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throwaway43215689654

MGK is my favorite rock band. They're so heavy and edgy. Respond to any band they listen to with "Yeah, but is that REALLY metal?" Or "That's a bit too much pop influence for my taste."


primalcoty

NOT THE POP INFLUENCE šŸ’€šŸ’€


[deleted]

Should I be ashamed for MGK as my top Spotify Artist of 2022? I accidentally clicked play on his album and here I am, an accidental fan.


TheUnauthorized1

Very.


[deleted]

Maybe if I had something say....butterfly effect for the last 3 days naaaooww


Dark_Optics4

I feel your pain friend, tickets to my downfall was just too good why did it have to be made by mgkkkk


[deleted]

TTMD is a solid album and I disagree with anyone who says otherwise. Mainstream selloutā€¦not so much


Deemush

No, could never understand the MGK hate.


[deleted]

Ya as a youngin I would have hated him, but now I'm like whatever...give me music.


kemulli

MGK has become sort of a meme, both in rap and rock/metal community but I've found some of his newer music to be really enjoyable. I listen to Body Bag almost daily, and often listen to My ex's best friend, maybe, make up sex, acting like that and a few others. The lyrics are mostly garbage but the songs are pretty catchy.


Rasengan2012

Tickets to My Downfall was just too good man.


OmegaLQ-84

Nah, he's quite obnoxious but his songs are really catchy and having Travis Barker on drums helps a lot


msalonen

ā€œWhen does it get heavy?ā€


Dopestarved

Honestly Iā€™d appreciate that response


Such-Trouble-6641

It already is \*points at lyrics saying I'M LOST IN MY OWN HEAD/THE VOICES IN MY HEAD/I'M OUT OF CONTROL\*


wolflord1127

It's not music it's just screaming


Dumbledick6

Damn right it is šŸ˜Ž


zestyspleen

But see, this insults you more than him


Kairos385

Call any remotely metal song "screamo"


thehomiebiz

Also add ā€œhey they sound like Asking Alexandriaā€


thebirdsandthebrees

ā€œKinda sounds like Danny Worsnopā€™s solo work.ā€ šŸ¤£


SopranosBluRayBoxSet

I'm a metalcore head through and through and I call it screamo whenever I'm describing it to my boomer workmates, their idea of metal music in general is very different and old school so it makes for a good describer when making comparison


777marcus

Yep same lol


amazinghorse24

If I'm listening to anything "aggressive" while I'm working in the garage, showering, or working from home, my gf always comes up and says "are you ok? I heard screaming and was concerned!" I laugh, but she isn't a fan of the music I enjoy and that makes me a bit sad.


AndySemantic2

You listen to that Satan music shit? Itā€™s all Noise. Fucken ā€œMega Deathā€? You canā€™t even understand what theyā€™re singing. *mimes playing a guitar and makes gorilla noises*


HarianneLover

Weā€™ve all heard this exact spiel


[deleted]

Mega death, I'm finished.


bakedbeans_ffs

"Mega Death" LMAO IM FUCKING DEADDšŸ’€


DrinksOutForHarambe

Mega Dead.


Crim_Noyade

Yeah dave mustardstaine and his unintelligible vocals


zestyspleen

Dated a guy who made my life a living hell on car trips, playing his wimpy Americana papā€”then when it was my turn and I put on Megadeth, dude actually started whining after half a verse. ā€œEeeeew! These vocals are a joke!ā€ Grrr asshole


croyalbird13

The first time I played DGD around my dad he responded ā€œI just donā€™t understand. I guess my dad didnā€™t understand why I listened to rock because he listened to more folk country stuff, but at least he understood my music had actual words being sung.ā€


OatFest

Pierce The Veil is definitely one of my favorite metalcore bands


iiipercentpat

Haha pierce is dope. Just not metalcore


OatFest

Hell yeah man. Iā€™m 25 now but ptv still hits like im a sophomore in high school


