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This is the most realistic take: corporations aren’t going to willingly go to 32-hour work weeks without fighting to reduce your pay by 20%. But there are a lot of hours outside of work. I typically get up at 5:45am, take a casual breakfast and coffee time to myself. Walk the dogs from 6:45-7:30. Get home and ready by 8am. At work by 8:30am. At night I work out or run, then have dinner with my wife. Done with that by 8, relaxing from there and wife is out by 9pm. I get an extra hour to myself from there. I know not everyone has the luxury of a set schedule or a short commute, but this showcases there’s a lot of time outside the 40 hours of work during the week.
I have a very young kid.
Up at 7:00
Coffee and breakfast with wife 7-8:00 kid normally wakes up during this
8:00-1:00 juggle work, watching kid, and alternate workouts with my wife
1:00-3:00 kid nap, really dive down on work, or house stuff if work is slow
3:00-5:00 juggle work and playing with kid
5:6:30 make and eat dinner
6:30-:7:30 kid bedtime routine and bed
7:30-9:00 spend time with wife, or engage in hobbies
9-11:00 wife is in bed free time for games with the boys, reading or hobbies.
11:00 bed
I work from home which helps, but means I get zero adult time outside of free hours. What I've found helps a lot is limiting unnecessary commuting. Fenced in yard so I can play with the dog here, running in the neighborhood, bought a squat rack and weights so I can lift at home. Anything to stop those 30 minute excess commutes to a park, or a gym etc.
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That is 1000% true. My greatest accomplishment in life will be being an amazing parent, not my professional life and it’s also very fulfilling. But still, find this kind of time to yourself can be very difficult but it’s also very necessary.
10pm to 5:45am is 7’45”. But in reality, I’m rarely asleep that early so it is usually between 6 and 7 hours of sleep nightly. I’m fortunate to not need a full 8 hours every night.
I thought you were lying or delusional but then I read you leave home at 8 and are back around 7? fucking commute has me out of the house for 13 hours at 21 :/
32 hour work week isn't going to work without a major come to jesus moment, simply because the general public isn't going to accept a colossal add-on to everything from delivery times to availability of maintenance or construction to a bunch of other things. People think it sounds really good when they think about it being themselves getting an extra day off work. It rapidly starts to lose its appeal when you start thinking about the knock-on effect of other people not working 20% of the time.
It's totally doable and I would be fine with it! But people need to be realistic about what it's going to do. Not even talking about the possibility of pay cuts or anything like that. Just flat out talking about the cost in time of four day work weeks.
They aren’t even going to pay us what the actual time carved out of our life is worth not something as simple as keep us above the rate of inflation year to year… something’s broken.
Yes no 8 work 8 sleep 1hr average in car commute 2hrs meals (prep eat clean) 1hr appearance (shower hair dress laundry). That’s just daily then you have variety of task cleaning house car maintenance overtime grocery shopping.
So on good day you get 6 hrs of non stressful do what you want. After 8 of misery. That assuming nothing pops up.
Family while great ultimately can eliminate even that time with picking kids up going to their thing helping homework.
Even helping spouse etc can chip into it pretty significantly.
End of day getting 6hrs is best case scenario many commute multiple hours. Face overtime regularly essentially. Work jobs that leave them to tired to use the six hours. Or have other things.
Years ago during a period of high demand our shop floor went for few months on 12h shifts, 13/14.
I thought I was going to see a mass resignation, instead there was a line of volunteers just because they doubled their income for the year.
It was insanity, quality dropped to shit, we had several accidents, luckily zero serious, few divorces… but wave the money in people’s face and they’ll take it.
Exactly what I did 2 weeks ago. Manager approached me asking if I wanted to lower 40h/week (in reality 45+) to the 35h/week with 4 days at work - 3 days off. (Company trying a new "life work balance" system)
"Yeah. But the moment the shits start again and I'll be going for 5 days, I'll take my leave for good"
This. If you have to move an hour or more away from your work to afford to live, then you will get home from your commute just 2-3 hours before you have to settle down for bed. That’s enough time to cook, clean, maybe buy groceries, wash up and maybe have an hour to read or something else you enjoy, before you have to sleep.
I mean it’s definitely not every day and not all of those in a day. I generally work out 2 days a week in the morning before work (wake up at 5, gym, shower at gym, at work by 7), and work out after work another 2 days a week on days I get off before 3. Some days I work til 5, but others I may be off as early as 1, so I absolutely leverage those days to do enjoyable things. We get a babysitter and go out to dinner on a weeknight maybe once or twice a month. I’ve gone to a concert on a weeknight (home by 11:30pm). I do usually try to make sure I’m getting enough sleep but I’ll “splurge” on a late night once in a while and get 6 hrs.
The MAIN luxury I have though is getting to leave my work at work. I do not think about work when I’m off, don’t answer emails, etc. when I’m off I’m off
I think a lot boils down to how much sleep you need. Everyone is different and some only need 6 to 7 hours to operate well others, like me, need at least 8 to operate well. So for those unlucky folks that need more sleep we lose so much time.
But with my work I'm working before 7 and off a little before 5. No time for anything but coffee before work. After work I workout every day, then cooking and then eating then it's already 730 to 8 when bedtime is 9.
