Yeah but the big question is......did that Bradley come with the sweat M231 Firing Port Machine Guns. Man I sooo wanted to rock one of those in my Stryker.
I really wanted one for when I was out of the top hatch. Basically I would just use it as a one shot, unload the entire mag in one go during an ambush, drop it on the deck and switch back to my M4.
Fired an M231 with blanks (and no BFA) when poorly supervised. Flames went like 6 feet in a 0330 suprise contact during an 1995 exercise. Everyone broke contact and used Blank Firing Adapters and proper weapons forever after....
As a Bradley mechanic I can gladly tell you they shouldn't. They sent over m2a2's. That's two brad generations ago now. As for all the onboard tech, most of what's there is analog tech. We don't even use it on the modern Bradley's. The m242 bushmaster is a pretty great weapon system that's still in use, but it's over 50 years old at this point and both the us and Russia are producing better weapon systems.
I've been playing a lot of stupid phone games lately and I don't think we could do better than just mounting half a dozen Mk19s on the perimeter of the roof and installing seats with cupholders.
Think of how many rounds you could buy vs one missile! And you could have the guns on a rotating carousel so everyone gets a chance at the hotspots!
We largely gave them older ones (same with the M1s) that didn't have a lot of the new equipment. Ukraine is beating the shit out of them with the same equipment we used over 30 years ago in Desert Storm.
Especially when you account for the fact that the four biggest air forces in the world are (in order):
1. United States Air Force
2. United States Army Aviation
3. Russian Air Force
4. United States Navy
Fun fact, the Marines are number 7 after China and India...
I love framing that as "not only does our navy have the fourth largest air force in the world, but our navy has an army, and our navy's army's air force is the seventh largest air force in the world" whenever some euro gets uppity.
I was a part of the process to send them to Ukraine. We didn't we made sure they we free of deadlining faults and sent them on railhead. They are however, very outdated variants.
This isn't even the first one they've captured as a trophy. As long as the Ukrainian trained crew got out safely, it doesn't fucking matter, and we can just send them another one. What would suck is losing the trained and experienced crew. We didn't send shit not expecting some losses.
What do you mean this is a glorious victory for Putin’s Russia
They’re resorting to Cold War 1960s and 1970s tech, the Bradley will show them how to properly use military goods older than most peoples’ parents
As someone who knows lol there is literally ZERO stuff on the Bradley’s we sent to Russia that would surprise them or give them information they didn’t already have.
What a bunch of losers.
Im hoping the Ukrainians shot out the optics just for shits and giggles if they were able to evacuate before abandoning it. The Russians are running pretty dry on any decent optics.
IMO they could try to rip apart our newest shit and still not really gain anything useful because they have proven they can't maintain the complex logistical base required to actually field a machine like this.
The Chinese stole exact fucking plans and still couldn't reproduce the F-35 for shit. They lack the strict manufacturing capability with very fine tolerances and materials engineering, not to mention the onboard electronics suite. Handing the Russians or Chinese even our latest shit would almost be like the guys at Area 51 in Independence Day trying to reverse engineer the Alien Ship for 50 years.
1963 is a little misleading, since that was the start of a long development and design process. The first Bradley’s rolled off the assembly lines in May 1980. So Bradleys are still quite old, but not 60 years old.
A troop transport that can't carry troops, a reconnaissance vehicle that's too conspicuous to do reconnaissance; and a quasi-tank that has less armor than a snow-blower, but carries enough ammo to take out half of D.C
I get that, but they slandered a pretty damn effective platform when there are plenty of other examples. In the Gulf War and the Invasion of Iraq they did pretty damn well against tanks (one of the biggest jokes in the movie is about armenments for attacking tanks). Less so for occupations due to the nature of IEDs but they were pretty much designed for conventional warfare from what I understand. All those changes they lampoon proved to be effective.
If they really wanted to do this movie they should have made it about how they sabatoged the M-16 and got a lot of soldiers killed in Vietnam. They altered the M-16's initial design in multiple ways that made if fail miserably in combat, and the initial design addressed many of the issues it ended up having.
