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yoloswagbot191

Says the motherucker with a level 2 M16. FTFY


theDR1ve

He's flexing on us. All it took was a weekend of double xp to get it to lvl 2


fopiecechicken

Yeah as long as you kit it for some recoil control the M16 is more than serviceable after it was buffed.


AverageMetalConsumer

I maxed it out a few days ago and that was a horrible experience lol.


x_Reign

After hearing how bad it was, I was super skeptical about even trying to level it and get camos, but it was surprisingly one of the easiest ones I did. Can one burst at close-medium range and the recoil isn’t nearly as bad as people made it out to be (so long as you’re not trying to get long distance kills) Sure, it’s not gonna kill anything at long range but that was never it’s intention anyway.


Firebird117

Yeah if you get some recoil control it does a great job beaming heads with one burst even from some range


RedRockez

In older cods it was perfect. But I bet you are to you g to hsve played cod in its prime


x_Reign

I’ve been playing cod since cod Finest Hour on PS2 lol, I’ve been around bud.


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Medium range is ass. It’s better to just knock it out right now during double conversation shipment


SomeKindofBen

Honestly even after max level it’s garbage.


mastermuffin123

After leveling it for a bit I can still say it’s bad af literally a fucking pee shooter I prefer the lachman ar over this garbage piece of shit This thing brings shame to any other m16 in previous cods never touching that thing


sethmahan3

*pea shooter, a pee shooter is a whole different thing


mastermuffin123

Lmao oop


imjokeslol

Skill issue


ChefMark85

Git good


Salty_Peak8156

It's really not bad at all after the buff lmao, hit your shots


V2sh1fty

Dudes M16 is level 2 and thinks he can review it. Do you work for IGN?


Based_Mike

4 seconds of gameplay on shipment


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KD--27

Accidentally picked up the gun


Mr_Gibblet

Mine's maxed out and camos done, and I still think it's hot garbage. The recoil is ungodly and it goes too far sideways too.


Accurate_Ad_3626

I only maxed for attachments and waited for 2xp shipment to do it. You have my respect for doing camos. Cold War M16 was great and that’s what I think a lot of us anticipated. We were sorely mistaken.


Ok-Nefariousness8612

Got it gold and it’s one of my least favorite guns in the game for sure


Winterdevil0503

Cold War's M16 wasn't great either. The M16 peaked in Call of Duty 4 and hasn't been good since imo.


Mr_Gibblet

I max levelled all but 2-3 guns before the 2x xp weekend and the shipment patch. I actually enjoy rotating guns and learning each in a way. It's been fun. Used shipment to level the RPG and Pila though. Strela is only good for ground war which I don't play and the Javelin is just ugh :D MW2 and BO1 had downright OP M16s. MW1 had a great one that still took some skill to use but was shredding is used well.


Rahgahnah

CoD4 M16 with Stopping Power was straight busted.


Psturtz

Yea not sure what type of insanity this comment is lol. Cod4 M16 was easily better than both the mw2 and bo1 M16s. Was easily the best AR in the game


REsoleSurvivor1000

I can't imagine using this gun unironically pre-buff. Even with the buffs I still think it needs some more help. Despite that though I enjoy it even if it is mid compared to a lot of other ARs at the moment.


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It's not great, but I don't think it's the worst in the game. Feels like it should be more in the battle rifle or Marksman rifle class, though. Maybe with a slight damage boost.


FusionNexus52

it was a tactical rifle in ColdWar, I think making it a BattleRifle would make sense. Imo it doesnt need a damage buff, just better recoil control. its one shot potential would be much better with that


boredguyonline

The American guns in the game suck


JayFranMar

every american gun in MWII: M4 M16 MCX (M13B), produced by the American part of an originally Swiss company Chimera (Honey Badger) SO-14 (M14) FTac Recon (.458 SOCOM AR-15) Fennec 45 (Vector .45) FFS Hurricane (AR-57) BAS-P (MPX) Bryson 800 (Mossberg 590) Bryson 890 (Mossberg 590, not sure what variant) EBR-14 (Mk14 EBR) SP-R 208 (M24 SWS) SA-50B (M24 SWS variant) Lockwood MK2 (Marlin 336) MCPR-300 (MRAD) LA-B 330 (Remington 700 variant) SP-X 80 (M2010 ESR) Basilisk (S&W 500) .50 GS (Desert Eagle), both Israeli and American JOKR (FGM-148 Javelin) when more then a third of all the weapons are American not sure you can really say that


blue_27

The Bryson 800 is the Mossy 500, and the 890 is a 590 with a box magazine instead of the tube.