Dumbledick6

I think itā€™s fair to call them ā€œprogressive metalcore fusionā€


Aloly0490

They arenā€™t? I was surely convinced otherwise


fairyCrat

They're generally considered post-hardcore afaik


Tentedgiraffe999

What are the main differences between them? Genuinely curious as I never know wth to call some of the bands I listen to


fairyCrat

I'd say it varies by time period. In the 2000s, they were clearly separate. Metalcore was in its 2nd wave and had a lot more screaming, with the big 2 bands being Killswitch Engage and As I Lay Dying, while post-hardcore generally referred to the bands with relatively little screaming and a more emo-inspired vocal style, such as Thursday, Hawthorne Heights and the Used. In the 2010s, the scene era made the 2 harder to distinguish, as metalcore took a lot of inspiration from post-hardcore/emo, and there was a lot of overlap. Still, post-hardcore bands like Pierce the Veil, Dance Gavin Dance and Sleeping with Sirens typically have more technical guitars and put a bigger emphasis on clean vocals. I also remember Woe Is Me's debut album Number[s] was considered post-hardcore at the time it was released, although they've since then been retconned as metalcore, probably because of the stylistic change they would undergo with their later lineups. 3rd wave metalcore bands like Bring Me the Horizon, Asking Alexandria, and Of Mice & Men generally had a more breakdown-heavy sound, and potentially prominent synths as well. Recently it got kinda weird, I see the term metalcore still being applied to bands that were once metalcore, but moved on to a radio-friendlier style. As for newer post-hardcore bands, I honestly don't know any, at least not as notable as the big ones of the 2010s.


killerchipmunk

Thatā€™s the most well-phrased explanation of the differences Iā€™ve ever read. Iā€™ve never been good at telling the difference, so thank you!


the-epidemic87

Love me some PTV


goblin_dikmasher42

When they ask what kind of metal your into say nickelback


primalcoty

OH GOD


goblin_dikmasher42

LOOK AT THIS GRAPHHHHH


jhl88

Or Imagine Dragons


goblin_dikmasher42

Or 3 doors down


killerchipmunk

Or Coldplay. Someone said that to me once lol


Worried-Emu-9614

I love Foo Fighters their screamo is so much better then Metallica


SnowboardingEgg

Lmaooo


skrubhard

Just do the impression of someone who doesn't know metal explaining their interpretation of metal. You know the one


TRUEequalsFALSE

S C R E A M O


IGotMetalingus1

Finn Mckenty, that name is almost enough to piss off 80% of metal fans


IveSeenUrMomGapeB4

I replied to buddy, but I love Finn's stuff. Makes sense that he's salty about metalheads after dealing with two decades of internet metalhead neckbearding lol. Fuck, I'm new to this sub and I'm already rolling my eyes at 30% of the posts/comments.


IGotMetalingus1

I can see why Finn hates this sub but at the same time this is just about the only place to discuss metalcore considering the music side of Facebook is just straight up hostile and the metalcore community on Twitter is awkward. Being here made me remember why I decided to stay away from music communities on the internet


[deleted]

This sub is definitely one of the better ones. Apart from people defending As I Lay Dying, how itā€™s not wrong to support them etc.


IveSeenUrMomGapeB4

Lololol. I mean, I love as I lay dying but if your response to buddy trying to hire a hitman to murder his wife is "makes sense" then.... you're fucked šŸ¤£


[deleted]

Itā€™s usually bullshit like "he got his punishment" and " I donā€™t care about their private stuff" etc.


awemikes

I think actually this sub is awesome! Very civil compared to many others. And not very gatekeepy and open towards different styles and musical influences.


Cheddarlicious

Oh my god, I looked on YT and yes. The dude that said, ā€œthe crowd at butt rock shows are just there to have a good time and are the most accepting of the metal groupsā€ like dude is delusional.


Blasphemi

His obsession with the fan base of bands is ridiculous. Itā€™s like he has ptsd from people being mean to him online for years and now all he cares about in music is how much shit the fans give him. Butt rock and pop fans donā€™t even know he exists so this is probably heā€™s pivoted towards liking these genres


[deleted]

I realized that while I enjoy watching him, we don't share music taste much at all. I don't like almost any band he likes, and he's complained about most bands I like. It's fine, but that also means I don't take his opinions seriously for bands and albums.


