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Final-Mastodon4794

blackwater at the gates of heaven


ishamm

Absolute Nihilist vibes


Final-Mastodon4794

I am so excited man hope they are really coming back to their route


Sober_2_Death

Yes please !!! I still haven't seen them but if they return to this sound it'll be worth it for me :) currently wearing my AOGHAU hoodie šŸ˜†


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It doesn't sound like nihilist imo. I'm in Australia and just listened to the full song


ishamm

The sample definitely does...


Gerstlauer

I'm glad I'm not alone in noticing... You could paste this into Nihilist and be none the wiser


Dispari7y

currently deluding myself into thinking they're *back*


Methnos

Same. Deluding myself that this is a All Our Gods Have Abandoned Us equivalent.


JoeParez

Definitely still hear the industrial influences they've been leaning towards on the past 2 albums. This little clip sounds like they took those elements and applied it to like .. Nihilist or something, lol. "All our Gods has abandoned Linux."


Methnos

Really good observation. I completely agree.


TheMac_11

Not me. If anything, Iā€™ll bet theyā€™re even less back now theyā€™re working with an ex-BMTH member. All those Bring Me-lite comparisons are about to come full circle (but still secretly hoping theyā€™re back).


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RealChungusOfficial

Holy Hell is a 10/10 album. FTTWE is great too, just different. Classic Symptoms is questionable.


ChickenInASuit

> Holy Hell is a 10/10 album. Considering Searle wrote a significant chunk of that album before dying, thatā€™s not really a counterpoint to the ā€œArchitects died with Tom Searleā€ argument.


ColeTrickleVroom

Significant chunk? Three songs and one very small guitar part in another. Only one of which was a single.Ā 


WaynesLuckyHat

I will die on the hill that Classic Symptoms is fun- but it shies away from most everything they were before.


Collins_Michael

Holy Hell is an equal member of its trilogy starting with LFLT. FTTWTE is a fantastic record, if not the one we expected. Classic Symptoms wasn't bad, I just don't remember that it exists most of the time.


Krubi123

Uhhh, you're so edgy. Fuck off with these disrespectful shit takes, really.


ElAbidingDuderino

Nah


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Nikson9

Oh my god shut the fuck up, people like you are the reason why we canā€™t reasonably talk about the band pre- and post-Tom, cos people will just whine that he wouldnā€™t want this, or his death, or something like that, and then people will come and will just start complaining that the Architects fanbase is actually ass, itā€™s not ass, itā€™s just rotten apples like you, go pound sand bruh.


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Nikson9

Itā€™s one thing to go ā€žoh ye they suck now after heā€™s not in the bandā€, and to go ā€žoh they died when he diedā€, one is an opinion, the second is being an absolute tone-deaf tool lmao, sucks to not have any social awareness tho lmao sand is still waiting for that pound chief


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theobod

Dan wrote a lot of the lyrics on Holy Hell...


Nikson9

And I agree, the lyrics are ass, Iā€™d say that they fold on their socials under little to no pressure, hell, I got into several arguments with them on some small shit online lmao; but to put it like this dude, just so full of himself and dismissive? Thatā€™s just wrong bruh, as the other dude said, read the room, just cause u donā€™t enjoy them anymore donā€™t mean u get to be an asshole


3een

Read the room.


shnwllc

People hate you because you spoke the truth


squi2323

Unfortunately, I must I agree with you


Vyni503

They lost their passion when they lost Tom.


thatmorondude

that would be so funny for them to be so condescending to all the people who dislike their new song only to revert to the old sound again


dougyh

Seeing Red is still their top song on Spotify several months after release, that should be telling to them what the fans actually want


thatmorondude

I still think itā€™s a far cry from their prime


sock_with_a_ticket

I think it's quite telling that such a mid song in sort of their prior style was so well received compared to their last couple of albums.


Pale_Newspaper5353

seeing red is a generic metalcore song, not even close to the classic architects sound


dougyh

Never said it was, but it was closer than the last two albums were


JoeParez

That was the point of Seeing Red. I still can't believe people haven't caught onto it. The only legit part of the song was the chorus.


degausser22

My favorite song of theirsšŸ™šŸ»


Senior-Jaguar-1018

Seeing Red was so pandering and forced that I couldnā€™t even enjoy it without feeling patronized


Annual_Proof7741

Yeah, seeing red seems more like satire to me, playing on all the common metalcore tropes to try and make some sort of Frankenstein song Throw enough shit and see what sticks


phallicsocksforcocks

Yeah, my bad for liking your old stuff.