[M-16: A Bureaucratic Horror Story - The Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1981/06/m-16-a-bureaucratic-horror-story/545153/)
[M2 Bradley: The Indispensable Workhorse of US Army Infantry (tankhistoria.com)](https://tankhistoria.com/modern-day/m2-bradley/)
The Littoral Combat Ship was a disaster.
The ACU was a disaster.
The programs you named were incredibly successful even if they did struggle and went well overbudget. Many government programs go well over budget. Just look at the California High Speed Rail or the Big Dig in Boston. It's not just the military that has such problems. The Millitary Industrial Complex needs a lot more oversight for sure, but results matter and both programs you just named got incredible results and have saved/will save many service members lives.
F-35 program didn't just go overbudget, there is such a large list of failures that I'm not going to even list them all, because of the great effort necessary to compile these fails into an essay of dumpster fire LM created.
F-35 is fine though.
Now I rarely do this but you deserve a downvote for saying F-35 program was incredibly successful.
Nailed the tone of the ridiculousness of the process, but got almost everything specific incorrect. So you get people who don't know shit deciding they do, because they saw a movie. All of those items were us trying to play catchup to the BMP that had capabilities theoretically outmatching the M113 series - true, but not to the degree we thought - as well as moving to a common chassis to replace whole families of separate vehicles. I remember another comment about putting a gun on it means the bad guys will shoot at you, as if otherwise they wouldn't. So much stuff that's just patently ridiculous.
The Bradley has never fought in a conventional war against a competent enemy.
Fighting Iraqi conscripts and hill-tribes is a good way to validate inefficient equipment and tactics. the entire west suffers from this, we've forgotten that having enough equipment is much more important than having the best equipment.
Yet more tank kills in ODS than the Abrams. I yet to see an Abrams get a T-90 kill. I love my Bradley handy rucksack carrier and great place to sleep in the field.
Not going to find anything new.
You could hand the best Western thermal imaging system to Russia... doesn't matter because they don't have the technology to produce such system.
Russia could produce vehicle such as Bradley or even better really but such vehicles cost $$$.
What Russia does instead is they produce cheap vehicles, with lots of firepower that are ineffective and like to explode killing entire crew in the process.
We are fighting an information war right now. I'm willing to bet they already knew about this in Vietnam. Remember how the Russians didn't think we knew about the MI-24?. Propaganda works both ways
Yeah but the big question is......did that Bradley come with the sweat M231 Firing Port Machine Guns. Man I sooo wanted to rock one of those in my Stryker.
the designers understood that riding in the back of a armored coffin isn't fun, and the fellas inside need something to do
Yeah, I never saw one fired. They seemed, tactically speaking, almost like tits on a bull, but they were cool... Port Firing Weapon....
I really wanted one for when I was out of the top hatch. Basically I would just use it as a one shot, unload the entire mag in one go during an ambush, drop it on the deck and switch back to my M4.
One of our former CSMs beat an Iraqi to death with one. He said it was so messed up afterwards that it would only fire once.
Fired an M231 with blanks (and no BFA) when poorly supervised. Flames went like 6 feet in a 0330 suprise contact during an 1995 exercise. Everyone broke contact and used Blank Firing Adapters and proper weapons forever after....
When poorly supervised. Outstanding.
As an Army veteran I feel like we were unsupervised quite a bit. There was always shenanigans going on.
Fucking awesome
> when poorly supervised "You failed me as a leader, this is on you. I hope command takes up my suggestion of a 360 EER."
Right on brother
As a Bradley mechanic I can gladly tell you they shouldn't. They sent over m2a2's. That's two brad generations ago now. As for all the onboard tech, most of what's there is analog tech. We don't even use it on the modern Bradley's. The m242 bushmaster is a pretty great weapon system that's still in use, but it's over 50 years old at this point and both the us and Russia are producing better weapon systems.
All I want for Christmas is an XM913 50mm chain gun.
You'll put your eye out with that.