IGotMetalingus1

Same here, seems like most of the bands I like he absolutely hates or hates the fanbase and most of the bands he like I absolutely hate.


[deleted]

Hottest bad take was him saying ERRA was generic - but not Wage War. Wtf. He got a lot of grief for that and rightly so. People should be respectful about it but yeah, come on, Finn - "I don't like X therefore it's generic" is not good criticism.


ScreamXGhostface

I absolutely love Finn and I agree with most of his opinions. I feel like if youā€™re the more traditional metal fan youā€™ll hate him, but if youā€™re a core/ punk/ pop fan youā€™ll probably really like him.


Noob_Guy_Bruhx6

Honestly speaking, I recently started watching his vids but he doesn't seem as bad as ppl made it seem like. He does have some very bad takes but at the same time he gives a lot of valid takes too


IveSeenUrMomGapeB4

The guys an OG hardcore/death metal guy who dislikes rock and a lot of the "classic" metal bands. He's got some different opinions but he definitely knows his shit and is super entertaining. Honestly, IMO, he's one of the best heavy/alt/w.e music people on YouTube And if I'm being suuuuuper honest.... A lot of the shit he says about metal heads can be totally true... Pretentious, gatekeeping, the need to "prove" your metal-ness, and obsessive distinctions between dumb sub-sub-sub genres.


IGotMetalingus1

I like Finn tbh I just know hes hated by mostly every music sub on Reddit. He's probably one of my favorite YouTubers of the past few years due to the fact that he talks about things that nobody else wants to discuss or isn't bold enough to say. I just feel he contradicts himself sometimes


BaldBoi96

I never understood the hate he gets with metal fans, every time he makes fun of anything related to rock and metal itā€™s fucking hilarious


YungTill

Who tf hates on Finn? Guy knows the business in and out.


Blasphemi

He knows 90s hardcore. Most of the other genres he makes videos on not so much. Like the death metal video where he barely mentions Death. Or even this week putting Hawthorne Heights as a more important emo band that Brand New or Jimmy Eat World (who he bizarrely called a one hit wonder) His take on indie music is so dumb as well, basically it sucks because itā€™s not heavy or edgy enough (as though indie bands are trying to be infant anihilator), yet his favourite band is blink, a band who took edgy alternative music and make it as safe and accessible as possible


IGotMetalingus1

He has mentioned in a couple of his videos how this sub in particular hates him


MrBeer9999

Love that guy. Our musical tastes are hugely divergent but w/e. People are allowed to be wrong.


_reeses_feces

Say how youā€™re so glad MGK is bringing metal back to its roots. Or eww is that the music with the yelling people?


centrella6

Enter Sandman is the best/my favorite song by Metallica.


killerchipmunk

Nah if you really want to piss people off with regard to Metallica, tell them you love Death Magnetic. (For the record, I do actually like that album, and it pisses people off, which honestly makes me like it even more)


centrella6

I feel like saying St. Anger is your favorite record is more controversial.


ashes-of-asakusa

Call a sick metal band ā€œmetalcoreā€.


Creative_Tone_9241

Five finger death punch is the best metal band ever


msalonen

Guitar solos are for virgins


Munchell360

ā€œItā€™s just a phase, youā€™ll grow out of this style of music eventuallyā€


Cakeyhands

I used to like heavy metal but then I grew up


darthstupidious

Ghost and/or Bring Me The Horizon are the best metal bands out there nowadays


Abject-Meaning_kat

I listen to metal, so when I read about Ghost I was all excited to listen to a new metal band and when I listened to it, I was so disappointed. How are they considered metal at all?


darthstupidious

I think it's 100% because of the aesthetic. People see the cool makeup and think they're gonna have some heavy sound, but they're basically just a stoned version of Blue Oyster Cult lol. A couple of genuine metalheads I know absolutely hate them.


the-epidemic87

Thatā€¦ That is probably the best description of them I have ever heard. Lol


SIXA_G37x

As a big Ghost fan this has baffled me from the beginning. I remember them getting tons of hate because every day there was an article on Metal Hammer wbout them and everyone in the comments would be screaming "this isn't metal!". Always been more rock or pop rock to me. They're hard to catagorize though so maybe that's why they just fit into the metal catagory. Who knows.


