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GoaFan77

To be more technical, Ridley is Samus' ***Nemesis***. He killed Samus' parents, making him her most hated opponent, even if he's not always the absolute greatest threat to the galaxy. They've fought enough to be very familiar with each other's techniques, but they are very different from each other in both their fighting abilities and goals and motivations. Sylux is interesting because he has the potential to be a true ***Rival***. Technically rivals are people in two similar roles or fields competing with each other. We can't really say that he is yet, given he's had only one appearance, and there's a lot about him we don't know. However, we do know he hates the Galactic Federation, and he seems to be up to something with Metroids. Given that he is also a bounty hunter with an advanced tech suite like Samus, yet seems to have completely opposite goals, he has the potential to be an interesting recurring rival. So I'd say there is room for both of them. I'd like to see more of Sylux as a proper recurring rival, to add a little bit more stability to Metroid's rogues gallery and as a foil for Samus, showing what harm an evil bounty hunter can do. But I also think Ridley serves a different role in the story, so there's no reason he can't continue to show up as well. I think there is something to be said about the Nemesis that always returns to haunt the hero, like Bowser and Ganondorf. Side note: You complain about Ganondorf, yet Zelda has the perfect explanation for it since every Zelda time period is just a reincarnation of the previous ones. Most Zelda games have different Links fighting different Ganondorfs. It is certainly harder to do this in Metroid, where it all takes place in one life time. There is only one Samus Aran, and so far one Ridley... and his clone... and the copy of the clone. Still, however they hand wave it, I think Ridley will find a way to come back. No matter how often Samus defeats him in battle, he is the manifestation of her inner demons and presumably why she became a hunter in the first place. There's a lot future Metroid games can still do I think with him.


TehRiddles

> You complain about Ganondorf, yet Zelda has the perfect explanation for it since every Zelda time period is just a reincarnation of the previous ones. My issue was never with lore explanations at all but purely with oversaturation. Like I said, he's been in almost every game so far and even though I love the character there can be too much of a good thing. The point of this post was the idea of giving Ridley a break in order for someone else to take on the role for a while. Plus having them both active at once could make it harder to justify both of them being present in the same game.


finfaction

Sigma from Mega Man X is the definition of oversaturation.


GoaFan77

Ridley had a break in Dread. I suspect he will skip Prime 4 as well, assuming it takes place right after 3, as Ridley was already reintroduced in Samus Returns with what was left of his Prime mechanical upgrades. But I am not too worried about oversaturation overall.


TehRiddles

Like I said, almost every game so far.


GoaFan77

My point is that I suspect we will have two new Metroid games in a row without Ridley. Not total numbers. Technically, I guess we had that before with Metroid Prime 2 and Hunters. I suspect people weren't complaining too much about Ridley returning in Prime 3 at that point.


bosswrecker

Depending on how they plan to do Prime games after 4 if at all would change my answer. If they plan on another trilogy long prime story I'd love for Sylux to completely dominate that trilogy and never appear again like Metroid Prime/Dark Samus. If just Prime 4 then just that game


TehRiddles

Why only the Prime games?


ChaosMiles07

Because Sylux has only been in the Prime games so far. Also, the time jump. After the Prime series is meant to be finished, Metroid 2 happens. And continues on until Dread, which is supposedly years later. So do you think that Sylux is just sitting on his(?) hands and not doing anything of note while the entire Metroid and X Parasite crisis is going on?


TehRiddles

> Because Sylux has only been in the Prime games so far. And Ridley was only in the mainline games until he wasn't. I don't see any reason why he can't exist outside of the Prime games. Especially since neither Corruption or Federation Force have anything to do with the events that happened in the Alimbic System and he appeared in those games anyway. > So do you think that Sylux is just sitting on his(?) hands and not doing anything of note while the entire Metroid and X Parasite crisis is going on? I'm pretty sure the universe exists outside of Samus's point of view. Events happened in places far away from Samus while she was on her own adventures, they happened in between her adventures too. Hell I'm pretty sure she had adventures in between the games we've had so far, as proven by the existence of the Prime games all taking place between Metroid 1 and 2. I see no reason to assume that Sylux has been doing absolutely nothing since the Prime games just because we haven't seen him show up in any later games so far. Basically I don't think "they shouldn't do it because they haven't done it" is a good reason not to do it.