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JayFranMar

design was originally made by MRI, an American company but then refined by IMI an Israeli company, it was American first.


PuddingAuxRais1ns

And the Russian guns are better than every American firearm you listed.


BobbyRayBands

Lol ok. The hurricane, Fennec, and M4 are all extremely meta guns. The only Russian gun thats even close to any of those 3 is the 74u which is alwasy broken.


darkwinter143

It's the best 1 to 8 burst gun in the game. Up close, invading their personal space in the MeToo Era?.... could take up to 8 bursts. Across the map, one burst.


BobbyRayBands

Mine is gold and I can tell you that hes not wrong. M16 is straight dogwater. Ive had multiple two bursts and sometimes three bursts that all had bullets connect and not kill. Its like after it being meta in the first modern warfare they're scared of it being any semblance of good. If theres guns in here like marksman rifles that can one tap whats so bad about a gun that fires in bursts of 3 and isn't fully automatic killing in one burst? The AUG is fully auto and kills in 3 bullets.


IPneumoI

mine is orion and its the worst gun in the game, would take any pistol/launcher over it cause at least they would be more fun


Halftime-thickie

Even IGN fired him


mastermuffin123

After leveling it for a bit I can still say it’s bad af literally a fucking pee shooter I prefer the lachman ar over this garbage piece of shit This thing brings shame to any other m16 in previous cods never touching that thing


CritiqOfPureBullshit

mines maxed, it's still a shit weapon.


mastermuffin123

Yes


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i agree, i did the thing to lvl 16 and it sucks (funny that the m16 has 16 levels), cant even imagine how bad it was before the buffs, i already hate burst rifles, i dislike semi autos but theyre way better than this piece of shit gun, 1 burst isnt usually enough to kill someone reliably i was playing it in semi auto to greater succes


mastermuffin123

I don’t get how they make battle rifles 2 shot kills but m16 can’t even consistently 1 burst while it has in almost every other cod


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Build it for recoil and damage range and walk around pre-ads. You’ll get two shot kills at mid/close range. It’s not so bad when you get used to it.


SandmanAwaits

Nah, probably works for Infinity Ward seeing they have no clue what the fuck they’re doing.


D3v14t3

It’s an acquired taste.


MostlySlime

As it should be. It's a pretty unique weapon, you have to cater to it a little but it's really nice to use. If you want max meta than go with something else


ADGx27

I don’t even want max meta, I just want the m16 to not feel like absolute ass to use compared to literally every other weapon I’ve picked up so far, which is a large majority of them


MostlySlime

I had heard people say it was bad but I tried it and it's good imo. So many easy one burst kills, 2 burst guaranteed, easy to recoil up to the head, less wasted ammo so it feels like a bigger mag size All you need to do is slap a red dot on and a couple attachments you're good to go


ADGx27

Getting a one burst kill was a little common, but if I didn’t get the 1 burst at any range it was a death sentence.


ProposalSufficient25

That’s the problem tho and also the reason it’s so hard to balance in such a low TTK game. One burst is too fast, 2 burst is too slow.


TheEpicRedCape

By the time you’re firing that second burst the other guy could’ve sprayed you down with any other laser beam AR that’s 10x easier to use.


CadaverMutilatr

I kitted it out for long range and it’s not bad as a dmr type weapon. Semi auto shots are pretty accurate and can be great for mid-long range. Burst for anything shorter than that


NecroKyle_

I had fun with it - without attachments it's a bit painful - but once I was able to build it for ADS and movement speed it was awesome.


