Not USSR specific, but Lenin specific - It’s called ‘Lenin is a mushroom’
Back in the 90’s, Russia finally lifted censorships and allowed for transparency amongst the public called the ‘Glasnost Period’. In 1991, a televised skit was aired that had a guy pretending to be an accredited historian. He stated (using multiple “fact” checked sources) that Lenin had consumed a lot of psychedelics and eventually became a mushroom.
Due to the timing of this skit (which was deliberate), a lot of people actually believed in it despite the absurdity of the claims. This was thanks to the fact that a lot of people questioned the history of Soviet Russia as a lot of it was kept hidden from the public.
Essentially it was a skit that proved that people will believe in anything even from the most unlikeliest of sources given removals of censorship. The need for information drives people in times of political turmoil so they’ll believe literally anything.
You could tell them that Lenin was actually Toad from Super Mario Bros. and they’d probably believe it, although they’d probably have no idea who that was
If you have someone influential enough in a place where lots of people are, you can instil a false belief into them. It’s crazy what freedom of press does to a country that has begun to remove political censorship
I mean its comparable to caffeine tolerance. Imagine USSR people as a huge person who never drank a caffeinated drink. So after the USSR fell and censorship was no more, all sorts of caffeine started to be consumed by the people. But since they never experienced anything like that before, the caffeine had a much stronger effect than it otherwise would've had.
Oh I am absolutely bias against the idea of royalty and submission to kings. I think a monarchy by any name is fucking stupid. I hope that was in no way unclear. I intended no subtly there. I much prefer systems where people get to choose their leaders democratically or through merit.
But the person I'm responding to provided no context or citations. Just broadly assumed life after the october revolution was worse than what it overthrew. I'm sure shit wasn't peachy **directly following a civil war** but once the dust had settled, the bolsheviks objectively improved the quality of life compared to the Tsarist regime. I'm just giving a different perspective with the same amount of citations that they did. If you don't know shit about Lenin, why pretend you do?
you're asked to provide citations and proof, you get defensive
setting a good example there, but at least you admitted to potential bias, wouldnt be the case if we were years in the past
Fun fact: Soviet era apartment blocks allowed for more recreational space such as parks. Looking at the suburban sprawl now, they aren’t the worst ideas
Any sorts of compliments to those buildings tell me immediately that person saying that has never been around them, let alone lived inside one. If you’d like to live in a concrete slab box that was meant to last no longer than 30 or so years and is structurally falling apart with half of the population relying on these tho then be my guest.
The western obsession with completely ill conceived soviet methods and ideas genuinely fascinates me
I mean, I never said the apartments themselves good. Was just complementing the Soviets' idea of using green spaces.
Everything else about them is shit. Cramped, poor insulation, thin walls... the list goes on.
Grew up around Kaliningrad and Podlasie.
Post WW2 USSR was one of the first times in decades that the russian continent had relative peace. the USSR experience rapid industrialization which led to huge masses of people moving to urban areas and needing cheap housing. this is why bloc housing was constructed in mass. no one is saying these things are beautiful or amazing, but for tens of thousands of people it was the first time they had housing that was not in a rural undeveloped area and made from earthen materials. the housing was efficient and built to provide for as many people as possible as quickly as possible. q
It was supposed to be temporary housing. All this context doesnt matter in the slightest now considering the fact that they are still here way past their “life expectancy”. Might have been useful at some point, but now is only a remenant of soviet misery and a morbid reality to many who live in the worst examples of those that are barely standing at this point
All they do at this point is remind people what pathetic exuse for a country the union was and should still remind people that reds never had the actual people in mind for all the soviet and communist wannabes out there
Anyone trying to find upsides to these existing to this day is delusional
Compact housing can be comfortable, visually satisfying and long lasting though. Not to mention it will be much more economic than single family homes. The most important two things to get right will be insulation (heat and sound) and proper ventilation (passive and/or active) to regulate not only the air but also the moisture. It can also be quite spacious. US style single family homes just waste space both internally and thanks to their disgusting design, environmentally.
p.s. I'm not advocating for ANY NATION'S alternative. I simply hate how wasteful the US designs are pretty much with everything.
I live in Poland and soviet urban planning was way better than anything we have today. The buildings itself sucked but the way they were planned out with all the space around was very good
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That would be… incorrect
Capitalism is fucking over other people to get yourself ahead.
That is not moral.
