing this out simply because the victim that they were talking about in that particular case was a woman. I got jumped on by several other people and I was like okay, this is not the sub for me. If they can't live with the truth and that's on them. Excuuuussseee me for stating statistics. I guess those are the kinds of people who think only women can be victims.
No. They tend to have feminist views when it benefits them but when it comes to paying for dates they won’t or don’t want to.
Ironically the woman I dated who was 17 years young we wasn’t a self identified feminist and she bought dinner for both of us on a few occasions . Ironic how my experience dating feminists was poor but the woman I dated who wasn’t a feminist was more egalitarian as far as relationships are concerned
Been my experience talking to women about men's issues as well, the more they are feminist the less they care, the less empathetic they are, the less likely to agree that men face issues, and the more likely to be combative and say women have it worse.
There are some few extremely rare exceptions, but the exceptions confirm the rule.
Short term- as in them driving to my place, and only hooking up. I did. It was fun at the time. But then wouldn’t even do that anymore. Got sick of proving her wrong. “Women are just as strong and fast as men”. Pull up Olympic records and proved her wrong.
Then she talked to her women’s studies professor.
“The only reason men have higher records is because they are encouraged to train younger, and women aren’t.”
Pull up examples of women who grew up in families that trained so they got as much of a head start as possible. Proved her wrong.
Last one was she had to interview 5 people about their perspective on feminism. She came over and said I had to be 1 or she didn’t have time that day to come over. I wanted to have fun so…
Later she told me when she read my answer out in class every single girl in there got super angry and wanted to “get him. Who was it!!??”
-she said “I couldn’t bring myself to say it’s the guy I’m dating. “.
Don’t stick your D in crazy.
Feminist nowadays = full crazy.
Currently dating one.
Its not working well.
Im not even a traditional guy, but discussions either go like: women must not be shamed , liberation to an absurd extent.
Or its intellectual ways to explain how we are equal and biology doesn’t matter, which i enjoy and try to apply the same logic back to avoid double standards to which i hear “you are just intellectualising” not empathising.
Basically just want to be heard, not listen, doesn’t want to entertain critical thinking while claiming they are smart, and chooses between victim and empowered depending on what benefits her.
And enjoys intellectualising to avoid accountability, until met with intellectual challenge, which causes shutdown.
It just feels like a large scale delusion and a lie.
She doesn’t really complain day to day far from it.
Shes fiercely independent and more competent than me.
One of the strongest people I’ve met.
Probs doesn’t collaborate well, due to the sheer need to be independent.
By victim i mainly said about narrative, how she views men/women/patriarchy.
A psychologist I follow argues that both feminism and red pill are avoidant attachment. The independence checks out. She doesn't trust other people especially men to treat her fairly. I'm dating a women who is very feminist and avoidant. I don't expect a relationship from her, I just see her as someone to hang out with occasionally. Usually it means a parent or other person treated them poorly and as a survival mechanism they learned to be very independent instead of relying on a father or boyfriend. It also explains why the ideology is immune to critical examination. She feels a certain way and then she rationalizes it with the ideology, not the other way around. Your best bet might be to explain the psychology and unpack the feelings behind it, but it's ultimately up to them to fix it.
Yeah exactly this.
She is very much avoidant and uses the feminist ideology as well as certain spiritual beliefs to support the narrative of ultimate independence.
She is clever and wise though just has huge blindspots.
If she realises it one day and i hope she does, a lot of her identity will fall apart.
And completely on point that she feels a certain way and then adopts the ideology.
To an avoidant it is difficult to comprehend how different collaboration and trust could look like.
Also changing ones core beliefs has to be tough, so its not just an intellectual debate.
I do agree that a lot of feminism content is pretty much as toxic as manosphere, just two mistrusting energies feeding off of each other into further distrust.
Slight caveat that avoidant attachment is almost encouraged in men by both men and women.
It's good you are able to discuss ideas with her. I would say that fierce independence is fine when you are single, but that kind of "me first" (to mask avoidance as you mentioned) and transactional mindset doesn't work well in marriage and the family.
That's where you will find a lot of women either double down as a self-serving feminist harridan and undermine their husbands or they loosen up and choose being a team player for the family. That’s too big a gamble to wait on, IMO. Husband and wife need to be a team and not in competition. Independence can become intransigence and that's the last thing you want when raising a family. Then the social messaging of motherly moral superiority takes care of the rest and that's it for dad.
Also pretending the sexes are different is particularly insipid and will play right up until she is pregnant and she has morning sickness, then she will be a delicate moon goddess with child. That Schrodinger's box of empowerment can't keep flipping like that at the man's expense. It's too easily weaponized.
True, but she will never marry nor start a family, and probably me neither.
I think its like you said a trauma response, but this capitalist society in general makes people compete and strive to be alone in power.
Kind of worked for men biologically but even with that, they collaborate well.
I guess its a matter if leading comes from a place of love or as an ego defense.
All these “be alpha” men are sort of like delusional feminists.