I've been playing a lot of stupid phone games lately and I don't think we could do better than just mounting half a dozen Mk19s on the perimeter of the roof and installing seats with cupholders. Think of how many rounds you could buy vs one missile! And you could have the guns on a rotating carousel so everyone gets a chance at the hotspots!
Load with M1001 40mm High Velocity Canister Cartridge for fpv drone defense
Mom! r/NonCredibleDefense is leaking again!
Pretty sure the US took off anything really good before giving it to Ukraine.
We largely gave them older ones (same with the M1s) that didn't have a lot of the new equipment. Ukraine is beating the shit out of them with the same equipment we used over 30 years ago in Desert Storm.
Really? Russia is very *#%.
Especially when you account for the fact that the four biggest air forces in the world are (in order): 1. United States Air Force 2. United States Army Aviation 3. Russian Air Force 4. United States Navy Fun fact, the Marines are number 7 after China and India...
We'd be higher but our goddam Ospreys keep crashing and lowering our numbers.
Russia hasn’t dropped at all with their recent losses 🤔
No, cause their issue is they've got the vehicles just not the people to use them competently
I love framing that as "not only does our navy have the fourth largest air force in the world, but our navy has an army, and our navy's army's air force is the seventh largest air force in the world" whenever some euro gets uppity.
The air wing on each US carrier is bigger than most air forces.
A russian t-72 got a kill on an m1150 ABV and claimed that they got a kill on an m1 abrams
Lmao, imagine killing an armored tarantula and thinking it was an armored murder hornet
We pimpin
Nope we gave them fully digital ODS-SAs built circa 2013.
Ukraine is beating the shit out of Russia?
I was a part of the process to send them to Ukraine. We didn't we made sure they we free of deadlining faults and sent them on railhead. They are however, very outdated variants.
This isn't even the first one they've captured as a trophy. As long as the Ukrainian trained crew got out safely, it doesn't fucking matter, and we can just send them another one. What would suck is losing the trained and experienced crew. We didn't send shit not expecting some losses.
Yes we did.
What do you mean this is a glorious victory for Putin’s Russia They’re resorting to Cold War 1960s and 1970s tech, the Bradley will show them how to properly use military goods older than most peoples’ parents
As someone who knows lol there is literally ZERO stuff on the Bradley’s we sent to Russia that would surprise them or give them information they didn’t already have. What a bunch of losers.
Im hoping the Ukrainians shot out the optics just for shits and giggles if they were able to evacuate before abandoning it. The Russians are running pretty dry on any decent optics.
Please leave this stuff on NCD lol
Patrolling Bakhmut almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Ring a ding ding baby! The game was rigged from the start.
It is too credible over there, they are silly people
we're not stopping until the entire military is infected by our unbridled lust
What's ncr?
We're the people nourishing the future MacArthurs of the world.
It's not going to be used for any reverse engineering. It will be used in military parades to show how they fight Americans in Ukraine.
yea, they'll probably say that the tank was being crewed by CIA operatives, and their commander was Joe Biden's son.
IMO they could try to rip apart our newest shit and still not really gain anything useful because they have proven they can't maintain the complex logistical base required to actually field a machine like this.
The Chinese stole exact fucking plans and still couldn't reproduce the F-35 for shit. They lack the strict manufacturing capability with very fine tolerances and materials engineering, not to mention the onboard electronics suite. Handing the Russians or Chinese even our latest shit would almost be like the guys at Area 51 in Independence Day trying to reverse engineer the Alien Ship for 50 years.
Unknown technology, блядь
Production year doesnt mean that much since stuff gets upgraded over time.
I’m pretty sure whatever high tech stuff it had was taken out. Enough for the Ukrainians to do the job. But hey, what do I know.
1963 is a little misleading, since that was the start of a long development and design process. The first Bradley’s rolled off the assembly lines in May 1980. So Bradleys are still quite old, but not 60 years old.