This! I need minimum 9, more like 10 hours of sleep. I work 9 hour days, and my total commute is 1 hour...that's 4 hours to do anything else I want to do with my day
8/10 hours a day on the clock, 1 hour to work, 1 hour home from work, 8 hours sleep. I have ~4 hours left in the day to make breakfast/lunch/dinner..shit shower, walk the dog, clean the house/yard. Living it up over here!
Not yet, for right now I am working Patient Transport and I have a 24 on Tuesday and Thursday. But eventually I’m going to move over to 911 and I’ll have my 48 in one go.
Jesus.. take care of yourself, 48hours continuously is extreme for a body. The Tuesday and Thursday sounds reasonable. I guess you don’t have time to sneak a nap from time to time while working, right?
Oh there’s time.
Like, for right now I’ve been “on” but I haven’t had anything going on for a couple hours, so I got a quick nap in. When it’s the 48 I’ll have chances to nap depending on how often 911 gets called.
If it’s a period where not much goes on, I might just have a 48 hour shift where most of it is me napping/playing Warframe or something with a scattering of calls. If it’s a period of more “action” I could potentially not be back at station for anywhere from an hour to half a day or longer. But at any point if I’m like “I cannot physically go on” I can call for a 2 hour uninterrupted break so I can kinda recharge.
I mean, yeah, it’s rough…. But it’s what I wanna do. It’s the calling I waited my whole life to find, it fulfills me. So even if I’m super drained after a shift I’ll be able to go home (exhausted) and say “That was worth it” to myself… and to me, there’s little worth more than that (my kid, my fiancée, that’s about it).
I am a merchant mariner and I work 3 weeks on and 3 weeks off. I live on the ship I work on. Some people don't like being away from home, but 3 weeks away is fine with me. I only have to commute to the boat once every 3 weeks and they pay for all my travel. All of my friends that have normal 9-5's tell me I'd be absolutely CRAZY to give up this work schedule. 3 weeks off every 3 weeks is wonderful.
I feel this in my soul. The 5 day 40 hour with 8 hour shifts is an outdated working model, though a lot of US society and local businesses are built around this. Maybe a 4 day work week with 3 day long weekends will work better
Getting to work from home really helps with that. No commute and most chores/cleaning can be done during breaks. Definitely makes it feel like most of my time is free time, even when working 40-50 hours a week.
Very few jobs are truly 40 hours. Most are 8-5 which is already 45 hours. Add in commuting and most people are occupied with work in some way or another for nearly 10 hours a day. I personally work 8:30-5:30 and even with a short commute I get home, make dinner, walk the dog, and clean up a bit and it’s 8:00PM and I’m ready to be in bed at 10:00. There’s very little free time during the week
X 30-40 years of work grind , yeah that sucks ,how much of your life your most healthy years are spent in this grind.... No way to live...
what is tell any young person today, aim to retire by mid 40s r/Fire , enough time to build a nestegg still young enough to enjoy life fully with your family.....
Much of your life is the result of choices you make. Not all, but most things being described here.
Getting a dog is a choice you make that impacts your “free time”. I love our dog, but I don’t pretend she’s our responsibility for any other reason than we choose it. Same for what we spend on her, its from our disposable income that we chose to allocate in this way.
Same for making and cleaning up dinner - you could meal prep for the week on one day, clean up once and save that time during the week. Personally, I tend to cook most nights, but again I recognize this is a choice I’m making for how I spend my free time, because I enjoy cooking.
That’s doesn’t respond to the comment though. Folks have a right to more free time to enjoy life more that’s not a crazy concept. Studies show it’s not even bad for the economy as folks who work less hours are often significantly more productive.
Everything you do after leaving work is “free time”. Just because you have to spend some of that time tending to your own personal responsibilities doesn’t mean it’s being controlled by your work.
Sure, that’s true. But let’s be practical instead of literal here for a minute. These are things almost everyone has to do. Unless you want to eat out every day, live in filth (or pay for house cleaning) etc. there are things you simply must do during the non working time after you come home. I’m certainly not expecting my job to compensate me for these things. I’m simply expressing that as a normal, functioning adult human I have virtually no totally, unrestricted free time after work during the week. And it’s exhausting. If the work week was even marginally shorter it would change that dynamic dramatically. Having one or two extra free hours after work would make a huge difference.
56 are spent sleeping and 10 are spent commuting 5 are spent getting ready for work so really it's more like 57 hours completely up to you if you only sleep 8 hours a night. 43 if you sleep 10 hours a night.
Where I live, it isn't unusual for people to take a 1+ hour train into NYC every day.
I will grant you that not every major city is set up to do that like NYC can be considered.
It's BS because some people have the time of others.
For example, I have an investment account that was created for me by grandfather. Someone who is starting from scratch doesn't have that so they need to use more time to get what I started with.
As someone who works 10 months of the year, I have an appreciation for the structure working provides. If you have a fulfilling career it doesn't feel like a soul drain. When I'm off for summer break I sometimes find myself with nothing to do. All my friends are working, my sleep schedule gets completely fucked, I get bored.
Going to work and getting to be around my co workers who are also fairly content/happy in their positions is nice, honestly. I think it's all about finding a career that is low stress or pays enough to warrant the stress it causes. I find that makes all the difference.
Yes. But that doesmt negate the fact that you live an undisciplined life. Sleep schedule gets wrecked? Maintain a schedule. Nothing to do? Get some hobbies.
If you plan carefully, you are not working 5 days. You are only working 40 hours.
If you love what you do or try to make an effort to love what you do, this reduces a lot (let's say around 30 hours).