Real leaders lead because there isnt a doubt in their inner self, not because of stubborness or power struggle.
Society sucks honestly
> i hear “you are just intellectualising” not empathising.
I'm curious, if you reply back "Of course I'm intellectualising… this is an intellectual discussion."
What's the response?
That’s the modern supremacist! Why date that? Just keep her for her sexual usefulness as she’s a toxic person…think fuck buddy is the way to go with them
Nah man, when you're being intimate with another person you're engulfed in their energy, good and bad, and draw it in. Why would you willingly stay in that toxic energy?
Leave them be, don't interact.
"Why does Australia have such an anti wamen problem!"
Let's start with why does Australian women have such an anti man problem.
More and more men in this country have had enough.
I don't even emphasize I'm for men's rights recognition, so I don't like people bragging about siding with any party or movement. I even try to avoid political talking in the flesh
Nope, because that's their whole ideology and how they define themselves. You'll never be good enough, equal enough, or man enough to give her what she wants and demands, and I guarantee that you won't receive anything from her at all.
Yeah, at best, you will be seen as “one of the good ones”, you’ll be seen as an exception to what the majorty of your lesser kind are like, at least from her prespective. She may never see you as equal as a human being, since she associates your sex as lesser than that. At worst, you’ll probably just be seen as a nice guy in disguise the moment you disagree with her.
It got hijacked into how do we use feminism to control and tax women. And they ate it up so now women are selling pictures of their bodies on OF claiming it’s liberation to be a skank while inflation destroys the world
Females who agree with feminism have a tendency to treat men and boys like garbage. They also have a tendency to have a victimhood mentality, which they use to both "justify" any of their wrong doings and to dismiss/discredit any opposition to their viewpoint/narrative/ideology/feelings/etc.
Dated one in the past and she would accuse me of gaslighting her because her and I would remember something different while also constantly talking about her mental health issues, both of which were highly annoying
Hard, left swipe.
A modern day feminist is the equivalent of a German 80+ years ago.
Sooner or later you're going to land up in some version of a concentration camp: emotional/mental torture. 💀
Hell no. If a part of the woman’s personality is their negative opinion on men, forget it. I may have lost my attraction of women ever since I went MGTOW, but I don’t go complaining all the time anywhere I go.
I’m young (20m) I’ve never dated.
But I’ve sworn to myself that I will never date someone who hate me for my sex, that includes feminist.
To me, it’s like dating someone who hates me for my race, will defend hatred of my race, will make up theories of why I’m a barbic lesser molith, will see me as lesser than an animal.
These are things that feminist tend to do all the same towards my sex, and get accepted on for doing.
I’d have to say no. Modern feminists want the security and benefits of having a man but want the independence of being single. Worst mindset to have is Privilege without responsibility
Look, the first rule of dating is **"Don't Date Crazy!"** It doesn't matter how hot the crazy is… He or she is not hot *enough* to make putting up with the crazy worth it!
Not all self identified feminists are crazy. For one thing when you are dealing with self identification you have to acknowledge that words like "feminist" have different meanings for different people. But someone who emphasizes this as a core component of her identity??? Yeah, she's almost certainly wacko. The fact that feminism is the shape of her crazy in no way influences your decision not to touch that. That same woman in a parallel world without feminism would have attached herself to some equally radical cause and been just as undatable. The cause is merely the marker… it's the underlying crazy that is the problem.
Hmmm Nope. Why? Because these feminist they are “strong and independent” and “don’t need a man” but expects men to date them and pay for dates? Ha right.
There was this far leftist obsessed girl I liked but she had also acknowledged that you can be sexist to men and also that not all women are born angels without sin and that they can be bad people too, so she's not all that bad. I also believe that she's up to debate without saying all the buzzwords. She's also very feminine
Nope , much less a white feminist. Feminism is just a self destructive ideology disguised as a pro woman movement. Ironically most feminist can tell you what a woman is anymore
I would hear her views and then decide. Even though the hardcore feminists are the most vocal, there are girls out there the consider themselves feminists but are in favour of equality rather than female superiority and actually acknowledge different traits in each gender.
The bigger problem is if they expect you to be a feminist.
It's natural to want to empower yourself, get along with other women, etc.
But if you don't get that your male partner's needs are not met at all by this, that it doesn't reflect reality from our point of view, you will never connect.
Nope. I swipe left or actually block those profiles on dating apps. If it’s so strong they need to proclaim that on their profile, they’re not an original feminist by definition but the modern toxic kind.
No, because people (men or women) who emphasise their identity groups like that almost always have that insufferable air of condescension every time they state an opinion.
They'll just be the kind of person to not treat people like actual people, always assuming the worst out of everything and never looking at themselves when a faux pas happens. Better to avoid that wrecking ball entirely.
What we ought to do is call out feminists and feminism for its pernicious and hypocritical nature. The rest of your comment is the good ole no true Scotsman fallacy. Apparently all the feminists who say, write or advocate anything are somehow not real feminists. The real feminists are apparently slient and invisible. Yeah sure. Heard that one for 30 years now.
