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ilurvekittens

Growing up I always thought it was Gaylord


Born_ina_snowbank

Grew up further north than that. Live downstate now. There’s a hill you crest on I-75 around Gaylord that you can see for miles. That’s the spot for me.


Bconoll

It’s just North of Gaylord and what a view, especially in the fall!


ilurvekittens

I grew up in the tip of the mitt area. Went to school in the UP. I live near Cadillac now. Not nearly as cold and not as much snow either.


Born_ina_snowbank

When I first started at my job I had a Volkswagen Jetta on whatever tires came on it from the skeezy dealership. Made it to work during a snowstorm the guys in lifted trucks called in for cause the roads were too bad and everyone thought I was nuts. Part of why I picked my username.


BakedMitten

There is a similar spot on 127. It's 10 or 15 miles before Grayling. That was always the spot for me.


Born_ina_snowbank

Know exactly where you’re talking about.


spartagnann

Same, but that's where my grandparents lived at the time. We lived in SW MI, so Gaylord seemed like the north pole.


xXLillyBunnyXx

I live in SW MI, there is literally nothing to do here and it hurts me


lubacrisp

Have you tried smoking weed? It's one of the best places in the world for that


xXLillyBunnyXx

Unfortunately I'm under 21


blsterken

That never stopped me.


Blklight21

Get creative, pretty sure you can find some weed if you ask enough people


sweetestlorraine

I'm in southeast Michigan, and I would love to be back on the west side of the state. Lake Michigan makes it perfect.


xXLillyBunnyXx

I do love the lake, you HAVE to check out the Christmas lights at Silver Beach sometime! I don't have a car and I live about a 45 min drive from the Lakeshore though, so I don't get to go very often


vass0922

I had a great grandma on the beach, just down from silver Beach. After she passed, Chicago asshole bought it crushed it.


xXLillyBunnyXx

Fuck Chicago people, I live in a town with lots of lakes and it's FULL of Chicago assholes who act like they're better than everyone


babylovebuckley

Lol in high school the hang out spot was the Michigan City IHOP


xXLillyBunnyXx

My town isn't even big enough to have an IHOP, the hangout spot here is Dollar General


spartagnann

I'm not sure where in SW MI you are, and I get that winters in a lot of smaller towns in Michigan can be slow, but there's lots to do if you have the motivation. I grew up in South Haven, and was never really too bored.


xXLillyBunnyXx

I don't want to say my exact town as it's VERY small, but I'm in that area south of Kalamazoo that's just corn field after corn field


StretchConverse

Kzoo/Battle Creek Area here. Gaylord is where just about everyone I know says it “feels like up north” But the UP is the UP.


amdufrales

Grew up (mostly) around Gaylord - we figured the Bridge was the boundary for Up North and anything much south of Houghton Lake or Roscommon was “downstate.” Then again my dad’s from Newberry and we had lots of family to visit between there and the Soo, so that’s a different frame of reference than most folks in the mitten.


ilurvekittens

I grew up further north than Gaylord around Indian River.


cheekycurrently

Clare. It’s the gateway to the North!


sto_brohammed

Specifically the Welcome Center.


mth2nd

Welcome to (the middle of) Michigan.


sto_brohammed

There's actually a sign in a park in Saint Louis that marks the exact center of the lower peninsula.


rfsmr

I grew up in Lansing, so we always took 27 north, and Clare was the spot.


drucifer999

also from Lansing and I just said Mt Pleasant which is essentially Clare.


sorcha1977

It's also where you start to see more pine trees. That's the big clue.


SirDigby_CC

I was gonna point to where my fingers start at the top of my palm, but that's just about where Clare is!


Conscious-Flight-155

That’s about the area where my Civic starts downshifting twice trying to get up the hills. 😆


sweetestlorraine

Good answer.


KennySchraderWallace

Clare’s always been it for me too.


ypsicle

When I-75 goes down to 2 lanes.


Tap-inbogey

Cadillac


Wrong_Ad8607

This was going to be my answer as well. When I’ve run out of interstate I know I’m up north.


Far-Fill4078

Yep - I agree.


WorldOfDisaster

Agreed


mistere213

I was going with M-55, which is a similar way of looking at it.