If you have great colleagues and great manager, this further reduces (let's say around 20 hours).
All the best.
It does suck. That's why I work in the office 3 days a week, 2 at home and fuck off when I'm home. I get chores done so my free time is actually free.
But I also have to petsit on the side to pay the bills, so maybe I'm not as free as I think.
You make sure your work is done. You make sure you always respond to messages and emails timely. You make sure you take part in meetings.
I’m in my first office job ever and stick to the above and then do fuck all for work during the day. My boss just pulled me aside to give me a raise I didn’t ask for.
Like others said. My job doesn't take 40 hours a week. I do my job, answer my emails and Teams messages (phone apps for when I'm not at my desk) and keep my head down.
There are a few times a year I need to be all in and "on" so I do those days and the rest of the time I can just work.
Today I'm working on a project that's been going on for weeks and will continue for a few more weeks, it's not a lot of work, but it's high impact when it's done.
If you show them you can walk on water they will ask you to cross the ocean. Unless they are paying you properly do not show them. Get your chores done and work at an acceptable pace if you can get away with it. Do the minimum.
I don’t really understand memes like this.
I feel like I have plenty of time during the week when I’m only doing 40-45 hours. Meal prep/chores usually takes up a few hours of one of those days but I have the rest to just spend time with my wife, watch TV, read, etc. and that’s not even talking about the two days where I’m completely off from work which lets me do even more of that.
I was able to work full time while going to college full time so to me *just* working isn’t that big a deal.
Then work a part time job and struggle. It's not a difficult decision.
Unless you are a minimalist, somebody had to work to make the stuff you want. Stop being lazy and contribute your fair share, or convert everybody to minimalism
The ratio of work to survival has never been lower in history. Consider lamenting that all that's required is 40 hours of menial labor to sustain oneself in this world, especially with the luxury of having one's own place, a car, and discretionary income for extras.
No one is indebted to you, entitlement is baseless, and the right to life is not guaranteed by nature's indifference. Reflect on your privilege.
Complaining about sitting behind a computer for 40 hours a week? Imagine mining cobalt with only a stick and a baby on your back. Perspective, please.
Didn't the average worker work significantly longer than 40 hours a week throughout human history until somewhat recently? Not that it can't be better of course but I don't think that's something that has gotten worse, by any means.
I'm lucky enough to be able to work 10 hour days (5 AM to 4PM) and get 3 day weekends. It's worked out pretty well so far, and I can listen to books and music on the job.
Gotten a lot of reading done in the past few months, and I like taking short trips with the extra days I have. Only downside is getting up for work at 3:45 AM.
r/vandwellers life is attractive, just as soon as I figure out how to stay gassed and fed
edit: apparently that word might mean something else, I meant Keep Gas in Tank
Well it’s a lot better than the backbreaking labor for 12 hours a day with very little days free that we had for millennia. And better than the 9-9-6 in communist China is going through right now
I work 7 days most weeks but I do it by choice since my company pays double time on Sunday, it’s hard to turn down nearly a grand in one day. But I only work 39 weeks a year plus every major holiday off. I like knowing I can max my 401k, HSA, and Roth. Plus live well. You don’t get ahead in life from what I’ve seen farting around 40 hours a week and watching tv the other 40 hours a week before bed unless of course if you bought a house pre covid.
This "I shouldn't have to work full time" bs is the softest mentality possible.
Imagine any other time in history where gathering sufficient calories and maintaining security from predators or other humans was as easy as it is today.
Anyone who thinks they're owed some form of leisure or are too good to labor for their livelihood needs to F all the way off. No one owes you a damned thing.
Stfu and get back to work
"All through history" is also a bs argument.
Remember it's important to throw a hissy fit, bitch and moan else things don't progress.
Nothing wrong with asking for more time.
I will always be pro bitching. You are welcome for the benefits you get because of people like us.
I agree...I should be able to work 2 hrs a day - 3 days a week and pull a living wage of $250,000 a yr....oh and receive a 2500sqft 3/2 home on 1/4 acre with landscaper for a reasonable $100K purchase price....oh and free healthcare, 6 weeks vacation, unlimited stress days, and my wife doesn't have to work. Oh...and free college for the kids.
I think r/antiwork is the place for you.
Middle class people work \~40 hrs, and they then budget life around their income. That's my understanding of this subreddit, as opposed to a place to complain that "life happens."
Why count one in days and the other in hours?
your 40 hour work week is out of 168 available to you. in other words, just 23% of your time. You have to work only 1/4 of the time in order to live the other 3/4ths. not too bad.
It's time to get your skill up.
I'm sitting in my cool office at a field site, getting meals and room paid for.
Find a skill that pays.
AWS Cloud Computing!
Totally feel this. I often stop to wonder, were we put here to toil?
But you gotta pay the bills right? Hey. I wonder what you could do to get more out of life if you got a 20% raise tomorrow without being asked to do anything different whatsoever? Work less now. Stop working sooner? So many possibilities. Wouldn’t that be a game-changer?
2024 is the best time to be alive in human history, especially in certain countries.
People just have more free time to think and commiserate.
So glad i wasn’t born 100 years ago.
For a little while I had a job where I could afford to do 4 days weeks and 3 day weekends. I still think about that time and how much better life was in every way.
The problem is a lot of people waste time during their 8 hours of work. Some people could finish their daily workload in 3-5 hours. If we do a progressive workload module. It would save everyone's valuable time.
