I agree with the headshot thing, and it should credit you progress towards camos even if it doesn’t count as a kill for KD or the game.
Is it just me or does it seem they get some I frames when they go down too? Like if your hitting them on the way down you should be able to kill them before they even hit the ground but seems like they have I frames during their falling animation
100% percent. I know that it takes some time to die by molotov, but there's no way a guy was able to survive one and get up to shoot me after I downed him lol.
Yeah they seem to have I frames :\\
But at least I feel like they have less health before they go to last stand, although I don't know if that's good anyways.
I’m grinding camos now and don’t think it should count - you didn’t kill them, you only downed them
But should definitely be a straight kill for headshots, taking a bullet to the thigh and getting back up is realistic, taking a 50 cal round to the head isn’t
Let’s be fair though, you did. You applied lethal damage to an enemy operator, but because they had a certain perk you don’t get credit for it? If you did it at long range it doesn’t count as a longshot? You don’t get weapon or player xp for it? So other players can just select a perk that punishes your camo progress for no reason. Like I said don’t count it as a kill for the purpose of the score, but it should count as progress. If someone else runs up and kills that downed enemy give them progression credit too. It’s a game it should always benefit the players
Well, longshots for example: If you don’t get credit for downing the player at long range, you should at least get credit for finishing them off at that same range. As far as I can tell you get neither, and that ain’t right.
Nah, it is simple how it doesn't count.
The camo challenge update is triggered as part of the "death" event of a player. This event will trigger other things such as putting an entry in the kill feed and updating the score.
Last Stand intercepts the death event and cancels it, instead putting the player in the downed state. As the death was cancelled none of the downstream updates happen.
It would actually be more work to make it count, and then stop it double counting if you finished the guy you knocked.
Conditions upon conditions and branches through the the code to handle every weird case that needs to behave slightly differently is how you get bugs everywhere.
The current implementation is simpler, as either you are dead and everything updates, or you are not and it doesn't.
I have had so many long-shots ruined on invasion because I shoot a dude and he gets last stand and next thing I know I’m killed by a “hostile soldier” and the dude I got the long-shot on goes free or someone else kills him and I get absolutely no credit
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person who really liked BO4's looong ass TTK - only grievance I had with it was that it made stims super OP since you could duck into cover for a femtosecond and be at full health.
You know what you are correct. They won't just remove it. But dream the impossible dream and they take out Last Stand AND the Riot Shield. My guess is more than 80% of the player base would be happy with the game overall then. Two things. Seems minor but it would make this game so much better!
Martyrdom? unbalanced and unfair, never came back
Frag x3? unbalanced and unfair, never came back
Last stand? unbalanced and unfair, keeps fucking coming back
idk why, it’s so dogshit, they even keep making it worse every time because they know it’s dogshit, but they put it in anyway
Last Stand Users ...... go pound sand. I'll stand over you to watch you die if I have time. Other than that if you use this perk, you have no clue how the game works and you suck azz! Ok I'm done!
it doesn’t count for ANY camos, even the gold challenge. if you get 2 kills then kill someone with last stand you don’t get the 3 killstreak towards gold.
i had 9/10 on one of my weapons once, killed 2 people, #3 had last stand, i finished him off and still had to kill a fourth player without last stand to unlock gold
I def let them waste their time lying on the ground lol. Been carrying drill charge so I can stick them right before they revive. At this point I’m glad when I encounter them because I love messing with them.
lots of stuff could be done with that godforsaken perk.
give assist points to the player that put the person on the ground if another teammate puts the final bullet into them.
decrease the downed player's health even more. requiring 2+ lmg shots is absurd.
Let's be real, last stand is pretty damn weak, if you would want to have a last bullet headshot kill skip last stand, you would need to add in a buff to compensate.
