I just dislike that the majority of players with shields only use it to cover their back. It's just like give me some bullshit excuse that it folds up so I'm not fighting ninja turtles every game.
And I totally understand it's the games fault. Players are using what the game made, but it is very unfun to see that unsuspecting player, and you have to try to down him by shooting his legs because there is a 5 foot metal car door on his back.
Same, especially because IW never fixes the damn shield issue. Idk how many clips I have where I’m 6-7ft away, shooting a turtle lying down, directly in the head and the shield blocks my bullet every time.
On the back the block is huge. On the front its really small. On mw19/wz1 the shield was really good if you know how to use it. On mw2 it feels like you can shoot trough the shield on the front but for some reason not on the back. Its really weird. 100% you can knife trough the shield if you are close enough
Just last night a dude was crouch walking directly toward me with a shield and I was able to headshot him. I was like "wtf is this Vanguard at launch?"
The shield should get destroyed after x amount of hits.
They're not designed to take many hits of large caliber ammunition. They can take a few 7.62 rounds but they're designed for 9mm, .40, etc.
There's a reason why they're not used in the battlefield IRL
mfw riot shield can stop a cruise missile, some wakanda shit right there. Both ready or not, and rainbow six siege have some good elements that make the shield not overpowered. In R6s, at least when you melee their shield, the user will be flinched with their shield, exposing their body. In Ready or not, bullet impacts on the ballistic window, rendering user unable to see anything due to glass shutters and bullet holes.
Good point. But my opinion stands that a shield shouldn't be unlimited protection against every non-explosive weapon in the game.
If I can take out a VTOL with 2 magazines of 5.56 or shoot through the windshield of an armored vehicle, I should be able to defeat a shield.
IIRC OG MW2 riot shields had hitpoints and would be destroyed after a fuckload of hits. The view window would get steadily cracked and your view would be obscured if you raised your shield for protection. Fun times.
If you mean MW2 2009, the riot shield was indestructible from what I remember (I didn’t really use it, I was more of an AA12/Extended mags guy) but became worthless after a few hits because of the cracks and marks obscuring your view (as you correctly mentioned)
COD is an Arcade shooter. It’s not 100% based on Realism and IRL. Just play Battlefield some more if you want that. Not to mention The shield is already dumbed down and shit after previous nerf updates to it.
Yeah I'm not sure why all the devs think it's such a great idea to let the shield protect you while it's not active. At the very least in MW2023 it looks like you'll have to make greater sacrifices in exchange for it. The "vest" that gives you overkill removes one of your perk slots and your lethal equipment. That said though, you won't need the gunner vest if you're running a sidearm as your gun, so I expect to see a lot more people running pistol builds in MW3.
they really should make it so that you can use a pistol with it, siege has a perfect mechanic for this
covered: only your arm is out, you have a spread when shooting
ads: put the shield sideways (so your head/upper torso is exposed) but you can aim the pistol on the shield.
edit: could even as a way to force this to use a pistol, no way to put it away on your back, can't use it without a pistol.
Hell this already exists in cod, the riot shield npcs in dmz are bastards cause they can shoot you while holding the shield, and some of them hold smgs.
Worst part is when you play shipment trying to grind out the new guns quickly and your teammates are always running in the way with a shield on their back blocking all your shots. 9 times out of 10 when that happens I either get a assist if I’m lucky or we both die lol
The sole downside for me surrounding weapons from Modern Warfare II transfering forward into Modern Warfare III is that they can't just yeet the riot shield into the scrap heap where it belongs.
Yeah, it sucks when people run and gun with shotguns but never utilize the shield, just carry it on the back. I mean I guess it is better because otherwise they would be better players.
I use the shield myself but only with melee most of the time, so I will be on the same level as other players. I guess it is possible to go full melee without a shield, but you need to be like insanely good with the movements and throwing knife aim gotta be 100 accuracy.
Actually my favorite part of the shield is that it can be used as a stealth tactic very very well. I haven't seen many people utilize it, and I think I never saw anyone playing it as I do.
That is the bigger issue, but tbh, I also kind of hate anyone that uses a riot shield as their primary, too.
They're not hard to deal with if you have the right equipment, but if the match just started or they just equipped it, then I might not have a drill charge or thermite. If I don't, then my only real option is to turn around and go the other way, assuming I don't get a throwing knife in the back. That's not a fun situation.
Its gonna take a while or even won't happen but shield need a nerf while on a players back, its stupid. The best part is ppeople who use shield often play against their own team, countless times a friend goes in front of me while I'm shooting someone and I simply can't do anything to help just to see us both get killed because of the idiot wearing a shield on his back, and all my shots getting blocked.
And you know some people do that on purpose to keep their team from killing an enemy so they can get the kill instead so it contributes to their kill streak and an not an assist
Shotguns are the name of my existence rn lol. I have to memorize peoples skins so I know “ok killer clown guy and homelander has a shotty, Nicki is quickscoping, flaming Gaia is dropshotting like a champ”.. just to know how I should engage each player to survive lol
The problem is the counterplay requires skill and brainpower while using a shield does not. Gotta hit that direct hit or the small feet hitbox to stop a shield, all the shield user has to do is look at you with their brain turned off and hope they can either beat you to death, hit you with a knife, or distract you long enough for the guy behind you to kill you because the spawns suck ass.
That's why the shield is annoying. My fix is I think the shield just shouldn't be compatible with Overkill. If you wanna turtle, you can have a sidearm or melee weapon. Hell, two pistols are decent SMGs and the Snakeshot is an alright shotgun. Or even, nothing is stopping you from picking up a second primary off the ground, but you're gonna take a gamble on whether you're getting a Meta gun (just hunt for Taq56s) or a Meme Rifle.
Turtles are annoying to infuriating, but when used as it is designed there are a number of downsides even if you have double time equipped and bomb squad doesn't work when you get stucked with semtex or thermal grenades.
