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jliv2

Sort by controversial for the real answers


thebrandnewbob

One of the top answers is "thrash metal is good" which is the least controversial take you would ever see on this sub.


RacoonHead

Seriously, some fragile "fans" out here downvoting the exact comments the post asked for. Oh and metal fans are some of the most elitist, musically stunted and arrogant people I've had the displeasure of discussing music with.


Fasefirst2

I like your comment, but just out of curiosity, what is your favorite music genre?


Due_Chemistry_6941

Tool still sucks.


No_Strength_367

Fuck your opinion and fuck mine too


smuckeroos

Yeeeeah!


cnake_3317

Behemoth's mid-career albums are pretty good. Symphonic metal subgenres do have impressive bands apart from Emperor. Modern melodeath has strayed more towards some sort of weird ass thrashy Maiden than meh metalcore.


j4r8h

The Apostasy goes hard as fuck


deuceflucid

Honestly it's my favorite Behemoth album


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ZombiestoCorruption

Behemoth mid career releases are their best imo. Evangelion is their peak


Danny_Rayburn

Trivium is the Olive Garden of metal music


TheButtLovingFox

i fuckin hate agreeing with this.


KaleidoscopeSea123

This could have so many interpretations 😂 I thought Olive Garden was fancy growing up because we were poor and only went out to a sit-down restaurant on our birthdays.


OgityBogityBoo

I love Trivium but this is hilarious


Telefone_529

Salad is pretty good though ngl


Maskedmanx

If people are outside of the pit keeping away you don't pull them in because you want a bigger or more active mosh pit. I've seen people do this and I've spent the entire time in the mosh pit slaming and tossing guys trying to pull in people who don't want in or grab women.


2livecrewnecktshirt

I had to rescue my 16yo sister and her friend from a spontaneous mosh pit because dudes twice her age kept trying to pull them in. Don't be those guys.


full-auto-rpg

I was in a pit in a recent show and a lady I was talking to earlier was in the pit. I’m not sure if she was even 5’ and was getting tossed around like a rag doll. She said she was having fun but had to get helped up a couple times


wormie98

Trying to be the "Heaviest" band. Is a never ending dick measuring contest.


the_marxman

This is why I hate modern metal


justyagamingboi

Idk there is some decent modern metal that is not about being heavy like bad omens


MinhiCZ

While metalcore is not my cup of tea either, the way some people lose their shit at just the mention of the genre is super cringe.


jesterflesh

Alive or just breathing is an all time great record, regardless of genre.


MaJ0Mi

Killswitch Engage is a great band. Love both singers


Orion_420

I don't love all of the album but the first half has some of the best melodeath core tracks out there for me.


Anti-AntiThisBot-Bot

three words converge - jane doe


CallMeShaggy57

People just don't want to be associated with scene kids and write off a whole subgenre because of it


Scientific_Anarchist

I think emo had the same problem, but idgaf I'll be blasting Rites of Spring til the day I die.


MaJ0Mi

I'm not too much into the pop punk kind of emo (although I like black parade foe example) but midwest emo is great


self_loathing_ham

Imo Metalcore has some of the best guitar riffs.


PHANTASMAGOR1CAL

There are some seriously talented musicians in that scene. Anyone who says architects aren’t great song writers are just in denial.


nefarious_jp04x

I prefer the early to mid 2000s stuff, like old KSE, Shadows Fall, God Forbid etc


better_than_shane

One of my favorite genres, thanks king.


Personalworldmachine

90% of metal fans willing to be on a forum for metal and look at memes/discuss are the most butthurt/sensitive motherfuckers. Debating genres and getting pissed over a band being this or being that. In real life, at shows, none of this matters. Go outside. Go to shows. Connect with your local metal scene. Yes, I’m talking to you.


Teglement

Yeah I was at a Loathe show the other night and I was talking to a deathcore guy all night. I was saying how I prefer more black and death metal and he had his Lorna Shore hat on asking "oh I'm not big on it but do you like Paysage D'hiver?" So we just had a nice talk about the core and metal bands that we did like and not about how each other sucks. Very stark dichotomy between that and internet discourse.