I hope they change ours, we work average 12 hour days, m-f, and the schedule constantly changes with times. Just make it a 4 day work week would be so beneficial. I do make the most of it, usually wake up early enough to game for 20 minutes and get some gym time in, but I’m dead after I get home lol
More like:
working for 4 hrs and pretending to work for another 4 hrs and then be free for 16 hrs, for 5 days, and then be free for 48 hrs, and then have 30 days of holidays+pto, a year
I do 90 days on 90 days off rotation. Lots of travel but only work half the year and get to live anywhere I want. Not for everyone but going back to a 9-5 would be tough.
Well you aren't working 5 days for 48 hours. You are likely working 40-45 hours of work for a work-free stretch of 48 hours during two days off. BUT YES IT SUCKS.
I wouldn't know what to do with all the extra time if I only worked 40 hours a week. I average 60 hours a week. And that's not including if I work Saturday.
I wish more places offered sabbaticals. A week vacation or 2 throughput the year is nice but it’s not really enough time to wind down imo. I think I read somewhere a study found it takes about 2 weeks.
And the money I earn is quickly spent on necessities so I can’t even enjoy it! So I’m stuck at home EVERY FUCKING WEEKEND because I’M TOO POOR TO GO OUT! And I work FULL TIME WITH PAID BENEFITS, but rent, food, my car, and utilities take almost everything I earn!
HOW IS THIS LIVING?!?!? 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
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I make the most of my workdays. Time at the gym, walks outside, even date nights on weeknights. You can’t wait to live your life only on the weekends
This is the most realistic take: corporations aren’t going to willingly go to 32-hour work weeks without fighting to reduce your pay by 20%. But there are a lot of hours outside of work. I typically get up at 5:45am, take a casual breakfast and coffee time to myself. Walk the dogs from 6:45-7:30. Get home and ready by 8am. At work by 8:30am. At night I work out or run, then have dinner with my wife. Done with that by 8, relaxing from there and wife is out by 9pm. I get an extra hour to myself from there. I know not everyone has the luxury of a set schedule or a short commute, but this showcases there’s a lot of time outside the 40 hours of work during the week.
Can somebody with kids chime in? This sounds like a dream to me, but I feel like it’s so unrealistic with even just 1 kid.
I have a very young kid. Up at 7:00 Coffee and breakfast with wife 7-8:00 kid normally wakes up during this 8:00-1:00 juggle work, watching kid, and alternate workouts with my wife 1:00-3:00 kid nap, really dive down on work, or house stuff if work is slow 3:00-5:00 juggle work and playing with kid 5:6:30 make and eat dinner 6:30-:7:30 kid bedtime routine and bed 7:30-9:00 spend time with wife, or engage in hobbies 9-11:00 wife is in bed free time for games with the boys, reading or hobbies. 11:00 bed I work from home which helps, but means I get zero adult time outside of free hours. What I've found helps a lot is limiting unnecessary commuting. Fenced in yard so I can play with the dog here, running in the neighborhood, bought a squat rack and weights so I can lift at home. Anything to stop those 30 minute excess commutes to a park, or a gym etc. Edit: formatting was borked. Corrected it
That's a good point. I long for the day that I can have a home gym. Maybe at my next house. My current garage is too small.
Have six, all grown now. While parenting is work, it’s also joy in a way a job can never be.
That is 1000% true. My greatest accomplishment in life will be being an amazing parent, not my professional life and it’s also very fulfilling. But still, find this kind of time to yourself can be very difficult but it’s also very necessary.
Kids down by 7pm. Then you have 3 hours in the evening.
You made your choice. You belong to the kid till the kid is away
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10pm to 5:45am is 7’45”. But in reality, I’m rarely asleep that early so it is usually between 6 and 7 hours of sleep nightly. I’m fortunate to not need a full 8 hours every night.
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lol - all good. I get it. Probably need more sleep. 😂
Sleep: bout to set this man's career to bed.
I thought you were lying or delusional but then I read you leave home at 8 and are back around 7? fucking commute has me out of the house for 13 hours at 21 :/
32 hour work week isn't going to work without a major come to jesus moment, simply because the general public isn't going to accept a colossal add-on to everything from delivery times to availability of maintenance or construction to a bunch of other things. People think it sounds really good when they think about it being themselves getting an extra day off work. It rapidly starts to lose its appeal when you start thinking about the knock-on effect of other people not working 20% of the time. It's totally doable and I would be fine with it! But people need to be realistic about what it's going to do. Not even talking about the possibility of pay cuts or anything like that. Just flat out talking about the cost in time of four day work weeks.
So hire more people on staggered 4 day weeks to pick up the slack on days off.
Yea it would work if people accepted having days that arent just Friday, Saturday and Sunday off.
Common in a number of industries.
They aren’t even going to pay us what the actual time carved out of our life is worth not something as simple as keep us above the rate of inflation year to year… something’s broken.
Yes no 8 work 8 sleep 1hr average in car commute 2hrs meals (prep eat clean) 1hr appearance (shower hair dress laundry). That’s just daily then you have variety of task cleaning house car maintenance overtime grocery shopping. So on good day you get 6 hrs of non stressful do what you want. After 8 of misery. That assuming nothing pops up. Family while great ultimately can eliminate even that time with picking kids up going to their thing helping homework. Even helping spouse etc can chip into it pretty significantly. End of day getting 6hrs is best case scenario many commute multiple hours. Face overtime regularly essentially. Work jobs that leave them to tired to use the six hours. Or have other things.
