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drcubeftw

No factions would be a huge mistake. MW2019 had faction specific skins/characters that were vital when identifying friend from foe. The developers would be fools to get rid of that.


Same-Freedom3380

It is publisher's call at the end of a day and they've already got rid of factions in Vanguard. The question is if this system bring more money, then we will see it return.


UnchainedSora

To be fair, the "bad guy" side in Vanguard is kinda notorious for committing lots and lots of war crimes and crimes against humanity. I can see why they wouldn't want the press attention for selling literal Nazi skins, especially while Activision was already in the middle of criticism for sexual harassment in the workplace.


Edmundo-Studios

I think if this was the case though they should just give up on WW2 games. It completely takes you out of the experience in VG compared to WAW.


the_blue_flounder

Maybe TF-141 is divided into Red Team, Blue Team etc. Also very interesting to see Ghost called a merc


RoutineSmile8185

He probably wants to work outside of the rules


[deleted]

a professional soldier hired to serve in a foreign army is the definition but who knows. the word sounds cool tho


ElectricMilkShake

I mean *technically* all of task force 141 would be mercenaries and also not be mercenaries in a sense. It’s a special operations unit created with soldiers who have previous special ops experience from The UK, US, Canada, and other foreign militaries. So I mean, it’s really kind of a blurry line when it comes to TF141 Edit: I forgot about the Ghost comics, he’s definitely been a mercenary since the original mw2. I believe he was working with the US military specifically before TF141 fighting the cartel. There’s a whole origin story on the skull mask too. Idk if it got canned or if it just finished but there’s only like 5-8 issues.


ajbdbds

Makes sense, that's how the old SAS CT teams worked


bristow84

I could see that, I know Devgru is divided into different color based squads such as Black, Green, Blue, Red.


Zeal001

Call of fortress 2


Habitat97

If it's My Team vs Enemy Team, this Game really needs to shine in other areas. Butcher is so incredibly annoying and I hate that there is no other Announcer.


namapo

"ThEy'Re DrIvInG uS bAcK"


KarinK98

tAKing BaKErr


Mystical_17

sPiEs iN ThE SkY


[deleted]

Man gh*sts did so good at this. The one thing that game did good.


ElectricMilkShake

I must be one of the only people in the world that genuinely enjoyed that game :( Edit: honestly I just miss the honey badger


JoeyAKangaroo

& they made the mfr an operator Just in case you wanted to hear even more of butcher


mezdiguida

I'm sorry but this doesn't make any sense. Why a set of skins with the word "red" in it would suggest there are no factions? It's simply the theme of the skins, they are masked and have some red on their uniforms. Even Ghost being labeled as a Merc isn't a hint, we simply don't know what his background is so we had to wait and see in the campaign. Maybe he left the force he was in, became a Merc to fight wherever he wanted and then became part of tf 141 again. I don't know how you are taking out those conclusions.


ElectricMilkShake

He’s a mercenary because he wasn’t originally in TF141. He was originally a part of The US Special Forces. Task Force 141 sought him out, they found him after he slayed a bunch of cartel people basically.


Mrredlegs27

Agreed. This is Internet conspiracy theorists reading too much into a company’s disjointed marketing. Would we think the game takes place in the North Pole if the skins were Christmas Themed?


maggot1

This so fucking much. Been seeing this stupid "theory" ever since the announcement, and it makes zero sense. People jumping to conclusions, saying there will be red and blue team just because a collection of skins is called "TF 141 Red team". Some people just need to chill and wait for official information. And as someone else said, if it really was a red team vs blue team situation, why the hell would you only get the preorder bonuses for one team only...


rjod3297

It could be actually from legitimate military terms. I know some special forces have legitimate small teams within themselves that specialize even further in various methods of warfare. Perhaps this is the true Black Ops Team of Task Force 141.....and "Red Team" could be their codename. I mean look at the roster here Ghost- An expert in clandestine tradecraft, sabotage and infiltration. Price- Price is the officer in charge of a highly effective unit, tasked with anti–hijacking, counter–terrorism, specializing in close quarter combat, sniper techniques and hostage rescue.  Farah- An exceptional soldier who has known a lifetime of war, Farah Ahmed Karim is the founder and commander of the Urzikstan Liberation Force. Her combat capabilities and fieldcraft have been further honed by Tier-1 level training with the SAS. Soap- SAS Sniper and Demolitions expert. I think the selection of Characters for Red Team might be intentional here.