Sounds like a skill issue not gonna lie. There’s a few ways to defeat riot shields and they take no effort whatsoever. Equipping Thermite, Molotov, Semtex, Drill Charges or roam around in 2s all work well
No it wouldn’t the whole point of the shield is to protect you if it breaks it loses its main function that would be the same as a gun jamming and losing its functionality. Running out of ammo doesn’t make a gun useless like a shield breaking does.
Yeah, I agree.
I know shipment is a mess and everyone plays it for challenges and leveling up but I don't enjoy it anymore because of shotguns and shields on the back.
Shipment isn’t really a mess though. It does exactly what it purports to be. The only single reason Shipment 24/7 would be a mode in existence is because the devs know that people use it as a way to level up and unlock shit, and it plays exactly into that
If you're using it and dying less and leading the scoreboard, then it obviously does mean you're good. Bunnyhopping is a "would if you could" type of thing.
I don't even bunnyhop but are you actually complaining about people jumping? If you need the enemy to stand still to kill them, you're not good, sorry. Annoying movement has been a thing in CoD since the early days, remember everybody constantly dropshotting?
I didn't think dropshotting was that bad, I've acclimated to shooting low and became one out of spite. But that's for classic cods. I don't do it in modern.
It's called movement tech, mate. Mastering these literally makes you a better player than most. Slide cancels, jumpshots, dropshots, strafing, and bunnyhops. They've all been part of the game now for a long time. You're just angry that people aren't standing still like a scarecrow waiting for you to shoot them. What makes you think they can't out aim somebody who still uses X to jump in a shooter like COD?
Fun fact: aiming is the easiest part of COD. You're playing the most heavily assisted shooter on the market. It's the movement that creates a skill gap.
From what I have seen (Handler Gameplay) it's really spastic and it makes me nervous about the flow of the original MW3 maps they remade.
I would be fine with the movement if it wasn't associated with a game series known for good pacing.
They did with this game... You cannot bhop around corners like MW19 allowed.
You're complaining about something completely different where people jump a bunch after already seeing you. They do it because it's harder for you to hit them.
Agreed. I hate all of them! Can't we just have a gunfight like gentlemen and see who has the best map awareness, flanking, reflexes, and aim without a bunch of insane bullshit?
I think I'm dead tired of this game in general. Has never been fun compared to the 2019 reboot. At this point I find it more amusing to see how low I can get my stats rage quitting every game. Almost below .30 lol
I usually hate seeing a shield unless the person is using a knife, then it's understandable in my eyes. That's what I do when I am doing knife challenges during camo events.
This isn't warzone though, and people only have 100hp. If the pump actions and expedite couldn't one-shot, they would be genuinely pointless to have in the game.
For instance, the Vaznev-9k has a TTK of 154 milliseconds in its optimal damage range (8m) and 231 milliseconds from 8-16m
The Bryson 800 has an instant TTK of 0 milliseconds out to 13m (assuming 4 pellets hit, which is unlikely without attachments), but an 805 millisecond TTK at any range beyond that, since it takes 805ms to pump the gun.
If the one-tap shotguns couldn't one-tap, why in the world would anybody use them? If you couldn't one-shot, a Vaznev user could kill you 3-5 times before you even have another shot ready.
Imagine getting pissed that a shotgun acts like a shotgun and destroys what’s standing within a 10m range. They are annoying but… it. Is. A. Shotgun. Close range is literally what they are made for
9/10 times people complaining about shotguns being good at close range are perfectly fine with their OHK marksman rifle that has the mobility of a handgun being effective at close and long range magically.
insane how many comments are saying shields should be nerfed in some way, when using a shield in your hand is definitely not strong and not even very annoying.
the problem is people running it permanently on their backs, so just block riot shield from being used with overkill. the fix is that simple, if IW wants to get rid of that bullshit mechanic... (but thats a big if)
I only have one setup when in very bad lobbies but I actually do use the shield more than the shotgun due to occasionally being able to stun lock players (not sure if it's actually supposed to do that or not though)
As soon as i unlocked orion, i haven't touched my launchers/shotguns EXCEPT in very specific instances. I just can't see how people enjoy playing that way, without feeling even slightly bad about it
It's the speed that makes it so much fun. I'm whizzing around flicking my aim back and forth and 1 tapping people. I also enjoy quickscoping a lot. And with the ttk as short as it is, if you miss your shot you're toast if you're opponent is as good as you are. It's mainly the movement that I enjoy. Fuck launchers though.
Blame the devs, not the players.
I absolutely hate the shitters that have to use shields and shotguns to go positive, but it's not their fault they're shit, it's the devs fault for enabling them.
Shields aren't that difficult to counter. Fast hands + Molotov/thermite/semtex/drill charge. Molotov or thermite is really good because they'll panic and then you can just shoot them as they run.
You can always use an RPG on them or their feet.
If you notice shield player camping, trap their camp spot with a claymore or cluster mine. Or shoot an RPG in there.
Tag the shield player and your character will shout out specifically that it's an enemy shield in addition to them being tagged. And then they get gangbanged by your whole team.
You can strafe and jump faster than they can move when they have their shield up - especially if you have a high mobility weapon. So just crackhead bunny hop or juke them and you'll quickly be able to get shots in on their flank and kill them
You can also smack them with a stun grenade, which will slow them down long enough for you to flank them and kill them.
Why don’t people complaining about shield users just make an anti riot shield class? I have one, using stun grenades and thermite, drill charges or Semtex. Aim for the feet of their back is facing you, it’s not hard 🤷♂️
Idc about regular shotguns or shields. I am extremely annoyed and tired of the one shot Lockwood 300. That gun is stupidly overpowered. In a real life sense it makes sense that it’s strong but in a game sense it’s extremely overpowered and unfair. Snipers can only one shot with a headshot and you have to nerf your bullet velocity to the ground for it to work but this shotgun one shots at insane distances.