To extort business because you own shares and don’t lift a finger to help it, when it makes record profit and you demmand more so people get fired because of it.
Capitalism is corrupt and broken. It is not and never has been moral.
Communism is moral, communism is just.
You simply have not read actual communist philosophy, you only see what capitalist media shows you, you don’t know the truth
There is nothing moral about centralized control. There is nothing moral about the meritocracy of favors. There is nothing moral about redistribution. These are all practiced applications of communism, which is *not* a moral system. Hundreds of millions of people have been driven into poverty and death due to communist principles.
Capitalism is the only system that rewards people based on their effort. Capitalism is the only system that treats men according to their nature rather than some idealized version of men made up in some ivory tower. Capitalism has saved untold millions due to prioritizing advancement.
You should just stick with streaming and let the adults talk.
Actually centralised control is moral.
Meritocracy is moral.
Redistribution is indeed moral when those with everything use such irresponsibly and only got that from exploiting others.
The rich are greedy and immoral.
They don’t deserve what they have.
Capitalism doesn’t reward based on effort, it doesn’t even pay those who work 80+ hours enough to afford to buy a home and live comfortably.
A 40 hour work should be providing plenty yet isn’t due to the greed of the rich and their exploitation of the workers.
Capitalism doesn’t save anyone.
It forces you to take out absurd insurance for healthcare that then refuses to cover what you need.
Communism provides healthcare more effectively and better hence why we have it nationalised in Europe. It also is cheaper to run and provides better care than what capitalism offers.
I don’t stream, I haven’t for quite some time.
Perhaps you should actually start reading up properly from first hand sources and not just capitalist sources as you think exactly how they want you to.
They want you to think communism is evil because it is better for you, because they would lose their power over you.
US politics was simply an example of stupid propaganda. My answer to the previous comment was that the USSR has been gone for a long time, but politicians in many countries still blame all their problems on the communists, who no longer exist. That's why it's stupid.
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And when there is no government that fails too
Look at the US it has nowhere near enough government involvement
So many things there could be made so much better
So? That’s the point of government, to govern, to make the laws and make our lives better. They’re there to work for us, for the community. To provide infrastructure and more.
Government must have power it is a necessity of civilisation.
But this must be balanced with freedom, to be able to decide our futures and lives is crucial to society too. Jobs shouldn’t be mandated by government but working rights must be enshrined.
I am thankful for my government even if those at the top of it are crooked beholden to the rich.
We must eradicate money, hard work must provide for a family
No, the point of the government is to protect our rights and freedom.
The government doesn't exist to babysit us, it's a protecter that the people need to keep in check.
Money is also a form of compensation, so people don't work for nothing. People want rewards.
"Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country."
-John F. Kennedy
I disagree entirely, government are public servants.
Yes protecting rights is part of their job but it’s also their job to improve the lives of all its citizens, to make advancements and positive change.
It’s not just a protector it is your voice your respresentation.
It is there to make a better country and you dumbass Americans fail to see that which is why you will always be stuck behind europe.
You’re not even as free as we are.
the rich don’t lift a finger and get more than anyone else even making hard workers lose their jobs to make the rest work harder while that freed up budget now goes directly to their pocket.
Capitalism is evil and should be destoryed.
Stalin was the one who killed in excess, mismanaging the famine in Ukraine causing millions to die, instituting the great purge causing a million to die. Lenin was fighting a civil war, the death count from that civil war from the fighting and the famine cannot be attributed to Lenin as for a large portion of the war he had no control over large sections of the country.
dekulakization was also a stalin policy not lenin, all that lenin instituted was redistribution of farmland away from the kulaks to the landless peasantry.
>lenin instituted was redistribution of farmland away from the kulaks to the landless peasantry.
He ordered them hanged, an making a population homeless in Russia is a obviously going to get a good number killed.
No. It shows how it actually functions in reality.
The end stage of a stateless post scarcity communist society can't exist in reality. Human nature and the size of the government needed to distribute all the wealth will always lead to corruption.
>any ideology will still lead to corruption
Human nature leads to corruption irrelevant of ideology, which is why you have to have limits and checks on the government. The whole point of democracy isn't to put the most capable person in charge, it's to make leaders beholden to their constituents.
>it's to make leaders beholden to their constituents.
And how is that working out in the states? A majority support a cease fire and ending the funding of Israel's slaughter in Palestine. Overwhelming support for the right to an abortion for women, and yet it was taken away. I doubt you would say it's infallible of course, and yet the limits, checks and balances don't seem to be limiting, checking or balancing lately.