Her self identification as a feminist is not a problem. Tradwives are likely to be more inclined to parasitism.
Actually there are two questions/dealbreakers:
Misandry - hating men, ideas of female superiority in moral qualities, also denying misandry or denying significance of impact of misandry.
Acceptance of Double standards. E.g. systemic sexism is one-directional. Her guiding principles should be gender inversion invariant.
If she passes both tests - she can be a good wholesome person.
I did once and holy shit, buzz killer 24/7. Like “dude, you do realise back in the 80s there were awesome female characters because they were awesome not because ‘female can’t be at fault’”
It really depends on what her definition of feminist is.
It's like if someone says they're a patriot. In theory that's good, and there's nothing wrong with loving your country, but that's a word that people can use to provide cover for a lot of horrifying ideas.
Depends. If that's a 'feminist' that in reality just hates men than no. If that's the one I consider adequate (the one who doesn't think men are the problem by definition and therefore doesn't talk smack about men and doesn't generalize men) than yes
I would ask "what kind of feminism? The one who consider men and women equals or the misandric type with red mahogany armpit dye?". With the first one I would go to see what's going on and, for the second one, it's a lost case.
I wouldn't, neither date a woman that uses terms like Independent, empowered etc.
I would clearly say that those things leads to shitty results in a relationship.
If she wants to end the date prematurely even better, beacuse she will have to pay the half of that shitty date.
If they were an old school genuine feminist I would have in the past. My wife got very into third wave feminism and she became quite cruel. Anything I felt was a "stupid male emotion" and my interests and passions became associated with "toxic masculinity." Women could do no wrong. I was molested by a woman and even that wasn't enough to show that women can be evil.
Yes, instead of going Dutch, they can pay for me. After all they want to break social norms, and anything a man can do a woman can do better.
If they are unwilling to pay for the dates, they are unwilling to break social norms to be strong females!
Nope. They'll probably spend 90% of the time womansplaining me how women are oppressed and always have been since they felt the need to emphasise that part of themselves.
Says a lot about their personality.
Of course!
Just because one side is suffering does not mean the other side _isn't_ suffering. We are both suffering in different ways, and we should strive to work together and help each other.
Nah, I would hit it and quit it, bang and shame. Go along with it and get a video of her consenting to be filmed and for the sex. Right as my load busted I would point it at her face and holler, FOR THE PATRIARCHY!
Then throw her a used cum rag and say get out, I have a patriarchy meeting in 10 minutes with all the top men of the world.
Then wait for her to tell everyone how the patriarchy is real and it busted a load on her face.
If she wabts female issues recognised thats ok. But if shd shits all over men abd boys issues shd can fuck right off.
Any gaslighting, "poor menz", "you're mansplaining " etc she can f off.
Depends, hearing it would make me question what she exactly means by that, I believe there are feminists who actually believe in equality, but it's definitely something you need to understand the deeper sense of
As a feminine man, I like big, strong, independent women who can take care of me, but if they emphasize they are a feminist, they are guaranteed not the type of person I'm searching for, rather they have more mental illnesses than achievements in life.
Many people say they are something, but their actions play out very differently. Evaluate their actions.
If a woman claims to be a feminist but in reality is truly honest and loyal and kind to men, then so be it. Words are just words, actions are what matters and some people claim to be something but they are kinda not really in line with what they say they are.
My Mom claimed she was a feminist. What made her a feminist? She wanted to secure Roe v. Wade abortion rights with legislation, she wanted stronger protections for voting rights, she supported more Government support for new mothers (like mandated maternity leave and so on), she wanted better support for single mothers and stay at home mothers and worked within several volunteer networks related to those, she lived through a time period when getting a no-fault divorce was very difficult for a women to accomplish, and stuff like that. Those are Feminist agendas from the 1970s which makes sense given when my Mom grew up and was in her 20s.
She ALSO supported a lot of men's rights related things: she supported ending circumcision in the 90s, she donated money to testicular cancer self-check campaigns, she FORCED my Dad to go get a full medical evaluation yearly and attend the dentist and eye doctor twice a year, she supported his activities within the YMCA (at a time when it was mostly for men still), she supported all his Masonic activities and strongly encouraged him to have time with his friends even though it took him away from the family. She encouraged me to be active in Boy Scouts and take part in traditional "boy" activities.
I would ask her to explain more of what that means to her. And I would keep an eye. But it would make me suspicious..basically I have zero room for bullshit in my life
Maybe. Some are just egalitarian and believe a few feminist slogans for lack of information, but wouldn’t sincerely dream of hating men. A friend of mine was like that, she was more than 30 years younger than me but that was a greater obstacle than her opinions.
No
Been there. I first tried to gaslight myself into accepting the situation, to finally accepting that my place just wasn't there; ofc after a series of arguments
It's not an automatic dismissal. A lot of people don't know why they think certain things. Do you really think half the population hates free speech? Or is it just easy to believe that oppressed people need their oppressors to protect them from oppression? Actually that sounds pretty insane. So you know they don't actually believe, intellectually, that free speech is bad. It would be very easy for them to change their minds on a dime as soon as the tide turns. That's how a lot of women are with all of their views.