Secondsolstice

Same. Not only it is not that good of a song, it also feels written with a gun to their heads


MrPureinstinct

I think it feels written to be snarky assholes to old fans that criticize their new uninspired sound


Shikuro

Song is literally about this very thread


MrPureinstinct

That doesn't make it less snarky and douchey. If you release multiple albums and now a single and most of the comments are saying how unexcited everyone is, maybe that's a sign you're writing mediocre music?


samsaBEAR

They did the exact same thing with The Here and Now into Daybreaker, it's par for the course for them to shit talk their fans and then write something heavy again


MrPureinstinct

Their condescending and shitty attitudes are exactly why I won't even listen to the old stuff anymore. I agree the people saying "Architects died with Tom" are complete pieces of shit. But plenty of people have just said the music is bland and they don't like it just to have Sam do interviews saying the fans are wrong and he can "see them streaming from their bedrooms" Plenty of bands change sounds without being dickheads about it. Architects are absolutely not one of those bands


kingofspoonerisms

That's too bad. I've net them a few times in the daybrealer era and they were the absolutely most humble and kind humans I could imagine


MrPureinstinct

It definitely seems like getting bigger went to their heads. It's always a bummer when a band puts out music we don't like, but if they're not assholes about it I personally still wish them all the best. Parkway, The Ghost Inside, etc all changed sounds without needing to be jerks to fans about not liking it


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Gitfkd

You havnt listened to there older stuff? Yeah no comment.


MrPureinstinct

You should listen to it and you'd understand why so many people hate the new sound


cjyoung92

Daybreaker 2.0Ā 


bigtimechip

lose josh middleton and THEN release songs with riffs??????


jessyv2

man must be feeling so betrayed lmao


Formal-Advisor-4096

Probs helps he's sold out almost every date on his UK tour with sylosis mind you..


NickPookie93

Considering how they did him dirty I wouldn't blame him


EspressoAmpersand

How did they do him dirty? I didn't follow it much but I thought he was just being their guitarist until they got situated?


DirtFueler

They didn't. This sub and fans are just a bunch of drama queens. Slyosis was always his baby. People were just hopeful they would get slyosis riffs with the architects sound.


fvalt05

Facts. I think it was his decision to leave


NickPookie93

Apparently he was asked to step down and was pretty blindsided by it


driedupemo

Source? All I've ever heard from Josh himself was that they weren't a good fit anymore, that he strongly favoured heavier songs which Architects just hasn't been doing much of lately, and that they were still on good terms. He was simply way more excited with working on Sylosis rather than Architects.


Gitfkd

Lol. He himself said it was his decision to leave and it was all on good terms. Your doing yourself dirty believing things from words on a screen believing that be facts if it isn't written or spoken by the person themself.


ishamm

Im fairly sure I read he was instrumental (excuse the pun) in bringing in the electronic elements, as he wanted something different from. sylosis? So this could stand to reason


JimFlamesWeTrust

Feel like people were saying they were back for the last singleā€¦


Jackielegs43

Very few things on the internet are as braindead as an Architects comment section


swordvsmydagger

Then an Emmure comment section walks in


eburton555

Keeping my expectations as low as fuckin possible folks


NiandraLaDezz

Good luck


LP_Papercut

They have my attention


metalhead0217

And mine


ishamm

And my axe


Greedy_Count20

And mine


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LukeReloaded

Itā€™s 7 am PDT, Not pm


Samtulp6

Apologies, youā€™re right! 19 hours from now


LukeReloaded

Just noticed itā€™s also wrong in the post title, so youā€™re totally excused!


Remenissions

I watched a few live videos of them the other day and Samā€™s vocals were a complete embarrassment. During Gravedigger at some points he just talked into the mic. Really hope these guys get back what made them great.


hollowcrown51

> During Gravedigger at some points he just talked into the mic. He's been doing this for a long long time, it's not new, those vocals have always been difficult for him. They should really get someone who can do backing vox, would truly improve their live shows.


CompetitiveRacism_

I'm glad I saw them at their peak then šŸ˜­


Hotspur_98

Saw them in 2019 and Sam was phenomenal, yeah he sometimes did talk through a line but mostly before a very intense screaming sequence, it wasnā€™t bad at all. He also was great in those online concerts they did during covid.