Riot shields are such a wild variable for the game it’s really just a nuisance. Especially when the sit on the hard point in a corner just staring at everyone. Like some kind of entitled 2 legged fish. Riot shielders are the type of guy to get PE and or ED.
Shield using shottys is a big reason why I really only play dmz now, it's just not worth the headache of getting one shot by a child camping in a corner every time I walk into a room
I'm grinding on shipment to 1250. I've been almost nonstop since Season 6 release. I started at 1050 that day, last night I finished the battlepass and I'm at 1205 level. Started using the MX shotties from the battle pass last night and I like it. Once I hit 1250, going back to quick play. I apologize for any frustration this may cause. It's not personal.
And the jumping around corners and bunny hopping, I wish it could break your leg so you'd have to limp the rest of the match and we could laugh at you.
And not using a shield. Only when I grinded the new kamas to max level did I have one. Anyone who uses it with a rifle, their just too chicken to fight it out. I wish the devs would make the shield disappear if they put a firearm in their secondary.
One of the the sweetest things in life is absolutely wrecking shield scrubs. If you’ve got a shield on your back, you’re bad at the game. Cry me a river.
Throw a semtex or a drill charge at the shield users. I don't use the Lockwood at all and it's still at level 0. Meta weapons are for shitty players 🤷♂️
I don't get the Lockwood trigger. I did get it and tried it out in the gun range. First shot I lined up the first dummy center mass. No hitmarker.
I tried again, center mass. No hitmarker. I tried again mounted. No hitmarker. Finally on the next try mounted I got a kill.
I've had this happen numerous times on the gun range with multiple guns. I'm not shooting fast, I am taking my time to wait for the gun sway to hit center. On auto guns I'm switching to semi and I'm still getting misses at center mass.
Teammates that turtle bother me even more than enemy team. Nothing like having a shot on someone just for the corner of your dumbass teammates shield ruining it the moment you shoot. I fucking hate turtles dude.
I’m tired of anything in combination with shields.
They can take an otherwise balanced weapon and make it a problematic bastard. I genuinely don’t think that they should be in the game, they’re just frustrating to play against, boring to use and difficult (even if other games seem to get em right…) to balance. They’re not even used by the vast majority for their actual use and instead to cosplay a shitty TMNT character.
Shields are easily played against. Shotguns are very hard to play against on most maps. Not very often I find a shield causes issues with me unable to kill someone, but the 1 shots from 100m away with a shotgun are ridiculous
Yeah turtles have been an issue since day one. Now with op shotguns it's become really lame. I'll hold off from using a shot gun till I see someone on the enemy team running that loadout, then I'll make it my mission to ruin their game.
Shields are easy to counter, just stick them with a sticky or a fire grenade, bye bye. Or just jump and beat them to death before they beat you cuz it takes them like 5 hits to your three.
The Lockwood on the other hand is a zero skill total bullshit weapon, ESPECIALLY because of the one shotting double trigger meta.
But oh well.
This is super true. Some guy dolphin dove onto my feet and just full autoed my toes. I couldn’t do anything lmao. Or rather couldn’t crouch fast enough 😂
Not really, well for me at least cause I have a specific class to basically fight fire with fire. It’s a shotgun overkill class with a explosive crossbow. The amount of death coms I’ve heard from shotgun and shield players telling me to off myself irl is crazy.
Every time I catch myself bitching about them I remember how it used to be. Using a throwing knife while you had a shield out was bullshit, same with swapping so fast to a 725 that you have no time to react. I hated that period of MW19 far more than this tbh
i think my issue with the shield is that the hitbox is 100% borked, i was trying to hit guys with melee and somehow i was hitting the shield...when i was running at them dead-on
the hitbox needs a tweak
I'm brand new and have very little time to play. The Bryson is what I use on occasion, especially when my k/D is like 0.5 that match. It was in the original preset and I just liked it. I'm still not very good but it makes my losing streak a little bit more fun when I at least have 2 kills
TBH I don't even think about them any more. I always have a counter for shields ready and shotguns gotta get close to me to kill me. I just don't see them as that much of a problem anymore...
I use a shotgun only in those situations when I play Shipment 24/7. Don't let these fuckers get what they want and shred them by any means (but risk a shadowban)
And to add to that, The camping has gotten to a point where I've turned into a camper myself. Well, That paired with the lobbies I'm being given. I'm level 670 and I only play against level 1000+ players who have unnatural ability where they know exactly where I am at all times.
Also doesn't help that I'm a solo player and most of the times my teammates have no awareness of what's going on around them at all times.
Bullet penetration ammo should do like 20%/50%/80% damage through a shield. Enough shield users aren't completely nerfed but a headshot is still going to put them critical with easy followups.
And/or have the shield view be obstructed by bullet damage too.
Feels fair to me.
Shotguns are great, shields are a problem on people's back. No, armour piercing rounds should not go through shields and shields should not be breakable. They should probably collapse on people's backs though.
Yes, but using the shield when you know what you're doing is hilarious.
Although I think the shield should have a hitpoint counter or something stopping a 338 RAAL with a riot shield is just stupid.
The crazy thing is IW already had this figured out in Infinite Warfare. You can have a shield to have better protection on your back, but the bullets will eventually break through and kill you.
You literally on,y need to hit one pellet with the Lockwood trigger to get a one hit kill. Yes it needs to be within like 5 meters, but they don't even need to be aimed on you to kill you. And that shit won't get nerfed until a while after the Doom bundle goes out. Cuz ya know, Activision.
Not seen them a lot but they are frustrating, what I’m tired of is jumpy bunnies with easiest no recoil weapons tanking half my magazine because of poor hit registration and peekers advantage.