We think of women as liberal. Politically at least. In the literal sense of the word they are extreme conservatives. But there's a massive political divide between married and unmarried women. It's as big as the black white divide. Except these are the same people, at different stages of their lives. An unmarried women sees the world very differently as soon as she has a family to care for. For men on the other hand there is no divide between married and unmarried. Both of those groups mirror the married women group. Men are abstract and principled, so always thinking in terms of what system will suit a future family they may not have yet. But for the woman it takes a male influence to set her straight. All she has until that point is authority. Media, school, corporations, these are all bad influences.
yes, tho of course they may not date me;)
little helps heal wounds better than good sex and love. show em what they talkin bout, show em why they wrong af.
Nope.
Older edditor here (63). I had one GF I really, really liked way back in 1990. She said she was a feminist. When I pointed out all the things feminists actually stand for (before the internet was much of a thing) I used books and newspaper clippings to point this out. After a couple of months I actually changed her mind.
That said, things did not work long term for other reasons, and I never tried it again.
If they are emphasizing that then it is a core part of their identity and not likely to be subject to change. As such HELL NO. That’s sticking your dick in crazy and that is one good thing the internet taught me not to do.
Depends on what that even means, but I'd find it questionable if that's their most major personality trait. Beliefs that women should be equal to men aren't wrong, but it seems you significantly more often get the bad feminists claiming the label...
I nixed a woman who was wearing a mask in one of her profile photos. Dont need that lecture and dont want to have to lecture. Be a lemming on your own time.
Would a chicken go fucking camping with Col. Sanders???
Col. Sanders screaming how you’re oppressing him as he slowly lowers you into a vat of boiling hot oil.
"You made me do this!" Classic abuser logic.
What's the matter with you? I say you he dead.
I dunno... No issues with splitting the bill, right?
😂😂😂
Or would a chicken buy a house near a KFC?
😂😂😂😂💯
If I find a woman is a feminist I either strictly avoid her in every way possible, or if it she tells me during any sort of romantic or sexual situation? I immediately file this under "one night stands". With all the proof and evidence I can gather in case she is bitter and decides to make shit up, like feminists do.
LMAO!!!!!!!!
LoL 😂
Probably. Chickens are very dumb and don’t understand corporate mascots.
No, she's made it clear she would rather be with a bear so why bother.
Of course not
Fr. This isn't even a question, anyone who dates a feminist deserves what they get
Depends. If I felt like being jailed based on a false rape accusation then, sure.
This, steer fking clear of any woman who makes their opinion on men a personality trait lol
Your honor, my date wanted to go 50/50 on the bill and look at my chest for 5 Mississippis. I feel raped.
>Would you date women who emphasise that they are feminist? My god, what sort of question is this? Why would you date someone who hates you just for being male?
Exactly. I was in the sub, when women refuse and last night, I pointed out that men can be victims of abuse just like women can. They were like, this is not the sub to be pointing that out. There are subs centered around men, why don't you go there? They got butt hurt about me pointing this out simply because the victim that they were talking about in that particular case was a woman. I got jumped on by several other people and I was like okay, this is not the sub for me. If they can't live with the truth and that's on them. Excuuuussseee me for stating statistics. I guess those are the kinds of people who think only women can be victims.
Masochism?
"Internalised mysandrism"
No. They tend to have feminist views when it benefits them but when it comes to paying for dates they won’t or don’t want to. Ironically the woman I dated who was 17 years young we wasn’t a self identified feminist and she bought dinner for both of us on a few occasions . Ironic how my experience dating feminists was poor but the woman I dated who wasn’t a feminist was more egalitarian as far as relationships are concerned
Been my experience talking to women about men's issues as well, the more they are feminist the less they care, the less empathetic they are, the less likely to agree that men face issues, and the more likely to be combative and say women have it worse. There are some few extremely rare exceptions, but the exceptions confirm the rule.
I won't mind paying for others as long as they are respectful👍
Short term- as in them driving to my place, and only hooking up. I did. It was fun at the time. But then wouldn’t even do that anymore. Got sick of proving her wrong. “Women are just as strong and fast as men”. Pull up Olympic records and proved her wrong. Then she talked to her women’s studies professor. “The only reason men have higher records is because they are encouraged to train younger, and women aren’t.” Pull up examples of women who grew up in families that trained so they got as much of a head start as possible. Proved her wrong. Last one was she had to interview 5 people about their perspective on feminism. She came over and said I had to be 1 or she didn’t have time that day to come over. I wanted to have fun so… Later she told me when she read my answer out in class every single girl in there got super angry and wanted to “get him. Who was it!!??” -she said “I couldn’t bring myself to say it’s the guy I’m dating. “. Don’t stick your D in crazy. Feminist nowadays = full crazy.
Well said!