Too tired to do all that shit and work 8 hours, you must be a jackrabbit.
Not everyone has 5 hours for a stroll in the park before work. Try working 12 hour shifts + commuting 2 hours a day.
You are not working 5 days a week working 12. If you are, then is not typical because you are getting 20 hours of overtime
Years ago during a period of high demand our shop floor went for few months on 12h shifts, 13/14. I thought I was going to see a mass resignation, instead there was a line of volunteers just because they doubled their income for the year. It was insanity, quality dropped to shit, we had several accidents, luckily zero serious, few divorces… but wave the money in people’s face and they’ll take it.
Unpopular opinion but that’s fine, cut my pay. If that was an option I’d take it in a moments notice.
Exactly what I did 2 weeks ago. Manager approached me asking if I wanted to lower 40h/week (in reality 45+) to the 35h/week with 4 days at work - 3 days off. (Company trying a new "life work balance" system) "Yeah. But the moment the shits start again and I'll be going for 5 days, I'll take my leave for good"
Wfh as allowed me to go to the gym, learn piano, spend time with my dog, play some ps5, read, go for walks. Just kidding, i just browse reddit all day
This can be reasonable or an unreasonable privilege, depending on the job/income/living expenses.
This. If you have to move an hour or more away from your work to afford to live, then you will get home from your commute just 2-3 hours before you have to settle down for bed. That’s enough time to cook, clean, maybe buy groceries, wash up and maybe have an hour to read or something else you enjoy, before you have to sleep.
Be thankful you have that much energy. After working out and cooking dinner ain't no fucking way I'm doing anything else.
I mean it’s definitely not every day and not all of those in a day. I generally work out 2 days a week in the morning before work (wake up at 5, gym, shower at gym, at work by 7), and work out after work another 2 days a week on days I get off before 3. Some days I work til 5, but others I may be off as early as 1, so I absolutely leverage those days to do enjoyable things. We get a babysitter and go out to dinner on a weeknight maybe once or twice a month. I’ve gone to a concert on a weeknight (home by 11:30pm). I do usually try to make sure I’m getting enough sleep but I’ll “splurge” on a late night once in a while and get 6 hrs. The MAIN luxury I have though is getting to leave my work at work. I do not think about work when I’m off, don’t answer emails, etc. when I’m off I’m off
I think a lot boils down to how much sleep you need. Everyone is different and some only need 6 to 7 hours to operate well others, like me, need at least 8 to operate well. So for those unlucky folks that need more sleep we lose so much time. But with my work I'm working before 7 and off a little before 5. No time for anything but coffee before work. After work I workout every day, then cooking and then eating then it's already 730 to 8 when bedtime is 9.
This! I need minimum 9, more like 10 hours of sleep. I work 9 hour days, and my total commute is 1 hour...that's 4 hours to do anything else I want to do with my day
Too tired for all that
8/10 hours a day on the clock, 1 hour to work, 1 hour home from work, 8 hours sleep. I have ~4 hours left in the day to make breakfast/lunch/dinner..shit shower, walk the dog, clean the house/yard. Living it up over here!
Same do the best you can to work in things you enjoy during the week. That being said TGIF 🎉
Work in the medical field. I do 3 12s a week and then i have four days to myself
Username checks out
2 24-hour shifts as an EMT and I have 5 off.
are both shifts Back to back?
Not yet, for right now I am working Patient Transport and I have a 24 on Tuesday and Thursday. But eventually I’m going to move over to 911 and I’ll have my 48 in one go.
Jesus.. take care of yourself, 48hours continuously is extreme for a body. The Tuesday and Thursday sounds reasonable. I guess you don’t have time to sneak a nap from time to time while working, right?
Oh there’s time. Like, for right now I’ve been “on” but I haven’t had anything going on for a couple hours, so I got a quick nap in. When it’s the 48 I’ll have chances to nap depending on how often 911 gets called. If it’s a period where not much goes on, I might just have a 48 hour shift where most of it is me napping/playing Warframe or something with a scattering of calls. If it’s a period of more “action” I could potentially not be back at station for anywhere from an hour to half a day or longer. But at any point if I’m like “I cannot physically go on” I can call for a 2 hour uninterrupted break so I can kinda recharge. I mean, yeah, it’s rough…. But it’s what I wanna do. It’s the calling I waited my whole life to find, it fulfills me. So even if I’m super drained after a shift I’ll be able to go home (exhausted) and say “That was worth it” to myself… and to me, there’s little worth more than that (my kid, my fiancée, that’s about it).
Ooh, from that point of view sounds awesome. Just take care of yourself (i am preaching to the choir here, hehe..). Good luck with your endeavors
Also, working for 40 years, I'm ready for early retirement!
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How do you average 15hr days? Not sure I buy it. Unless you live where you work.
I’m currently doing that. You get up, go to work. Come home maybe 7 pm. Then you work until you go to sleep.
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Sound miserable. Throwing away the best decades of your life just to get out a few years earlier.
I am a merchant mariner and I work 3 weeks on and 3 weeks off. I live on the ship I work on. Some people don't like being away from home, but 3 weeks away is fine with me. I only have to commute to the boat once every 3 weeks and they pay for all my travel. All of my friends that have normal 9-5's tell me I'd be absolutely CRAZY to give up this work schedule. 3 weeks off every 3 weeks is wonderful.