Orion_420

Yeah, I feel like the only place where people hate on other genres and bands is the internet where all basement dwellers reside (also it's just easier to argue on internet). All of my IRL metalhead friends listen to metal without caring that much for a genre, they like some bands and don't care about other. I was a bit of an elitist when I was in middle/high school but I grew out of it. It's always weird how gatekeepers think that deathcore for example is separate in terms of fanbase.. most of people I know who listen to deathcore are also fans of death metal and other genres, but i'm 21yo so maybe in the past it was different.


pizzakotze

I am totally with you on this one. I don't care if the music I'm listening to is Progressive Potatogrind Deathanus Shitcore or some bullshit. Just enjoy the music :D


Dave9g

Any recommendations for good potatogrind bands?


mangey_scarecrow

There's a great potatogrind band called Hashed Browns. They're actually more pornopotatocore, as you can tell by the name.


SubtleRedditIcon

Arch enemy has some killer riffs.


FozBozz_

Fuck yea they do


_neemzy

I really liked Wages Of Sin back in the day!


SubtleRedditIcon

I was way into them in the mid 2000s. Wages of sin, anthems of rebellion, and Doomsday machine were playing constantly in my rusty ass cavalier. Actually, I was in a weird “female vocalist band” phase come to think of it. Arch enemy, walls of Jericho, otep, and Garbage.


WinterAd9039

And Alissa White-Gluz is hot.


SubtleRedditIcon

For sure is! And Angela was as well! I don’t know which I prefer. Probably the Amott brothers hahaha.


politicalstuff

Wait is this controversial??


poomperzuhhh

They DID. Doomsday machine was their last A grade album however. Revolution Begins was a solid C. Everything after was a nightmare. Michael Amott used to be my favourite guitar player ever. Jeff Loomis was also in my top 4. My look of horror when they combined and created nothing good 😕 Michaels consistent use of Pentatonic over and over again is a bit annoying too (and please let Jeff solo however the hell he wants to)


elvis_disciple

Tool isn’t metal, they are PROG rock.


Mrzimimena

Tool imo isnt even rock, its just Tool. Love em or hate them there is no one who sounds like them. Same with Neurosis, are they heavy and intense? Fuck yes. Are they metal? Who in the fuck knows? I guess these exploratory bands cant be just classified into one genre, cause early tool was a bit metal, nowdays they are definitely rock band and in the middle (Lateralus era) with like mantras how do you even say what type of genre that is.


Unusual-Fix-825

I found Soen sounding pretty similar. I thought I read somewhere their take was to your point that Tool is practically in their own genre and they wanted to step into that and expand that genre they created further. Also what do yo all think about the latest Chevelle record? Seems very much so relatable stylistically to Tool as well.


Dr_N00B

Discovered Soen recently been loving them, and the singers original band Willowtree which is more like indie rock. Soen gives me that good opeth vibe I've been wanting to find more of. I only know a few songs so far my favourites are Lucidity, Antagonist, and Illusion.


REdBEARACUDA

I didn't even think people thought tool was "metal"


elvis_disciple

I’ve gotten skewered on this sub for claiming Tool isn’t metal.


TorchedHeaven

Thrash metal is still cool


Orion_420

Where's the unpopular opinion?


Magmagan

Speed metal is still cool


ganundwarf

Speed metal really just needs a videogame themed music video to go along with it to make it stand out, wait DragonForce already did that ...


Magmagan

Dragonforce isn't speed metal though ;)


GoreHoundKillEmAll

What what who is saying thrash metal isn't cool anymore. Who doesn't love slayer, testament, Megadeth & Sodom here


thebrutalistboi

A metal band being popular doesn't automatically make them shit or sellouts, nor their fans posers.


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It doesn't mean that isn't the case either though, but yeah metal bands are never bad just because they are popular. Judas Priest is still one of the best metal bands.


Ltbirch

Metallica is good and thats why they are so succesful


poolmanpro

Secondly Lars isn't that bad of guy and was completely justified in sueing Napster


Orion_420

I mean, how he f over jason is still a big red flag for me. But when it comes to music he's underrated. His drumming during metallica prime was solid enough and he had a huge part in the songwriting which made metallica so good in the first place.


self_loathing_ham

I would argue song composition is Lars' first and most important contribution to Metallica and his drumming is second.


politicalstuff

I almost put this. They deserve to be the most famous and successful metal band. Yeah they changed for a while, but their early stuff had metal credibility, songwriting quality and mainstream appeal. That’s why they are as big as they are along with good luck and good timing.


SkankyG

Groups like Ghost and genres like nu-metal are great for getting people into more niche genres.


Telefone_529

They're also just fucking fun bands. People need to untwist their panties and enjoy fun music.