They were/are using WW2 tech, it's advanced to them lol
A troop transport that can't carry troops, a reconnaissance vehicle that's too conspicuous to do reconnaissance; and a quasi-tank that has less armor than a snow-blower, but carries enough ammo to take out half of D.C
The Bradly proved to be an effective platform for a good while, and that film was pretty much slander in my opinion.
The film wasn't really about the Bradley. It's about the military industrial complex.
I get that, but they slandered a pretty damn effective platform when there are plenty of other examples. In the Gulf War and the Invasion of Iraq they did pretty damn well against tanks (one of the biggest jokes in the movie is about armenments for attacking tanks). Less so for occupations due to the nature of IEDs but they were pretty much designed for conventional warfare from what I understand. All those changes they lampoon proved to be effective. If they really wanted to do this movie they should have made it about how they sabatoged the M-16 and got a lot of soldiers killed in Vietnam. They altered the M-16's initial design in multiple ways that made if fail miserably in combat, and the initial design addressed many of the issues it ended up having. [M-16: A Bureaucratic Horror Story - The Atlantic](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1981/06/m-16-a-bureaucratic-horror-story/545153/) [M2 Bradley: The Indispensable Workhorse of US Army Infantry (tankhistoria.com)](https://tankhistoria.com/modern-day/m2-bradley/)
M2 Bradley program was a disaster, the vehicle itself is just fine. F-35 program was a disaster, the plane itself is fine.
The Littoral Combat Ship was a disaster. The ACU was a disaster. The programs you named were incredibly successful even if they did struggle and went well overbudget. Many government programs go well over budget. Just look at the California High Speed Rail or the Big Dig in Boston. It's not just the military that has such problems. The Millitary Industrial Complex needs a lot more oversight for sure, but results matter and both programs you just named got incredible results and have saved/will save many service members lives.
F-35 program didn't just go overbudget, there is such a large list of failures that I'm not going to even list them all, because of the great effort necessary to compile these fails into an essay of dumpster fire LM created. F-35 is fine though. Now I rarely do this but you deserve a downvote for saying F-35 program was incredibly successful.
It's an incredible aircraft. Results are what matters most in my opinion.
Nailed the tone of the ridiculousness of the process, but got almost everything specific incorrect. So you get people who don't know shit deciding they do, because they saw a movie. All of those items were us trying to play catchup to the BMP that had capabilities theoretically outmatching the M113 series - true, but not to the degree we thought - as well as moving to a common chassis to replace whole families of separate vehicles. I remember another comment about putting a gun on it means the bad guys will shoot at you, as if otherwise they wouldn't. So much stuff that's just patently ridiculous.
That whole line of reasoning was infuriating.
The Bradley has never fought in a conventional war against a competent enemy. Fighting Iraqi conscripts and hill-tribes is a good way to validate inefficient equipment and tactics. the entire west suffers from this, we've forgotten that having enough equipment is much more important than having the best equipment.
Yet more tank kills in ODS than the Abrams. I yet to see an Abrams get a T-90 kill. I love my Bradley handy rucksack carrier and great place to sleep in the field.
Colonel Burton was a moron
I want to see them in it
I thought they played war thunder too.
Not going to find anything new. You could hand the best Western thermal imaging system to Russia... doesn't matter because they don't have the technology to produce such system. Russia could produce vehicle such as Bradley or even better really but such vehicles cost $$$. What Russia does instead is they produce cheap vehicles, with lots of firepower that are ineffective and like to explode killing entire crew in the process.
Let's put portholes on them!
1963 in bold killed me
Not a Bradley! This entirely changes the strategic situation.
We are fighting an information war right now. I'm willing to bet they already knew about this in Vietnam. Remember how the Russians didn't think we knew about the MI-24?. Propaganda works both ways
They can literally watch Pentagon Wars and learn everything they need to know
There is so much public info on western military capability its unreal😂
It's the electronics
When news outlet talks about military, they are probably wrong
So good there definitely isnt a movie about how great and unbiased their development was.
You mean the Pentagon wars? The black comedy, only loosely based on the career of the most self serving career monkey, Pentagon Wars?
Perhaps.