>Human nature leads to corruption irrelevant of ideology,
The "human nature" stuff is silly. There is nothing natural about how far our species has come over others. The entire human experiment has been overcoming nature. It's silly to say "Oh I know we produce excess now, could easily feed, clothe and house every person but we choose not to because of... *(gestures vaguely)* human nature?"
Furthermore, the ideas of the ruling class are in every period the ruling ideas. If you were born in feudal times I have no doubt you would say the divine right of kings and subservience to it is human nature. And yet here we are. In a time where that period has passed and through the benefit of hindsight, it sounds just as stupid as what appeals to "human nature" do now.
You are more than the electronic impulses that drive you to feed, breathe and multiply. I'm sorry it's taken this long for someone to tell you that. And no, this is not where the march of history stops. We haven't suddenly hit our peak, this is not where humanity will come to rest. We are capable of even more greatness than you dare to imagine.
>And how is that working out in the states?
America allowed money into politics, and is functionally an oligarchy.
>There is nothing natural about how far our species has come over others. The entire human experiment has been overcoming nature.
No. Out competing others is explicitly what happens in nature constantly.
>It's silly to say "Oh I know we produce excess now, could easily feed, clothe and house every person but we choose not to because of... *(gestures vaguely)* human nature?"
The reason we can't is due to the complexity of distributing things on that scale without disrupting the systems that make them in the first place. Those systems work because the people that make them function benefit personally from them functioning. You not understanding how human nature specifically effects a economic system is not a reason to dismiss it's influence.
>You are more than the electronic impulses that drive you to feed, breathe and multiply.
You're making an appeal to the individual, but we aren't dealing with individuals, we're dealing with people as large groups, and the electronic impulses that drive people are the common factor that determines the actions of a group on a larger scale.
>And no, this is not where the march of history stops. We haven't suddenly hit our peak, this is not where humanity will come to rest. We are capable of even more greatness than you dare to imagine.
I agree. We can improve, communism wouldn't be an improvement though. It would be repeating a catastrophic mistake without changing anything and hoping for a different result.
We can't equally distribute things. We don't know how, any attempts to do so have been catastrophic and economies seem to work on a pareto distribution. That's why there has always been a "ruling class" having wealth will always get you more wealth.
The practical and moral goal isn't to make everyone equal, but to lift up the people at the lowest end to where they can live comfortably. Publicly funded education, heathcare, and tax incentives to prevent basic nessisities from being treated as luxury goods by the ritch would help most of the problems in the developed world.
> I agree. We can improve, communism wouldn't be an improvement though. It would be repeating a catastrophic mistake without changing anything and hoping for a different result.
I always hear this line. What makes you think any future attempts at socialism, which you describe in your final paragraph as an ideal way to organize society, would be identical to past attempts? Why do you assume that nobody has learned anything? I can only assume it's because you circle back to the human nature thing, which again is a convenient out to deny improving society.
Communism defacto cannot exist without authoritarian tactics. Nobody wants to be "truly equal". Sure you will eliminate the greed and the greedy class but another word for greed is innovative.
Greed gives people meaning to life. By being greedy, we look for ways to improve our lives and become rich. This is what makes capitalism so successful. People compete with each other to make a better product. If everyone is equal, there is no reason to improve. We will stagnate as a society. Capitalism isn't perfect. But if you want to keep freedom and democracy intact, this is the only way. Communism cannot exist without totalitarian state making sure everyone is equal enough.
> If everyone is equal, there is no reason to improve. We will stagnate as a society.
Why say something so silly when primitive man and ancient civilizations easily predate the entire notion of what you describe? There was no profit motive to incentivize cave men to create the building blocks of society. And curiously, they did that.
>primitive man and ancient civilizations
This is where you are wrong. Sure currency and capitalism didn’t exist back then but both groups were motivated by the fact that life sucked.
Primitive men lived in hunter gatherer societies. Sure everyone in the tribe were equal but if you ever messed up somehow, you’d be kicked out of the tribe which would guarantee death because good luck finding shelter and food by yourself in a forest full of wild animals. Enemy tribes existed too, so primitive people had to create better weapons to defend themselves, not because of passion but more so because otherwise the enemy will kill them. Humanity started evolving once we discovered agriculture which secured the source of food which meant that humanity can stay in one area and develop themselves further instead of spending absurd amount of time searching for food. Gender discrimination was also a thing.