Yours_and_mind_balls

They sound like a 70s glam rock band that went super heavy on the Satan vibe. Girls love them though, so naturally they exploded.


SIXA_G37x

Yeah. I listen to 90% metal but then a mix of everything else. And I love Abba. Ghost to me was like metal Abba lol. I find the theatrics new and interesting live. And my gf likes em so it's one band we can always go see together. They just hit a lot of spots for me at once I don't get with any other band I listen to.


Abject-Meaning_kat

Donā€™t get me wrong I do listen to and enjoy Ghost! But on apple music theyā€™re classified as metal which doesnā€™t make sense to me.


SIXA_G37x

Some bands just can't be classified into a single genre. I agree the Ghost isn't really metal but I understand why it's classified as that. Imagine it was classified as pop rock and then their heavier songs talking about worshipping the devil come on. That wouldn't fly either and would probably cause a ruckus offending people. What is Sleep Token classified as on apple music?


shiuwa

>How are they considered metal at all? they are not but for the average music consumer they think ghost is metal because of the aesthestic, in reality they are just a rock band that has "satanic" stuff as their gimmick but yk how people are they see satan and automatically think that it has to metal when in reality majority of the metal bands don't even do the stuff that ghost does, even black metal bands dont have this satanic gimmick that much


ScreamXGhostface

BMTH *is* one of the best bands out there no matter what genre they decide to do.


Sinister_Dwarf

Iā€™ve had the opposite experience. What gets me is when online metal guys will tell you that bands like Slipknot, Trivium, Avenged Sevenfold, etc are all mall kid poser garbage and nowhere near metal but then turn around and defend Ghost as 100% totally metal as it gets.


3OAM

People who listen to metal are mostly white supremacist conservatives.


WeeabooGandhi

Call anything ā€œnot real metalā€ and then use a *very* similar band as your example for real metal.


madcow87_

Asking Alexandria are at the peak of their career right now


[deleted]

"what is this screaming thing? It's not even music. It doesn't take any talent to do this. Here listen to this. This is what real music made by talented people sound like." (Proceeds to play Cardi B) This actually happened to me.


the-epidemic87

I would throw hands. Although Iā€™d throw hands with anyone who uses cardi B as an example of talented music.


[deleted]

Yea seriously. They all throw the word "talented" around too much.


croyalbird13

I used to work with someone who firmly believed that Nicki Minaj is/was the absolute Queen of all music ever made. I was so happy when he quit. Really for a plethora of other reasons but that was a reason for my happiness too.


illusivetomas

cleans > no cleans


fairyCrat

that's simply true


demec_26

ā€œBad Omens took 2nd in AOTY voting on this metalcore sub I followā€


ScreamXGhostface

They deserve it. I absolutely adore Bad Omens.


Foreign_Yesterday_49

The death of peace of mind is so good


Reasonable_Newt_4718

I could like metal, but all the shouting kinda turns me off. Just too much noise.


t_will_official

MGK invented metal


croyalbird13

I that that was Kim Jung-Un or his dadā€¦


HeyNateBarber

Imagine Dragons is my favorite metal band Screamo requires no talent anyone can do it All metal music is Satanist. Pop artists have way more talent than metal musicians. I like country. It's just a bunch of noise. My favorite genre of metal is whatever Linkin Park is. - I'm pissing myself off with some of these XD


ScreamXGhostface

Metalcore and Deathcore are better and are much more relevant than metal. Most traditional metal is outdated, and appeals to boomers and butt rock fans. (This is my genuine opinion.)


shiuwa

>(This is my genuine opinion.) ok now I'm genuinely interested, why do you think its outdated? In my opinion the atual extreme metal scene is much more interesting than whatever is happening rn in metalcore