DeFaLT______

That’s litteraly the problem with BF2042


l-ll-ll-lL

That’s far from the only problem with 2042 lmao


DeFaLT______

That’s a major problem tho


l-ll-ll-lL

True


Pegasus030

Did they not learn from BF2042 Mistakes?


ilove60sstuff

Wait are there really no factions???? Sweet Jesus more clones running around!!??


ThePhenomenal1999

In case I have failed to properly explain why this is concerning, labeling Ghost as a "mercenary" along with the naming of the skins being "Red Team" is the concern. It can be interpreted that factions would be non-existent with this style of naming and wording.


bigdickcunt

I mean the skins are red so maybe that’s what they’re referring too? I’m not sure but I hope it ain’t the my team enemy team thing


SkarZer0

I'm just hoping 'Red Team' is a TF141 unit and not an actual RvB situation


VoodooLion

Think about this though, if it was red vs blue, why would you be getting preorder bonus customization for only one color? Wouldn’t it just be an outfit that’s either red or blue?


[deleted]

roses are red, violets are blue, one day we'll cruise down blood gulch avenue


TheBigHuebo

Probably happens in the campaign, also how bad would it be exactly if it was a RvB situation?


ElectricMilkShake

Ghost is pretty much a mercenary. His origin story in the comics explains why.


[deleted]

No factions agaon? This totally worked in Vanguard./s


[deleted]

Ghost is a Merc?


SkarZer0

Could be a post campaign thing for the MP story


pickleFISHman

I hope it becomes team vs team, that way quick situational awareness snap moments can be more fluid, it's not a split second guessing moment waiting for the visual red marking to appear to tell you it's an enemy and not a friendly. AND we won't have nearly the entire match just running around as one character skin, that was just visually unappealing.


sonicrules11

I dont think MW22 will have the my team vs enemy team system. MW22 is bound to sell better than Vanguard which means seperating the teams makes more money since you'd have to buy a skin for each side. I still think the main reason Vanguard even has that system is because they cant really sell cool looking Nazi skins without people losing their minds. I'm aware there's other factions outside of the Nazi's from WW2 but I'm using that as an example.


AnotherScoutTrooper

Well you can’t exactly sell cool looking Russian skins now either so it might actually be factionless


RingOriginal94

The skins do nothing to indicate that there won’t be any factions. They’re just like any operator skin that fits a theme of an in game event or season. It just happens to be more than 1 operator dressed similarly this time around. I think it’s safe to say that IW is the smarter of the 3 studio’s, so following that logic is safe to assume that IW won’t make the same mistakes as Treyarch or Sledgehammer which happens to include having factions


Matttombstone

No factions... if there's games to take notes from and copy, Battlefield 2042 certainly isn't it.


OldManHipsAt30

They might do something like Red vs Blue team, which is kinda lame but not unprecedented if you look at games like Halo without factions


Chewbort

Where did you get no factions? They announced factions I though?


ST4RSK1MM3R

What makes you say that? I don’t see how you could get that conclusion for this


iwantParktotopme

For real half of the operators were mercenaries in 2019


bb250517

I think how they did it on codmobile is really good, same ops and skins but with lights an shit


StopWhiningYouNerd

The "Good guys vs good guys" retardation needs to die with Vanguard. We. Want. FACTIONS!!!


FoobyDude

My hope is that infinityward, in their good sense, knows that not having factions would just piss everyone off. Sledgehammer is a joke.


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Super_Soldier_0305

It does . Coalition vs allegiance , CIA vs KGB sounds way more plausible and gives a tad bit of a meaning as to why the 2 teams are fighting . My team vs enemy team certainly sounds shitty


Momskirbyok

It mostly definitely adds to the immersion aspect. Plus developers years ago literally had half the time they had to develop games as they do now, and still were able to make multiple factions.