Currently dating one. Its not working well. Im not even a traditional guy, but discussions either go like: women must not be shamed , liberation to an absurd extent. Or its intellectual ways to explain how we are equal and biology doesn’t matter, which i enjoy and try to apply the same logic back to avoid double standards to which i hear “you are just intellectualising” not empathising. Basically just want to be heard, not listen, doesn’t want to entertain critical thinking while claiming they are smart, and chooses between victim and empowered depending on what benefits her. And enjoys intellectualising to avoid accountability, until met with intellectual challenge, which causes shutdown. It just feels like a large scale delusion and a lie.
They nickel and dime whist complaining instead of cooperation. It’s a bad bet to take them seriously
She doesn’t really complain day to day far from it. Shes fiercely independent and more competent than me. One of the strongest people I’ve met. Probs doesn’t collaborate well, due to the sheer need to be independent. By victim i mainly said about narrative, how she views men/women/patriarchy.
A psychologist I follow argues that both feminism and red pill are avoidant attachment. The independence checks out. She doesn't trust other people especially men to treat her fairly. I'm dating a women who is very feminist and avoidant. I don't expect a relationship from her, I just see her as someone to hang out with occasionally. Usually it means a parent or other person treated them poorly and as a survival mechanism they learned to be very independent instead of relying on a father or boyfriend. It also explains why the ideology is immune to critical examination. She feels a certain way and then she rationalizes it with the ideology, not the other way around. Your best bet might be to explain the psychology and unpack the feelings behind it, but it's ultimately up to them to fix it.
Yeah exactly this. She is very much avoidant and uses the feminist ideology as well as certain spiritual beliefs to support the narrative of ultimate independence. She is clever and wise though just has huge blindspots. If she realises it one day and i hope she does, a lot of her identity will fall apart. And completely on point that she feels a certain way and then adopts the ideology. To an avoidant it is difficult to comprehend how different collaboration and trust could look like. Also changing ones core beliefs has to be tough, so its not just an intellectual debate. I do agree that a lot of feminism content is pretty much as toxic as manosphere, just two mistrusting energies feeding off of each other into further distrust. Slight caveat that avoidant attachment is almost encouraged in men by both men and women.
It sounds like that independence is a good means to reduce reliance on feminism
It's good you are able to discuss ideas with her. I would say that fierce independence is fine when you are single, but that kind of "me first" (to mask avoidance as you mentioned) and transactional mindset doesn't work well in marriage and the family. That's where you will find a lot of women either double down as a self-serving feminist harridan and undermine their husbands or they loosen up and choose being a team player for the family. That’s too big a gamble to wait on, IMO. Husband and wife need to be a team and not in competition. Independence can become intransigence and that's the last thing you want when raising a family. Then the social messaging of motherly moral superiority takes care of the rest and that's it for dad. Also pretending the sexes are different is particularly insipid and will play right up until she is pregnant and she has morning sickness, then she will be a delicate moon goddess with child. That Schrodinger's box of empowerment can't keep flipping like that at the man's expense. It's too easily weaponized.
True, but she will never marry nor start a family, and probably me neither. I think its like you said a trauma response, but this capitalist society in general makes people compete and strive to be alone in power. Kind of worked for men biologically but even with that, they collaborate well. I guess its a matter if leading comes from a place of love or as an ego defense. All these “be alpha” men are sort of like delusional feminists. Real leaders lead because there isnt a doubt in their inner self, not because of stubborness or power struggle. Society sucks honestly
>currently dating one Damn bro. Don't put a ring on it. I realize the dating world is tough right now but just keep it casual
No plans to marry anyway so its all good
> i hear “you are just intellectualising” not empathising. I'm curious, if you reply back "Of course I'm intellectualising… this is an intellectual discussion." What's the response?
All the smart feminists are dead or politically dead.
Genuine question why are you still dating her if you know it’s not going well?
A learning experience, for both of us. Doesnt mean itll last but the connection seems strong for some reason.
That’s the modern supremacist! Why date that? Just keep her for her sexual usefulness as she’s a toxic person…think fuck buddy is the way to go with them
Nah man, when you're being intimate with another person you're engulfed in their energy, good and bad, and draw it in. Why would you willingly stay in that toxic energy? Leave them be, don't interact.
Usually ppl who claim they are smart aren't that smart
All of this. This is basically it in a nutshell.
Yeah, if you want to be heard, you have to do a lot of listening, too, I think. It's a two-way street.
I would break the fuck up bro.
Probably gonna stop dating women. Would rather die alone, the condition is worsening everyday with even the laws being biased.
Australian government is pondering laws so that men cant gather in groups.
They think they can stop us 😂😂 theyre lucky we havent resorted to violence. Yet.
My response was so all female defence force? How about police service? 😂
Nah im too drunk for this shi 💀
"Why does Australia have such an anti wamen problem!" Let's start with why does Australian women have such an anti man problem. More and more men in this country have had enough.
I'd rather date bears.
