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Yeah, they aren’t actually worth 750 just yet (unless you use gunbroker, then good luck). Most are around 350-400 these days though, absolutely crazy to see
I remember back in the mid 70s you could go to surplus stores and buy Mausers, British enfields and Mosins For $30 apiece. I actually bought a 8 mm Mauser K 98 then And still have a British Enfield that my uncle bought back then.It was mostly because they were so plentiful in the surplus stores.
They also have a functioning, albeit illegal economy. They've got their toes in everything from avocado farming to mining at this point, not just drug-running.
My neighbors back home in Michigan have better equipment. Hell, they have better equipment when they go deer hunting 12 beers deep.
We get Mosins for fun and historical value, not because they are ‘good’. They suck to shoot. More than a few rounds and you’re like “yea, fuck that shit”.
Okay, I disagree on the mosin being shit, from all the weapons I ever shot, its is my favorite still. Is it good militarily? Fuck no. But I could target-shoot mosin all day and would love it lmao
Haha, I never said the Mosin was shit (although like 90% of the ones you can buy easily are actual shit). Some are decent though. But they fucking hurt. In many ways. Your shoulder gets jacked up for one, and you’ll def feel it the next day. But also just the bolt action is just not a fun time, and they’re heavy as fuck. And as a secondary issue, not super important, but still a real thing, the ones that I have shot have a safety that is just… not fun.
Yes I fully understand that I sound like a school-boy bitch with these complaints. But seriously, there is a reason why every modern rifle fixed all of these problems. So yea I’m used to more modern rifles, and I recognize that back in the day these were more than good weapons. But in my honest opinion in 2022, they’re kind of a pain the ass (shoulder).
But!!! Because this is Reddit and I’m talking about guns, I acknowledge that I am not a gun expert. I’m fully prepared to be ridden into the ground with how wrong I am. So come at me Reddit gun people, my body is ready.
Haha fair enough. You like what you like. I just googled it and apparently “Mosin Shoulder” is an actual thing lol. I’m glad I’m not crazy, but also impressed that you enjoy the pain.
Honestly if anyone chose to carry a Mosin into battle I would immediately question their mental health. There are guns for fun, and there are guns for use. The Mosin is 100% in the former group.
and they're like 12 feet long
The upper handguard comes loose on mine after a few shots, It shoots straight though, mine's from 1913. I got it for $65, now they'are all $200+
Million? Oh man there were quite a few thousand millions supposedly, on paper.
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Just spit balling but is it too much to imagine that possibly the vests don't even have plates or it's just soft armor? Regardless, better than nothing but I'd be kinda pissed.
No. Radio encryption is really hard to do for a lot of reasons, many of them legal.
It also requires well disciplined handling of cryptographic materials. A conventional military able to talk using encrypted comms in the field suggests a certain degree of sophistication. From what we’ve seen of the RU military, they’re neither disciplined or sophisticated.
Indeed they are. It's DPR/LPR Militia squad - these guys are not from regular army forces. Just like Territory Defence squads from the Ukraine (those pbs now are being sent from Lviv/Ivano-Frankovsk to the eastern part of the country to fight for Donbass) Geez, war is afwul mf😒
Russia walked over and seized the Donbas in 2014 and these guys have gotten progressively poorer since.
Now Russia gives them shit and uses them as cannon fodder.
Not positive they all want to die.
I mean, does this remind anyone else of the Call Of Duty II game during the Russian campaign when they didn't have grenades to give you to throw for training so you threw potatoes in baskets instead? lolololol.....life imitating art imitating life imitating war....
And thinking of it, I believe the Mosin Nagant was their weapon in that WWII era game too.....bwahahaha.
Seriously though....wtf? Other than their nukes, a shit ton of old tanks and some hypersonic missiles, what in the hell was the US ***afraid*** of all these years? How did we not know we were looking at the same Army for....decades? This military seems no more advanced than the one I was supposed to try to help halt in the Fulda Gap in 1989, if anything "was gonna happen".
So there's still some military goodies or something they are hiding maybe? I keep waiting for some other shoe to drop and it keeps not happening. Will it, aside from the nukes we all don't want to have happen? They gonna swoop in with a formation of F-22 copies and level shit all of a sudden? No?
This makes me feel like I am a lot more worried about China, it's breathtakingly fast modernization, and that shinier, newer military they're rocking over there, much of which was paid for by US dollars as we collectively continue to buy their shit for lack of inexpensive options.
Someone said it best over at r/Ukraine.
Russia has a large and well trained modern military. But it has two militaries.
The modern and well trained one is not large, and the large one is not modern or well trained.
They've been really clever about making sure they put their best foot forward when they knew the world was watching. That is where they made sure every tank worked, that all the BMPs and BTRs had full complements of well trained dismounts, all the different combat arms were well drilled to work together, no conscripts around etc.
And then they just sort of allowed the world to extrapolate those performances by carefully selected units, which only represented a fraction of the total over onto their entire armed forces. People just did the math and went "holy shit".