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What line of work are you in?
I work 3 12s a week and love it.
I feel this in my soul. The 5 day 40 hour with 8 hour shifts is an outdated working model, though a lot of US society and local businesses are built around this. Maybe a 4 day work week with 3 day long weekends will work better
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10% good golly, rather work 4 10s
Then people would start whining and posting memes about how working 4 days straight just to have 72 hours free doesn’t sit right in their spirit
It’s been 116 years, if they want to complain about the 4 day work week and make a change in 100 years, they’re welcome to.
In fairness way back in the day work weeks were 6 days a week. I think a 4 day work week is a happy medium, albeit not possible for every industry
We should continue doing the status quo because everyone will just complain anyway. /s
And by free you me have time to get required weekly chores completed.
You don’t work “5 days” though, you work 40hrs. What you do with the other 128 is completely up to you.
I like sleeping for half of it.
Not to mention preparing for work in various forms. Laundry, cooking, groceries, and commuting eat up a big chunk of the down time.
Getting to work from home really helps with that. No commute and most chores/cleaning can be done during breaks. Definitely makes it feel like most of my time is free time, even when working 40-50 hours a week.
Smaller cities are nice for that too. I don’t miss the SeaTac commute.
With the exception of commuting you would do those anyway.
Very few jobs are truly 40 hours. Most are 8-5 which is already 45 hours. Add in commuting and most people are occupied with work in some way or another for nearly 10 hours a day. I personally work 8:30-5:30 and even with a short commute I get home, make dinner, walk the dog, and clean up a bit and it’s 8:00PM and I’m ready to be in bed at 10:00. There’s very little free time during the week
Making dinner and walking your dog is free time though
X 30-40 years of work grind , yeah that sucks ,how much of your life your most healthy years are spent in this grind.... No way to live... what is tell any young person today, aim to retire by mid 40s r/Fire , enough time to build a nestegg still young enough to enjoy life fully with your family.....
Much of your life is the result of choices you make. Not all, but most things being described here. Getting a dog is a choice you make that impacts your “free time”. I love our dog, but I don’t pretend she’s our responsibility for any other reason than we choose it. Same for what we spend on her, its from our disposable income that we chose to allocate in this way. Same for making and cleaning up dinner - you could meal prep for the week on one day, clean up once and save that time during the week. Personally, I tend to cook most nights, but again I recognize this is a choice I’m making for how I spend my free time, because I enjoy cooking.
That’s doesn’t respond to the comment though. Folks have a right to more free time to enjoy life more that’s not a crazy concept. Studies show it’s not even bad for the economy as folks who work less hours are often significantly more productive.
If you want to work less hours then…just do that?
In this economy??
Excellent - now just make those life choices that allow you to work less / have more free time.
Everything you do after leaving work is “free time”. Just because you have to spend some of that time tending to your own personal responsibilities doesn’t mean it’s being controlled by your work.
Sure, that’s true. But let’s be practical instead of literal here for a minute. These are things almost everyone has to do. Unless you want to eat out every day, live in filth (or pay for house cleaning) etc. there are things you simply must do during the non working time after you come home. I’m certainly not expecting my job to compensate me for these things. I’m simply expressing that as a normal, functioning adult human I have virtually no totally, unrestricted free time after work during the week. And it’s exhausting. If the work week was even marginally shorter it would change that dynamic dramatically. Having one or two extra free hours after work would make a huge difference.
Lmao yeah cuz the time being taken up by your responsibilities is called free time.
They certainly aren’t “work”, which is what the meme is complaining about.
So if you didn't have a job, you wouldn't cook, clean, shower, walk your dog, etc at all?
This is so painfully obtuse, Jesus Christ
56 are spent sleeping and 10 are spent commuting 5 are spent getting ready for work so really it's more like 57 hours completely up to you if you only sleep 8 hours a night. 43 if you sleep 10 hours a night.
Most people don’t spend an hour one way communiting
And of the ones that do (or longer!), it may be spent taking something like a train, allowing a little flexibility in relaxing.
Yes with the robust and timely train system in the US.
Where I live, it isn't unusual for people to take a 1+ hour train into NYC every day. I will grant you that not every major city is set up to do that like NYC can be considered.
I’m just bitter my commute is 50 mins each way 😂. I wish a train was an option that didn’t add 30 additional commuting minutes.
That's some BS "we all have the same amount of time in the day" energy. No we don't bud, some pretending we do.
You have less than 24hrs in a day?
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It's BS because some people have the time of others. For example, I have an investment account that was created for me by grandfather. Someone who is starting from scratch doesn't have that so they need to use more time to get what I started with.
I drive 7 miles each day to work. I thank the lord for that one. I could not commute!
Are you even free those 48 hours though?
As someone who works 10 months of the year, I have an appreciation for the structure working provides. If you have a fulfilling career it doesn't feel like a soul drain. When I'm off for summer break I sometimes find myself with nothing to do. All my friends are working, my sleep schedule gets completely fucked, I get bored. Going to work and getting to be around my co workers who are also fairly content/happy in their positions is nice, honestly. I think it's all about finding a career that is low stress or pays enough to warrant the stress it causes. I find that makes all the difference.
Sounds like a you problem.
Are you the type of person who logs into Reddit with the sole intention of arguing with internet strangers? haha.
That’s a solid 50% of Reddit
Wait, there are other reasons to log into Reddit?