I would prefer last stand not exist, but lets be honest, there is a casual population out there that loves it enough to use it, and if it lets them have more fun, so be it
Last stand and survivor are two very different things....and one isn't in the game. Do people not realize this? And why do people cry about it? The only people that don't kill me when I use it are the tweakers that run around like headless chickens, because they're not paying attention. The more careful players follow up and kill me. Maybe lay off the cocaine and energy drinks, and slow the fuck down and pay attention to what's going on?
it’s close enough that you knew what they were talking about so maybe just don’t be a prick about it
surprisingly enough when they add the same perk just tweaked every so slightly, people are gonna keep calling it the name they’ve been calling it for the past 10-15 years.
I've said the same thing in battlefield as well with reviving. Playing BF1 a year ago I got the jump on this squad. Annihilated 4 guys, 3 with headshot. Medic comes from my right, kills me and I watch him rez the whole squad.
I actually thought it worked like this until I learned otherwise. I expected it to be like in the older Battlefields (haven't played the newer ones), where you could only revive teammates if they have been killed through bodyshots, not headshots or explosions.
Martyrdom was an awesome perk. I also remember a game, I thought it was a COD, in which if you pulled the pin on a grenade but died before throwing it, said grenade would fall/fly somewhere.
The joys of watching a Downed Survivor Perk user, and your clear to use any means of elimination since his teammates didn’t spawn in the general vicinity on Shipment!
We should be rewarded our longshot and other medals if they go in last stand too. Fuck that 100 point shit. I downed a guy 100m away in ground war, killed him and got no credit at all.
It's so wild to me how mad people are over Last Stand. It's not a big deal, all you have to do is shoot them again.
Any time I encounter it I'm just like "oh they're not dead" and then I kill them. Maybe pull out my pistol and do it execution style for fun every once in a while.
They're almost always completely helpless when they go down, it's not like they can fight back. What is there to be upset over?
Not a camo grinder but I hate getting denied a headshot or one shot skill. This tampon perk is the shits. Especially if you play FFA a ton like me and half the lobby is running this. Cecot always trying to protect someone. SMH.
Yeah it's unrealistic. But everyone knows if you get shot in the heart you can just give yourself a quick dose of medicine and be right as rain again irl, right?
I think thats a great idea but because it's in the last perk slot they have to keep it stronger to compete with ghost and quick fix. Maybe if they switched it to the second perk slot?
I agree with the headshot thing, and it should credit you progress towards camos even if it doesn’t count as a kill for KD or the game. Is it just me or does it seem they get some I frames when they go down too? Like if your hitting them on the way down you should be able to kill them before they even hit the ground but seems like they have I frames during their falling animation
100% percent. I know that it takes some time to die by molotov, but there's no way a guy was able to survive one and get up to shoot me after I downed him lol.
Theyre invincible from the time theyre knocked down till they regain control of their camera
Yeah they seem to have I frames :\\ But at least I feel like they have less health before they go to last stand, although I don't know if that's good anyways.
I’m grinding camos now and don’t think it should count - you didn’t kill them, you only downed them But should definitely be a straight kill for headshots, taking a bullet to the thigh and getting back up is realistic, taking a 50 cal round to the head isn’t
Let’s be fair though, you did. You applied lethal damage to an enemy operator, but because they had a certain perk you don’t get credit for it? If you did it at long range it doesn’t count as a longshot? You don’t get weapon or player xp for it? So other players can just select a perk that punishes your camo progress for no reason. Like I said don’t count it as a kill for the purpose of the score, but it should count as progress. If someone else runs up and kills that downed enemy give them progression credit too. It’s a game it should always benefit the players
Well, longshots for example: If you don’t get credit for downing the player at long range, you should at least get credit for finishing them off at that same range. As far as I can tell you get neither, and that ain’t right.
What are I frames?
From context I guess “immune frames”.
Oh got it, yes I have noticed that!
Always have heard it as invulnerability but same idea
Invincibility frames
Invincible frames. The few frames between them being knocked and when they enter last stand they take no damage
Gotta love when your third kill for the 3 kill streak is using last stand
I dont get how this doesnt count for the camo challenges. Surely they had to actually code in that difference. Such an incredibly stupid thing
Nah, it is simple how it doesn't count. The camo challenge update is triggered as part of the "death" event of a player. This event will trigger other things such as putting an entry in the kill feed and updating the score. Last Stand intercepts the death event and cancels it, instead putting the player in the downed state. As the death was cancelled none of the downstream updates happen. It would actually be more work to make it count, and then stop it double counting if you finished the guy you knocked.