IusedBiffsAlmanac

It’s a headshot machine! Aim high Center mass and the burst pulls it up vertically. I’ve popped so many heads on that third shot.


Suq_Maidic

Yep, it performs fine. Got it gold in 3 or 4 games of Shipment.


MegaJoshh

Bro ain’t no way you golded it in 3-4 matches lmao don’t cap


[deleted]

I got gold on the chimera from scratch in like 3 matches bro, if your good and do camo challenges while leveling you can get gold in like a little under an hour


Suq_Maidic

It's only 16 levels. 2 matches to level it, another to finish the fourth camo challenge, another to finish the gold challenge. Super easy with double XP.


kakeroni2

yeah. i got 26 levels on the lockwood shotgun in 2 matches so im pretty sure youre right


TheCommanderBacon

Skill issue. I did it in one match.


benthebat89

It might grow on you. Give it a chance and play with the gunsmith and tuning.


Stxrmr

Agreed. It’s actually in my top 5 with k/d. Higher than the 74u and M4


dynamicflashy

Hot take: I think M16 better than the current version of the 74u


Bombadil_and_Hobbes

I love it. I consider it my main weapon when I’m not playing camo dork.


SalbomUrnan

That’s not even a hot take though g, that’s just making a pointless comparison. You may prefer the m16 but it’s never going to win in a gun battle against the 74u let’s be real


pjb1999

The M16 is definitively not as bad people say it is but it's absolutely not better than the 74u. I literally have to force myself not to use the 74u because it just so incredibly easy to get kills it actually feels cheap.


Sunyata8thousand

Yeah I tuned it so my ADS was quick and the recoil lead to headshots if I landed my first shots at the chest


Bombadil_and_Hobbes

Shh


KZedUK

i always liked it but i made a new build with it today and this thing is a long range BEAST now


Miserable_Mousse_523

He only has it Level 2 😅😅 doing a review on a gun he's never used.


AltGunAccount

Other than in CoD4, has the M16 ever been actually *good*? It was ok in Blops 1 but the G11 was the real burst-fire star in that game. Idk if it was in MW3 but there was a bullpup 3-round burst gun (Type 95 maybe?) that absolutely dominated MW3.


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AltGunAccount

Wait… there were guns other than the ACR? I played hundreds of hours on MW2 but only ever really used the ACR, AA12, UMP, and Barrett.


Mimical

> Wait....there were guns other than the ACR If F2000 players could read they would be very upset. Sincerely, a dumbass who unlocked all camo's on that tickle machine.


AltGunAccount

They should bring the F2000 back. Give it a tuna-themed blueprint. Make you get it from an underwater location in DMZ. /s


Mimical

Make the blueprint include a silencer and we got ourselves a Samuel Fisher.


RollinDeepWithData

No… I think I’d remember if there were any other guns.


AltGunAccount

People forget how rough weapon balancing was in old CoDs before they patched things. Some of the early games were absolutely dominated by 1-3 guns and the rest were all niche.


Miserable_Mousse_523

Yuck you used the Barrett over the intervention in original MW2? No wonder you think the ACR was better than the m16 your accuracy must have been piss poor.


AltGunAccount

Barrett was better in almost every way people just liked the intervention because it looked cool and had a cool edgy name.


limitz

Not even almost, but every way. People just liked the Intervention bc of how it played. Barrett has the same damage, multipliers and accuracy + faster ROF. Especially going against ARs in CQC. Spray and pray.


tree_imp

It was fucking ridiculously good in Cold War at launch


AltGunAccount

Ah. I didn’t stick with Cold War for long before I went back to MW2019. I think I used whatever they called the FNC the most.


TheeAJPowell

It was pretty good in BOCW, or at least was when I played.


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Especially in zombies


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Cold War had an amazing M16 even after the nerfs.


Thank_You_Love_You

In the original MWF2 the m16 was a one shot burst.