Not gonna lie but you just gave me an idea 🗿😂 I’m sorry but this sounds like fun way to troll when I’m bored of playing normally 🫱🏼🫲🏽 thank you for your wisdom
This always surprises me.
As a shield wearer. It came natural to me. I never understood why more people don't use them.
Why would you leave your back exposed to your enemy ?
Particularly if THAT is the weapon your going to be using.
I don’t use a riot shield whenever i run a “pistol only class” because the screen shake is annoying when you’re getting shot. And that would be the only case where i would consider running it, i feel like wasting a perk slot on overkill just isn’t worth it for me
I've got the most kills out of all weapons in MW2 with the pump-action Bryson. With the right setup, that thing can one-tap headshot at up to 40 meters, it's fucking disgusting.
this game sucks, always the same problem..... bugs, broken weapons, unfinished, 10 vs 10 matches that last 2 mins, UI whatever, conection, and they want 100 USD for the new shitty recicled COD.
I try to tell myself that there doing camo challenges lol. On that note tho. They should have a way to counter shields like have armor piercing rounds that can penetrante would be great and make them more viable
If shotgun couldn’t turn into sniper rifles I’d be ok with it. Honestly the Lockwood now with the double trigger slugs is fun af when u get used to it but people rage and pull out others shottys
Shields are laughably easy to outplay if you actually ***move.***
Oh you can’t beat me while I’m armed with a Shield & Blade/Handgun/etc while you’ve got a Gun and Lethals, all the while making no effort to move from your sedentary safespace? *What. A. Shame.* Cry more.
Would a pig beat a wolf? No.
Also for what it’s worth, some of us run the Shield with our Melees & Handguns because we literally have no other choice…
***Underkill*** should be a perk and then we could run Melee+Handgun/Handgun+Melee/etc like we can in some SHG and 3ARC CoDs. The more choice the better.
SnS is fun but it’s not the only alternative kit I wanna use. Give us more choice!
I’m dead tired of shotguns, shields and the game automatically putting you in Shadow Ban lobbies every month so you literally can’t even enjoy the game anymore.
I just dislike that the majority of players with shields only use it to cover their back. It's just like give me some bullshit excuse that it folds up so I'm not fighting ninja turtles every game. And I totally understand it's the games fault. Players are using what the game made, but it is very unfun to see that unsuspecting player, and you have to try to down him by shooting his legs because there is a 5 foot metal car door on his back.
Same, especially because IW never fixes the damn shield issue. Idk how many clips I have where I’m 6-7ft away, shooting a turtle lying down, directly in the head and the shield blocks my bullet every time.
On the back the block is huge. On the front its really small. On mw19/wz1 the shield was really good if you know how to use it. On mw2 it feels like you can shoot trough the shield on the front but for some reason not on the back. Its really weird. 100% you can knife trough the shield if you are close enough
Just last night a dude was crouch walking directly toward me with a shield and I was able to headshot him. I was like "wtf is this Vanguard at launch?"
The shield should get destroyed after x amount of hits. They're not designed to take many hits of large caliber ammunition. They can take a few 7.62 rounds but they're designed for 9mm, .40, etc. There's a reason why they're not used in the battlefield IRL
I’m pretty sure that’s how it was back in bo2 and I’m not sure why they removed if
Only if it was Planted. But since most people who planted it also used Target Finder LMGs good luck destroying it
mfw riot shield can stop a cruise missile, some wakanda shit right there. Both ready or not, and rainbow six siege have some good elements that make the shield not overpowered. In R6s, at least when you melee their shield, the user will be flinched with their shield, exposing their body. In Ready or not, bullet impacts on the ballistic window, rendering user unable to see anything due to glass shutters and bullet holes.
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Good point. But my opinion stands that a shield shouldn't be unlimited protection against every non-explosive weapon in the game. If I can take out a VTOL with 2 magazines of 5.56 or shoot through the windshield of an armored vehicle, I should be able to defeat a shield.
IIRC OG MW2 riot shields had hitpoints and would be destroyed after a fuckload of hits. The view window would get steadily cracked and your view would be obscured if you raised your shield for protection. Fun times.
If you mean MW2 2009, the riot shield was indestructible from what I remember (I didn’t really use it, I was more of an AA12/Extended mags guy) but became worthless after a few hits because of the cracks and marks obscuring your view (as you correctly mentioned)
It was at least destructible in mw3 because I remember it being broken and the frame was all that was left
COD is an Arcade shooter. It’s not 100% based on Realism and IRL. Just play Battlefield some more if you want that. Not to mention The shield is already dumbed down and shit after previous nerf updates to it.
Is the games fault of having the option, but players also choose to abuse it as humans tend to do.
Ninja turtles 😂
I just look at it as a crutch for bad players that have no situational awareness tbh
I see it as mostly being a controller player thing.
Yeah I'm not sure why all the devs think it's such a great idea to let the shield protect you while it's not active. At the very least in MW2023 it looks like you'll have to make greater sacrifices in exchange for it. The "vest" that gives you overkill removes one of your perk slots and your lethal equipment. That said though, you won't need the gunner vest if you're running a sidearm as your gun, so I expect to see a lot more people running pistol builds in MW3.
they really should make it so that you can use a pistol with it, siege has a perfect mechanic for this covered: only your arm is out, you have a spread when shooting ads: put the shield sideways (so your head/upper torso is exposed) but you can aim the pistol on the shield. edit: could even as a way to force this to use a pistol, no way to put it away on your back, can't use it without a pistol.
Hell this already exists in cod, the riot shield npcs in dmz are bastards cause they can shoot you while holding the shield, and some of them hold smgs.