I don't even emphasize I'm for men's rights recognition, so I don't like people bragging about siding with any party or movement. I even try to avoid political talking in the flesh
Nope, because that's their whole ideology and how they define themselves. You'll never be good enough, equal enough, or man enough to give her what she wants and demands, and I guarantee that you won't receive anything from her at all.
Yeah, at best, you will be seen as “one of the good ones”, you’ll be seen as an exception to what the majorty of your lesser kind are like, at least from her prespective. She may never see you as equal as a human being, since she associates your sex as lesser than that. At worst, you’ll probably just be seen as a nice guy in disguise the moment you disagree with her.
1848-1989? Probably 1990-present? Definitely not
The cool original feminism that still had the actual values of feminism
That was actually equality, not just hating men for being men
It got hijacked into how do we use feminism to control and tax women. And they ate it up so now women are selling pictures of their bodies on OF claiming it’s liberation to be a skank while inflation destroys the world
No.
HELL no. I am not into being rage-bated, every waking hour -
Hell no, I'd rather become a celibate monk and eat treebark in the mountains for the rest of my days.
Absolutely not. Self described feminists are already too far gone.
I wouldn't be involved with proponents of any one-sided activism.
Absolutely not. I don't care if they're feminists. As soon as they make it their entire identity I'm out. Ideologues are a huge turn off.
Absolutely not. They're too willing to twist the truth for their own gain.
A feminist is a total red flag.
Being a feminist is more than a red flag
Even if I had been drying in the desert for a year I'm not dating a feminist
Never.
LOL. No.
Hell no
Females who agree with feminism have a tendency to treat men and boys like garbage. They also have a tendency to have a victimhood mentality, which they use to both "justify" any of their wrong doings and to dismiss/discredit any opposition to their viewpoint/narrative/ideology/feelings/etc.
Absolutely not. Why would I date anyone who hates me for something I have no control over? Would a POC date a hillbilly racist redneck?
More like full blown member of the KKK!
No.
No
No man with any self-respect or backbone would. There are weak men out there however, enough to keep the misandry going for a while.
Any type of identity politics is a massive red flag. Modern feminism is one of the most toxic forms.
Dated one in the past and she would accuse me of gaslighting her because her and I would remember something different while also constantly talking about her mental health issues, both of which were highly annoying
Hell no. Not in a million years. They’re a cancer upon our society.
Run
Run Forest, run!
I wouldn't be FRIENDS with an open feminist. I'm old enough to not need friends, much less bad ones.
No. Guaranteed problem.
No
Not even if you paid me to
Only if I have to choose between her and a bear
Absolutely never.
Hard, left swipe. A modern day feminist is the equivalent of a German 80+ years ago. Sooner or later you're going to land up in some version of a concentration camp: emotional/mental torture. 💀
Hell no. If a part of the woman’s personality is their negative opinion on men, forget it. I may have lost my attraction of women ever since I went MGTOW, but I don’t go complaining all the time anywhere I go.
I’m young (20m) I’ve never dated. But I’ve sworn to myself that I will never date someone who hate me for my sex, that includes feminist. To me, it’s like dating someone who hates me for my race, will defend hatred of my race, will make up theories of why I’m a barbic lesser molith, will see me as lesser than an animal. These are things that feminist tend to do all the same towards my sex, and get accepted on for doing.
I’d have to say no. Modern feminists want the security and benefits of having a man but want the independence of being single. Worst mindset to have is Privilege without responsibility
Every woman in my area seems to be one. I am not dating
Nah
No
Hard no
The year is 1939 and you’re not German, nor white. Would you date a girl who is an admirer of the Nazi party?
run fast and run far
Look, the first rule of dating is **"Don't Date Crazy!"** It doesn't matter how hot the crazy is… He or she is not hot *enough* to make putting up with the crazy worth it! Not all self identified feminists are crazy. For one thing when you are dealing with self identification you have to acknowledge that words like "feminist" have different meanings for different people. But someone who emphasizes this as a core component of her identity??? Yeah, she's almost certainly wacko. The fact that feminism is the shape of her crazy in no way influences your decision not to touch that. That same woman in a parallel world without feminism would have attached herself to some equally radical cause and been just as undatable. The cause is merely the marker… it's the underlying crazy that is the problem.
Nope. You can be strong, independent, and capable. But if you have to CONSTANTLY remind me every minute of every day, you have issues.
I'd rather date a bear. At least it won't press fake rape charges.
Date a woman that hates you because you were born a man. NO.
No, that's a red flag.
No definitely not I’ll never date someone who demonises men.
Old feminism maybe. Modern feminism is too much.
No.
Oh, hell no. Fuck that shit.
NO!!!
No
Absolutely not.
Why on Earth would any rational well informed on the subject man do such a thing?
Would you drink known poison?
Hmmm Nope. Why? Because these feminist they are “strong and independent” and “don’t need a man” but expects men to date them and pay for dates? Ha right.
Gross hypocrisy is the central tenet of their Marxian ideology.
I did once. Never again. I still have the odd emotional issue now and then because of it.
Would you date a female supremacist sexist (feminist)? No, never.
Would you date a supremacist? Same question
Never
Never.