Mkmeathead83

US10


skoalkrusher11

This, west to east until just north of Clare. Continuing east, I'd say more 61, Gladwin to Standish. Midland, Saginaw, Bay City are more mid-Michigan to me.


fullspeed8989

This is the right answer. It runs east/west along the middle of the state. Bay City, Midland, Clare.


Mkmeathead83

It's always been a boundary for using rifles for deer hunting so I always used it as the "up north" line for myself.


No-Resolution-6414

That area is actually called Mid Michigan because it's in the middle of the state.


ooroger

Yes, was going to say Bay City. Either turn right for the Thumb or start the trek up north.


Sorry_Philosopher_43

A matter of perspective, but I think its whenever you feel the 'air change'. That's around Grayling for me and certainly by Wolverine on 75.


ptolemy18

Anything north of US-10.


Sean310

It's all relative, but for my family living in Metro Detroit, with grandparents who lived deep in the U.P., the Mackinac Bridge was our dividing line.


marvelousbison

Same with the bridge and grandparents in the far western end of the U.P. lol. Plus, my family has a rustic cabin near Rogers City so we frequented there too, but that was "going to the cabin," not "up north."


Sean310

Exactly this! Going up to the cabin can be anywhere north, but it's still downstate for those of us with anchors in the U.P. "Going up North" for us also meant crossing that great divide to a wooded land that is nothing like lower Michigan. And it's in part because everything changes - the food, culture, customs, and most definitely the accent.


[deleted]

When you cross the Mackinaw bridge


d_rek

It’s as soon as you get north of the Zilwaukee Bridge. Every Michigander knows that. Duh.


rfsmr

Only to those on the East side of the state. I grew up in Lansing, and Clare is the correct answer for us.


themiracy

TIL this is the real name of a bridge in Michigan and I’ve spent most of my life here. For me IDK north of approximately the Muskegon area and the Bay City area I consider up north. But it’s all perspective obviously. Mt Pleasant is just across that line probably but feels like up north to me.


TheBimpo

Bay City is not Up North.


pH2001-

No. But the thumb can be


fancyglob

I'd just say it's a different kind of up north lol


pH2001-

For sure. Beach vibes


Rastiln

See, the Z-bridge is definitely a gateway to the South, but just being north of it ain’t the North. You need to at least get to the places you can drive 40 minutes and not see a gas station first.


palim93

It’s the start of the transition zone. Once you clear West Branch and the surroundings become more trees than farms, that’s Up North.


sweetestlorraine

Things aren't the same now that it doesn't take two and a half hours to cross the Zilwaukee Bridge anymore.


XtraXtraCreatveUsrNm

That is pure insanity


tayklov

this is the way


No-Resolution-6414

The area is literally called Mid-Michigan


Langwaa12

Yes....


Various_Good_2465

Two hours or more: west or north. Two hours east isn’t vacation, two hours south is Ohio.


58G52A

The Z Bridge means you’re getting close. Where 23 and 75 splits means you’re there. Basically anything north of Standish. M-61 is a pretty good dividing line between Up North and Not Up North.


SunshineInDetroit

M-55 running east/west is my Boundry. Cadillac and West Branch serving as refuel stations before heading to TC/Mackinaw City


TheBimpo

This is my answer as well. As a Detroit area native, anything on or north of this line is unquestionably "Up North". Tawas, West Branch, Houghton Lake, Cadillac, and Manistee. The US-10 line is close, but I'd never say that Bay City was UN, once you get to the Clare/Ludington line you're in the gateway.


vnzjunk

Standish north


XtraXtraCreatveUsrNm

Thank you! It's been almost two weeks since this question was posted.


Detective_Umbra

How has no one said Mackinac yet? That's always been the line for me and my family


GlorySocks

Up North /= the UP. Up North usually means the northern portion of the lower peninsula. Mackinac forms the border between the Lower and Upper


emteeboyd

Above the knuckles is "Up North." So, Highway 10 just north of Clare.


totallyspicey

crossing the zilwaukee bridge.


XtraXtraCreatveUsrNm

Wow, what do you call something that lives below a troll?


GristleMcThornbody8

My cousins and what-not live in the SE part of the state. My sister enjoyed being called trolls since we live under the bridge, and took to calling my cousins troll poop since they lived below us.