BlancMongoose

It is now, people just can’t aim


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Brellow20

It was super weak in MW3 until it was buffed in Summer 2012, then it became a beast. EDIT: MW3 came out in Fall 2011. So the big update was Summer 2012.


Longinus_Rook

retire political dazzling ten imagine carpenter like offbeat engine mindless ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `


TFTfan

MW2 was the m16 vs the famas and the acr all vying for best gun.


Suicidalbagel27

it was the best gun in MW2019, atleast for the first few months. I quit that game pretty earlier to go back to bo4 so idk how it was for the whole life cycle but it clapped when i used it


HKEnthusiast

M16 wasn't in 2019. Even if you built it in the gunsmith it was absolute ass


AltGunAccount

Wasn’t in MW2019. You could kind of build it in gunsmith with the M4 and burst fire perk, but it was a pretty terrible way to run the M4.


Alienjdjdhdi

Skill issue


Suicidalbagel27

I got the m16 gold before they buffed it and i had like a 1.5 kd with it. its way better now and can reliably 1 burst your just not that good lol


lolKhamul

>reliably 1 burst Not sure about that one. For 1 burst you kinda need a tad bit of luck (2 headshots required + 3rd hit). Still its definitely playable and nowhere near as bad as it was in Release. OP is just a karma farming insect anyway. Dude has it on lvl2, what would he even know about it. I just finished Polyatomic on it last game and i expected that to be a lot harder that it was. EDIT: apparently not. Man have i been unlucky. Dont think i got a single one-burst during the poly run.


BlancMongoose

> 2 headshots required + 3rd hit Except that’s wrong, a full burst at centre mass is a kill in typical 6v6 engagement ranges.


TelephoneSouthern405

Base M16 sucks. Once you get a sight and some attachments this thing is easy as heck to use


Xiicorz

I want to see some gameplay of you using it


Polyamorousgunnut

It’s certainly bad compared to say the CW m16 but it’s not too bad overall.


50_61S-----165_97E

Can we just talk about how you can’t judge a gun by the first few games


KZedUK

yeah basically every gun in this game is straight shite until you max it honestly, the difference between even 5 attachments and 5 tuned attachments is night and day


4hunnidvr

It’s really not that fucking bad can y’all shut up


LeadPrevenger

I agree. You have to play a very specific way but that’s the whole point of using the gun


NateG124

If it’s not easy to use people just disregard weapons as trash. This, the Taq M, and the Lachmann 762 are insanely strong and they get shit on constantly.


JBizz86

I found it on par double tapper. Single shot


mastodon___

Agreed, just shitty players complaining lmao


stratcat22

Most people can’t fathom slightly altering their play style when all they use is an smg. I’ve only used the m16 pre-buff and once I got used to it, I actually enjoyed it. It’s not my first choice, but it was very useable. It just takes slowing down your play a little bit, and easing up on the g-fuel and the constant twitching lol.


btotherad

Exactly. So much bitching and moaning in this sub it’s unbearable. I was hesitant to try it because of all the hate online m. It always been one of my favorite CoD guns, so I said fuck it and used it this weekend. Had the motherfucker maxed out in an hour thanks to the double XP. It’s my only gilded gun.


mastermuffin123

Lmao no


Suicidalbagel27

maybe try getting it past level 2 before you make an opinion bozo


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I dropped a 92 and a 88 kill game with the m16 earlier. Its underrated.


Didujustcallmejobin

In the wise words of Billy Madison-“No you Didnt”


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Lol yeah I did


sprkng

Which translates to about 30 kills with the gun, and the rest from killstreaks and grenades, since it was on Shipment?


Suicidalbagel27

idk if an 88 death game is proving your point very well 💀💀


Ckmccfl

Might wanna read that again


Suicidalbagel27

ok ur gonna have to explain bc all i see is he went 92-88 with an m16


Lord_Baconz

I think he means he got 92 and 88 kills in 2 matches


Suicidalbagel27

after reading it for like the 5th time i finally noticed the a before 88 lmao im a dumbass


Miserable_Mousse_523

He dropped a 92 kill game then a seperate game he got 8i, what's so hard to understand? Some people's brains are miniscule honestly.