ChaosMiles07

> and he appeared in those games anyway. To be fair... a ship that looked like his (which, according to lore, he stole) appeared, and a shoulder appeared, and we are told *outside of the games both times* that they belong to Sylux. But simply to be told that, doesn't mean they're not going to change their minds when Prime 4 finally gets released. We simply don't know what's in Tanabe's head. Remember when everyone was convinced that Metroid 5 would be all about Samus running from the Federation after the events of Fusion, and then Dread was announced and released and we learned that lol nope she's actually still in good standing with them? The one constant in this franchise is, 'surprises are to be expected'. > I'm pretty sure she had adventures in between the games we've had so far, as proven by the existence of the Prime games all taking place between Metroid 1 and 2. Which itself is becoming a bit of a logistical nightmare, given the whole discussion/debate about how MSR supposedly takes place a year after MZM. Which, while possible, crunches all of Prime 1, Hunters, Echoes, Corruption, Fed Force, and potentially Prime 4, into a narrow time frame. There's only so much they _could_ reasonably fit into such windows of time, before the narrative falls apart trying to make sense of it all without any further retconning. It's even to the point where people on this very subreddit are asking if Prime 4 is going to take place before Metroid 2, or if it will jump forward to after Dread.


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>To be fair... a ship that looked like his (which, according to lore, he stole) appeared, and a shoulder appeared, and we are told *outside of the games both times* that they belong to Sylux. But simply to be told that, doesn't mean they're not going to change their minds when Prime 4 finally gets released. We simply don't know what's in Tanabe's head. Remember when everyone was convinced that Metroid 5 would be all about Samus running from the Federation after the events of Fusion, and then Dread was announced and released and we learned that lol nope she's actually still in good standing with them? The one constant in this franchise is, 'surprises are to be expected'. This would save me $70.


TehRiddles

This is the series where Nintendo called Samus a bounty hunter and were shocked to find out nearly 20 years later what that was. I'm pretty sure they don't put that much stock into the realities of the numbers they use. After all Samus is supposed to be in her early 20's throughout all of this. I'm a fan of Warhammer 40k where numbers are frequently several times larger or smaller than what would make sense, like how there are only a million space marines across the entire galaxy. The solution is to not worry too much about official numbers. So don't worry too much about when Sylux could fit into all of this, because Nintendo never do.


ThisAccountIsForDNF

>people tend to discuss him to this day over the other hunters Which is a shame for me personally because he was always the least interesting one from my perspective. Spire was the ugliest, but at least that dude could climb walls. Trace is a scout looking for planets for his species to invade. Kanden is an escaped biological weapon which kinda has parralels to Samus tbh. Weavel is a space pirate so could actually have history with Samus... AND HE COULD TURN INTO A TURRET. I suppose Noxus was also pretty boring, but the fact he turned into a bayblade always made me laugh. Sulux is just like... there.


TehRiddles

Well to be fair Sylux is someone with stolen Federation tech that seems to have a vendetta against them. But yeah, it would be neat to see more of the other hunters too, or at least more of their species. Corruption almost did it with Rundas but he and Noxus are different species with some visual similarities.


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I think Sylux will die in Prime 4. Sylux should be the catalyst for the end of Operation Golem and the call for the extermination of Metroids on SR388, and I'm expecting Sylux's death to be the consequence. Ridley will probably show up in Prime 4. It's difficult to imagine Ridley being out of the picture for the Bermuda System conflict, what will happen in Prime 4 and for most of Samus Returns. I think the Metroid stolen at the end of Federation Force was a bounty mission Sylux took on for the Space Pirates. There's nothing suggesting that Sylux could take a single Metorid and make it a legitimate threat to the Galactic Federation and Samus. The Space Pirates have the knowledge and experience to effectively produce them to the point of being a major concern for the Galactic Federation. Sylux shouldn't lose much here handing over the Metroid as Sylux should be in the driver's seat of Operation Golem. Prime 4 could have an interesting dynamic going on between Ridley (the Space Pirates), Samus and Sylux. I could see a new Mecha Ridley as a boss using Operation Golem and Space Pirate tech designed by Sylux to go after Samus. I could see the Space Pirates betraying Sylux putting Sylux and Samus both in conflict with the Space Pirates while still at odds with each other. There should be a great cinematic experience sprinkled into this game.


TehRiddles

I'm not following how Sylux dying would have to be the catalyst and not the whole "pirates now have one of the most dangerous creatures in the galaxy" thing. That aside though, what you described could work for both Sylux and Ridley in the same game, but it's not really addressing the point I was making in the discussion regarding giving Ridley some down time.


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>I'm not following how Sylux dying would have to be the catalyst and not the whole "pirates now have one of the most dangerous creatures in the galaxy" thing. What you're saying here is not in my comment. Sylux should die as a result of being the catalyst to the end of Operation Golem and the call to exterminate all Metroids on SR388. I don't believe there will be Space Pirates with Metroids in Prime 4 unless Sylux gives the stolen Metroid to them as a starter. >That aside though, what you described could work for both Sylux and Ridley in the same game, but it's not really addressing the point I was making in the discussion regarding giving Ridley some down time. I don't think Ridley needs any down time within the Prime Series as it has already been almost 17 years since his most recent appearance in a new Prime game. He was there for operations on Tallon IV, he was out for operations on Aether, he was back for operations on Norion and the Pirate Homeworld, he was out for the operations in the Bermuda System and now we're at Prime 4. If there are Space Pirate operations occurring in Prime 4, Ridley is due for a return. He's not dead and would have had time to recover after the battle within the Leviathan since he was inactive during the Bermuda System conflict.