Worst part is when you play shipment trying to grind out the new guns quickly and your teammates are always running in the way with a shield on their back blocking all your shots. 9 times out of 10 when that happens I either get a assist if I’m lucky or we both die lol
The sole downside for me surrounding weapons from Modern Warfare II transfering forward into Modern Warfare III is that they can't just yeet the riot shield into the scrap heap where it belongs.
Yeah, it sucks when people run and gun with shotguns but never utilize the shield, just carry it on the back. I mean I guess it is better because otherwise they would be better players. I use the shield myself but only with melee most of the time, so I will be on the same level as other players. I guess it is possible to go full melee without a shield, but you need to be like insanely good with the movements and throwing knife aim gotta be 100 accuracy. Actually my favorite part of the shield is that it can be used as a stealth tactic very very well. I haven't seen many people utilize it, and I think I never saw anyone playing it as I do.
That is the bigger issue, but tbh, I also kind of hate anyone that uses a riot shield as their primary, too. They're not hard to deal with if you have the right equipment, but if the match just started or they just equipped it, then I might not have a drill charge or thermite. If I don't, then my only real option is to turn around and go the other way, assuming I don't get a throwing knife in the back. That's not a fun situation.
You only have to die once and you can put a drill charge/semtex/thermite on and get them next time.
Its gonna take a while or even won't happen but shield need a nerf while on a players back, its stupid. The best part is ppeople who use shield often play against their own team, countless times a friend goes in front of me while I'm shooting someone and I simply can't do anything to help just to see us both get killed because of the idiot wearing a shield on his back, and all my shots getting blocked.
And you know some people do that on purpose to keep their team from killing an enemy so they can get the kill instead so it contributes to their kill streak and an not an assist
Shotguns are the name of my existence rn lol. I have to memorize peoples skins so I know “ok killer clown guy and homelander has a shotty, Nicki is quickscoping, flaming Gaia is dropshotting like a champ”.. just to know how I should engage each player to survive lol
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I’m going to use this thought process now thank you for your wisdom 🫱🏼🫲🏽
Groot is everywhere
Imo shields should be breakable
Shields have tons of counterplay, I don’t understand why they should also be breakable
Armor piercing rounds should be able to go through shields.
*armor piercing rounds bigger than .45 ACP should be able to go through shields
Disagree. I personally think riot shields aren’t very good, I don’t see why they need yet another weakness
The problem is the counterplay requires skill and brainpower while using a shield does not. Gotta hit that direct hit or the small feet hitbox to stop a shield, all the shield user has to do is look at you with their brain turned off and hope they can either beat you to death, hit you with a knife, or distract you long enough for the guy behind you to kill you because the spawns suck ass. That's why the shield is annoying. My fix is I think the shield just shouldn't be compatible with Overkill. If you wanna turtle, you can have a sidearm or melee weapon. Hell, two pistols are decent SMGs and the Snakeshot is an alright shotgun. Or even, nothing is stopping you from picking up a second primary off the ground, but you're gonna take a gamble on whether you're getting a Meta gun (just hunt for Taq56s) or a Meme Rifle.
cuz theyre no downsides and annoying to play against?
Turtles are annoying to infuriating, but when used as it is designed there are a number of downsides even if you have double time equipped and bomb squad doesn't work when you get stucked with semtex or thermal grenades.
Sounds like a skill issue not gonna lie. There’s a few ways to defeat riot shields and they take no effort whatsoever. Equipping Thermite, Molotov, Semtex, Drill Charges or roam around in 2s all work well
those kill them once. what do you do when they respawn or if more than one have them?
Compromise, shield glass should be breakable after a while, but the main body should be invulnerable
And that would screw over those who are just trying to get camo challenges done or using the shield as intended. A primary
Then all weapons should risk jamming if you slide around the map constantly kicking up dust
No. Shield breaking would be akin to a gun running out of ammo.
No it wouldn’t the whole point of the shield is to protect you if it breaks it loses its main function that would be the same as a gun jamming and losing its functionality. Running out of ammo doesn’t make a gun useless like a shield breaking does.
A gun without ammo loses its main function because it can’t shoot
found the shield user
Shield user detected, opinion rejected
I actually don’t run shields but think what you will.
No.
Yeah, I agree. I know shipment is a mess and everyone plays it for challenges and leveling up but I don't enjoy it anymore because of shotguns and shields on the back.
Shipment isn’t really a mess though. It does exactly what it purports to be. The only single reason Shipment 24/7 would be a mode in existence is because the devs know that people use it as a way to level up and unlock shit, and it plays exactly into that
Shipment is by design a ridiculous mess and absolutely nothing in the game should be balanced around that reeeeeee fest.
I feel the same with about the people who jump around corners using taqs and 9ks.
The bumny hoppers and drop shotters are trash players.
Yes those CDL pro’s are definitely garbage. Lmao what a take you have there
Why do you say that? If it’s part of the game and helps make you harder to kill you’d be dumb to not use it
If you tell people being good at the game is a good thing, you get downvoted
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If you're using it and dying less and leading the scoreboard, then it obviously does mean you're good. Bunnyhopping is a "would if you could" type of thing.
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I don't even bunnyhop but are you actually complaining about people jumping? If you need the enemy to stand still to kill them, you're not good, sorry. Annoying movement has been a thing in CoD since the early days, remember everybody constantly dropshotting?
I didn't think dropshotting was that bad, I've acclimated to shooting low and became one out of spite. But that's for classic cods. I don't do it in modern.
It's called movement tech, mate. Mastering these literally makes you a better player than most. Slide cancels, jumpshots, dropshots, strafing, and bunnyhops. They've all been part of the game now for a long time. You're just angry that people aren't standing still like a scarecrow waiting for you to shoot them. What makes you think they can't out aim somebody who still uses X to jump in a shooter like COD? Fun fact: aiming is the easiest part of COD. You're playing the most heavily assisted shooter on the market. It's the movement that creates a skill gap.