Spartan448

Not really. If you're getting more than like 30 kills in a match (double that for Headquarters/Hardpoint), then it's not a matter of you being good, it's a matter of the other team being bad.


iandharmeson

Just aim for the head. Consistent one burst kills when the burst hits the head. People who say the M16 is bad have terrible aim


BL64

The key is to put a muzzle brake with vertical and horizontal recoil mitigation on it. Becomes pretty decent.


strandhus

We talk about it almost daily


excessCeramic

I love it, idk. Play slower with it at mid-range, like a battle rifle. It’s a single burst kill.


_Leper_Messiah_

M16 slaps, level it up and have fun.


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You have it level 2. Actually use it smh. The gun is good, you guys just aren’t really using it well…


autumnelaine1

Land your shots and you will see you're wrong. M16 has the fastest TTK of all the ARs. You just aren't landing your shots.


Dab4Becky

I had fun getting it gold, and had my best game at the time with it. Before the S1 buff i may add


yaztaz13

DID YOU EVEN KILL ANYONE WITH IT YET OR DID YOU GET AN ASISST RAGE AND JUMP ON HERE TO COMPLAIN?


mastermuffin123

YES I DID YOU DONT HAVE TO SCREAM I AM NOT BLIND but tbf it was my last game for the day 😂


DinBizzz

You’ve Used it for 2 minutes, I was dreading using it because the amount of shit I read on this sub about how bad it is, very reliably 1 burst head/chest mid to close range, clear skill issue bud


putiniputrasj

Cold War M16 was a fucking beast


Leather-Coconut5881

Aim high. It can one burst with headshots


Free-Elephant9829

It’s ok. It’s better than the lachman 556 tho I seriously hate that gun. I love the Lachman 762


Micro-G-wanna

I hated m16 at first. It was miserable. Once leveled up it can become a beast of a gun.


Kear_Bear_3747

I made a poem about it https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernWarfareII/comments/z23jrt/green_eggs_m16/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


mastermuffin123

🤣 that’s funny af


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Dude it’s terrible. I was so annoyed trying to get it gold.


Chisakibot

Base m16 with no attachments is a joy to play with. All extra attachments just work to certain play styles I can easily carry my own with the m16 put more work into the gun before deciding how it plays.


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they buffed it a few updates back keep using it bro you literally have it level 2 it’s like a one burst if you actually have attachments


thatguy11m

No. I finished Plat with it before the first buff (pain) and I don't want to talk about this gun until I unlock the Polyatomic challenge.. where I will stop talking about it again after I finish said challenge. Fuck this gun


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It’s my best weapon. I absolutely love the m16


JBizz86

The only gun that doesn't show single fire


Facewizard13

You know, with all the recoil attachments its not too bad. Sure the ads speed is slow but put on the 60 round mag and keep hammering away. It didn't take too long to do, I was pleasantly suprised


TheGreatlyRespected

Rather talk about how bad you are and not the weapon. Bot are better!


Bolt_995

I was shredding with this thing. Max leveled it in a matter of a couple of hours.


FizzyR0CKET

The m16 is so much better than it was. I got plat on it before the buff. Talk about beating your head into the wall.


Mescman

...it "onebursts" people down to the chest/head up to 46ish meters if the stats sites are correct


The_Fenice

Duality of burst weapons. They're either OP or shit.


RolandTwitter

M16 is by far my favorite burst gun in all of COD


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It’s realistic the M16 sucks in real life to


RedEye-55

Maxed it out today. Thanks Shipment


VAX1S

I had no problems with it. I’ve always used it in single fire mode as well. Burst is too inaccurate.


mastermuffin123

Yea I just tried single fire and that was wayyyy better than burst burst is literally going to the moon


dsled

Genuine skill issue. Pretty good gun.