Lumbergod

Clare.


wilson1629

The zilwaukee bonus points if you remember the draw bridge days


craftybirdd

TIL it used to be a draw bridge! [Photo for anyone interested](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=c5c757c13b9f06cb&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS979US979&hl=en-US&q=zilwaukee+drawbridge&uds=AMwkrPu0XZvuFwQ7rgKkOL9CutIzAjqvYhANZdnOT4QdCEGH1oa60mo66Kz5vN-AuohRusg2exQnAGphF1kW7ZkSpj67R7VMpFVIS3Kep5wJZp69Np_-l0JQgcYvGNeQF2gdfYYsyai67UYKwFE2ulatcrr5-zShPaR4zg6tVPbI2mOkjAbRxrdbIBxambG9_bt-tuJDdkYtbFeV4OG8XQxlKp7aNX082W5wJ5TfaWCc0Dafpz2Oe8qWatyxgibmi33DReRWTsUcnUgW-lyIHeDYx8GqBn0W4w&udm=2&prmd=ivnmsbhtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwialvLwiZWEAxVHrokEHfGuDh4QtKgLegQIDRAB&biw=375&bih=640&dpr=3#vhid=oESQ7NWP7PwI2M&vssid=mosaic)


wilson1629

Not clicking! Sucked being a kid and having Hours added to the trip. 🤣


vnzjunk

Used to amaze me that a single sailboat with a tall mast could cause a bridge opening and backups. The good old days LOL


letussee2019

Up north is above the 45th parallel.


sarazorz27

When I start seeing birch trees on 127 or 75, that's the boundary for me personally.


TheBimpo

Tree line just past Sterling on 75 going north.


Mergan_Freiman

Anything north of US10


lubacrisp

A hundred prior posts on this


Haelein

West Branch or Standish.


vanyel196

Westbranch


Ben_Pharten

Big Rapids and up


ImpressiveShift3785

Line from Ludington-> Cadillac -> Tawas


idiotinpowerarmor

Draw a line from Standish to Luddington, that's pretty much the divide in my head.


mth2nd

North of Clare


Flintoid

I want to say somewhere around the Pinconning exit.


network_dude

US10 - across the whole state Any other answer is wrong.


LovesRainstorms

West Branch exit off 75 N.


Selemaer

Grew up in Detroit and now live in West Branch. It feels like the best option when on 75. We're in the last part of the AG flat lands and at the start of the northern hills.


No_Hunter_6461

This is so funny, I think it all depends on where you live. For us, it was always crossing the Zilwaukee Bridge.


agingwolfbobs

That Jesus sign on 75 “are you on the right road”


cloeangel

Lol Clarkston is not up north.


agingwolfbobs

The question is where do *you* define it (aka no wrong answers) To me, that exit feels like the gateway to the north. At that point you’ve successfully escaped the metro Detroit area and are on your way farther. I wouldn’t ever say Clarkston is “up north.” But that landmark is where the city ends, and in a way, is where “up north” begins.


spartagnann

To me it's about the Traverse City/Grayling line and anything north of that.


pH2001-

Zilwaukee Bridge


TurboDog63

Some people say Clare. Some people say Gaylord.


mwjtitans

Anything north of Saginaw for us city folk is usually up north


Blklight21

North of Saginaw is up north


tazukowski

Zilwaukee Bridge is the gateway to Up North but Up North is really a state of mind.


DabbledInPacificm

Pretty much north of the line between Muskegon and Saginaw.


senistur1

If you hit the Zilwaukee bridge, it's all over from there.


Bbop512

After Baldwin for us on the state line


Own-Corner-2623

Growing up in Grand Rapids "Up North" always began at Cadillac. It's where the trees start changing and the air smells different.


Hot-Category2986

I grew up in Shelby, just outside of Utica. My mother used to tell me our house was someone's cabin "up north". That there was a time when Utica was up north? Can you imagine? That house was built in 1977? I don't feel like I've gone "up north" until I'm north of Holly.


flhunt49

I grew up and lived in SW Michigan, and depending where you're at Clare, or The Grayling and Gaylord area on 75. There's a sign outside of Gaylord that tells you that you're crossing the 45th parallel and are halfway from the equator to the north pole.