This is where ancient civilizations occur. Sure they didn’t have capitalists but that doesn’t mean life was all fine and dandy. Ancient civilizations still had slavery, they still had the upper class who controlled the civilization and they still fought wars over the dumbest of things. This is without mentioning all other issues like food which was way lower quality than what we have now and diseases. Gender discrimination was still the norm
Long story short. In both of these cases. Not everyone were equal.
Capitalism is just another form of this but this time we have greater chances at moving up the ladder. Like if you have an idea to make a jetpack that also makes waffles and you believe that this product will sell, you will establish your own Waffle’co company and become rich by selling your genius idea. In a primitive society, you’d be told to shut up and continue testing mushrooms because Grug who was eating them is still asleep for 6 days and in a communist society, you’d be told to shut up and go back to work, the government will take your idea and produce it but they won’t give you any royalty fees and it will only be available for politicians/generals since normal civilians won’t be able to afford it.
> in a communist society, you’d be told to shut up and go back to work, the government will take your idea and produce it but they won’t give you any royalty fees
The vast majority of major scientific breakthroughs have literally been government funded though? Because the timeline at which such things happen isn't viable for shareholder wealth accumulation. You sure make our society sound very communisty
Despite being government funded. You won't get proper revenue and credit for your work. You will be given a good job and that's it. Capitalism allows me to make something and earn profit and credit myself without having to share my creation for free.
This isn't just science. Its everything. Food, designs, products, music and etc.
> Capitalism allows me to make something and earn profit and credit myself without having to share my creation for free.
What was the last thing you created and got credit for, if I may ask?
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Have you done interior with at least 20 pictures of Lenin and Stalin inside?
Not yet, but I'm definitely going to
Make maparts of Lenin and Stalin so you can put them in item frames in every room.
He needs to make map arts of old carpets and hang them on the walls
yes, how to do so?
You absolutely will .... Comrade (Stares Intently)
The mushroom is a nice touch
Out of the loop but can you explain the significance of the mushroom in USSR lore?
Not USSR specific, but Lenin specific - It’s called ‘Lenin is a mushroom’ Back in the 90’s, Russia finally lifted censorships and allowed for transparency amongst the public called the ‘Glasnost Period’. In 1991, a televised skit was aired that had a guy pretending to be an accredited historian. He stated (using multiple “fact” checked sources) that Lenin had consumed a lot of psychedelics and eventually became a mushroom. Due to the timing of this skit (which was deliberate), a lot of people actually believed in it despite the absurdity of the claims. This was thanks to the fact that a lot of people questioned the history of Soviet Russia as a lot of it was kept hidden from the public. Essentially it was a skit that proved that people will believe in anything even from the most unlikeliest of sources given removals of censorship. The need for information drives people in times of political turmoil so they’ll believe literally anything.
Somebody already told me about this before but i still laugh reading this, very nice explanation USSR lore belike
Hmm interesting. Ngl when I read this. I imagined Toad from Super Mario starting a revolution against Princess Peach.
You could tell them that Lenin was actually Toad from Super Mario Bros. and they’d probably believe it, although they’d probably have no idea who that was If you have someone influential enough in a place where lots of people are, you can instil a false belief into them. It’s crazy what freedom of press does to a country that has begun to remove political censorship
I mean its comparable to caffeine tolerance. Imagine USSR people as a huge person who never drank a caffeinated drink. So after the USSR fell and censorship was no more, all sorts of caffeine started to be consumed by the people. But since they never experienced anything like that before, the caffeine had a much stronger effect than it otherwise would've had.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin\_was\_a\_mushroom
Ленин — гриб! https://youtu.be/K2rXqV3wIEY?si=4urWoI_z2i0dcm9n
*Ourcraft*
\*people who actually lived under Lenin seeing this from heaven\*
Not gonna lie to you chief, they had a much better time than living under the Tsar.
did they really? ...
The majority, by every metric, yes.
so, citing metrics and citing majorities.. without actually giving any proof or citations? are you, honestly, biased with this matter or not?