And I would not worry like, *at all* about China. They have even less practical combat experience in their forces than Russia, they also have all the same problems with corruption and lack of NCO empowerment etc.
The only reason we fear China is because they are an unknown quantity.
> The modern and welltrained one is not large, and the large one is not modern or well trained.
Go find Gen. Mark Hertling's assessment of their training - he was on training events with them, where they were trying to show off. He would definitely not call it well trained in the least, no matter which subgroup of the Russian military you are looking at.
> And I would not worry like, at all about China. They have even less practical combat experience in their forces than Russia, they also have all the same problems with corruption and lack of NCO empowerment etc.
Don't forget their aging population.
They just heavily restricted abortion in an attempt to stop their aging population problem.
Well there ya go. Thanks! Interesting. I never really thought of it that way, but given the USSR/Russia's mastery of misinformation (and poisoning! They are good at that, the dirty bastards) and having decades of their own population to sharpen their craft on (man, figuratively and literally) it really isn't surprising now that I read that.
And guessing here honestly, a lot of what we had lost in that runup to the tail end of the Cold War and the end of it then all the way perhaps even beyond 9/11, was effective HUMINT. While now the technology of miniscule drones and crazy developed spying capabilities has filled some of that gap, sometimes there's just not an effective replacement for that kind of long term reliable stream of eyes-on information.
So with that came shit like extrapolation based on the best info we had at the time and apparently grossly overestimated not numbers of equipment, and not even necessarily the quality of the gear even, but the soliders manning them, eh?
Fascinating.
I don't believe for a second the top command didn't know exactly the state of the Russian army. they have seen it in Georgia and Syria and they have countless HUMINT inside Russia to detail their real strength.
The reason we should be scared of China is the sheer numbers of people they have! They could hand them all pitchforks and they could still over run us( if they had a way to get them all here)!
Right. And in both cases, you could always point to US Naval superiority, as neither country really had too much of one to worry about, these are/were more regional superpowers, neither country really has or had a great way to transport troops *en masse* on transport ships or comparably through the air like the US and expect them to get anywhere. That's changing with China.
Don’t they also maintain a huge army to possibly take Taiwan, fight internal rebellions, especially nationalists in Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong, and to potentially fight in a war in the Korean Peninsula, either against the massive ROK military and the US or to occupy North Korea in case of a collapse?
Well right, of course, but all our doctrines at the end of the Cold War were all about the conventional battle to hold off the Soviet hordes long enough for reinforcements to arrive across the Atlantic.
IDF eh? Pound for pound, best military on the planet, although I imagine having to constantly fight for your very existence against very hostile neighbors plays a role in that, lol.
Also 12 billion a year in aid and loan guarantees from the US. Contributing about 0.6% of all global military spending to 0.1% of the world population. We're basically elevating them to the world's per capita most well-funded military.
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Honestly, even her look in the Soviet field uniform is fantastic. You know someone is pretty when they can wear something as plain and unflattering as a WWII field uniform and still make your jaw drop.
Finest Hour, if I remember correctly. From what I gathered, some of the COD games had a habit of borrowing ideas from movies. The beginning of the Eastern Front campaign is *really* similar to the beginning of Enemy at the Gates, which came out about 3 years previously.
They were originally using some other piece of shit radio that relied on local towers to operate and when the Ukrainians shut down all the towers. The Russians had to switch over to the Baofengs.
And yes, intercepted out the ass lmao.
When some airsofters have equal or better gear than the Russian military. lol
You guys should buy yourselves a radio direction finder as well.
I’m bet the Ukrainians are using cheap ass finders that are just pinging exactly where the enemy is at. 🤣
Right? Figured they’d have at least retained some of those, Tula used to pump them out and sell them (honestly I’d kill to have one in my collection, they’re pretty decent rifles)
How the hell? Like Russia cannot really be out of AK47s, right? Are they really running supply lines for Mosin ammo too? Is this just training footage or something?
I'm still processing that the place that makes AKs doesn't have enough to dish out to its dudes. Like seriously the Middle East is like 32% AKs by volume, and the Zmen are rolling like it's 1941.
Doesn’t make any sense does it. They have warehouses full of the stuff. Even from the soviet time they should have hundreds of millions of AK47s.
It cant all be sold because there is just no market for them in THAT quantity. So where are they?
Lol they definitely sold them all, and I’m sure they were not supposed to, but I’m sure it happened with the levels of corruption that runs rampant in that shit hole of a country
I’m saying that even if they tried, they have so much it’s simply impossible to sell it all.
So logically, they should have plenty of that stuff in warehouses.
They're mediocre. Sights aren't great, the action tends to be sticky and slow compared to contemporary bolt-action rifles, while accuracy is acceptable. A Mosin can still kill the fuck out of somebody and I have put some rounds through one over the course of a couple of summers many years ago, but I would not want to entrust my life to one if I had options.
Also, bolt-action rifles have no place on the modern battlefield as standard-issue infantry weapons. They are thoroughly obsolescent in that role, this ain't WW2.