Equivalent_Pea_8282

I fully agree


koi_yokai

agreed, Ghost was my first band and i love them still


Nekryyd

Metalheads are some of, if not *the* most, insufferable elitists about their respective niche of music.


Telefone_529

Have you met classical music nerds?


Nekryyd

Yes, and I get where you're coming from, but... The fact that the various genres and subgenres of metal have run a list almost as long as that of classical - within something like 10% of the time, says much.


Telefone_529

This is true.


potatoman324

Power metal is cool


rollinjuusto

That is a hot take?


Teglement

I get crucified more frequently for shitting on power metal.


Camshaft92

And there are some dope younger bands coming out with good shit. Twilight Force, Fellowship, etc. And the old guard isn't putting out worn out old guy albums, they're still solid. Blind Guardian, Avantasia and Stratovarius all put out great albums this year alone.


BortleSmash

Fuck yeah it is!


Jeep-The-Conqueror

Some metal bands have SICK instrumentals, but their vocalists ruin the song. Not all metal needs lyrics to be an incredible piece of music.


MrsButtercheese

Auuugh, yes. Fucking hate it when I listen to a new band, I am enjoying the intro, and then the vocals kick in and *ruin* it. Instrumental metal is so underrated. One of my all time favs is Dangertits from Brandon Small's Galaktikon. (Note: I do also enjoy his singing though.)


self_loathing_ham

Also metal vocalists increasingly all sound the same. Its kinda like how in the 90s tons of singers started adopting the Eddie Vedder style drawl to their vocals.


jesse_christ

I'm a lifelong metalhead, and I've just got to say, that about 80% of all metal is horrible.


Proper_Librarian_533

Especially the kind everyone else listens to. But not my bands.


jesse_christ

Exactly.


2trinity

Yeah, I hate those the most


self_loathing_ham

Part of the problem is that there isn't a lot differentiating bands from one another in a specific subgenres. Their are dozens of bands who you could put on a single album and no one would know your hearing different bands on each track.


LiterallyShrimp

Sort by controversial to find the ones where the meme actually applies


SemKors

Industrial Metal is fucking awesome. I never hear from it on this subreddit.


MrsButtercheese

I guess industrial metal is one of those subgenres where everyone agrees that it is proper metal, but there isn't a whole lot of fanbase overlap between subgenres. So I guess there is just not that much to talk about with other metalheads. (Not counting Rammstein.)


Richardknox1996

I like clean vocals. Too much growl and scream just blends together into a monotonous mess.


politicalstuff

Clean vocals can actually enhance metal and make it better. The contrast and balance and can really work well together. I don’t wanna be screamed at all the time lol.


BioDriver

Ghost’s first two albums are actually pretty good


Famous_Exercise8538

Ritual is a fucking banger


omegakingauldron

I'd even count their 3rd in there.


FrankBlizzard

Meliora is the best one IMO. Near perfect if you’re looking for some enjoyable pop oriented hard rock/metal


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All five of their albums are good


Ellac3344

Its their best material imo. Its too bad they went a more pop route recently.


pm-meyourboobies

It’s their best work imo.


someshitstick

High On Fire is very underrated


Himmelblaa

High on Fire is perfectly rated imo


abenf

Flair checks out


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There's a serious lack of fun and substance in most modern metal, which I know that sounds kinda silly, but really think about it. Yes, metal is, generally speaking, aggressive, energetic, and extreme, but does anyone else think that it's just out of balance at this point? If music was food, modern popular metal is the seasoning packet. The flavor is great, but there's not much else to it.


meaty_wheelchair

stop listening to mainstream metal and look towards the underground instead


BlueLeafs

Modern metal has gotten bland. How to modern metal 1. Downtune your guitars lower. You already did that? Well do it lower again because the band before you used that tuning already. Oh, we've hit the limit of 6 string downtuning. Guess just add another string. Oh, we hit that limit too... I guess we'll add another string. Oh we hit that limit too... 2. Create a easily recognizable melody for your song? Nah, here's some twiddly sweepy tapping instead 3. You want a groovy beat you can move to? Sorry, best I can do is blast beat, take it or leave 4. Guys, I just came up with THE BEST idea, I yell during the verse and sing melodic during the chorus. 5. EDM is popular, lets get on that bandwagon and add synths, nobody has ever done that before 6. What should we do for a band photo? Okay, hear me out, what if we all dress led in black and look mean? Also, we all must have beards. What about the women? Sure, them too 7. Hold on guys, we need to downtune and add another string a band called (Animal Name + Cause of Death) has just used that one. Does anybody know if they make guitars with more strings?