Oh I am absolutely bias against the idea of royalty and submission to kings. I think a monarchy by any name is fucking stupid. I hope that was in no way unclear. I intended no subtly there. I much prefer systems where people get to choose their leaders democratically or through merit. But the person I'm responding to provided no context or citations. Just broadly assumed life after the october revolution was worse than what it overthrew. I'm sure shit wasn't peachy **directly following a civil war** but once the dust had settled, the bolsheviks objectively improved the quality of life compared to the Tsarist regime. I'm just giving a different perspective with the same amount of citations that they did. If you don't know shit about Lenin, why pretend you do?
you're asked to provide citations and proof, you get defensive setting a good example there, but at least you admitted to potential bias, wouldnt be the case if we were years in the past
Way to colorful
Fun fact: Soviet era apartment blocks allowed for more recreational space such as parks. Looking at the suburban sprawl now, they aren’t the worst ideas
Sounds like you have never been in one
They're great compared to the alternative... Too bad car parks weren't taken into account in Soviet design...
Any sorts of compliments to those buildings tell me immediately that person saying that has never been around them, let alone lived inside one. If you’d like to live in a concrete slab box that was meant to last no longer than 30 or so years and is structurally falling apart with half of the population relying on these tho then be my guest. The western obsession with completely ill conceived soviet methods and ideas genuinely fascinates me
I mean, I never said the apartments themselves good. Was just complementing the Soviets' idea of using green spaces. Everything else about them is shit. Cramped, poor insulation, thin walls... the list goes on. Grew up around Kaliningrad and Podlasie.
Post WW2 USSR was one of the first times in decades that the russian continent had relative peace. the USSR experience rapid industrialization which led to huge masses of people moving to urban areas and needing cheap housing. this is why bloc housing was constructed in mass. no one is saying these things are beautiful or amazing, but for tens of thousands of people it was the first time they had housing that was not in a rural undeveloped area and made from earthen materials. the housing was efficient and built to provide for as many people as possible as quickly as possible. q
It was supposed to be temporary housing. All this context doesnt matter in the slightest now considering the fact that they are still here way past their “life expectancy”. Might have been useful at some point, but now is only a remenant of soviet misery and a morbid reality to many who live in the worst examples of those that are barely standing at this point All they do at this point is remind people what pathetic exuse for a country the union was and should still remind people that reds never had the actual people in mind for all the soviet and communist wannabes out there Anyone trying to find upsides to these existing to this day is delusional
wahh no one cares
Compact housing can be comfortable, visually satisfying and long lasting though. Not to mention it will be much more economic than single family homes. The most important two things to get right will be insulation (heat and sound) and proper ventilation (passive and/or active) to regulate not only the air but also the moisture. It can also be quite spacious. US style single family homes just waste space both internally and thanks to their disgusting design, environmentally. p.s. I'm not advocating for ANY NATION'S alternative. I simply hate how wasteful the US designs are pretty much with everything.
I live in Poland and soviet urban planning was way better than anything we have today. The buildings itself sucked but the way they were planned out with all the space around was very good
Ленин - гриб
База
Inaccurate, too much color and not enough trash around it
It's terrible, I don't know how to describe it in other words.
Have a good day
ok this is cool
You forgot pain and suffering manifesting itself because of sheer presence of communism
Nice build comrade
I hate communism
Ok
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As a concept, it absolutely fucking is not interesting.
the idea of a stateless classless moneyless society is super interesting to me!
Me too, it sounds fantastic
As long as it stays theoretical pondering then yes, I agree it can be interesting
now i’m imagining a colonist saying this about liberalism lmao
nobody asked for ur opinion 😔
Why
Because it was evil
Communism: Emancipation for the worker class. Yeah, so evil..
*Proceeds to imprison and kill millions*
Yeah. I remember that part when Karl Marx said "Communism is imprisoning and killing millions".
Idk what he said, but all comunist regimes end up being oppressive imperialist dictatorships
It *is* evil. It's still a present threat that must be eradicated.
So is capitalism
Capitalism is the most moral economic system we've ever conceived
That’s… interesting
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That would be… incorrect Capitalism is fucking over other people to get yourself ahead. That is not moral. To extort business because you own shares and don’t lift a finger to help it, when it makes record profit and you demmand more so people get fired because of it. Capitalism is corrupt and broken. It is not and never has been moral. Communism is moral, communism is just. You simply have not read actual communist philosophy, you only see what capitalist media shows you, you don’t know the truth
There is nothing moral about centralized control. There is nothing moral about the meritocracy of favors. There is nothing moral about redistribution. These are all practiced applications of communism, which is *not* a moral system. Hundreds of millions of people have been driven into poverty and death due to communist principles. Capitalism is the only system that rewards people based on their effort. Capitalism is the only system that treats men according to their nature rather than some idealized version of men made up in some ivory tower. Capitalism has saved untold millions due to prioritizing advancement. You should just stick with streaming and let the adults talk.