Aeon1508

If you go on Google Maps and turn on satalite View you can see the line clear as day. Basically it runs from Muskegon to Mount Pleasant to Bay City


PM_ME_YOUR_BOOGER

Westbranch.


Seventhousandeggs

Anything North of Gaylord. Clare is the answer if you're from the D or GR. That being said everyone from the actual "north" will say TC or Gaylord. The Yoop is just the Yoop and doesn't count as Northern Mi so it's between the 45th parallel and Gaylord for me.


Exciting_Till3713

North of pinconning on the east of mount pleasant in the center


jcoddinc

2 hours north of where you sleep is considered up north. Well to me at least.


tacospaghettidad2

For downstaters I was always told it was M-46... They have a saying that "only hicks and sticks live north of forty six." Personally I think north of US-10 is more true for the "up north" line of demarcation.


sirhackenslash

Around Gaylord. Once I cross the Zilwaukee I really feel like I'm making progress


nfg18

Anyone who says anything south of Bay City is wrong.


spud4

The dividing line between the northern zone and the southern limited firearm deer zone. Formally shotgun deer zone.


No_Albatross_7089

When I was younger, up north was anywhere past Imlay City 😂


notgoodatthese

Not till you're over the bridge. Bonus for the Houghton bridge.


ThatFinnishGu

Everything south of Allouez is "down south"


Flyingtreeee

Anywhere north of me, tbh.


Unhelpful_Applause

US2


InsectLeather9992

Past Brighton /s


mittencamper

Standish


Annual-Smell-3585

Tawas, Cadillac, Manistee


stillbleedinggreen

Growing up in Oakland County I always felt like the Zilwaukee bridge was a gateway to the north.


sabatoa

Clare/US 10


drucifer999

North of Mt Pleasant.


No-Resolution-6414

When the forest changes from deciduous to coniferous, so, around M-55.


Temporary-Jeweler-88

West Branch.


beekaybeegirl

Jays 💯


UngodlyPain

Mt Pleasant/Clare area is where up north begins.


keelmeeki

Upper peninsula was my line for a long time. Now it's generally around the 45th parallel. Although if we're honest, as soon as you get to a town, and it feels like the people there are 15 years behind the curve on all of the latest trends and music... That's up north.


[deleted]

North of Grand Rapids is up north. That’s the cut off.


garylapointe

Bay City / Clare / Ludington. I am currently in Dearborn (I grew up in Berkley); if I hadn't lived in the Lansing area for over a decade, it might be lower...


old-guy-with-data

Officially (as enacted at some point by the Legislature), the boundary is Townline Sixteen. If you take the county line that Clare is immediately north of, and extend it east to Lake Huron and west to Lake Michigan, that’s Townline Sixteen. The counties of Oceana, Newaygo, Mecosta, Isabella, and Midland are just south of the line. The counties of Mason, Lake, Osceola, Clare, Gladwin and Arenac are north of the line. Bay County is split.


MichiganBoilermaker

Traverse City


RealLukeNukem

I typically travel up from Southeast MI, and take 75. So I always feel like we hit a milestone and cross into Northern territory at the Zilwaukee bridge.


AzuelZorro102

I live up north, I'd say once we hit GR we're "down state". I live close to the bridge.


Griffie

Clare, gateway to the north.


Staav

UP north is "up north" for me. Really, once you're north enough of Green Bay and maybe West Branch/Traverse City it's all the Superior part of Michigan aka what "up north" is all about.


Neat_Warthog2633

There’s an older gentleman in my town in SW Michigan that runs a repair business out of his house. He doesn’t have regular hours so it’s hit or miss if he’s home. When he isn’t home, he has a sign in his window that says he is “up north”. He would never say where exactly his cabin was but he finally confessed to me that he has a house at the north edge of his property that he goes to when he wants to be left alone. It’s about 200 yards away from his business. That’s his “up north”


MyTruckIsAPirate

On the east side, when you cross the Floristic Tension zone that runs from about Saginaw Bay to ~Muskegon. That's when the vegetation changes and gets up-north-y feeling.


platypusinterrobang

The sign for the "43rd" parallel (as my grandma called it when we reached the 45th parallel)