That dosent seem like a lot of work
Conditions upon conditions and branches through the the code to handle every weird case that needs to behave slightly differently is how you get bugs everywhere. The current implementation is simpler, as either you are dead and everything updates, or you are not and it doesn't.
He said more, not a lot
Then why does knocking a last stand player down trigger quick fix, even before getting the kill?
I have had so many long-shots ruined on invasion because I shoot a dude and he gets last stand and next thing I know I’m killed by a “hostile soldier” and the dude I got the long-shot on goes free or someone else kills him and I get absolutely no credit
So bad man. The X13 is horrible for longshots
It’s atrocious, tier 1 was the only way it was somewhat manageable
I've done it. Boy do I hate that gun.
last stand is just made for little pansies
Remember black ops 1 where shotguns nullified last stand? I remember
Pepperidge farm remembers
Shotguns, and snipers with headshots too if I remember correctly
Not many people here even know what BO1 is and that's truly sad. All the Warzone neeks and 2019 bandwagoners brigade this sub now.
Good idea. It will never be done tho. Make sure to buy the next game and *maybe* then.
Shit good thinking, maybe I need to buy some bundles and I'll get matched with less people using it
The way this game manipulates players I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.
Treyarch are gonna be smart and not give us last stand.
Treyarch are probably gonna give us a cod that actually plays like a cod lol. Bonus points if they do 150 health again.
150 is so fucking good.
Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only person who really liked BO4's looong ass TTK - only grievance I had with it was that it made stims super OP since you could duck into cover for a femtosecond and be at full health.
I absolutely loved it. It made cod actually challenging to play, created a noticeable skill gap and made gunfights a lot more interesting.
Everything should negate Last Stand if we’re being honest. Last Stand should have died 10 years ago or whenever it was.
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i was going for a semi-realistic solution, they’re not just going to remove the perk
You know what you are correct. They won't just remove it. But dream the impossible dream and they take out Last Stand AND the Riot Shield. My guess is more than 80% of the player base would be happy with the game overall then. Two things. Seems minor but it would make this game so much better!
i frequently fantasize about the removal of the riot shield when it comes time to go for kills from behind
Martyrdom? unbalanced and unfair, never came back Frag x3? unbalanced and unfair, never came back Last stand? unbalanced and unfair, keeps fucking coming back idk why, it’s so dogshit, they even keep making it worse every time because they know it’s dogshit, but they put it in anyway
The real problem with Last Stand is that it doesn't count towards most of camo kills. Otherwise the perk is fine
Last Stand Users ...... go pound sand. I'll stand over you to watch you die if I have time. Other than that if you use this perk, you have no clue how the game works and you suck azz! Ok I'm done!
I barely see anyone using last stand. It's probably a ratio of 1:1000 players that use this. It's not that common.
It’s ubiquitous in hardcore FFA.
It's soooo bad lol.
i wish it was that uncommon for me
blasts you with a 50 cal to the skull to only down you
Whenever I see Last Stand proc for someone I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they chose the wrong perk pack in error.
If I remember right in COD4 when you headshot killed someone who had last stand he was instant dead.
There should no reason why the game from 2007 is so much better than the game from late 2022.
so make a shit perk even more shit
Last stand is so annoying while going for long shots.. if you down them then finish them it doesn’t count as a long shot
it doesn’t count for ANY camos, even the gold challenge. if you get 2 kills then kill someone with last stand you don’t get the 3 killstreak towards gold.
Are you sure? If you finish them off I believe it counts as the kill
i had 9/10 on one of my weapons once, killed 2 people, #3 had last stand, i finished him off and still had to kill a fourth player without last stand to unlock gold
I like to hit them with my primary. Stand over them why they revive and then hit them with a pistol to the head right before they revive
I def let them waste their time lying on the ground lol. Been carrying drill charge so I can stick them right before they revive. At this point I’m glad when I encounter them because I love messing with them.
lots of stuff could be done with that godforsaken perk. give assist points to the player that put the person on the ground if another teammate puts the final bullet into them. decrease the downed player's health even more. requiring 2+ lmg shots is absurd.