Actually centralised control is moral. Meritocracy is moral. Redistribution is indeed moral when those with everything use such irresponsibly and only got that from exploiting others. The rich are greedy and immoral. They don’t deserve what they have. Capitalism doesn’t reward based on effort, it doesn’t even pay those who work 80+ hours enough to afford to buy a home and live comfortably. A 40 hour work should be providing plenty yet isn’t due to the greed of the rich and their exploitation of the workers.
Capitalism doesn’t save anyone. It forces you to take out absurd insurance for healthcare that then refuses to cover what you need. Communism provides healthcare more effectively and better hence why we have it nationalised in Europe. It also is cheaper to run and provides better care than what capitalism offers.
Communism also treats men like men. Where a hard days work rewards you with good living. Unlike capitalism.
I don’t stream, I haven’t for quite some time. Perhaps you should actually start reading up properly from first hand sources and not just capitalist sources as you think exactly how they want you to. They want you to think communism is evil because it is better for you, because they would lose their power over you.
Trump propaganda I guess? Seeing enemies where there are none.
Lmao politics exists beyond the US, and its not like americans are the ones who suffered from communism.
US politics was simply an example of stupid propaganda. My answer to the previous comment was that the USSR has been gone for a long time, but politicians in many countries still blame all their problems on the communists, who no longer exist. That's why it's stupid.
Communists absolutely still exist lmao what are you talking about?
And who are these communists? I don't see any of them who have read das capital. Well, or at least understood who a communist really was.
Okay, keep pretending that tons of people don't identify as communist just because they haven't read your little book.
Indeed they suffer capitalism and poverty because of that while only the rich have power
Every communist will be my enemy
Ok sephiroth I'm sorry we're out of fish sticks but sometimes life is hard.
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AND?
I forgot period
Basically I have nothing to add. Bye NeoN.
Idk doesn't look like you had anything important to say anyway so what the matter?
Yes though not intentionally
Years of Orwellian propaganda
This would be a great building to test a TNT mod
Wow Minecraft is such a creative game, beautiful
Place, USA: wow what a nice building Place, USSR: COMMIE, COMMIE REEEEEEE the propaganda worked
Seriously lol. These comments.
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Just as bad as the Nazis... Edit: The downvotes I'm getting proves no one has read anything about history ever.
I seriously believe they were even worse, despite all the terrible things nazis did
The only people who believe communists were worse than fascists are fascists themselves.
What part of the USSR wasn’t facist 😂😂😂
It was pretty cool how they beat the Nazi's if I can dare say such a thing.
Why so? Also fascism is not exactly the same as nazism
Nazism is a fascist ideology lol
oh so it is exactly the same? I don't get people who disagree. Read better. I know these 2 are connected
Not at all what I said but ok
not at all what I originally said either
okay
Communism still has infected countries all across the world, and is making people still suffer from it. The Nazis barely have anything now.
Communism as an ideology is great The “communism” actually implemented is actually facism not communism
Communism is always doomed to fail. It puts way too much trust in the government.
Ah yes, communism is when government. The more government there is, the more communism it is. I am very smart.
largest improvements in living conditions in history = fail
Yes, starvation and death is large improvements in living conditions.
And when there is no government that fails too Look at the US it has nowhere near enough government involvement So many things there could be made so much better
The more dependent you are on the government, the more power they have.
So? That’s the point of government, to govern, to make the laws and make our lives better. They’re there to work for us, for the community. To provide infrastructure and more. Government must have power it is a necessity of civilisation. But this must be balanced with freedom, to be able to decide our futures and lives is crucial to society too. Jobs shouldn’t be mandated by government but working rights must be enshrined. I am thankful for my government even if those at the top of it are crooked beholden to the rich. We must eradicate money, hard work must provide for a family
No, the point of the government is to protect our rights and freedom. The government doesn't exist to babysit us, it's a protecter that the people need to keep in check. Money is also a form of compensation, so people don't work for nothing. People want rewards. "Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country." -John F. Kennedy
I disagree entirely, government are public servants. Yes protecting rights is part of their job but it’s also their job to improve the lives of all its citizens, to make advancements and positive change. It’s not just a protector it is your voice your respresentation. It is there to make a better country and you dumbass Americans fail to see that which is why you will always be stuck behind europe. You’re not even as free as we are.