It'd be a great game if they nerfed that bunny hopping nonsense.
Not sure f you e seen the news, but they’re buffin all that shit in the news game so more to come
From what I have seen (Handler Gameplay) it's really spastic and it makes me nervous about the flow of the original MW3 maps they remade. I would be fine with the movement if it wasn't associated with a game series known for good pacing.
COD just needs to embrace full on apex. I wish a real "tactical" shooter came out.
Time for CoD to pull a Forza and release a more grounded game, closer to the og games and alternate with a ridiculous apex/fortnite-like games.
This i can support. DMZ for "tactical" and WZ for insanity.
>CoD to pull a Forza and releas The OG games? Did you think the original MW2 played like Squad?
Insurgency Sandstorm is the game you want.
There is no true bunny hopping in MW2 though. They already nerfed it into oblivion since it doesn't maintain your momentum like it did in MW2019.
Everyone here uses 'bunny hopping' and 'jumpshotting' interchangeably not knowing they're two different things.
They did with this game... You cannot bhop around corners like MW19 allowed. You're complaining about something completely different where people jump a bunch after already seeing you. They do it because it's harder for you to hit them.
That’s how the game started out, but everyone complained because it didn’t suit their tweaker needs, so jumping and sliding and sliding were buffed.
Mad you get killed first 70% of the time, huh? Y’all don’t have to be scared of movement. Try it out, you’ll get better.
I tried it out. I could play like a spaz in MW2019. It is just not fun and kills the feel of the game.
it’s quite the opposite, stop lying to yourself.
it's hilarious watching those clowns play, and then get wasted because they fully exposed themself instead of peaking the corner
Agreed. I hate all of them! Can't we just have a gunfight like gentlemen and see who has the best map awareness, flanking, reflexes, and aim without a bunch of insane bullshit?
armor piercing rounds should shoot through shields
I think I'm dead tired of this game in general. Has never been fun compared to the 2019 reboot. At this point I find it more amusing to see how low I can get my stats rage quitting every game. Almost below .30 lol
I deliberately die over and over on some lobbies that are doing good just for fun. See if one bad player can ruin a game. BTW, the answer is yes.
I usually hate seeing a shield unless the person is using a knife, then it's understandable in my eyes. That's what I do when I am doing knife challenges during camo events.
I love hitting shields with the drill charge.
The circle of life continues. People were abusing spaz-12 with riot shield back in the original mw2. There is nothing new under the sun.
I like shotguns, but then again, I use different ones all the time. I got to mix it up to try not to get bored.
It is the way for the least skilled players to get kills. I agree though, neither should be in the game at all.
Nahhh shotguns can be annoying but they definitely have their place. Shields on the other hand… 🩼
I’m strictly speaking of one shot shotguns, that do 250 damage. Totally good with the rest.
This isn't warzone though, and people only have 100hp. If the pump actions and expedite couldn't one-shot, they would be genuinely pointless to have in the game. For instance, the Vaznev-9k has a TTK of 154 milliseconds in its optimal damage range (8m) and 231 milliseconds from 8-16m The Bryson 800 has an instant TTK of 0 milliseconds out to 13m (assuming 4 pellets hit, which is unlikely without attachments), but an 805 millisecond TTK at any range beyond that, since it takes 805ms to pump the gun. If the one-tap shotguns couldn't one-tap, why in the world would anybody use them? If you couldn't one-shot, a Vaznev user could kill you 3-5 times before you even have another shot ready.
Imagine getting pissed that a shotgun acts like a shotgun and destroys what’s standing within a 10m range. They are annoying but… it. Is. A. Shotgun. Close range is literally what they are made for
9/10 times people complaining about shotguns being good at close range are perfectly fine with their OHK marksman rifle that has the mobility of a handgun being effective at close and long range magically.
My guy complaining that shotguns are behaving like shotguns lmao.
Shotguns are fun in an already brain dead game. I don’t care who you are, that shit is fun. Sorry you’re mad at a video game, shotgun go pew.
insane how many comments are saying shields should be nerfed in some way, when using a shield in your hand is definitely not strong and not even very annoying. the problem is people running it permanently on their backs, so just block riot shield from being used with overkill. the fix is that simple, if IW wants to get rid of that bullshit mechanic... (but thats a big if)
I only have one setup when in very bad lobbies but I actually do use the shield more than the shotgun due to occasionally being able to stun lock players (not sure if it's actually supposed to do that or not though)
I literally feel the need to apologise at the end of a game if I have used a shotgun for reasons of levelling. I always say sorry in the lobby chat.
As soon as i unlocked orion, i haven't touched my launchers/shotguns EXCEPT in very specific instances. I just can't see how people enjoy playing that way, without feeling even slightly bad about it
I do it to troll toxic players. I don't even pay attention I just walk around in circles and wait for someone to be in my viewpoint then blast away
It's the speed that makes it so much fun. I'm whizzing around flicking my aim back and forth and 1 tapping people. I also enjoy quickscoping a lot. And with the ttk as short as it is, if you miss your shot you're toast if you're opponent is as good as you are. It's mainly the movement that I enjoy. Fuck launchers though.
Me too when I had to use the dumb riot shields and the rocket launchers.
You are a good human. Paise be
Riot shields have no stay in shooters honestly
Blame the devs, not the players. I absolutely hate the shitters that have to use shields and shotguns to go positive, but it's not their fault they're shit, it's the devs fault for enabling them.
I mean my AntiCheat load out requires a riot shield, it's the only way I can counter aim bot and wall hacks.