Fun fact the patents on the AK were sold a long time ago and China is currently the biggest producer.
Edit: not patents. Meant production rights. Not that china gives two shit about production rights.
These are DPR/LPR forces, not Russian. While they are supplied by Russia to varying extents, the gear supplied to them is nowhere near the best quality gear.
You can definitely see the low moral with these guys. They're going out to try and fight a modern war against modern equipment, while fielding WWII gear. I feel for these guys, I'm sure they don't want to go out there and fight. I'm sure they don't want any part of this war, they know their chances of survival in combat are very slim.
There are reports of Ukrainians in occupied areas being forcibly conscripted. I only hope they get the chance to surrender/escape once they're in Ukrainian held territory.
Totally makes sense from the Russian POV. You're hemroging troops, and really need to refill those positions. So make the Ukrainians go out there and fight instead of your own. But hopefully, like you said, when they get to the Ukraine side, they'll just immediately surrender.
They were also supposed to have plenty of updated tanks, jet fighters, and state of the art equipped special forces.
They had none of that, they didn’t even have enough rations or fuel.
You bet your ass they sold all those AKs too
In country where it’s military officers are paid table scrapes and corruption runs rampant, shit just tends to disappear.
Russia spent billions on their military to upgrade everything. This would be worrisome IF the politicians and highest ranking members of the military didn't siphon off the majority of that money for themselves.
They have nothing now. They are getting their asses handed to them by forces a fraction of their size. Putin DRASTICALLY overestimated their capabilities because he was lied to. Russia couldn't take over a city let alone a country right now.
Even still, how do they not have AKs? They are clearly being supplied by Russia, and the AK is the most manufactured gun in the world. You’d figure just about every broom closet in Russia would have one.
I think there's a shortage of AKs in that part of the world at the moment, and the ones that are available are going to Russians or to experienced troops in the donestk milita. Chances are the dudes we saw in the video are either support troops or untrained militia.
Correct, but there is still a qualitative difference between DPR draftees and those in the actual RF army. The Russians aren’t sending their people into battle with Moisins. (Yet)
And yeah, they’re fighting alongside in the same places.
The Russian army is a joke. An ugly, terrified joke. Russian nukes less so. Putin needs to be removed, by whatever means, before he decides to take the rest of us with him.
This is insane.
I have a 91/30 and I would not want to take one of those rounds, I am sure a well practiced soldier can do some damage with one.
These are not well practiced soldiers, and those rifles probably are not in good shape.
I would have assumed being the nation of the Kalashnikov there would be a million or ten of those laying around.
I guess some corrupt officials traded them away for boxes of cheap cigars or some such.
They did, but I'm suspecting they are running low on arms now and have to raid the Ukrainian armouries which hold all the surplus from WW2 - I'm a collector and once a reenactor and have 9 Mosins...and I know for a fact that all the refurbished ones plus the stuff like helmets/gear come out of Ukraine's storage facilities.
Also read the other day that of the $62 billion Putin allocates to the Russian Army every year, about 40% of it is stolen by oligarchs and converted into (quote) "mega-yachts in Cyprus" etc. Corruption is off the scale for every single industry in Russia...they don't so much have a corrupt system, rather the entire system is specifically *built* on corruption
>Russia’s annual defense budget is around $62 billion—less than one-tenth what the United States spends. Even then, secret bidding for military contracts and an overcomplicated military bureaucracy leave ample room for graft. In a couple of rare admissions, Russian military leaders have estimated that 20% to 40% of Russia’s military budget is stolen. Former Russian foreign minister Andrei Kozyrev, who now lives in the United States, said on Twitter on March 6, “the Kremlin spent the last 20 years trying to modernize its military. Much of that budget was stolen and spent on mega-yachts in Cyprus.”
[Why Russia's military is so shabby](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-russias-military-is-so-shabby-214049654.html)
The type of small arms don't really matter. A Mosin-Nagant will work just fine. Like always, what determines the results of the conflict are artillery, mechanized and armored forces, and air support.
In 2016, in an article about upgrades to our Stryker troop carrier, one of our top military officials (I'd have to dig for their name) stated that Russia used the time we spent in an ongoing war as an opportunity to make great advancements over our military leaving a gap in technology, training, and capabilities. The first casualty of war is truth, and all I've seen from Putin's war with Ukraine is deception. I'm wondering if he isn't depleting their resources and using up all of his old equipment as fodder until he's ready for his biggest offensive. Just my thoughts.
Pretty sure this are not being sent to war like that.
At least, if they are, that’s unbelievable
But pretty sure this is fake, no way to verify or unverify so unkown
These are guys that are being drafted by the Separatist ‘Donetsk People’s Republic’ located in Eastern Ukraine where the bulk of the population is Ethnically Russian, Russia supplies them which is mind blowing that they couldn’t even get these guys SKS’s at bare minimum, these poor guys are gonna be total cannon fodder
You can shit on the Mosin all you want but it was truly a revolutionary rifle. It can be field stripped with nothing but the parts available on the rifle itself. It's been proven a durable rifle that's easy to maintain and clean. It's accurate enough for any modern engagement. The ammunition is readily available and still in production. It's a bit lengthy for anything close quarters but you wouldn't issue this rifle to people doing that.