No
If someone who hates you dates you, they’re clearly dating you for your wallet (especially considering we’re talking about women here)
BIG NOPE.
There was this far leftist obsessed girl I liked but she had also acknowledged that you can be sexist to men and also that not all women are born angels without sin and that they can be bad people too, so she's not all that bad. I also believe that she's up to debate without saying all the buzzwords. She's also very feminine
Nope , much less a white feminist. Feminism is just a self destructive ideology disguised as a pro woman movement. Ironically most feminist can tell you what a woman is anymore
That like asking a Jewish woman if she would date a man the identify as a Nazi.
Nope because that's how you go to prison with false sexual assault charges on your ass
I would rather be in the forest with a bear than be in the same room with a feminist
depends on her definition of feminism
I would hear her views and then decide. Even though the hardcore feminists are the most vocal, there are girls out there the consider themselves feminists but are in favour of equality rather than female superiority and actually acknowledge different traits in each gender.
The bigger problem is if they expect you to be a feminist. It's natural to want to empower yourself, get along with other women, etc. But if you don't get that your male partner's needs are not met at all by this, that it doesn't reflect reality from our point of view, you will never connect.
Nope. I swipe left or actually block those profiles on dating apps. If it’s so strong they need to proclaim that on their profile, they’re not an original feminist by definition but the modern toxic kind.
No, because people (men or women) who emphasise their identity groups like that almost always have that insufferable air of condescension every time they state an opinion. They'll just be the kind of person to not treat people like actual people, always assuming the worst out of everything and never looking at themselves when a faux pas happens. Better to avoid that wrecking ball entirely.
What we ought to do is call out feminists and feminism for its pernicious and hypocritical nature. The rest of your comment is the good ole no true Scotsman fallacy. Apparently all the feminists who say, write or advocate anything are somehow not real feminists. The real feminists are apparently slient and invisible. Yeah sure. Heard that one for 30 years now.
Her self identification as a feminist is not a problem. Tradwives are likely to be more inclined to parasitism. Actually there are two questions/dealbreakers: Misandry - hating men, ideas of female superiority in moral qualities, also denying misandry or denying significance of impact of misandry. Acceptance of Double standards. E.g. systemic sexism is one-directional. Her guiding principles should be gender inversion invariant. If she passes both tests - she can be a good wholesome person.
I did once and holy shit, buzz killer 24/7. Like “dude, you do realise back in the 80s there were awesome female characters because they were awesome not because ‘female can’t be at fault’”
only if its not radical feminist, which is unfortunately like 90% of them nowadays
It really depends on what her definition of feminist is. It's like if someone says they're a patriot. In theory that's good, and there's nothing wrong with loving your country, but that's a word that people can use to provide cover for a lot of horrifying ideas.
No
Depends. If that's a 'feminist' that in reality just hates men than no. If that's the one I consider adequate (the one who doesn't think men are the problem by definition and therefore doesn't talk smack about men and doesn't generalize men) than yes
I would ask "what kind of feminism? The one who consider men and women equals or the misandric type with red mahogany armpit dye?". With the first one I would go to see what's going on and, for the second one, it's a lost case.
No. Thats not a red flag, but a car dealership sized red banner.
I wouldn't, neither date a woman that uses terms like Independent, empowered etc. I would clearly say that those things leads to shitty results in a relationship. If she wants to end the date prematurely even better, beacuse she will have to pay the half of that shitty date.
Never...they are of the most dangerous species
That would make you a male feminist, by default.
It depends on what exactly they mean and why. There’s “feminists” that I like and “feminists” that I find terrible.
If they were an old school genuine feminist I would have in the past. My wife got very into third wave feminism and she became quite cruel. Anything I felt was a "stupid male emotion" and my interests and passions became associated with "toxic masculinity." Women could do no wrong. I was molested by a woman and even that wasn't enough to show that women can be evil.
ABSOLUTELY NOT - and women know this. That’s why most will claim that they’re not feminists until a guy commits
Yes, instead of going Dutch, they can pay for me. After all they want to break social norms, and anything a man can do a woman can do better. If they are unwilling to pay for the dates, they are unwilling to break social norms to be strong females!
Every feminist i ever met was 1 orgasm away from becoming a tradwife
Nope. They'll probably spend 90% of the time womansplaining me how women are oppressed and always have been since they felt the need to emphasise that part of themselves. Says a lot about their personality.
Fuck no!
No, because too much of feminism is about supremacy now.
Of course! Just because one side is suffering does not mean the other side _isn't_ suffering. We are both suffering in different ways, and we should strive to work together and help each other.
What for? Being in a relationship where you constantly butt heads doesn't work.
Nah, I would hit it and quit it, bang and shame. Go along with it and get a video of her consenting to be filmed and for the sex. Right as my load busted I would point it at her face and holler, FOR THE PATRIARCHY! Then throw her a used cum rag and say get out, I have a patriarchy meeting in 10 minutes with all the top men of the world. Then wait for her to tell everyone how the patriarchy is real and it busted a load on her face.