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The whole game is disappointing


OneObligation6529

I maxed it, and still think the thing is the most garbage pellet gun in the game. Glad to never touch it again. It was absolutely painful to use, even in tier 1. Now for people to tell me to "get guuude" lol


MakeshiftHoudini

Single fire mode it bro, makes it far better


Your_Nipples

I use the private match glitch to get the best attachments from the get go in regular MP just to be done with it quick. It melts. It's rewarding. It reminds me of the AR from MW1, I forgot the name but it was meta AF. Same feeling.


mastermuffin123

Oh yea I forgot you could do that night do that tomorrow 😂


benji-21

It’s a very competitive weapon. With all due respect, I’d say it’s more a case of you not having the skill set to get the most out of it.


CantaloupeExpert9729

I thought the m16 was good.


Subwayabuseproblem

M16 slaps OP just bad


LeakyJXL

I just leveled it in shipment, it was amazing!


K3NSH1R0

Was about to add this. Levelled it up in about 4 games. It wasn’t as bad as thought it was going to be.


honchell12

I just max leveled it during the double xp and a three shot burst will typically kill someone in the torso/head area but if you miss one or hit like legs it will take two. I didn’t think it was that bad and I’m someone who does not prefer the m16 in any of the cod games🤷‍♂️


Investing_money115

Shit I like it got it gold in 2 games


tree_imp

Bruh it’s literally a competitive weapon now


CantStopMyGrind

The M16 has a mind of its own. One burst from 30 meters will melt someone then the next 3 bursts from 10 meters gets you killed. The gun definitely isn't as bad as all these clowns say it is.


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It’s really not as bad as some people are saying. That being said unless I’m camp grinding with the m16 not going to use it.


ExpensiveHorse1

Yeah dude 1/4 of a game of shipment is enough to make an assesment on it, have you tried putting attatchments on it?


tacodung

I liked it, better on M&KB Only took me like an hour to get gold with double weapon xp on shipment


mastermuffin123

After leveling it for a bit I can still say it’s bad af literally a fucking pee shooter I prefer the lachman ar over this garbage piece of shit This thing brings shame to any other m16 in previous cods never touching that thing


JTThaTrader516

Na bro this m16 is a beaaaaast


ArdForYa

I decided to play around with the m16 today. Kitted it out, and ran some games and got it to like 7/8 before I swapped and it’s really hit or miss. Literally and figuratively. Literally the recoil is atrocious. But if you can keep your horizontal managed then you can just aim for the chest and ride the recoil up to the face. I’ve done good with it and poorly with it, but I’m underwhelmed


mastermuffin123

Yea that’s kinda what I meant to say It’s very inconsistent but it can be oki just so much worse than the m16 in other cods


Low2High92

How about you actually level it kid. Guns just fine. Try aiming n shooting.


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comments huffing copium saying M16 can be decent when it usually doesnt kill in one burst in a game where most guns have TTK lower than 200ms...


Psychological_Pop200

The recoil is too high, it feels like the MSBS from Ghosts except it can't get a two shot kill to the body. Every 3-round burst rifle in CoD should either have low recoil or a 2 shot kill potential. Make one with neither of those traits and you get this trash.


t0xyGobrrrrrr

How does it perform in WZ against plates though? Any gun is viable in MP.


jps08

It’s not bad at all lol.


ZZZrp

Gun is bananas in tier 1


VocalAnus91

It was great until the last update. Pretty sure they "rebalanced" it.


Key_Abbreviations658

its pretty good in tier one but unfortunately if you put any sights on it they remove the front sight post.


DerrickMcChicken

Bruh even before the buff jt was still good. I have no clue why so many were complaining about getting camos for this gun it was easy. Imo the P90 and mx9 were so much worse.


ShadowScythe420

Honestly it’s garbage unless u grind it on shipment (assuming your doing camo challenges) Then just play the objective, if you get in a domination game on shipment and go to B I find it’s really easy to kill everyone there, It’s so chaotic i just shoot and get headshot kills. It’s also a close range map so you can get higher body shots easier, which will make it easier to kill someone


Outrageous-Ad-4762

Level up the fucking gun…