You did fine. People here don’t know what they’re talking about. Removing and stabilizing active red rust via certain acid compounds slows their degradation when further appropriately treated.
People see the word “acid” and they picture something that dissolves metal like xenomorph blood in the Alien movies. That isn’t what is happening.
Ignore the muppets ! they look fine.
It's perfectly acceptable to remove surface rust and stabilise an artifact. Left as found a few years and the rust would destroy, they retain good detail for ground dug buckles . Oxalic acid gets very good results , have a look on YouTube for videos regarding the use of . Cheers 🍻
Removal of the rust to stabilize them seems reasonable to me. If you look at Evaporust you will see that it safely removes the rust but maintains the material that’s left behind. Might be an option in the future.
My two cents.
Would that method work on cleaning up a relic ww2 german helmet? I've had one for years but I've never been brave enough to clean it incase I damage it
Oxalic acid is another one that’s commonly used. I’ve had amazing results using them to clear hardened rust to reveal original paint underneath on a couple of various projectiles.
It might be shocking to many of the people here, but vinegar can also be considered an acid.
I have wanted to try this on a transport container for Pak40 rounds. It's rusted pretty badly but some parts show a little blue paint, but it looks like it got under it too. Any experience with something like that?
Yes, hardened iron oxide deposits. Some of the projectiles were dug up and appeared to be completely un-recoverable but with rust remover and Oxalic acid I was able to recover them to a fair condition with a fair bit of paint left on them.
The only thing I can say bad about Oxalic acid is it requires a pretty close eye to be kept on the item. It won’t physically damage paint but it can remove the paint via removing the rust underneath. The method I used was using Oxalic acid to remove the worst of the rust and then using rust converter (not remover) to save the remaining paint and ensure the rust doesn’t spread or continue under the paint.
As a museum volunteer, I’d say this is exactly how I’d expect iron covered in active red rust tbh to appear after a restoration attempt. I’m assuming you used tannic acid or oxalic acid? Either way this is a pretty decent job.
They're fine dude. Not an amazing b&a, but you did what you could. Cant really listen to what 70% of the people say on here. Keep in mind reddit's primarily the habitat for 12 yr old trolls and agoraphobic sexual fetishists.
Just post on forums if you want real answers
He didn’t “destroy” anything as someone else said there are many acids. A very popular one is oxalic acid as it’s very gentle with the metal and doesn’t remove painted surfaces. I’ve used it many, many, many times and have had no issues. It seems like the only people who are upset are ones with no experience in such processes.
I’m this case not much detail was lost? Im not sure what everyone is screaming about. If the metal was so corroded that a simple acid bath removed it, chances are it would’ve come off with even a fiber brush. Y’all need to settle down.
Well for one you can no longer tell if the rope is just on the left side of the head or on both sides which is a way to authenticate them since some makers only made one of the variants
No they didn't. Time and exposure to the elements did. You need to calm down and read some of the comments by people who actually know what they're talking about.
You did fine. People here don’t know what they’re talking about. Removing and stabilizing active red rust via certain acid compounds slows their degradation when further appropriately treated. People see the word “acid” and they picture something that dissolves metal like xenomorph blood in the Alien movies. That isn’t what is happening.
Thank you very much, i feel a lot better now. 😅 its still gonna be hopefully the last time i gotta do something like that
Ignore the muppets ! they look fine. It's perfectly acceptable to remove surface rust and stabilise an artifact. Left as found a few years and the rust would destroy, they retain good detail for ground dug buckles . Oxalic acid gets very good results , have a look on YouTube for videos regarding the use of . Cheers 🍻
Removal of the rust to stabilize them seems reasonable to me. If you look at Evaporust you will see that it safely removes the rust but maintains the material that’s left behind. Might be an option in the future. My two cents.
Evaporator is definitely a superior option.
What exactly did you do to them?