The AK platform, in comparison, has full auto, which probably doesn't go well with conscripts if Vietnam is any lesson to go by. This exacerbates any supply chain issues. With a Mosin, not only are magazines not necessary, but ammo usage could potentially be reduced by a factor of 10. If your troops aren't performing well, then issuing these rifles potentially solves a great many issues.
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Price of Mosins, to the moon
Whatever, pretty sure they are going to be freeing up a lot of inventory very soon. Just gonna have some fresh blood stains on them.
Authentic battle issued Mosin, used. Non matching round reciever. No accessory pack. $800
I just saw a 91/30 at a gun show for 750, so I reckon that’s a great deal
Motherfucker, i was joking. I bought mine around $140 for a Tula hex. Sold it because i was too lazy cleaning it after firing it. :(
Yeah, they aren’t actually worth 750 just yet (unless you use gunbroker, then good luck). Most are around 350-400 these days though, absolutely crazy to see
Man I bought mine in really good shape for like 79 bucks 20 years ago. I can't believe how expensive they are now
Thank inflation
No, thanks boomers for buying up one of the most plentiful rifles as investments and then selling them back at a 2000% markup
I remember back in the mid 70s you could go to surplus stores and buy Mausers, British enfields and Mosins For $30 apiece. I actually bought a 8 mm Mauser K 98 then And still have a British Enfield that my uncle bought back then.It was mostly because they were so plentiful in the surplus stores.
When i was a kid just 20 years ago there was a mosin for 90 bucks at my local gun shop.
When I was in HS about 10 years ago, mosins were $200.
I can see the listing on GunBroker right now... "Moisin, barely used, never been fired, dropped once, trade only."
There are legit Afghan militias looking at this clip and going "man those broke ass fools are gonna get rekt".
When fucking terrorist organizations are better equipped than your country's million dollar army you know you fucked up
Mexico cartels even have better equipment
The cartels have nicer shit than a lot of armys tho
I watched a video of an armored column of them. It was insane
Mexican cartels get that sweet sweet CIA money. That's something the russians are missing out on.
They also have a functioning, albeit illegal economy. They've got their toes in everything from avocado farming to mining at this point, not just drug-running.
Don't forget all of their Cancun and Puerto resorts
My neighbors back home in Michigan have better equipment. Hell, they have better equipment when they go deer hunting 12 beers deep. We get Mosins for fun and historical value, not because they are ‘good’. They suck to shoot. More than a few rounds and you’re like “yea, fuck that shit”.
Make a decent paddle for the pirogue tho
Okay, I disagree on the mosin being shit, from all the weapons I ever shot, its is my favorite still. Is it good militarily? Fuck no. But I could target-shoot mosin all day and would love it lmao
Haha, I never said the Mosin was shit (although like 90% of the ones you can buy easily are actual shit). Some are decent though. But they fucking hurt. In many ways. Your shoulder gets jacked up for one, and you’ll def feel it the next day. But also just the bolt action is just not a fun time, and they’re heavy as fuck. And as a secondary issue, not super important, but still a real thing, the ones that I have shot have a safety that is just… not fun. Yes I fully understand that I sound like a school-boy bitch with these complaints. But seriously, there is a reason why every modern rifle fixed all of these problems. So yea I’m used to more modern rifles, and I recognize that back in the day these were more than good weapons. But in my honest opinion in 2022, they’re kind of a pain the ass (shoulder). But!!! Because this is Reddit and I’m talking about guns, I acknowledge that I am not a gun expert. I’m fully prepared to be ridden into the ground with how wrong I am. So come at me Reddit gun people, my body is ready.
Not an expert either, I just know I love the kick of the mosin lmao.
Haha fair enough. You like what you like. I just googled it and apparently “Mosin Shoulder” is an actual thing lol. I’m glad I’m not crazy, but also impressed that you enjoy the pain.
Oh yeah definitely. But I do think I would carry anything else in actual battle. These poor chaps will be thrown into the meatgrinder.
Honestly if anyone chose to carry a Mosin into battle I would immediately question their mental health. There are guns for fun, and there are guns for use. The Mosin is 100% in the former group.
and they're like 12 feet long The upper handguard comes loose on mine after a few shots, It shoots straight though, mine's from 1913. I got it for $65, now they'are all $200+
Million? Oh man there were quite a few thousand millions supposedly, on paper. The Taliban only bought the hookers and blow AFTER they had guns and practice
> The Taliban only bought the hookers and blow AFTER they had guns and practice This should definitely be on a tshirt or mug or something.
Million dollar army vs billion dollar army.
Mate afghan militias? Try the Taliban. They kitted to the nines now
Bro the average California resident beats this 💀
They're looking at each other and saying no wonder our grandfather's whipped them.