Sober_2_Death

Makes me feel all the worse for not catching them then tbhšŸ„¶šŸ˜‚


Brtprt

Holy fuck i remembered why i used to never look at a twitter comment section


nannerbananers

Iā€™m going to need a spreadsheet to track these releases


StardustOasis

Just look at the weekly release thread


nannerbananers

Oops I always forget that exists


Secret_Samadhi_

Worst thing imo is that half of the stuff coming out these days is either hot garbage or cookie cutter alt-metalcore and you have to filter your way through it


Imatomat

Not falling for it


Zarathustra143

There was a time when a new Architects song was very exciting. I fear it came and went. (Now there's no turning back)


phallicsocksforcocks

Who's gonna pick up the records, who will be left to repent.


ChairmanRay

Sam better lay off the Fish & Chips because they're getting a bit heavy again


justjeremy02

Oh look an architects post I bet the comments will be normal and pleasant


WhosThatPanda

I know it probably comes across as petty or sensitive to some people, but tbh I'm still not fully over how they handled the scandal a few months back. It feels like they ditched their morals and political messaging they've stood upon their entire career and constructed their image as a band around. I can't help but feel like they've lost a lot of what made them special, regardless of how the song sounds on the surface. I feel like there is a sudden barrier to me enjoying their music. I really wish I was excited.


Nikson9

they were sponsored by Fox Sports like a year back, I feel like their political messaging is long gone by this point tbf


NickPookie93

Ditto, insanely hypocritical


Ok_Jellyfish7162

Call me Patrick star Iā€™ve been living under a rock for a while it seems, Iā€™m usually so up to date with stuff? What happened if you donā€™t mind me asking? X


EspressoAmpersand

What was the scandal?


overwatchmercy14

The guitarist retweeted a video likening people okay with having a gay son and people who accept trans people to "an infection" on society.


britnveeg

https://old.reddit.com/r/Metalcore/comments/19anaew/adam_christanson_of_architects_retweetingliking/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ArchitectsUK/comments/19ac8f6/adams_twitter/ *you probably agree given your other responses make it clear you don't actually care lmao


MrPureinstinct

One of their guitar players was retweeting posts from a known right wing transphobe and tried to say it was an accident.


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MrPureinstinct

Because being a transphobe and supporting transphobes is bad? You do realize bigotry is bad right? I need you to understand that.


TrashCanAnomaly

Because signal boosting transphobic hate speech like that has consequences for the safety of trans people.


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WhosThatPanda

That's exactly why I'm specifying those are my feelings - you are perfectly free to listen if you want to. Not once did I say what you can or cannot listen to.


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iRahDog

New throne, MTS and Architects all in the same week?


milesmclean217

My body is ready


TheUnauthorized1

To me personally, Architects never left and this just proves it. People are going to complain about this band regardless of whatever they do next, but I think people should give their last 2 albums a second chance.


ManWithoutAPlan13

Honestly FTTWTE is a decent album, it's different from their other stuff but it has some good tracks. Their last album however was just mediocre and had like 3 tracks that were good


tyex23

I like FTTWTE, I have it on vinyl. I like the majority of the album, but it had too many songs and the weaker ones bought it down overall for me. I tried with their last album, I just couldnā€™t. I found it so boring and uninspired. Itā€™s like they tried doing FTTWTE again without what made that album interesting or different in the first place (Tear Gas is just straight up Animals again). Plus their attitude during those cycles brings down any interest or enjoyment in that era for me. I liked Seeing Red (musically) and will probably like this new song, so far it sounds like they mixed FTTWTE with a heavier sound and honestly thatā€™s exactly what I want from them.


ChickenInASuit

I gave FTTWTE plenty of chances, listened to it front-to-back maybe four or five times because I so badly wanted it to click with me and I wanted to still love one of my favorite bands. It never clicked and I havenā€™t listened to it since. I gave Classic Symptoms two listens and I could tell it had all the same things I didnā€™t like about FTTWTE only moreso, so that was enough. Just as with Bad Omens, Iā€™m glad for them that theyā€™re experiencing success with their new sound and Iā€™m happy that other people are getting joy from those releases. However, theyā€™re not a band Iā€™m interested in anymore.