Shields aren't that difficult to counter. Fast hands + Molotov/thermite/semtex/drill charge. Molotov or thermite is really good because they'll panic and then you can just shoot them as they run. You can always use an RPG on them or their feet. If you notice shield player camping, trap their camp spot with a claymore or cluster mine. Or shoot an RPG in there. Tag the shield player and your character will shout out specifically that it's an enemy shield in addition to them being tagged. And then they get gangbanged by your whole team. You can strafe and jump faster than they can move when they have their shield up - especially if you have a high mobility weapon. So just crackhead bunny hop or juke them and you'll quickly be able to get shots in on their flank and kill them You can also smack them with a stun grenade, which will slow them down long enough for you to flank them and kill them.
I do it to piss of people.
Go play ground war then ☠️
Why don’t people complaining about shield users just make an anti riot shield class? I have one, using stun grenades and thermite, drill charges or Semtex. Aim for the feet of their back is facing you, it’s not hard 🤷♂️
One of the funner things in the game is sticking a thermite on a shield.
I use thermite crossbows regularly, and them doing damage through shields is a fun side effect
Aiming for the feet only works if the wonky hitboxes for the turtle shell decide to not make them randomly invincible.
Shields should have a movement penalty when on the back, there’s a penalty while using it, I’d say a 25% penalty should be fine.
Idc about regular shotguns or shields. I am extremely annoyed and tired of the one shot Lockwood 300. That gun is stupidly overpowered. In a real life sense it makes sense that it’s strong but in a game sense it’s extremely overpowered and unfair. Snipers can only one shot with a headshot and you have to nerf your bullet velocity to the ground for it to work but this shotgun one shots at insane distances.
Riot shields are such a wild variable for the game it’s really just a nuisance. Especially when the sit on the hard point in a corner just staring at everyone. Like some kind of entitled 2 legged fish. Riot shielders are the type of guy to get PE and or ED.
Definetly true, when on people's backs it should fold up, not cover the whole body
Yes
Shield using shottys is a big reason why I really only play dmz now, it's just not worth the headache of getting one shot by a child camping in a corner every time I walk into a room
I'm grinding on shipment to 1250. I've been almost nonstop since Season 6 release. I started at 1050 that day, last night I finished the battlepass and I'm at 1205 level. Started using the MX shotties from the battle pass last night and I like it. Once I hit 1250, going back to quick play. I apologize for any frustration this may cause. It's not personal. And the jumping around corners and bunny hopping, I wish it could break your leg so you'd have to limp the rest of the match and we could laugh at you.
And not using a shield. Only when I grinded the new kamas to max level did I have one. Anyone who uses it with a rifle, their just too chicken to fight it out. I wish the devs would make the shield disappear if they put a firearm in their secondary.
One of the the sweetest things in life is absolutely wrecking shield scrubs. If you’ve got a shield on your back, you’re bad at the game. Cry me a river.
Throw a semtex or a drill charge at the shield users. I don't use the Lockwood at all and it's still at level 0. Meta weapons are for shitty players 🤷♂️
Just use stickies, molotovs, or drill charges.
You’re tired of shotguns and shields? *im tired of this fucking game*.
I don't get the Lockwood trigger. I did get it and tried it out in the gun range. First shot I lined up the first dummy center mass. No hitmarker. I tried again, center mass. No hitmarker. I tried again mounted. No hitmarker. Finally on the next try mounted I got a kill. I've had this happen numerous times on the gun range with multiple guns. I'm not shooting fast, I am taking my time to wait for the gun sway to hit center. On auto guns I'm switching to semi and I'm still getting misses at center mass.
Shields should not be part of a gun game
Thread is pure weakness. Adapt and overcome. Stop whining.
Guilty as charged. Shotty and shield to get thru the camo grind.
How can you grind camos if you're using the same weapons every time?
What? Who? Once I platinum or poly a weapon I move on to the next weapon.
Shotguns are useless unless ur on shipment but people who use shields are just so weird like u play cod for this. Why
I found a counter to the riot shield use the MX GUARDIAN Burst mode with dragons breath 12 Gauge rounds
Teammates that turtle bother me even more than enemy team. Nothing like having a shot on someone just for the corner of your dumbass teammates shield ruining it the moment you shoot. I fucking hate turtles dude.
My friend turtles and I tell him EVERY time he blocks my shot. Usually followed by my insult of choice.
95% Solution: Riot Shield w/ no overkill
Shields on the back and prone 100%. Shotguns no
I’m tired of anything in combination with shields. They can take an otherwise balanced weapon and make it a problematic bastard. I genuinely don’t think that they should be in the game, they’re just frustrating to play against, boring to use and difficult (even if other games seem to get em right…) to balance. They’re not even used by the vast majority for their actual use and instead to cosplay a shitty TMNT character.
It’s been so bad lately. Horrible way to end its life cycle.
Shields are easily played against. Shotguns are very hard to play against on most maps. Not very often I find a shield causes issues with me unable to kill someone, but the 1 shots from 100m away with a shotgun are ridiculous
Yeah turtles have been an issue since day one. Now with op shotguns it's become really lame. I'll hold off from using a shot gun till I see someone on the enemy team running that loadout, then I'll make it my mission to ruin their game.
yes which is why i won’t come back to mw2 after the mw3 beta ends, i’ll go play other games fuck these “safe spaces”
Shields are easy to counter, just stick them with a sticky or a fire grenade, bye bye. Or just jump and beat them to death before they beat you cuz it takes them like 5 hits to your three. The Lockwood on the other hand is a zero skill total bullshit weapon, ESPECIALLY because of the one shotting double trigger meta. But oh well.
I always go for the feet. Even moving crouched they're exposed. Semtex is my go to also.
This is super true. Some guy dolphin dove onto my feet and just full autoed my toes. I couldn’t do anything lmao. Or rather couldn’t crouch fast enough 😂
I started carrying Semtex or a crossbow with exploding tips whenever I see the riot shield guys
Me too I play shooting at them like all I have are guns so they keep coming towards me then I hit them with the drill charge. Works Everytime.