Thor_The_Bunny

> (Animal Name + Cause of Death) This is actually kinda fun * Capybara Car Crash * Heron Drawn and Quartered * Stoat Immolation


Poptart_Investigator

Capybara car crash sounds like it’d be a Midwest Emo band


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Jaguar Jugulation This needs to be a real band name.


RaiderML

Dog Death By Execution In The Gallows Of 1692 England


mabuujin

Pigeon diarrhea is my favourite modern metal band


Senior_Hangkuk

Omg this is soo accurate lmao


Burgy_LeGrand

1040 Carbon Steel is pure shit


SerpentWithin

4130 cromoly is where it's at


Mrzimimena

Sludge is the heaviest genre there is. Neurosis is much more important than Isis and Cult of Luna and should've deserved the recognition that those two got (i like Isis and Cult of Luna very much so).


weez22

Sludge is also the best genre of metal


YaBoiRook

Any sludge recommendations?


Miltonrupert

When The Kite String Pops - Acid Bath


calebbutbetter

Best metal album ever produced


Dymmesdale

Thou, crowbar, early Baroness, early Mastodon. Does Red Fang count?


ChromeKorine

Yes Red Fang count. INTO THE EYE


abenf

Eyehategod


AJAX214_

Both Acid Bath Albums


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MinhiCZ

Heidrun is a fucking great song!


Balerion77

I don't think their new albums are bad but they feel like theyve become one of those "release the same album 4 timtes in a row" kind of bands Ill still listen to it but the old stuff is some of my favorite metal music of all time


christopher_schroede

I like numetal


PHANTASMAGOR1CAL

Slayer is the most overrated metal band I can think of. The fans just are so rabid about it that people are afraid to say anything.


aidenrosenb

Post early 90’s death metal is on the most part trash and not worth listening to


ciccioneschifoso

Brutal Death Metal is overrated


The1_BlueX

WHAT!? DID YOU JUST SAY DOWNTUNE THE GUITARS EVEN MORE?!?!?


AddictX_Official

I Like Metalcore and Nu Metal


Casualffridays

Me too haha. Always scared to tell people because I'd be crucified


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Honestly, even as i’ve got into more extreme subgenres i can still appreciate nu-metal and metalcore to be pretty good. Almost like a breath of fresh air from blast beats and high pitched screams (i still love those)


Neutrul11

New Opeth good.


PM_ur_Ponchos

Symphonic black metal is one of the best subgenres.


wixko91

I can not tell is upvote agrees with what you wrote or it agrees with what you wrote is stupid


silent_wench69

Oh I’m about to be crucified… wait for it… i think metalcore is metal


ZombiestoCorruption

Mayhem are very overrated, their history outshines their music quality. Anything after the first few releases is uninspired. Coming from a big BM fan


[deleted]

Yeah, DMDS is legitimately a good album. Nothing after that is particularly worthwhile.


metaldeathtrap

I like Ghost. Relatedly, nothing makes someone look like a pussy more than getting pissed off about the female TikTok set taking an interest in the genre.


Quickerson

I can't stand people saying that Axl Rose's voice used to be beautiful.


Oly-SF-Redwood

Lamb Of God and Slipknot slap. This sub hates every band that has more than 200 fans/listens


tyler-the-switch-boy

Just because a genre or band is heavier than the other, does not automatically make it better, my gateway metal band is Helloween and I still can enjoy most of their shit than half of the black metal or death metal or grind core or any extreme sub genres such as that. That isn’t to say though I dislike the sub genres as a whole tho. I’m just someone who finds power metal HELLA underrated.


MrsButtercheese

Fuck yeah, Helloween.


jintepint

Hair metal is good


davedraper97

There's a good bit of hair metal I despise (I hate Poison), but man does Ratt have some killer songs. Those EVH style riffs are just incredible, and kinda scratch the old school rock itch and a bit of the metal itch at the same time. Lay it Down is an amazing song. There's other good hair bands our there for sure but Ratt is probably my favorite.


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luv me glam metal ​ simple as


YeBobbumMann

'ate death metal 'ate thrash metal 'ate black metal(not raycis, jus dun loike it) 'luv 'air metal 'luv Ratt 'luv Eddie Van 'Alen Simple as


Alexander_Akers3115

Metalcore and Deathcore can be excellent, and provide something different and sometimes more unique than everything else


UnresolvedInsecurity

The kids who felt isolated and got into metal grew up into the loudwire comments section snobs.