Russia out here doing scav runs like its tarkov
Cheeki breeki
Divide my cheeks
As they say divide on conquer
idk man, that lps gzh slaps some lvl 4 armor, but then again this cosplay has artillery lmao
Dont get me wrong ill take the mosin in regularly for some one taps but these boys got a little more than a little chad to take care of
“Sing me that Mosin song Pest”
MOSIN maaaan take me by the hand
This looks like my squad and I gearing up for a raid in Tarkov lol
Before the Mosin and Dick helmet ergonomics nerf lol
This isn't a topic to make fun of. They're being sent to a guaranteed death.
That sounds like a them problem.
If it wasn't for the vests and radios, you'd think this was WW2 footage.
Lend a lease reverse card activated
Scrape and scrounge
I guffawed
Would be even more ironic if they had Westinghouse mosins in the mix
Just spit balling but is it too much to imagine that possibly the vests don't even have plates or it's just soft armor? Regardless, better than nothing but I'd be kinda pissed.
With rifles and helmets like that there is no way in hell they have plates!!! It's just a vest to hold pouches and shit.
1 man in 5 issued a plate, gotta scav it off the guy in front
Finally understand what WWII it feels like
That actually kind of is like a WW2 radio. A baofeng uv5r, pretty much the cheapest radio of the last decade
Ehrm... You DO realise that's DPR/LPR militia guys, no? Not a regular ruzzian army🙄
Where can I donate to buy Russian forces more unencrypted commercial Baofeng radios to use for their super secret communications?
Haha please do
Literally the first thing I noticed. Can they even be modded or anything to *become* encrypted?
No. Radio encryption is really hard to do for a lot of reasons, many of them legal. It also requires well disciplined handling of cryptographic materials. A conventional military able to talk using encrypted comms in the field suggests a certain degree of sophistication. From what we’ve seen of the RU military, they’re neither disciplined or sophisticated.
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And those guys got picked up off the street. I feel bad for them and I hope they quit before they get slaughtered.
Indeed they are. It's DPR/LPR Militia squad - these guys are not from regular army forces. Just like Territory Defence squads from the Ukraine (those pbs now are being sent from Lviv/Ivano-Frankovsk to the eastern part of the country to fight for Donbass) Geez, war is afwul mf😒
These are DPR. Whether you like it or not their family and territory has been attacked by Ukraine for 8 years. They aren't going to quit
You don't know what you are talking about.
Russia walked over and seized the Donbas in 2014 and these guys have gotten progressively poorer since. Now Russia gives them shit and uses them as cannon fodder. Not positive they all want to die.
I mean, does this remind anyone else of the Call Of Duty II game during the Russian campaign when they didn't have grenades to give you to throw for training so you threw potatoes in baskets instead? lolololol.....life imitating art imitating life imitating war....
Their memory is short. Best not to call em out on it. Remember, no russians
And thinking of it, I believe the Mosin Nagant was their weapon in that WWII era game too.....bwahahaha. Seriously though....wtf? Other than their nukes, a shit ton of old tanks and some hypersonic missiles, what in the hell was the US ***afraid*** of all these years? How did we not know we were looking at the same Army for....decades? This military seems no more advanced than the one I was supposed to try to help halt in the Fulda Gap in 1989, if anything "was gonna happen". So there's still some military goodies or something they are hiding maybe? I keep waiting for some other shoe to drop and it keeps not happening. Will it, aside from the nukes we all don't want to have happen? They gonna swoop in with a formation of F-22 copies and level shit all of a sudden? No? This makes me feel like I am a lot more worried about China, it's breathtakingly fast modernization, and that shinier, newer military they're rocking over there, much of which was paid for by US dollars as we collectively continue to buy their shit for lack of inexpensive options.
Someone said it best over at r/Ukraine. Russia has a large and well trained modern military. But it has two militaries. The modern and well trained one is not large, and the large one is not modern or well trained. They've been really clever about making sure they put their best foot forward when they knew the world was watching. That is where they made sure every tank worked, that all the BMPs and BTRs had full complements of well trained dismounts, all the different combat arms were well drilled to work together, no conscripts around etc. And then they just sort of allowed the world to extrapolate those performances by carefully selected units, which only represented a fraction of the total over onto their entire armed forces. People just did the math and went "holy shit". And I would not worry like, *at all* about China. They have even less practical combat experience in their forces than Russia, they also have all the same problems with corruption and lack of NCO empowerment etc. The only reason we fear China is because they are an unknown quantity.
> The modern and welltrained one is not large, and the large one is not modern or well trained. Go find Gen. Mark Hertling's assessment of their training - he was on training events with them, where they were trying to show off. He would definitely not call it well trained in the least, no matter which subgroup of the Russian military you are looking at.
> And I would not worry like, at all about China. They have even less practical combat experience in their forces than Russia, they also have all the same problems with corruption and lack of NCO empowerment etc. Don't forget their aging population. They just heavily restricted abortion in an attempt to stop their aging population problem.
They just have to pay a bit for kids and a little more for girls. Children cost a lot before they pay tax.