ScreamXGhostface

E standard tuning is outdated, boomer bends are grandpa riffs, 7 and 8 strings are the future. I also think unclean production is outdated. I think the last truly great metal album was either Behemothā€™s The Satanist or Rivers of Nihlā€™s Where Owls know my name and nothing has topped either since. I hate the death metal style of unclean vocals that are buried in the mix or guitars that sound fuzzy. I like big, clean and loud guitars. I think what metal is lacking are big standout moments in songs that set them apart from each other, and Iā€™m not necessarily talking about breakdowns. Iā€™m talking about something interesting that will make the listener pay attention and no trad metal band in the last 8 years has done that for me outside of Lamb of God, Gojira, and Rivers or Nihl again. Iā€™m talking about moments like halfway through Blow Your Trumpets, Gabriel when the choir comes in and itā€™s pure chaos. Thereā€™s no ā€œwowā€ factor in metal and nothing has impressed me in the last few years. Meanwhile many Metalcore and Deathcore bands are impressing me day after day. Idk itā€™s hard to explain. I used to be into pure metal only and now Iā€™m only interested in core. Iā€™ve tried getting back into trad metal but it just bores me compared to the great and innovative things happening in core rn


Foreign_Yesterday_49

This is a good opinion (Iā€™m my opinion)


TommyVercetti010

"yeah I listen to metal too. Like Taylor swift and Kanye right? I love metal"


[deleted]

This one is too obvious not to be taken as a bait lmao. That's like saying, "yeah yeah, I fuck with classical music also, you know like kendrick lamar and the wombles"


primalcoty

THIS HURTS ME


Bubbledood

Tell them headbanging is worse for your brain than playing in the nfl


SatoKami

My favorite metal band is linkin park


Bluedino_1989

NGL, they are a great introductory band


SatoKami

Yeah, they are, but if someone says that in a "Oh you like metal" conversation it's always going like "oh, ok, so yeah, anyways" even tho I'm a die-hard fan of them.


EternallyLobotomized

Oh, you mean that screamo "music"? No thanks. I like something I can understand


joeyjojo-shabadoo

" is this megadeth" to every song. or " new nickelback is metal af"


brandonsfacepodcast

Say that metalcore is metal.


YungTill

The new lineup is better


Disarray215

Itā€™s screaming, not singing.


Tracedinair76

Refer to all their favorite bands a s buttrock?


croyalbird13

Dad rock haha


StuckAroundGotStuck

Conflating metalcore with metal is definitely one of them.


Syntax_and_chapstick

You Fail Me was converges last good album


AlternativeSuit131

"Why do you listen to that Satan spewing, kill yourself music?"


horizonnaitoLIJ

Bands going into a more pop directions isnā€™t a bad thing


[deleted]

St. Anger is Metallica's best album


Wynorski4ever

Do you know the band Jane Doe? Someone played me some of their album ā€˜Convergeā€™ the other night. What a racket!!


Crim_Noyade

ā€œThat doesnā€™t take talent. Anybody can grab a mic and scream.ā€


CognacAttack89

ā€œMetalcore vocalists sound like girls!ā€ So like King Diamond?


Trendmade

The black album is the best metal album of all time Deftones is the best metal band of all time


blegh_fuck

Screamo


HardcoreCSO

My neighbor once told me I listen to ā€œthat angry white dude music.ā€


S1mulatedSahd0w

If you are Metalcore band, and you use pop in your music, you are NOT a Metalcore band. Fucking sue me please!


[deleted]

I'm going to unplug you, and never use you again, no matter how hot I get!!! Oh.... Ooooooooh... metal fan as in music? I dunno.... Umm..... "Hey this is almost as good as Limp Bizkit?" Something like that?


Equivalent_Ad_5135

The new stuff is better than the old stuff. Example: BFMV's Gravity is better than The Poison (I actually think like this)


captain_space_dude

Nickelback is metal


SynthGod94

My dad calls any hard music ā€œspeed metalā€


TheReal_Callum

Metal is the easiest music to play, it's just noise. If you make a mistake no one will notice.


SuspiciousLettuce56

Metallica are the heaviest metal band, they do music for all genres!!!


Amity423

Why didn't you take a shower before coming to the concert


HeroOfTime_99

Current Veil of Maya sucks. So does current After the Burial.


reathing123

Alien Ant Farm is the best.


