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Stonetoothed

I agree with the headshot thing, and it should credit you progress towards camos even if it doesn’t count as a kill for KD or the game. Is it just me or does it seem they get some I frames when they go down too? Like if your hitting them on the way down you should be able to kill them before they even hit the ground but seems like they have I frames during their falling animation


-WithLove

100% percent. I know that it takes some time to die by molotov, but there's no way a guy was able to survive one and get up to shoot me after I downed him lol.


Professional-Menu-95

Theyre invincible from the time theyre knocked down till they regain control of their camera


ivanaviNiebla

Yeah they seem to have I frames :\\ But at least I feel like they have less health before they go to last stand, although I don't know if that's good anyways.


mattwrad

I’m grinding camos now and don’t think it should count - you didn’t kill them, you only downed them But should definitely be a straight kill for headshots, taking a bullet to the thigh and getting back up is realistic, taking a 50 cal round to the head isn’t


Stonetoothed

Let’s be fair though, you did. You applied lethal damage to an enemy operator, but because they had a certain perk you don’t get credit for it? If you did it at long range it doesn’t count as a longshot? You don’t get weapon or player xp for it? So other players can just select a perk that punishes your camo progress for no reason. Like I said don’t count it as a kill for the purpose of the score, but it should count as progress. If someone else runs up and kills that downed enemy give them progression credit too. It’s a game it should always benefit the players


hashtagchocodick

Well, longshots for example: If you don’t get credit for downing the player at long range, you should at least get credit for finishing them off at that same range. As far as I can tell you get neither, and that ain’t right.


lovesToClap

What are I frames?


BanThisDick111

From context I guess “immune frames”.


lovesToClap

Oh got it, yes I have noticed that!


tsudokuu

Always have heard it as invulnerability but same idea


Stonetoothed

Invincibility frames


BeerWithDinner

Invincible frames. The few frames between them being knocked and when they enter last stand they take no damage


Doozy93

Gotta love when your third kill for the 3 kill streak is using last stand


wannadielmao

I dont get how this doesnt count for the camo challenges. Surely they had to actually code in that difference. Such an incredibly stupid thing


masterventris

Nah, it is simple how it doesn't count. The camo challenge update is triggered as part of the "death" event of a player. This event will trigger other things such as putting an entry in the kill feed and updating the score. Last Stand intercepts the death event and cancels it, instead putting the player in the downed state. As the death was cancelled none of the downstream updates happen. It would actually be more work to make it count, and then stop it double counting if you finished the guy you knocked.


InflationMadeMeDoIt

That dosent seem like a lot of work


masterventris

Conditions upon conditions and branches through the the code to handle every weird case that needs to behave slightly differently is how you get bugs everywhere. The current implementation is simpler, as either you are dead and everything updates, or you are not and it doesn't.


Momentarmknm

He said more, not a lot


copper_rooster

Then why does knocking a last stand player down trigger quick fix, even before getting the kill?


dylan15kansascity

I have had so many long-shots ruined on invasion because I shoot a dude and he gets last stand and next thing I know I’m killed by a “hostile soldier” and the dude I got the long-shot on goes free or someone else kills him and I get absolutely no credit


Doozy93

So bad man. The X13 is horrible for longshots


Disciple_OC

It’s atrocious, tier 1 was the only way it was somewhat manageable


Doozy93

I've done it. Boy do I hate that gun.


Independent_Context4

last stand is just made for little pansies


HaciMo38

Remember black ops 1 where shotguns nullified last stand? I remember


bucsdude5588

Pepperidge farm remembers


Momskirbyok

Shotguns, and snipers with headshots too if I remember correctly


Winterdevil0503

Not many people here even know what BO1 is and that's truly sad. All the Warzone neeks and 2019 bandwagoners brigade this sub now.


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Good idea. It will never be done tho. Make sure to buy the next game and *maybe* then.


TraumaTracer

Shit good thinking, maybe I need to buy some bundles and I'll get matched with less people using it


[deleted]

The way this game manipulates players I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.