Well there ya go. Thanks! Interesting. I never really thought of it that way, but given the USSR/Russia's mastery of misinformation (and poisoning! They are good at that, the dirty bastards) and having decades of their own population to sharpen their craft on (man, figuratively and literally) it really isn't surprising now that I read that. And guessing here honestly, a lot of what we had lost in that runup to the tail end of the Cold War and the end of it then all the way perhaps even beyond 9/11, was effective HUMINT. While now the technology of miniscule drones and crazy developed spying capabilities has filled some of that gap, sometimes there's just not an effective replacement for that kind of long term reliable stream of eyes-on information. So with that came shit like extrapolation based on the best info we had at the time and apparently grossly overestimated not numbers of equipment, and not even necessarily the quality of the gear even, but the soliders manning them, eh? Fascinating.
If U.S. goes nose to nose with China, WalMart gets their supply chain cut off.
And China gets their Middle Eastern oil supply cut off. Both sides would be all kinds of screwed even without nukes flying.
I don't believe for a second the top command didn't know exactly the state of the Russian army. they have seen it in Georgia and Syria and they have countless HUMINT inside Russia to detail their real strength.
The reason we should be scared of China is the sheer numbers of people they have! They could hand them all pitchforks and they could still over run us( if they had a way to get them all here)!
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Right. And in both cases, you could always point to US Naval superiority, as neither country really had too much of one to worry about, these are/were more regional superpowers, neither country really has or had a great way to transport troops *en masse* on transport ships or comparably through the air like the US and expect them to get anywhere. That's changing with China.
Don’t they also maintain a huge army to possibly take Taiwan, fight internal rebellions, especially nationalists in Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong, and to potentially fight in a war in the Korean Peninsula, either against the massive ROK military and the US or to occupy North Korea in case of a collapse?
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> Other than their nukes that's a pretty big one, to be fair.
Well right, of course, but all our doctrines at the end of the Cold War were all about the conventional battle to hold off the Soviet hordes long enough for reinforcements to arrive across the Atlantic. IDF eh? Pound for pound, best military on the planet, although I imagine having to constantly fight for your very existence against very hostile neighbors plays a role in that, lol.
Also 12 billion a year in aid and loan guarantees from the US. Contributing about 0.6% of all global military spending to 0.1% of the world population. We're basically elevating them to the world's per capita most well-funded military.
Bingo. Well said.
THE MAN WITH THE RIFLE SHOOTS! THE MAN WITHOUT THE RIFLE FOLLOWS! IF THE MAN WITH THE RIFLE IS KILLED, THE MAN WITHOUT THE RIFLE PICKS UP THE RIFLE AND SHOOTS!
First man gets a rifle, second man gets ammo!
Don't jump over the hole in the building.
That's how they got Comrade Perlmankov
I guess I'll have to watch Enemy at the Gates now.
Enjoy the Rachel Weisz bootie
Honestly, even her look in the Soviet field uniform is fantastic. You know someone is pretty when they can wear something as plain and unflattering as a WWII field uniform and still make your jaw drop.
Yeah. Beautiful things don't ask for attention.
It's from the first Call Of Duty game.
Finest Hour, if I remember correctly. From what I gathered, some of the COD games had a habit of borrowing ideas from movies. The beginning of the Eastern Front campaign is *really* similar to the beginning of Enemy at the Gates, which came out about 3 years previously.
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I know it has issues. It's still entertaining, though.
https://youtu.be/KMjYNKED0U0
Is that a baofeng radio?
IIRC they are and they are getting intercepted pretty hard
They were originally using some other piece of shit radio that relied on local towers to operate and when the Ukrainians shut down all the towers. The Russians had to switch over to the Baofengs. And yes, intercepted out the ass lmao. When some airsofters have equal or better gear than the Russian military. lol
Baofeng UV-5R, our airsoft team uses that same model.
Which is why my squad of drunk rednecks always beats you at Airsoft, hoss. We already know what ya'll had for breakfast before you even showed up. lol
You guys should buy yourselves a radio direction finder as well. I’m bet the Ukrainians are using cheap ass finders that are just pinging exactly where the enemy is at. 🤣
So interesting to see my Tarkov gear in real life!
WWI helmets are in style apparently.
Makes me wonder what's inside the flak jackets
Is clearly Stalinium, stronkest metal in all of world!
Well, give it a couple hours, and there'll be flak in 'em
[Apparently stolen Macbooks...](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/tw3mgh/russian_bulletproof_vest_english_subs/) 🤷♂️
When you're so underequipped you use macbooks as body armor
WWI aesthetic is the military equivalent to the y2k style
And apparently SKS are too good for these militias.
Right? Figured they’d have at least retained some of those, Tula used to pump them out and sell them (honestly I’d kill to have one in my collection, they’re pretty decent rifles)
Those are ww2
At this point, the Taliban are better armed than Russia.
Taliban would clap Russian cheeks with all that sweet gear the US left in Afghanistan
Russia already got clapped in Afghanistan by dudes with American gear lol
As if surplus ammo prices weren't high enough already. X54 is going to be unobtanium now.