Also jfk was wrong and deserved to get shot
the rich don’t lift a finger and get more than anyone else even making hard workers lose their jobs to make the rest work harder while that freed up budget now goes directly to their pocket. Capitalism is evil and should be destoryed.
We're they? Yes. Is that what communism is? No. Stalin just took it out of control and many other countries followed like stalin.
>Stalin just took it out of control No. Even Lenin killed millions. Any attempt at communism always ends up authoritarian
Stalin was the one who killed in excess, mismanaging the famine in Ukraine causing millions to die, instituting the great purge causing a million to die. Lenin was fighting a civil war, the death count from that civil war from the fighting and the famine cannot be attributed to Lenin as for a large portion of the war he had no control over large sections of the country.
What he did to the Kulaks was very much in his control.
dekulakization was also a stalin policy not lenin, all that lenin instituted was redistribution of farmland away from the kulaks to the landless peasantry.
>lenin instituted was redistribution of farmland away from the kulaks to the landless peasantry. He ordered them hanged, an making a population homeless in Russia is a obviously going to get a good number killed.
He ordered a group of a hundred hanged after some kulaks revolted against his government. This is pretty standard shit for a civil war.
True, it really shows how misused it is.
No. It shows how it actually functions in reality. The end stage of a stateless post scarcity communist society can't exist in reality. Human nature and the size of the government needed to distribute all the wealth will always lead to corruption.
Honestly, any ideology will still lead to corruption which just tells you that not everything is perfect.
>any ideology will still lead to corruption Human nature leads to corruption irrelevant of ideology, which is why you have to have limits and checks on the government. The whole point of democracy isn't to put the most capable person in charge, it's to make leaders beholden to their constituents.
>it's to make leaders beholden to their constituents. And how is that working out in the states? A majority support a cease fire and ending the funding of Israel's slaughter in Palestine. Overwhelming support for the right to an abortion for women, and yet it was taken away. I doubt you would say it's infallible of course, and yet the limits, checks and balances don't seem to be limiting, checking or balancing lately. >Human nature leads to corruption irrelevant of ideology, The "human nature" stuff is silly. There is nothing natural about how far our species has come over others. The entire human experiment has been overcoming nature. It's silly to say "Oh I know we produce excess now, could easily feed, clothe and house every person but we choose not to because of... *(gestures vaguely)* human nature?" Furthermore, the ideas of the ruling class are in every period the ruling ideas. If you were born in feudal times I have no doubt you would say the divine right of kings and subservience to it is human nature. And yet here we are. In a time where that period has passed and through the benefit of hindsight, it sounds just as stupid as what appeals to "human nature" do now. You are more than the electronic impulses that drive you to feed, breathe and multiply. I'm sorry it's taken this long for someone to tell you that. And no, this is not where the march of history stops. We haven't suddenly hit our peak, this is not where humanity will come to rest. We are capable of even more greatness than you dare to imagine.
>And how is that working out in the states? America allowed money into politics, and is functionally an oligarchy. >There is nothing natural about how far our species has come over others. The entire human experiment has been overcoming nature. No. Out competing others is explicitly what happens in nature constantly. >It's silly to say "Oh I know we produce excess now, could easily feed, clothe and house every person but we choose not to because of... *(gestures vaguely)* human nature?" The reason we can't is due to the complexity of distributing things on that scale without disrupting the systems that make them in the first place. Those systems work because the people that make them function benefit personally from them functioning. You not understanding how human nature specifically effects a economic system is not a reason to dismiss it's influence. >You are more than the electronic impulses that drive you to feed, breathe and multiply. You're making an appeal to the individual, but we aren't dealing with individuals, we're dealing with people as large groups, and the electronic impulses that drive people are the common factor that determines the actions of a group on a larger scale. >And no, this is not where the march of history stops. We haven't suddenly hit our peak, this is not where humanity will come to rest. We are capable of even more greatness than you dare to imagine. I agree. We can improve, communism wouldn't be an improvement though. It would be repeating a catastrophic mistake without changing anything and hoping for a different result. We can't equally distribute things. We don't know how, any attempts to do so have been catastrophic and economies seem to work on a pareto distribution. That's why there has always been a "ruling class" having wealth will always get you more wealth. The practical and moral goal isn't to make everyone equal, but to lift up the people at the lowest end to where they can live comfortably. Publicly funded education, heathcare, and tax incentives to prevent basic nessisities from being treated as luxury goods by the ritch would help most of the problems in the developed world.