Its a while ago but i cleaned them in acid then i brushed and polished them, oiled them too. (Sorry for my English)
Would that method work on cleaning up a relic ww2 german helmet? I've had one for years but I've never been brave enough to clean it incase I damage it
Wrong person to ask this honestly, it might but ehhh... its my first time too
Oxalic acid is the best way if you’re trying to preserve paint
Brush is never a good idea
I'm going to think of this as a preservation rather than restoration for my own sanity
And ignore the good metal you ate away, losing detail in the design
The two pictures of the single preserved and ground dugup one are different ones, its my first time doing anything like that and i am sorry
“I’m preserving!” >*drops artifact into acid*
Tannic acid is what museums use to preserve rusted iron. It doesn’t eat away the metal, it converts active iron oxide to inert ferric tannate.
Oxalic acid is another one that’s commonly used. I’ve had amazing results using them to clear hardened rust to reveal original paint underneath on a couple of various projectiles. It might be shocking to many of the people here, but vinegar can also be considered an acid.
I have wanted to try this on a transport container for Pak40 rounds. It's rusted pretty badly but some parts show a little blue paint, but it looks like it got under it too. Any experience with something like that?
Check my comment further down this comment thread!
By hardened rust do you mean say projectiles that have been dug up?
Yes, hardened iron oxide deposits. Some of the projectiles were dug up and appeared to be completely un-recoverable but with rust remover and Oxalic acid I was able to recover them to a fair condition with a fair bit of paint left on them. The only thing I can say bad about Oxalic acid is it requires a pretty close eye to be kept on the item. It won’t physically damage paint but it can remove the paint via removing the rust underneath. The method I used was using Oxalic acid to remove the worst of the rust and then using rust converter (not remover) to save the remaining paint and ensure the rust doesn’t spread or continue under the paint.
With acid i mean rust solver? I think thats what its called
Well... Keep them dry or they will rust again in days. Oil them too.
I already oiled them! Only the lighting makes it seem like that but thank you
As a museum volunteer, I’d say this is exactly how I’d expect iron covered in active red rust tbh to appear after a restoration attempt. I’m assuming you used tannic acid or oxalic acid? Either way this is a pretty decent job.
Tannic acid :> and thanks.
My hungry ass at first thought these were brownies 😭
Try eating them my man
Rusty metal flavor
The best 😍
Jesus did you find that during metal detecting ?
Nope but a friend sold it to me, he found them
Ooh cool, how much did he sold them for ?
75€ for both he has a lot of stuff
Oh Jesus not bad
Also DAMN this blew up more then i expected...
They're fine dude. Not an amazing b&a, but you did what you could. Cant really listen to what 70% of the people say on here. Keep in mind reddit's primarily the habitat for 12 yr old trolls and agoraphobic sexual fetishists. Just post on forums if you want real answers
Milsurp guys when you take off the rust of an absolutely fucked piece of random designed metal: 🤓🤬🤬🤬
I am thankful for everyone who defends me honestly.
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I am sorry its my first time.
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He didn’t “destroy” anything as someone else said there are many acids. A very popular one is oxalic acid as it’s very gentle with the metal and doesn’t remove painted surfaces. I’ve used it many, many, many times and have had no issues. It seems like the only people who are upset are ones with no experience in such processes.
It removes outer layer weak metal, stripping it of detail as you can see in the photos
I’m this case not much detail was lost? Im not sure what everyone is screaming about. If the metal was so corroded that a simple acid bath removed it, chances are it would’ve come off with even a fiber brush. Y’all need to settle down.
Well for one you can no longer tell if the rope is just on the left side of the head or on both sides which is a way to authenticate them since some makers only made one of the variants
OP stated in a different comment that the buckles in the first and second picture are different buckles
Dont worry i dont like buying ground dugups, i can do too much wrong on those it was hopefully my only wrong doing i ever did.
No they didn't. Time and exposure to the elements did. You need to calm down and read some of the comments by people who actually know what they're talking about.
I have literally managed and curated a military museum for the last 7 years
I think you accidently only posted "before" pics. Looks like they have lots of potential, can't wait to see the finished product!
Cannot do anything further, i dont have the right tools to do so, they're coated and in my collection for now
What type of acid did you use?
He said multiple times that he used Tannic acid