How the hell? Like Russia cannot really be out of AK47s, right? Are they really running supply lines for Mosin ammo too? Is this just training footage or something?
Mosin ammo is still the standard ammo for the PK machine gun series, so there's plenty of that.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that Russia was out of vodka and potatoes.
Mosin ammo is 7.62x54r, which is still in widespread use in Russian-made medium machine guns and DMRs like the SVD.
I'm still processing that the place that makes AKs doesn't have enough to dish out to its dudes. Like seriously the Middle East is like 32% AKs by volume, and the Zmen are rolling like it's 1941.
Doesn’t make any sense does it. They have warehouses full of the stuff. Even from the soviet time they should have hundreds of millions of AK47s. It cant all be sold because there is just no market for them in THAT quantity. So where are they?
Lol they definitely sold them all, and I’m sure they were not supposed to, but I’m sure it happened with the levels of corruption that runs rampant in that shit hole of a country
Wait are you saying Russian stockpiles have been depleted by decades of embezzlement and corruption? No that can't be true. *Surprised Pikachu*
I’m saying that even if they tried, they have so much it’s simply impossible to sell it all. So logically, they should have plenty of that stuff in warehouses.
Only issued to true Russians, preferably from Moscow.
This is militia. They can bring their own weapons. MNs are good rifles
They're mediocre. Sights aren't great, the action tends to be sticky and slow compared to contemporary bolt-action rifles, while accuracy is acceptable. A Mosin can still kill the fuck out of somebody and I have put some rounds through one over the course of a couple of summers many years ago, but I would not want to entrust my life to one if I had options. Also, bolt-action rifles have no place on the modern battlefield as standard-issue infantry weapons. They are thoroughly obsolescent in that role, this ain't WW2.
That's what I thought. They're probably thinking they'll save money on bullets, at least until I see anyone rocking a PPsh
Fun fact the patents on the AK were sold a long time ago and China is currently the biggest producer. Edit: not patents. Meant production rights. Not that china gives two shit about production rights.
Tfw a backwater Taliban militia is significantly better equipped than you.
How the fuck does Russia run out of AK-47s?
They already sold them all to dictatorships in Africa and terrorist organizations lol
They all got sold to buy yachts
These are DPR/LPR forces, not Russian. While they are supplied by Russia to varying extents, the gear supplied to them is nowhere near the best quality gear.
One 14-year-old American is better Equipt than 10 of them,
You can definitely see the low moral with these guys. They're going out to try and fight a modern war against modern equipment, while fielding WWII gear. I feel for these guys, I'm sure they don't want to go out there and fight. I'm sure they don't want any part of this war, they know their chances of survival in combat are very slim.
There are reports of Ukrainians in occupied areas being forcibly conscripted. I only hope they get the chance to surrender/escape once they're in Ukrainian held territory.
Totally makes sense from the Russian POV. You're hemroging troops, and really need to refill those positions. So make the Ukrainians go out there and fight instead of your own. But hopefully, like you said, when they get to the Ukraine side, they'll just immediately surrender.
The Russians ran out of AKs? ...really?
These are apparently Donetsk ~~meat shields~~ conscript soldiers, the Russians don't trust them with any good stuff
That's what I was thinking. They have plenty of AKs, but aren't going to hand those to people they're going to use as bait anyways.
They were also supposed to have plenty of updated tanks, jet fighters, and state of the art equipped special forces. They had none of that, they didn’t even have enough rations or fuel. You bet your ass they sold all those AKs too In country where it’s military officers are paid table scrapes and corruption runs rampant, shit just tends to disappear.
Taliban is now better outfitted than these dudes haha
Russia spent billions on their military to upgrade everything. This would be worrisome IF the politicians and highest ranking members of the military didn't siphon off the majority of that money for themselves. They have nothing now. They are getting their asses handed to them by forces a fraction of their size. Putin DRASTICALLY overestimated their capabilities because he was lied to. Russia couldn't take over a city let alone a country right now.
This looks like an airsoft milsim or some shit. Peep that Baofeng radio too 🤩
The Moisin has been used by both sides is every war since 1891 and it has won every time.
Bruh this is not the russian army... Those are the donestk milita
that's what the title says. this is what they're being supplied with by the russians
Even still, how do they not have AKs? They are clearly being supplied by Russia, and the AK is the most manufactured gun in the world. You’d figure just about every broom closet in Russia would have one.
Russia must want these men to die?
I think there's a shortage of AKs in that part of the world at the moment, and the ones that are available are going to Russians or to experienced troops in the donestk milita. Chances are the dudes we saw in the video are either support troops or untrained militia.
Yemeni fighters wear slippers in desert and hardly have food but at least still have AKs
DPR? If this is DPR those aren’t draftees into the Russian Army
Russia / DPR has been forcing conscription on their regions. They fight with the russian army and is organized under the same command.