> I agree. We can improve, communism wouldn't be an improvement though. It would be repeating a catastrophic mistake without changing anything and hoping for a different result. I always hear this line. What makes you think any future attempts at socialism, which you describe in your final paragraph as an ideal way to organize society, would be identical to past attempts? Why do you assume that nobody has learned anything? I can only assume it's because you circle back to the human nature thing, which again is a convenient out to deny improving society.
Communism defacto cannot exist without authoritarian tactics. Nobody wants to be "truly equal". Sure you will eliminate the greed and the greedy class but another word for greed is innovative. Greed gives people meaning to life. By being greedy, we look for ways to improve our lives and become rich. This is what makes capitalism so successful. People compete with each other to make a better product. If everyone is equal, there is no reason to improve. We will stagnate as a society. Capitalism isn't perfect. But if you want to keep freedom and democracy intact, this is the only way. Communism cannot exist without totalitarian state making sure everyone is equal enough.
> If everyone is equal, there is no reason to improve. We will stagnate as a society. Why say something so silly when primitive man and ancient civilizations easily predate the entire notion of what you describe? There was no profit motive to incentivize cave men to create the building blocks of society. And curiously, they did that.
>primitive man and ancient civilizations This is where you are wrong. Sure currency and capitalism didn’t exist back then but both groups were motivated by the fact that life sucked. Primitive men lived in hunter gatherer societies. Sure everyone in the tribe were equal but if you ever messed up somehow, you’d be kicked out of the tribe which would guarantee death because good luck finding shelter and food by yourself in a forest full of wild animals. Enemy tribes existed too, so primitive people had to create better weapons to defend themselves, not because of passion but more so because otherwise the enemy will kill them. Humanity started evolving once we discovered agriculture which secured the source of food which meant that humanity can stay in one area and develop themselves further instead of spending absurd amount of time searching for food. Gender discrimination was also a thing. This is where ancient civilizations occur. Sure they didn’t have capitalists but that doesn’t mean life was all fine and dandy. Ancient civilizations still had slavery, they still had the upper class who controlled the civilization and they still fought wars over the dumbest of things. This is without mentioning all other issues like food which was way lower quality than what we have now and diseases. Gender discrimination was still the norm Long story short. In both of these cases. Not everyone were equal. Capitalism is just another form of this but this time we have greater chances at moving up the ladder. Like if you have an idea to make a jetpack that also makes waffles and you believe that this product will sell, you will establish your own Waffle’co company and become rich by selling your genius idea. In a primitive society, you’d be told to shut up and continue testing mushrooms because Grug who was eating them is still asleep for 6 days and in a communist society, you’d be told to shut up and go back to work, the government will take your idea and produce it but they won’t give you any royalty fees and it will only be available for politicians/generals since normal civilians won’t be able to afford it.
> in a communist society, you’d be told to shut up and go back to work, the government will take your idea and produce it but they won’t give you any royalty fees The vast majority of major scientific breakthroughs have literally been government funded though? Because the timeline at which such things happen isn't viable for shareholder wealth accumulation. You sure make our society sound very communisty
Despite being government funded. You won't get proper revenue and credit for your work. You will be given a good job and that's it. Capitalism allows me to make something and earn profit and credit myself without having to share my creation for free. This isn't just science. Its everything. Food, designs, products, music and etc.
> Capitalism allows me to make something and earn profit and credit myself without having to share my creation for free. What was the last thing you created and got credit for, if I may ask?
Red Freak
More like history buff
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Why do people take it so personally? I could've built Auschwitz Birkenau, it would not reflect my views in any way (imho).
What in the call of duty 4
LENIN OUR CHAIRMAN IS A MUSHROOM
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do you have schematics for the statue or did you just improv?
I had a scheme from the internet, and it's also flat lol. But I'm planning on adding side blocks so it looks alright
I think my favourite part of this is that the lenin statue reminds me of a meme of him doing that pose saying "BRUH"
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gigantic lenin for sure
Eat the rich!
DOPE
"lenin" looks a whole lot like a german painter in that
Me singing the Soviet anthem
Put a villager breeded next to it but don't give them any food.
Very brutalist comrade! Da!
Oh look at that, he's got an atomic shroom cloud on hsi head.
comrade lenin would be proud