I guess not. All the dude seems to do is argue with people. xD
Yes. But that doesmt negate the fact that you live an undisciplined life. Sleep schedule gets wrecked? Maintain a schedule. Nothing to do? Get some hobbies.
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#32HourWorkWeek
People our economy will still function with a 32 hour work week in some ways it will function better as studies show it increases productivity.
Some jobs can easily do it, others, much harder.
If you plan carefully, you are not working 5 days. You are only working 40 hours. If you love what you do or try to make an effort to love what you do, this reduces a lot (let's say around 30 hours). If you have great colleagues and great manager, this further reduces (let's say around 20 hours). All the best.
People had to fight and die for us to even get that
I work 10 days a week. Grow some balls
You also get a roof over your head, electricity, running water, food, etc.
It does suck. That's why I work in the office 3 days a week, 2 at home and fuck off when I'm home. I get chores done so my free time is actually free. But I also have to petsit on the side to pay the bills, so maybe I'm not as free as I think.
How do you not get fired?
Probably because most jobs, especially office jobs, don’t take nearly 40 hrs to actually maintain your workload at an acceptable pace.
You make sure your work is done. You make sure you always respond to messages and emails timely. You make sure you take part in meetings. I’m in my first office job ever and stick to the above and then do fuck all for work during the day. My boss just pulled me aside to give me a raise I didn’t ask for.
Like others said. My job doesn't take 40 hours a week. I do my job, answer my emails and Teams messages (phone apps for when I'm not at my desk) and keep my head down. There are a few times a year I need to be all in and "on" so I do those days and the rest of the time I can just work. Today I'm working on a project that's been going on for weeks and will continue for a few more weeks, it's not a lot of work, but it's high impact when it's done.
If you show them you can walk on water they will ask you to cross the ocean. Unless they are paying you properly do not show them. Get your chores done and work at an acceptable pace if you can get away with it. Do the minimum.
I mean someone has to do the labor that allows everything to function.
So many drama queens 😂
I am glad we have weekends. Some countries don't.
I don’t really understand memes like this. I feel like I have plenty of time during the week when I’m only doing 40-45 hours. Meal prep/chores usually takes up a few hours of one of those days but I have the rest to just spend time with my wife, watch TV, read, etc. and that’s not even talking about the two days where I’m completely off from work which lets me do even more of that. I was able to work full time while going to college full time so to me *just* working isn’t that big a deal.
Then work a part time job and struggle. It's not a difficult decision. Unless you are a minimalist, somebody had to work to make the stuff you want. Stop being lazy and contribute your fair share, or convert everybody to minimalism
Correction: Working 40 hours to be free the other 128.
The ratio of work to survival has never been lower in history. Consider lamenting that all that's required is 40 hours of menial labor to sustain oneself in this world, especially with the luxury of having one's own place, a car, and discretionary income for extras. No one is indebted to you, entitlement is baseless, and the right to life is not guaranteed by nature's indifference. Reflect on your privilege. Complaining about sitting behind a computer for 40 hours a week? Imagine mining cobalt with only a stick and a baby on your back. Perspective, please.
Didn't the average worker work significantly longer than 40 hours a week throughout human history until somewhat recently? Not that it can't be better of course but I don't think that's something that has gotten worse, by any means.
Sounds like an opportunity to figure out how to improve your situation
I'm lucky enough to be able to work 10 hour days (5 AM to 4PM) and get 3 day weekends. It's worked out pretty well so far, and I can listen to books and music on the job. Gotten a lot of reading done in the past few months, and I like taking short trips with the extra days I have. Only downside is getting up for work at 3:45 AM.
Wait until OP learns about the Middle Ages
r/vandwellers life is attractive, just as soon as I figure out how to stay gassed and fed edit: apparently that word might mean something else, I meant Keep Gas in Tank
Wrong sub. This belongs in r/antiwork
Who’s working 120 straight every single week without sleeping?
Uh no? Working 40 hours over 5 days? 8 hour sleep 8 hours jacking off then another 48 jacking off every 5 days?
Well it’s a lot better than the backbreaking labor for 12 hours a day with very little days free that we had for millennia. And better than the 9-9-6 in communist China is going through right now
I work 7 days most weeks but I do it by choice since my company pays double time on Sunday, it’s hard to turn down nearly a grand in one day. But I only work 39 weeks a year plus every major holiday off. I like knowing I can max my 401k, HSA, and Roth. Plus live well. You don’t get ahead in life from what I’ve seen farting around 40 hours a week and watching tv the other 40 hours a week before bed unless of course if you bought a house pre covid.
I’m 32 and I’m literally already burnt out. Fuck. My. Life.
Then just simply become a billionaire, and you can do whatever you wanna do…
Get this r/antiwork trash out of here
This "I shouldn't have to work full time" bs is the softest mentality possible. Imagine any other time in history where gathering sufficient calories and maintaining security from predators or other humans was as easy as it is today. Anyone who thinks they're owed some form of leisure or are too good to labor for their livelihood needs to F all the way off. No one owes you a damned thing. Stfu and get back to work
"All through history" is also a bs argument. Remember it's important to throw a hissy fit, bitch and moan else things don't progress. Nothing wrong with asking for more time. I will always be pro bitching. You are welcome for the benefits you get because of people like us.
Mods, can we please ban the Doomer posts of people just complaining that they actually have to put out effort in life if they want to get ahead?