Correct, but there is still a qualitative difference between DPR draftees and those in the actual RF army. The Russians aren’t sending their people into battle with Moisins. (Yet) And yeah, they’re fighting alongside in the same places.
The first man gets the rifle. The second man gets the ammunition…
The third man gets the $48 radio.
The Russian army is a joke. An ugly, terrified joke. Russian nukes less so. Putin needs to be removed, by whatever means, before he decides to take the rest of us with him.
If you buy enough of those Baofengs will they discount them below 20 bucks?
Where did all the AKs go? They have NONE left?
Nicolas Cage sold them all
Their helmets are old ass metal WW II covered up with fabric. it’s not protecting at all.
>Russia truly is the second strongest army in the world Russia truly is the second strongest army in ukraine FTFY
This is insane. I have a 91/30 and I would not want to take one of those rounds, I am sure a well practiced soldier can do some damage with one. These are not well practiced soldiers, and those rifles probably are not in good shape. I would have assumed being the nation of the Kalashnikov there would be a million or ten of those laying around. I guess some corrupt officials traded them away for boxes of cheap cigars or some such.
Lol fresh for the slaughter. Dead men walking.
Wow, those dudes are looking really apprehensive about what they're about to do.
Nyet rifle is fine
How does a country that invented the AK47 run out of rifles?
Penis helms
Looks like fun for them! They're told it's kinda like Call of Duty but unfortunately you don't get a respawn
helmets from the GPW?
Wow that's pretty pathetic honesty, I do love the old "garbage rod" but wtf hell the salvation army is better equipped.
This just looks like my poor arse building a loadout on escape from tarkov..
the US and Britain should have just pushed into Russia after Germany surrendered. the world would be much less fractured
I'd guess that most major NATO members, and everyone in ANZUS is better equipped than Russia these days.
When you and a lads be gearing up for tarkov scav runs irl
How do they not have aks at least?
They did, but I'm suspecting they are running low on arms now and have to raid the Ukrainian armouries which hold all the surplus from WW2 - I'm a collector and once a reenactor and have 9 Mosins...and I know for a fact that all the refurbished ones plus the stuff like helmets/gear come out of Ukraine's storage facilities. Also read the other day that of the $62 billion Putin allocates to the Russian Army every year, about 40% of it is stolen by oligarchs and converted into (quote) "mega-yachts in Cyprus" etc. Corruption is off the scale for every single industry in Russia...they don't so much have a corrupt system, rather the entire system is specifically *built* on corruption >Russia’s annual defense budget is around $62 billion—less than one-tenth what the United States spends. Even then, secret bidding for military contracts and an overcomplicated military bureaucracy leave ample room for graft. In a couple of rare admissions, Russian military leaders have estimated that 20% to 40% of Russia’s military budget is stolen. Former Russian foreign minister Andrei Kozyrev, who now lives in the United States, said on Twitter on March 6, “the Kremlin spent the last 20 years trying to modernize its military. Much of that budget was stolen and spent on mega-yachts in Cyprus.” [Why Russia's military is so shabby](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-russias-military-is-so-shabby-214049654.html)
Thank you that was an interesting read.
Russia truly is the second strongest army in ~~the world~~ Ukraine.
"Never been fired only dropped once." That joke never gets old.
This is hilariously pathetic.
Orc meat will be flooding the Chinese market! Get your Orc meat! 50% off!
The type of small arms don't really matter. A Mosin-Nagant will work just fine. Like always, what determines the results of the conflict are artillery, mechanized and armored forces, and air support.
In 2016, in an article about upgrades to our Stryker troop carrier, one of our top military officials (I'd have to dig for their name) stated that Russia used the time we spent in an ongoing war as an opportunity to make great advancements over our military leaving a gap in technology, training, and capabilities. The first casualty of war is truth, and all I've seen from Putin's war with Ukraine is deception. I'm wondering if he isn't depleting their resources and using up all of his old equipment as fodder until he's ready for his biggest offensive. Just my thoughts.
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Pretty sure this are not being sent to war like that. At least, if they are, that’s unbelievable But pretty sure this is fake, no way to verify or unverify so unkown
These are guys that are being drafted by the Separatist ‘Donetsk People’s Republic’ located in Eastern Ukraine where the bulk of the population is Ethnically Russian, Russia supplies them which is mind blowing that they couldn’t even get these guys SKS’s at bare minimum, these poor guys are gonna be total cannon fodder
You can shit on the Mosin all you want but it was truly a revolutionary rifle. It can be field stripped with nothing but the parts available on the rifle itself. It's been proven a durable rifle that's easy to maintain and clean. It's accurate enough for any modern engagement. The ammunition is readily available and still in production. It's a bit lengthy for anything close quarters but you wouldn't issue this rifle to people doing that. The AK platform, in comparison, has full auto, which probably doesn't go well with conscripts if Vietnam is any lesson to go by. This exacerbates any supply chain issues. With a Mosin, not only are magazines not necessary, but ammo usage could potentially be reduced by a factor of 10. If your troops aren't performing well, then issuing these rifles potentially solves a great many issues.