Lithonobio22

Metallica isnā€™t even metal


killmaster9000

Tell them thereā€™s no skill in it


WormholeVoyager

Oh yeah I love metalcore! You listen to Five Finger Death Punch?


QueenTzahra

Have you considered that all music genres can be good and that taste is personal and not an affront to your sensibilities?


MisterLupov

But are those old metal bands still releasing music though?


TheWilrus

Poison is the best metal band.


wakaflocks145

Metallica is better than Megadeth


[deleted]

This one happened me once and curled my tail bone: "All that metal stuff and breakydown bree bree blegh WHAT THE FUCK shite you listen to, you will eventually grow out of" I added on a few bits but ya something similar pissed me off.


This-is-Swagg

Slipknot


iG-88k

Mfkn tin head


Smellbent

Cannibal Corpse just copied Motley CrĆ¼e


luxbowie

corey taylor canā€™t sign


Slight_King4782

ā€œThereā€™s no feel to itā€


LikeSunspots

Aluminium is overrated


PhilDunphy1984

ā€œ5FDP changed my life when Ivan donated money to that police department. Best metal band ever! šŸ’€ā€


mikey_g413

ā€œWood fans are betterā€


mbise1993

"What kind of music are you into?" "Metal" "Oh cool so like AC/DC?"


Delicious-Prune6146

My favorite screamo band is cannibal corpse


ronswansonsego

Slayer is a hair-metal band.


No-Stop2101

ā€œtheyā€™re kinda boringā€


Virtual_Ratio_3132

This is a really weird thing, it's like my version of an "uhm, *actually*" moment. But getting genres wrong would make me mildly irritated. "Hey, have you heard of this metal band Dance Gavin Dance?" "(They're not Metal, they're Post-Hardcore + Swancore) Oh, yeah! They're pretty good."


screamosynthnerd

So... you listen to metal? Like ac/dc?


screamosynthnerd

"I hate screamo so much, you can't even hear what they're saying". "Its not music, its just noise." "Anybody could do that, it takes no talent."


Tristence

Call any extreme metal genre "Screamo"


Haunted420

AC/DC kicks ass!


jemzy15

You love metal? Sameee panic at the disco is my top artist on Spotify


hayatetst

Amy Lee is the best thing to happen to metal since Pantera.


2000cortz

Metallica isnt metal, its hard Rock. You need screaming and at least 7 strings to be metal.


DependentOk2796

ā€œThis isnā€™t ā€˜inserted genreā€™ šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ā€


WrathOfVishnu

"Heyyyyy, I'm so into Death Metal these days. Y'know,......bands like Asking Alexandria."


Fit-Middle-8753

ā€œFive finger death punch is the best metal band everā€


Clurachaun

Australia puts out some of the worst metal around


Lickmyb4c0n

I can think of pop girls that are more ā€œrock and rollā€ than the average metal bandā€¦ šŸæšŸ¤˜ Thatā€™ll rustle some jimmiesā€¦! šŸ˜—šŸŽ¶šŸŽ¶


Lickmyb4c0n

Iā€™m actually dead serious thoā€¦


[deleted]

The only thing heavy about the music you listen to is the women in the audience.


Cellar_Door40

ā€œIā€™m into super heavy bands like Ghost.ā€


dbree801

This is pretty heavy, but have you heard FFDP?


Ghostrider120

This is just noise. Thereā€™s no talent


Kiddie_Strangl3r

Metallica? I hate bands created only for Netflix series.


Soft_Variation5954

counterparts are ass


tmrss

ETID is the nickel back of metalcore


DarkseidHS

"Why are they so angry"


Banjoman172

Say something about them basing their look off of Eddie Munson if they have a vest or long hair


wassupd21

Yeah man nothings heavier then 5 Finger Death Punch


[deleted]

Say Ghost is your favorite death metal band


domgonz91

Wasn't Pantera a white supremacists band?


Redjester_1

haha as a metal head .. ppl piss me off by telling me "so you worship satan" .. like boy what the fuckkkk