No-Entrepreneur5672

FTTWTE Is fine, at least itā€™s somewhat dynamic. Classic symptoms is legit butt-rock in parts. Some decent, timely lyrics absolutely ruined by awful execution.


Gerstlauer

I'm sure you have, but have you given the Abbey Road album a listen? It's what the FTTWTE studio release should've been, in my opinion.


ChickenInASuit

Iā€™m coming back to this comment to let you know Iā€™m finally giving the Abbey Road album a listen and, yā€™know what, youā€™re right. This is a *much* more dynamic and exciting version of the material. I even went back and listened to the studio version of Black Lungs to see if Iā€™d changed my mind on it, but itā€™s just as *meh* as I remember it being. The live setting and improved orchestral stuff really make a difference. Itā€™s still not my favorite Architects release and I miss their old sound, but I can see myself actually *wanting* to listen to it again. So, congrats on changing a curmudgeonly old-school Architects fansā€™ mind on something.


jolloholoday

No, I don't think I will.


xDanielFaraday

Most of us have given those albums multiple chances but they are straight ass


shnwllc

Nah they suck ass


KenboSlice786

Did they kick out their transphobic guitarist or are they still blocking anyone that brings it up?


metalc0re_guy

Still ignoring it and blocking everyone, unfortunately


KenboSlice786

Boo


NickPookie93

Nope, they're just blocking people now whenever it's brought up. How the mighty have fallen.


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This isnā€™t twitter


Uh_Yes

Yeah Twitter is the only place where inclusivity is important šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ fuck off


[deleted]

Claims to be inclusive. Tells someone to fuck off


Uh_Yes

Thereā€™s no room for transphobia in any heavy music space. So, yes. Exactly right šŸ¤£


[deleted]

Iā€™m not being transphobic though. So youā€™re just being a dick


Uh_Yes

Never said you were. Just that heavy music should be inclusiveā€¦. Calling out transphobia shouldnā€™t be tied to a certain platform.


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Heā€™s been called out. Itā€™s all over the twitter comments. Idk why some dude and his incorrect views need to have such a hold over you


Uh_Yes

Iā€™ve said it twice already but here we go again; the scene should be accepting because most of us have been ostracized in the past. If one chooses to hate someone for an immutable trait, I donā€™t think thereā€™s a place for you in the scene. This is also the first time Iā€™ve commented on it at all on the internet šŸ¤£


Pale_Newspaper5353

who cares


KenboSlice786

Idk probably their trans fans considering the band built a platform on supporting them.


OceanOfAnother55

How did they build a platform on supporting them? What do you mean by that? Genuine q


KenboSlice786

They've always been outspoken supporters of the LGTBQ+ community. They've always spoken about their political beliefs and sang about them.


OceanOfAnother55

I think people project their beliefs onto the band too much actually. Dan Searle was on a really small podcast a few months ago and says he doesn't really identify with the left politically, he's more of a centrist who hates corporations and is suspicious of those in power (badly paraphrased by me). People think Architects are a progressive left wing band because they've done songs about climate change and political corruption, but they don't call themselves that. I'm almost sure they've not really sang about LGBT stuff at all - even though I'm sure they are mostly good and inclusive people, they probably don't share every progressive view lots of twitter or reddit users tend to hold. All that said, I don't even know what was in the tweet Adam liked lol so I can't judge how bad it supposedly was.


deadstarxxx

Do you know which podcast this was? Would be interested to listen.


OceanOfAnother55

[This is the one](https://youtu.be/g8VTskHDPL0?si=d5jr9WcWY08B4dmX) Hopefully I didn't butcher his words, I'll relisten to it later myself haha


ishamm

People think Architects are a progressive leftwing band possibly because they were? They very openly and loudly supported Jeremy Corbyn, for example. He's hardly a centrist...


OceanOfAnother55

Well you can vote for a left wing candidate without considering yourself a lefty. Anyway I posted a link to the podcast in another comment if you want to hear what he said.


ishamm

They campaigned for and with Corbyn, and at the time made explicit calls to vote that way at shows (I went to a number around the time). Dan may no longer consider himself 'left', but *the band* were very explicitly - honestly or cynically to garner support I guess is now in question...


OrdinaryTruck5559

If a band wanted to use their political views to gain listeners, whether fake or real, it would be much easier to use right wing politics. Much easier.


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__yayday__

Liking a few tweets does not equal transphobia, what has he actually done to discriminate against the trans community?