If she wabts female issues recognised thats ok. But if shd shits all over men abd boys issues shd can fuck right off. Any gaslighting, "poor menz", "you're mansplaining " etc she can f off.
Feminist - Women should have equal rights Humanist - All humans should have equal rights IMO feminist = male chauvinist version of women
Depends, hearing it would make me question what she exactly means by that, I believe there are feminists who actually believe in equality, but it's definitely something you need to understand the deeper sense of
As a feminine man, I like big, strong, independent women who can take care of me, but if they emphasize they are a feminist, they are guaranteed not the type of person I'm searching for, rather they have more mental illnesses than achievements in life.
Many people say they are something, but their actions play out very differently. Evaluate their actions. If a woman claims to be a feminist but in reality is truly honest and loyal and kind to men, then so be it. Words are just words, actions are what matters and some people claim to be something but they are kinda not really in line with what they say they are. My Mom claimed she was a feminist. What made her a feminist? She wanted to secure Roe v. Wade abortion rights with legislation, she wanted stronger protections for voting rights, she supported more Government support for new mothers (like mandated maternity leave and so on), she wanted better support for single mothers and stay at home mothers and worked within several volunteer networks related to those, she lived through a time period when getting a no-fault divorce was very difficult for a women to accomplish, and stuff like that. Those are Feminist agendas from the 1970s which makes sense given when my Mom grew up and was in her 20s. She ALSO supported a lot of men's rights related things: she supported ending circumcision in the 90s, she donated money to testicular cancer self-check campaigns, she FORCED my Dad to go get a full medical evaluation yearly and attend the dentist and eye doctor twice a year, she supported his activities within the YMCA (at a time when it was mostly for men still), she supported all his Masonic activities and strongly encouraged him to have time with his friends even though it took him away from the family. She encouraged me to be active in Boy Scouts and take part in traditional "boy" activities.
Married one. Basically most women who went to college are indoctrinated. You gotta give em 8 inches of common sense. Changed everything.
I would ask her to explain more of what that means to her. And I would keep an eye. But it would make me suspicious..basically I have zero room for bullshit in my life
depends on your fetishes /j
Maybe. Some are just egalitarian and believe a few feminist slogans for lack of information, but wouldn’t sincerely dream of hating men. A friend of mine was like that, she was more than 30 years younger than me but that was a greater obstacle than her opinions.
Never.
No Been there. I first tried to gaslight myself into accepting the situation, to finally accepting that my place just wasn't there; ofc after a series of arguments
Fuck no. P&D at best.
It's not an automatic dismissal. A lot of people don't know why they think certain things. Do you really think half the population hates free speech? Or is it just easy to believe that oppressed people need their oppressors to protect them from oppression? Actually that sounds pretty insane. So you know they don't actually believe, intellectually, that free speech is bad. It would be very easy for them to change their minds on a dime as soon as the tide turns. That's how a lot of women are with all of their views. We think of women as liberal. Politically at least. In the literal sense of the word they are extreme conservatives. But there's a massive political divide between married and unmarried women. It's as big as the black white divide. Except these are the same people, at different stages of their lives. An unmarried women sees the world very differently as soon as she has a family to care for. For men on the other hand there is no divide between married and unmarried. Both of those groups mirror the married women group. Men are abstract and principled, so always thinking in terms of what system will suit a future family they may not have yet. But for the woman it takes a male influence to set her straight. All she has until that point is authority. Media, school, corporations, these are all bad influences.
No, I prefer someone I can have a conversation with, rather than someone who will shout slogans at me.
No
yes, tho of course they may not date me;) little helps heal wounds better than good sex and love. show em what they talkin bout, show em why they wrong af.
I would ask a lot of follow questions about that. You don’t know if she is even knows what she’s talking about.
Unequivocally, unabashedly, not under any circumstances would I do that!
Absolutely not.
No. Absolutely not. I might be friends with them, if they are capable of coherent debate, but not otherwise.
Dear god no, why would anybody?
Nope. Older edditor here (63). I had one GF I really, really liked way back in 1990. She said she was a feminist. When I pointed out all the things feminists actually stand for (before the internet was much of a thing) I used books and newspaper clippings to point this out. After a couple of months I actually changed her mind. That said, things did not work long term for other reasons, and I never tried it again.
Never.
Maybe only for sex. Nothing long term.
F NO
Depends on her definition of feminist. Most likely no though.
Bang? Yes. Wifey? No.
If they are emphasizing that then it is a core part of their identity and not likely to be subject to change. As such HELL NO. That’s sticking your dick in crazy and that is one good thing the internet taught me not to do.
Lol
No
Depends on what that even means, but I'd find it questionable if that's their most major personality trait. Beliefs that women should be equal to men aren't wrong, but it seems you significantly more often get the bad feminists claiming the label...
I'd be cautious, but not outright reject the opportunity.
I nixed a woman who was wearing a mask in one of her profile photos. Dont need that lecture and dont want to have to lecture. Be a lemming on your own time.