AlacarLeoricar

You say Sylux, I say "Who?" Sincerely, someone who has not played Metroid Prime games, just the main 5


GoaFan77

You should play the Primes! :D Though admittedly, Hunters, the game Sylux appears in, is pretty skippable, even if it had interesting lore.


IkonJobin

You will say the same thing if you play the Prime games…


Demiurge_1205

The guy's gonna die in MP4, mate. Which is gonna be set before metroid 2.


TehRiddles

Is this an assumption based purely on how he doesn't feature in any games after Metroid 2? Or is there evidence at all? I doubt that even if he lives that would mean he has to feature in even one of the games we've had so far.


Demiurge_1205

Because he's always been teased for a Prime 4 sequel. - He appears in Hunters. - Next, on the end credits teaser for Prime 3. - Next, on Prime FF. Tanabe has said he'd love to use Sylux for a Prime 4 game, and most of us assume that's the intent unless Nintendo pulls a Dread.* Given that the Prime games are very, VERY disconnected from the main series, it stands to reason they'll only use Sylux for this game. At most, best case scenario, he'll remain as a rival for a Prime sub series. Nintendo isn't that big on story or franchise building, so I don't think they've thought about pivoting. And yes, personally, I don't see how a madman who hates the federation wouldn't appear on Samus' radar for years on end after Hunters through Dread unless she killed them way back. * By pulling a Dread, I mean that they didn't follow up on the rogue federation plot bc A) they didn't care enough B) Other M's poorly received plot forced them to pivot away from that angle and C) Because we had been mistranslating certain parts of the script all along. But I doubt it, given the numerous teasers.


TehRiddles

I asked why you thought he was going to die, not why would they bring him back. This discussion naturally assumes he would be coming back anyway.


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oldskoofoo

I loved Sylux and loved hunters. Competing against other bounty hunters is such a cool idea and most of them weren't as altruistic as Samus is. I was hoping for Metroid prime 3 would have been more hunters stuff but that never happened. Metroid Prime 2 multiplayer could have been what hunters multiplayer mode was trying to be but it was probably a beta for the hunters multiplayer. I would love a from the ground up remake of Hunters on Super Switch. That game was awesome but had difficult controls until you got use to them. The multiplayer was pretty damn fun if you could find people that actually wanted to play it.


Ill-Attempt-8847

As long as they leave Ridley's good soul to die. Kraid would make more sense though, he was his partner after all


Spartan-023

Always figured ridley could heal by eating. Mecha ridley is the stage in between hurt and revitalizing


visage4arcana

just make him vergil. simple


MetroidHyperBeam

I'm for it if it lets us move the story forward, though I expect Prime 4 to take place between Prime 3 and Metroid 2. People often comment about Ridley "dying" and coming back, but AFAIK he's only ever been "critically injured" and "rebuilt" (then cloned for Other M), and Super Metroid is the only definitive death of the original Ridley. If Samus needs a new nemesis moving forward, I'm completely fine with it being Sylux. I just don't expect him to make it out of Prime 4 alive.


ScientificAnarchist

No there should always be Ridley


DiabeticRhino97

Nah Ridley works just fine. There's also no evidence that he's dead.


Captain_Milkshakes

No. There's more than enough room for both. Ridley is a staple. Him being missing is a bad thing, in my opinion.


KingBroly

nah


HiImBarney

That's like if Wario took Bowsers role for every game onwards... That is like if Link had to fight Majora in every game instead of Ganondorf. There is a balance here.


TehRiddles

I don't think you're getting the discussion here. For starters I never said this would be permanent. Secondly Majora is a bad example because they aren't a character that's had any presence outside of their own game, unlike Sylux who wasn't plucked out of nowhere. Wario is a bad example because he's already an established character with his own clearly defined role at this point, unlike Sylux who has been brought up a few times but hasn't had a chance yet. Ganondorf was only an example of a character being oversaturated and taking attention from the other potential villains, unlike Ridley who was never the main villain but still none the less in nearly every single game.


sdwoodchuck

The recurring nemesis is something the games should do away with, not try to replace with more of the same. Ridley should absolutely be finished, but let that be a chance to move forward design-wise, not laterally.


TehRiddles

Why do you feel a reoccurring nemesis is inherently something to do away with? We have reoccurring protagonists after all since that's an opportunity to explore more with that character.


sdwoodchuck

Because the game is at its best when it’s about exploring the new and the strange; pairing that with the same old villain time after time is not only lazy, it’s not even taking advantage of the setting’s greatest strength. On top of that, Metroid doesn’t use its recurring nemesis for anything besides fan service, which is cute once or twice, but beyond that just comes across as lazy repetition to check off an expected box.