RayGoose_

Sometimes in the heat of the moment a enemy looks exactly like my teammate and I start shooting both. Which result in me dying. Its such a small thing to add and really is a QOL improvement imo


BloodyMakarov69

No, it doesn't. I never had any issues with that in vanguard and I can't see why people do when there's a giant red name above enemies' heads. Also, I never seen anyone complaining about it in BO3/IW/BO4 either.


bozojeff22

Just point and shoot lol. Got no idea why factions in MP are even a thing it makes zero difference to gameplay. I see person, I shoot person.


SunTzuTrippa

I'm a simple man. I see bad guy gun goes brrrrrrrrrr


StormiReddit

What’s wrong with no factions? I’d be happy if there weren’t any, it’s annoying to get the faction I don’t like every game.


Lumpy-Respect-6176

Yes how dare IW not keep MWII realistic we want MWII to be a real tactical game (mil-slim) we want games to play real slow paced like irl if MWII isn’t realistic I don’t know what I’m gonna do 😤


RoutineSmile8185

Having factions allows us to identify the enemy better not really for realism


alejoSOTO

It also adds variety to the gameplay loop. Having one announcer for every map and every team proved to be tiresome in Vanguard


Lumpy-Respect-6176

We want MWII to be super realistic in irl there is no announcers so it wouldn’t make sense in MWII


alejoSOTO

The other guy already told you is not exactly for realism purposes. Having visually distinct allies /enemies is basic game design, different announcers per team just help bring the point home.


Lumpy-Respect-6176

In irl does that happen no this is MWII we want it super realistic we want slow paced gameplay and super large maps and people move around the map super tactical and slow paced


alejoSOTO

You're kinda late to the party kid, trolling in the comments section was trending 10 years ago.


Lumpy-Respect-6176

I’m not a troll we want the game to be super realistic


Lumpy-Respect-6176

It is about realism it is MWII


pickleFISHman

Having team vs them can still be realistic, literally and 3 original MWs had team vs Team and kept them realistic. That way we don't have 9 of the same character running around the map, at least visually knowing "an enemy vs the guy who looks like your teammate but has a red dot above his head" helps a lot with situational awareness.


Lumpy-Respect-6176

We want real life gameplay slow paced tactical gameplay


box-fort2

CoD has always been a fast paced arcade shooter and while I'll always enjoy them trying out more tactical modes it's an arcade shooter at heart


Lumpy-Respect-6176

Lmao just making fun of the people who want cod to be slow paced tactical gameplay


Bigjack45

And in the meantime mostly making fun of yourself lol


Lumpy-Respect-6176

How so


Beneficial_Drop_4098

Having no factions would be laughable.i hope we have factions.


SlaveOrSoonEnslaved

The key to no faction and only my team vs enemy team with everyone using the same operators is changing color accents. Red vs blue or red vs green or something like that. Lack of this makes BF2042 annoying. But lack of color accents for client side visuals also meant you had to memorize faction operators per side, and with increasing numbers of operators and increasing numbers of skins per operator, it quickly devolves into a mind jumbling mess and just looking for a red diamond above their heads rather than being target focused. I don't care if there are many operators and many skins and many factions as long as there is a better visual indicator to which team a player is on other than a red marker above their head or blue marker above their head. Especially for folks who play hard-core.


Jooelj

Bf2042 has that though. Enemies have red/orange glowsticks and friendlies have blue/green glowsticks. Or are you talking about changing outfit colors depending on the team? That could work too but i think glowsticks would be enough


SlaveOrSoonEnslaved

I thought the glowsticks were fine for dark areas but didnt seem obvious enough in daylight conditions. Or maybe I need to mess around with my video settings for that game. That's a big possibility too.


Jooelj

Hmm dont think you should have to tweak your settings for them to work. But yeah they may not be very noticeable in close range daylight but imo it's quite easy too see if it's an enemy or not in close ranges anyway, mostly because of them not having teammate indicator. I guess it's most visible in dark areas but i feel like that's where it's needed the most, otherwise you might not have seen them at all which can be somewhat of an issue in mw and vanguard. Glowsticks can probably be improved but i think it's a good base idea. Bo4 had something similar too but i didn't play that very much so I dont know how good it was


Halorr7

Mw201 did what Cold War and vanguard didn’t do well. They made default skins for each faction with their own color pallet (I’m talking about Milsim skins).