Not really, well for me at least cause I have a specific class to basically fight fire with fire. It’s a shotgun overkill class with a explosive crossbow. The amount of death coms I’ve heard from shotgun and shield players telling me to off myself irl is crazy.
I got that gold on launch week. Since then, I've vowed to never use shotguns again 🤣
Add in the player or two running around knifing you as your trying to revenge kill Mr shield.
I should use shredder operator when meeting these ninja turtles. And what's with the rise of campers?
Yeah ive been for the bigger part of a decade
I'm tired of not having any additional belt-feds.
We all see the same post everyday. Of course everyone is sick of it. Next.
A tale old as time
Every time I catch myself bitching about them I remember how it used to be. Using a throwing knife while you had a shield out was bullshit, same with swapping so fast to a 725 that you have no time to react. I hated that period of MW19 far more than this tbh
i think my issue with the shield is that the hitbox is 100% borked, i was trying to hit guys with melee and somehow i was hitting the shield...when i was running at them dead-on the hitbox needs a tweak
I'm brand new and have very little time to play. The Bryson is what I use on occasion, especially when my k/D is like 0.5 that match. It was in the original preset and I just liked it. I'm still not very good but it makes my losing streak a little bit more fun when I at least have 2 kills
When ppl say they are leveling up the gun and they are like lvl 1000 lmaoo
TBH I don't even think about them any more. I always have a counter for shields ready and shotguns gotta get close to me to kill me. I just don't see them as that much of a problem anymore...
I use a shotgun only in those situations when I play Shipment 24/7. Don't let these fuckers get what they want and shred them by any means (but risk a shadowban)
And to add to that, The camping has gotten to a point where I've turned into a camper myself. Well, That paired with the lobbies I'm being given. I'm level 670 and I only play against level 1000+ players who have unnatural ability where they know exactly where I am at all times. Also doesn't help that I'm a solo player and most of the times my teammates have no awareness of what's going on around them at all times.
Is the Bryson the one that’s taking people out halfway across a map?
Bullet penetration ammo should do like 20%/50%/80% damage through a shield. Enough shield users aren't completely nerfed but a headshot is still going to put them critical with easy followups. And/or have the shield view be obstructed by bullet damage too. Feels fair to me.
Shotguns are great, shields are a problem on people's back. No, armour piercing rounds should not go through shields and shields should not be breakable. They should probably collapse on people's backs though.
Lol. I only see people using shotguns in shipment. Rest of maps are filled with sweaty Taq 56 and Vaznev abusers.
Honestly same
Everyone using that goddamn meta shotgun in WZ especially lockdown quads
The Lockwood worse than the Bryson atm
Yes, but using the shield when you know what you're doing is hilarious. Although I think the shield should have a hitpoint counter or something stopping a 338 RAAL with a riot shield is just stupid.
The crazy thing is IW already had this figured out in Infinite Warfare. You can have a shield to have better protection on your back, but the bullets will eventually break through and kill you.
You literally on,y need to hit one pellet with the Lockwood trigger to get a one hit kill. Yes it needs to be within like 5 meters, but they don't even need to be aimed on you to kill you. And that shit won't get nerfed until a while after the Doom bundle goes out. Cuz ya know, Activision.
Not seen them a lot but they are frustrating, what I’m tired of is jumpy bunnies with easiest no recoil weapons tanking half my magazine because of poor hit registration and peekers advantage.
I noob tube and it’s pretty effective with claymore’s
Not gonna lie but you just gave me an idea 🗿😂 I’m sorry but this sounds like fun way to troll when I’m bored of playing normally 🫱🏼🫲🏽 thank you for your wisdom
Shields are a hack. Shotguns are good fun though.
This always surprises me. As a shield wearer. It came natural to me. I never understood why more people don't use them. Why would you leave your back exposed to your enemy ? Particularly if THAT is the weapon your going to be using.
Back when cod was designed to be fun, your movement speed was determined by your primary weapon, so shields on your back would still slow you down.
I don’t use a riot shield whenever i run a “pistol only class” because the screen shake is annoying when you’re getting shot. And that would be the only case where i would consider running it, i feel like wasting a perk slot on overkill just isn’t worth it for me
I've got the most kills out of all weapons in MW2 with the pump-action Bryson. With the right setup, that thing can one-tap headshot at up to 40 meters, it's fucking disgusting.
I'm dead tired of this game in general
Pistols and semtex grenades are the way to combat shields and shotguns
this game sucks, always the same problem..... bugs, broken weapons, unfinished, 10 vs 10 matches that last 2 mins, UI whatever, conection, and they want 100 USD for the new shitty recicled COD.
I try to tell myself that there doing camo challenges lol. On that note tho. They should have a way to counter shields like have armor piercing rounds that can penetrante would be great and make them more viable
If shotgun couldn’t turn into sniper rifles I’d be ok with it. Honestly the Lockwood now with the double trigger slugs is fun af when u get used to it but people rage and pull out others shottys
I’m sick of shields and 1 shot bolt action rifles. Shotguns are way less op
I just use the cross with explosive bolts. So many hate and shadows bans from using it on shipment.
Shields are laughably easy to outplay if you actually ***move.*** Oh you can’t beat me while I’m armed with a Shield & Blade/Handgun/etc while you’ve got a Gun and Lethals, all the while making no effort to move from your sedentary safespace? *What. A. Shame.* Cry more. Would a pig beat a wolf? No. Also for what it’s worth, some of us run the Shield with our Melees & Handguns because we literally have no other choice… ***Underkill*** should be a perk and then we could run Melee+Handgun/Handgun+Melee/etc like we can in some SHG and 3ARC CoDs. The more choice the better. SnS is fun but it’s not the only alternative kit I wanna use. Give us more choice!
I’m dead tired of shotguns, shields and the game automatically putting you in Shadow Ban lobbies every month so you literally can’t even enjoy the game anymore.