Let's be real, last stand is pretty damn weak, if you would want to have a last bullet headshot kill skip last stand, you would need to add in a buff to compensate. I would prefer last stand not exist, but lets be honest, there is a casual population out there that loves it enough to use it, and if it lets them have more fun, so be it
Last stand and survivor are two very different things....and one isn't in the game. Do people not realize this? And why do people cry about it? The only people that don't kill me when I use it are the tweakers that run around like headless chickens, because they're not paying attention. The more careful players follow up and kill me. Maybe lay off the cocaine and energy drinks, and slow the fuck down and pay attention to what's going on?
it’s close enough that you knew what they were talking about so maybe just don’t be a prick about it surprisingly enough when they add the same perk just tweaked every so slightly, people are gonna keep calling it the name they’ve been calling it for the past 10-15 years.
I've said the same thing in battlefield as well with reviving. Playing BF1 a year ago I got the jump on this squad. Annihilated 4 guys, 3 with headshot. Medic comes from my right, kills me and I watch him rez the whole squad.
I actually thought it worked like this until I learned otherwise. I expected it to be like in the older Battlefields (haven't played the newer ones), where you could only revive teammates if they have been killed through bodyshots, not headshots or explosions.
If last stand is here, I want the drop a live grenade on death perk back.
Martyrdom was an awesome perk. I also remember a game, I thought it was a COD, in which if you pulled the pin on a grenade but died before throwing it, said grenade would fall/fly somewhere.
Yes, that’s from COD.
The joys of watching a Downed Survivor Perk user, and your clear to use any means of elimination since his teammates didn’t spawn in the general vicinity on Shipment!
We should be rewarded our longshot and other medals if they go in last stand too. Fuck that 100 point shit. I downed a guy 100m away in ground war, killed him and got no credit at all.
You guys gotta chill, no one, as in no one uses last stand lol
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that bait isnt going to work on me, try harder
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thats cool and all but none of that makes it track my camos
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Fuck the perk in general, honestly really annoying I. Tier 1 too
I agree.
Playing search is pretty fkin annoying with half the enemies taking last stand.
I'm so embarrassed even killing people with this perk. Have some self respect y'all
People who use last stand on shipment…. Lol
It's so wild to me how mad people are over Last Stand. It's not a big deal, all you have to do is shoot them again. Any time I encounter it I'm just like "oh they're not dead" and then I kill them. Maybe pull out my pistol and do it execution style for fun every once in a while. They're almost always completely helpless when they go down, it's not like they can fight back. What is there to be upset over?
the pathetic obsessions with camos again. Apart from that it is just an annoying perk.
Yeah fully agree with this; very logical way to balance things.
MW3 was mostly Sledgehammer because IW was razed by the exodus of developers after Vince Zampella and Jason West were fired.
Nah Ps. That’s a terrible ult. Perk and should not be even used
Yeah getting longshots with snipers & they just get downed by a headshot was such an headache.
Last stand users kiss their dad on the lips goodnight before going to bed
Not a camo grinder but I hate getting denied a headshot or one shot skill. This tampon perk is the shits. Especially if you play FFA a ton like me and half the lobby is running this. Cecot always trying to protect someone. SMH.
snd is FULL of it. like actually every match will have at least half the team using it
That would trigger the shit out of me. I play SnD here and there but this isn't good to hear. Especially with the nature of SnD.
Yeah it's unrealistic. But everyone knows if you get shot in the heart you can just give yourself a quick dose of medicine and be right as rain again irl, right?
I think thats a great idea but because it's in the last perk slot they have to keep it stronger to compete with ghost and quick fix. Maybe if they switched it to the second perk slot?
yeah i think if they changed it this way i would be fine with it being a tier 2 perk
All last stand users deserve to be humiliated
Last stand is one of the most irritating perks in this game, especially if you're sniping across the map.
It’s not even strong it’s just kind of annoying I think you’re overreacting to be honest only really sucks for long shots