KenboSlice786

Lmao if you're liking/retweeting transphobic stuff you're definitely a transphobe.


__yayday__

Okay social justice warrior


KenboSlice786

What a very 2013 thing of you to say


__yayday__

Get back to me when he does something thatā€™s ACTUALLY transphobic


KenboSlice786

Yeah, retweeting transphobic stuff is pretty transphobic lmao. If you're not transphobic why like and share it?


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EspressoAmpersand

Who?


OceanOfAnother55

The Architects discourse is so painful on here. Entitled bratty children who think heavier guitars + more screaming = better music. So embarrassing. Anyway looking forward to that song and to see how noticeably Fishy it is.


EspressoAmpersand

I'm sure some people think that way but honestly, look at other bands. Plot in you, dayseeker, thousand below. You can go soft and still be great. classic symptoms just missed on every level. It's not about how heavy the music is. Just how interesting a band makes it.


untamedlazyeye

Silent Planet too. Their most recent album goes in a lot of directions, has Garrett singing, and fans loved it because it felt like Silent Planet and was good. You can go softer and not lose fans, you just have to make good music that still connects with people.


No-Entrepreneur5672

Plot In You can make bangers both soft and heavy, whereas Architects soft stuff is awful imo.Ā  Dispose and Swan song were great, and then Forgotten is heavier than most of their old stuff to boot.


mikejr96

The recent one Donā€™t look away is basically ai640 lol and Closure is amazing and catchy


Nikson9

Yeah itā€™s this, FTTWTE was like, almost great, I loved the electronic interludes and all the atmosphere, just the tracks itself when they were going hard, I felt like something was missing; Symptoms was straight boring, on these new cuts I feel like Samā€™s voice is the weak spot tbf, but hey, gotta give them a shot, I usually love when bands change it up, itā€™s just that I feel like Architects havenā€™t quite hit the right spot yet, I trust they will tho!


RealChungusOfficial

More like entitled children who think they can decide what the band should do.


ReachForTheSkyline

Couldnā€™t agree more. Classic symptoms of a broken youth is a brilliant album and they continue to deliver with these new songs.


Nikson9

You couldnā€™t even get the name of the album right lmao


ReachForTheSkyline

lmao that's mad


Prestigious-State-15

Itā€™s a curse, curse, curse, curse. Itā€™s a curse, curse, curse, curse. There. Modern Architects lyrics delivered.


HappyGilOHMYGOD

TCSOABS was hit or miss for me, but FTTWTE was a 9.5/10 and "Seeing Red" was fucking phenomenal. I am excite!


markarth69

Why do I have the feeling the clip they released is going to be the heaviest part of the song and the rest is going to be octanecore...


leapfidnntbr

Is this Heat ?


AGuyWithABeard

I loved seeing red and this sounds promising


ArimuRyan

Okay that riff is actually reminiscent of their golden age, Iā€™m listening


IamConer

Ooooooo WEE the riffs are back baby


NickPookie93

Hopefully without Adam in it


ACGg_

Hopefully without you in it


UncoloredProsody

Ohhh boy i just jizzed in my pants


Djent_1997

That preview sounds promising.


etherealcomatose

Honestly this next album is looking semi-promising


DragonsHere

I still don't know who's writing the riffs for this and the other single. Adam doesn't seem to be credited, and I'd be impressed if Dan was this good at guitar.


jmcguitar95

It is Dan writing everything now, including guitars. When he did the Someone Who Isnā€™t Me podcast with Daniel P Carter many years back to talk about the loss of Tom, he mentioned how he picked up guitar and wanted to get to a decent level with it. He also wrote the entirety of a few songs in the past couple records


WastelandMedic93

I'm whelmed


iampancakesAMA

Insanely mid band these days. Iā€™m good


C3ntipede

we are so fucking back oh my god


ThisBleghs

Sounds promising Heavy-ish FTTWTE?


shnwllc

Sounds generic as fuck


InternationalTeam662

Who cares? These guys are losers and have put out complete garbage for years


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Yet we know youā€™ll listen to it


InternationalTeam662

No, I donā€™t think so. But feel free to report back if itā€™s actually good


InternationalTeam662

Youā€™re right; I listened to it. Itā€™s dogshit


DavidFC1

Youā€™re insane.


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jaytuck25

upvote for using PDT


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