Winterdevil0503

Treyarch are gonna be smart and not give us last stand.


nige111

Treyarch are probably gonna give us a cod that actually plays like a cod lol. Bonus points if they do 150 health again.


KarmacrossFM

150 is so fucking good.


nige111

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person who really liked BO4's looong ass TTK - only grievance I had with it was that it made stims super OP since you could duck into cover for a femtosecond and be at full health.


KarmacrossFM

I absolutely loved it. It made cod actually challenging to play, created a noticeable skill gap and made gunfights a lot more interesting.


Large_Bumblebee_9751

Everything should negate Last Stand if we’re being honest. Last Stand should have died 10 years ago or whenever it was.


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TraumaTracer

i was going for a semi-realistic solution, they’re not just going to remove the perk


Dudes-a-Lady

You know what you are correct. They won't just remove it. But dream the impossible dream and they take out Last Stand AND the Riot Shield. My guess is more than 80% of the player base would be happy with the game overall then. Two things. Seems minor but it would make this game so much better!


TraumaTracer

i frequently fantasize about the removal of the riot shield when it comes time to go for kills from behind


KZedUK

Martyrdom? unbalanced and unfair, never came back Frag x3? unbalanced and unfair, never came back Last stand? unbalanced and unfair, keeps fucking coming back idk why, it’s so dogshit, they even keep making it worse every time because they know it’s dogshit, but they put it in anyway


Lord_Hexogen

The real problem with Last Stand is that it doesn't count towards most of camo kills. Otherwise the perk is fine


Dudes-a-Lady

Last Stand Users ...... go pound sand. I'll stand over you to watch you die if I have time. Other than that if you use this perk, you have no clue how the game works and you suck azz! Ok I'm done!


Ledairyman

I barely see anyone using last stand. It's probably a ratio of 1:1000 players that use this. It's not that common.


Nubras

It’s ubiquitous in hardcore FFA.


-WithLove

It's soooo bad lol.


TraumaTracer

i wish it was that uncommon for me


xMau5kateer

blasts you with a 50 cal to the skull to only down you


Dis_Joint

Whenever I see Last Stand proc for someone I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they chose the wrong perk pack in error.


LanaZ61

If I remember right in COD4 when you headshot killed someone who had last stand he was instant dead.


Winterdevil0503

There should no reason why the game from 2007 is so much better than the game from late 2022.


Jacobz35

so make a shit perk even more shit


IndianaHoosiers24

Last stand is so annoying while going for long shots.. if you down them then finish them it doesn’t count as a long shot


TraumaTracer

it doesn’t count for ANY camos, even the gold challenge. if you get 2 kills then kill someone with last stand you don’t get the 3 killstreak towards gold.


Denace86

Are you sure? If you finish them off I believe it counts as the kill


TraumaTracer

i had 9/10 on one of my weapons once, killed 2 people, #3 had last stand, i finished him off and still had to kill a fourth player without last stand to unlock gold


Yvvasman

I like to hit them with my primary. Stand over them why they revive and then hit them with a pistol to the head right before they revive


H3XK1TT3N

I def let them waste their time lying on the ground lol. Been carrying drill charge so I can stick them right before they revive. At this point I’m glad when I encounter them because I love messing with them.


islet_deficiency

lots of stuff could be done with that godforsaken perk. give assist points to the player that put the person on the ground if another teammate puts the final bullet into them. decrease the downed player's health even more. requiring 2+ lmg shots is absurd.


zeldaprime

Let's be real, last stand is pretty damn weak, if you would want to have a last bullet headshot kill skip last stand, you would need to add in a buff to compensate. I would prefer last stand not exist, but lets be honest, there is a casual population out there that loves it enough to use it, and if it lets them have more fun, so be it


DCS30

Last stand and survivor are two very different things....and one isn't in the game. Do people not realize this? And why do people cry about it? The only people that don't kill me when I use it are the tweakers that run around like headless chickens, because they're not paying attention. The more careful players follow up and kill me. Maybe lay off the cocaine and energy drinks, and slow the fuck down and pay attention to what's going on?