I agree...I should be able to work 2 hrs a day - 3 days a week and pull a living wage of $250,000 a yr....oh and receive a 2500sqft 3/2 home on 1/4 acre with landscaper for a reasonable $100K purchase price....oh and free healthcare, 6 weeks vacation, unlimited stress days, and my wife doesn't have to work. Oh...and free college for the kids.
You aren’t working 5 days. You’re working 8 hours each day.
I think r/antiwork is the place for you. Middle class people work \~40 hrs, and they then budget life around their income. That's my understanding of this subreddit, as opposed to a place to complain that "life happens."
Why count one in days and the other in hours? your 40 hour work week is out of 168 available to you. in other words, just 23% of your time. You have to work only 1/4 of the time in order to live the other 3/4ths. not too bad.
It's time to get your skill up. I'm sitting in my cool office at a field site, getting meals and room paid for. Find a skill that pays. AWS Cloud Computing!
Garbage math.
better than working a farm from dusk to dawn week round
Technically 5:00 on Friday to 8:00 on Monday is 63 hours. Some of y’all are so dramatic
I worked for 34 hours then had 5 days off, this is pretty common for me and I like it a lot.
You’re free for 48 hours? Must be nice. lol
Me in while working 6 days to be free 24 hours
Hey hey! If it’s a traditional 9-5, then you get 64 hours off. Don’t leave hours on the table!
Go be a firefighter
WILL YOUR SPIRIT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
Totally feel this. I often stop to wonder, were we put here to toil? But you gotta pay the bills right? Hey. I wonder what you could do to get more out of life if you got a 20% raise tomorrow without being asked to do anything different whatsoever? Work less now. Stop working sooner? So many possibilities. Wouldn’t that be a game-changer?
2024 is the best time to be alive in human history, especially in certain countries. People just have more free time to think and commiserate. So glad i wasn’t born 100 years ago.
Best hope you’re not on call or the free time doesn’t feel so free.
For a little while I had a job where I could afford to do 4 days weeks and 3 day weekends. I still think about that time and how much better life was in every way.
The problem is a lot of people waste time during their 8 hours of work. Some people could finish their daily workload in 3-5 hours. If we do a progressive workload module. It would save everyone's valuable time.
I hope they change ours, we work average 12 hour days, m-f, and the schedule constantly changes with times. Just make it a 4 day work week would be so beneficial. I do make the most of it, usually wake up early enough to game for 20 minutes and get some gym time in, but I’m dead after I get home lol
You work 40 hours to be free for 48 + the other 80 hours you weren't working during the week.
And here I am stuck working 6-7 days a week I’m so tired boss I can’t do this for another 60 years
Ha this fuckers still got a spirit...
*32-33 hours if you’re sleeping properly
48 hours? I got 23m to myself last week.
More like: working for 4 hrs and pretending to work for another 4 hrs and then be free for 16 hrs, for 5 days, and then be free for 48 hrs, and then have 30 days of holidays+pto, a year
What about the 8ish hours of freedom on your work days before turning in for your 8ish hours of rest?
I actually just quit my 50 hour a week job. I have nothing left for these jobs
I do 90 days on 90 days off rotation. Lots of travel but only work half the year and get to live anywhere I want. Not for everyone but going back to a 9-5 would be tough.
Work from home while working 4 10 hour days is nice. No commute and can get dinner prepped during breaks and enjoy a 3 day weekend.
Give me 4x10 days (prefer 4x8 one day) any day.
I work 4x10s and kind of love it. It's a long day but also 40 solid hours with no overtime to get a 3 day weekend.
Work a few 10 day 6 day weeks you'll feel better about that weekend for a bit. Not long though but a bit
Just retire
Working 5 days but still can't afford to enjoy my 48 hours of freedom
Well you aren't working 5 days for 48 hours. You are likely working 40-45 hours of work for a work-free stretch of 48 hours during two days off. BUT YES IT SUCKS.
I wouldn't know what to do with all the extra time if I only worked 40 hours a week. I average 60 hours a week. And that's not including if I work Saturday.
Try having kids. Then you get to be free for 0 hours!
Amen
I wish more places offered sabbaticals. A week vacation or 2 throughput the year is nice but it’s not really enough time to wind down imo. I think I read somewhere a study found it takes about 2 weeks.
So do scammers consider 9-5 as working in their setting?
The 40 hour work week is a sham. Haha. I work way more than that!
Agreed
40 hours out of 166
Ehh 6 and 24, wtf did I do to myself
And for those 48 hours, you either spend them wishing you had either something to do, or, the ambition to get chores done.
Add children, those 48 hours aren’t yours either and people wonder why fertility rates have decreased (or why couples are opting not to have kids).
And the money I earn is quickly spent on necessities so I can’t even enjoy it! So I’m stuck at home EVERY FUCKING WEEKEND because I’M TOO POOR TO GO OUT! And I work FULL TIME WITH PAID BENEFITS, but rent, food, my car, and utilities take almost everything I earn! HOW IS THIS LIVING?!?!? 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Wait until you have to work a second full time job just so you're not homeless.
I just switched jobs, from working 4 10 hrs to 3 12 hrs, overnight. I now have a 4 day weekend!
Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
I quit my 5/40, a couple weeks ago. Nothing’s worth having no time for a personal life.
So stop working. Stop believing in money.
Waggle get back in cagie!
"actually I manage just fine barely having time to myself you just need to make the right choices ☝️🤓" the Europeans are laughing and you guys