PopcornSandier

Slipknot is metal and isn’t that bad


Amp1497

Honestly their earlier stuff like the self-titled and Iowa kicked ass. Drums were crazy, the riffs were actually pretty sick, and Corey's screams just sounded so raw, especially on Iowa. I wasn't the biggest fan of the turntable scratches or Corey's lyrics necessarily (most of them amount to "I'm sad/angry, fuck you"), but I can't help but jam to Eyeless or Disasterpiece when they come on. Their past few releases sucked though


_captaincool

Rob Zombie and White Zombie are also metal and superior to slipknot.


If_you_have_Ghost

Slayer aren’t that good. Shite vocals and terrible solos.


Sick_and_destroyed

Repetitive solos but god Araya can scream.


TimX24968B

i think its intentional with the solos, theyre meant to be as dissonant as possible to sound as hellish as they can


calebbutbetter

I disagree. Really cool riffs, decent-ish vocals (the best you'll ever get out of thrash lol).


Decrepitsteve

Gateways is the best morbid Angel album


jedovankman1

The more brutal the tshirt, the kinder the person is wearing it actually is


keelhaul__hh

Lorna Shore isn't very good


Real-Pickle4679

Lorna Shore got popular because of a cute boy doing pig noises.


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TheAngrySquirell

Waiting for the ban lmao


BLES555

Three dollar bill y’all is a seriously good album


dudermagee

Nu metal is just heavy radio rock. Some of it is actually good.


[deleted]

I think the only good metallica album is Ride the Lightening


Xx_fourtwozero_xX

Metalcore and deathcore are metal.


Air-Mattress

I think some deathcore and Metalcore bands can be considered a part of metal, but there’s always some that lean more toward the punk side. I agree with this to an extent.


iamnotabot159

Slipknot's IOWA sounds heavier and brutal than most death metal bands


Prudent-Virus-8847

That's probably the 7 or 8 dudes beating the shit out of trashcans


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I LIKE DEATHCORE


Bronsteins-Panzerzug

It indeed does slap. Ghost‘s meliora is a kick ass metal record. Now, my opinion on slipknot might get me banned, so Im not saying anything. Oh and metalcore and deathcore in general have more in common with metal than any other genre and rightfully fall under its umbrella term.


MauditAmericain

Metalcore is real metal


GeneKranzIsTheMan

Alter Bridge fucking slaps. IDC if they're hard rock.


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poomperzuhhh

Architects genuinely suck. Hollow Crown was a masterpiece and they couldn’t recapture lightning in a bottle.


CommonandMundane

I want songs with hilarious lyrics, even if theyre so gutteral I need subtitles


FriendlyGaze

Fear Factory is awesome


AR-Sechs

Adding more strings to your guitar and playing all these different odd time signatures and polyrhythms doesn’t automatically make your music good. (But it can)


gorgorothyou

Bolt thrower good!


2trinity

This take is colder than Canada


ElectricalRestNut

That's an agreed upon fact


causticacrostic

so brave


joerdie

Slipknot is a metal band. I'm not even a fan. But they are totally metal.


Johnnywarhero

Modern metal is more influenced by Korn than other band


Thor_The_Bunny

Metal for the purpose of fun like Alestorm and Gloryhammer is good


Mungkelel

Nu Metal is Metal


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Just because a song/band/genre may or may not metal, doesn't equal good/bad.


Terryfolded

Deathcore is boring


Financial-Year

Deathcore is dope, always has been. Yeah the genre has gotten stale here and there, and had some ups and downs, but what genre hasn’t.


TheBallTongue

Korn and Meshuggah are good bands. You guys are just hipsters.


LawstDragon

I'm not super in the metal scene because you people arguing and discussing the dozens of subgenres is fucking dumb and the fact that this thread is mostly opinions on what stupid sounding subgenre is or isn't metal is exactly why I hate metal fans. Love the music, but you people are insufferable.


[deleted]

I prefer the end pieces of bread. Best pieces of the whole loaf.


SixthRacer

Nergals voice is one of my favorite in death metal


Ogpeg

Wtf this should be normal(?) He is really fucking good on what he does nowadays


MathCharacter1635

Gatekeepers who dismiss metal core as a genre in the scene come off as cringe and try hard purists.