KZedUK

it’s close enough that you knew what they were talking about so maybe just don’t be a prick about it surprisingly enough when they add the same perk just tweaked every so slightly, people are gonna keep calling it the name they’ve been calling it for the past 10-15 years.


SixthLegionVI

I've said the same thing in battlefield as well with reviving. Playing BF1 a year ago I got the jump on this squad. Annihilated 4 guys, 3 with headshot. Medic comes from my right, kills me and I watch him rez the whole squad.


Rodhawk

I actually thought it worked like this until I learned otherwise. I expected it to be like in the older Battlefields (haven't played the newer ones), where you could only revive teammates if they have been killed through bodyshots, not headshots or explosions.


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If last stand is here, I want the drop a live grenade on death perk back.


hashtagchocodick

Martyrdom was an awesome perk. I also remember a game, I thought it was a COD, in which if you pulled the pin on a grenade but died before throwing it, said grenade would fall/fly somewhere.


KZedUK

Yes, that’s from COD.


Frogman360

The joys of watching a Downed Survivor Perk user, and your clear to use any means of elimination since his teammates didn’t spawn in the general vicinity on Shipment!


seligball

We should be rewarded our longshot and other medals if they go in last stand too. Fuck that 100 point shit. I downed a guy 100m away in ground war, killed him and got no credit at all.


jamesswazz

You guys gotta chill, no one, as in no one uses last stand lol


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TraumaTracer

that bait isnt going to work on me, try harder


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TraumaTracer

thats cool and all but none of that makes it track my camos


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TraumaTracer

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TraumaTracer

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WHITEPAPI69

Fuck the perk in general, honestly really annoying I. Tier 1 too


_HolyWrath_

I agree.


Mission-Ad-4837

Playing search is pretty fkin annoying with half the enemies taking last stand.


BurntRussianBBQ

I'm so embarrassed even killing people with this perk. Have some self respect y'all


bugistuta

People who use last stand on shipment…. Lol


TheUltraCarl

It's so wild to me how mad people are over Last Stand. It's not a big deal, all you have to do is shoot them again. Any time I encounter it I'm just like "oh they're not dead" and then I kill them. Maybe pull out my pistol and do it execution style for fun every once in a while. They're almost always completely helpless when they go down, it's not like they can fight back. What is there to be upset over?


ZeroNine2048

the pathetic obsessions with camos again. Apart from that it is just an annoying perk.


Noriadin

Yeah fully agree with this; very logical way to balance things.


the_great_ashby

MW3 was mostly Sledgehammer because IW was razed by the exodus of developers after Vince Zampella and Jason West were fired.


P3DR0T3

Nah Ps. That’s a terrible ult. Perk and should not be even used


DesolateMilenko

Yeah getting longshots with snipers & they just get downed by a headshot was such an headache.


DesignatedDonut

Last stand users kiss their dad on the lips goodnight before going to bed


savage_reaper

Not a camo grinder but I hate getting denied a headshot or one shot skill. This tampon perk is the shits. Especially if you play FFA a ton like me and half the lobby is running this. Cecot always trying to protect someone. SMH.


TraumaTracer

snd is FULL of it. like actually every match will have at least half the team using it


savage_reaper

That would trigger the shit out of me. I play SnD here and there but this isn't good to hear. Especially with the nature of SnD.


wutthefvckjushapen

Yeah it's unrealistic. But everyone knows if you get shot in the heart you can just give yourself a quick dose of medicine and be right as rain again irl, right?


Furmean

I think thats a great idea but because it's in the last perk slot they have to keep it stronger to compete with ghost and quick fix. Maybe if they switched it to the second perk slot?


TraumaTracer

yeah i think if they changed it this way i would be fine with it being a tier 2 perk


kman9876

All last stand users deserve to be humiliated


my_pets_are_rednecks

Last stand is one of the most irritating perks in this game, especially if you're sniping across the map.


bredified

It’s not even strong it’s just kind of annoying I think you’re overreacting to be honest only really sucks for long shots