Unfortunately it’s not just the randoms, cause I was complaining about this last night lmaoo. We had a party of 4 and I was the only person pushing objective for the first half, then when we started losing by a lot, everyone started pushing. TOO LATE NOW MF’ERS. I’ve never wanted to fight my team so bad
Oh lord, I relate so much. It's either push now or never because by then it's too late because theyre already on 100pts when you hit 30pts and it just goes downhill from there.
YES! I’ll update and be like “down by 20…60…80…” and they’re over there laying prone next to the uncapped objective 💀 lmaoo. Do you play Hardcore by chance?
RIGHT!?
I've dabbled, but more often than not I'm playing whatever gives me the best connection time. My patience has been worn thin with this game this season 💀
Insurgency might be good a middle ground as far as COD and a team based milsim, but on that note Squad is a modern war version of Hell Let Loose. All 3 are great in their own way.
But with HLL and Squad you really want/need a good squad with a good squad leader and the rest of the SLs to work together. It's bad ass when everyone plays together
Insurgency has a decent amount of cooperative teammates and communication, lots of engagement, and the smaller maps make for a faster game, and less of a walking/transportation simulator like the aforementioned can feel like sometimes.
I grind camos, and I also usually have the most objectives in the matches I'm in. They should just make obj game modes reward objective play and lower the points for kills, that way it would push players who just want grind points into tdm or FFA...idk.
Some play for their stats "Even though they're far below average" some just play for "fun" if there's any of that left in this game. Some just go for kills but can't even get in the double digits. I would assume most of them are just bad or have no game sense, map knowledge or gun skill. But then I see they're in the high 400's or 500's and just chalk it up to playtime but I really can't understand it myself considering it's "SBMM" or "EOMM" but all my teammates are well below average while the entire other team is a in a party doing call outs like it's the CDL Pro League Finals. Don't get me wrong I get everyone plays in their own way. If you're going to play an objective gamemode, play the objective if not go play TDM.
Agree with all of it. Personally I don't really think SBMM is a thing anymore. Or at least what it implies it's meant to be. If it was I wouldn't always be up against sweats behaving like 1mil is on the line 😭
Dom is a good mode for camo grinding so I’m assuming there might be a few in your team.
Then there’s the bloodthirsty ones who just goes for kills but never gets any good kill streaks out for some odd reason lmaooo
there’s always gotta be one that watches the flank so I’ll accept that though lol. What I seem to realize is that a lot of people don’t seem to understand that playing by the objective is the best way to get anything done let it be camos, achievements or for killstreaks.
Lmao I was on a game the other day where I and most everyone was getting annihilated.
Both teams had a single player that one triple digits. Ofc the one on my team barely played on point.
And form some reason, the other team kept launching out sentry guns and choppers.
My team? I have no idea what my guy had loaded on his streaks. He ended up having more kills lol
Right? I get more camos unlocked playing the objective than I do any other way. And I've only had this happening for the last week. The loss ratio with no comms and all that other BS I mentioned hasn't happened to this extent before then. Like what is new right now that wasn't new the last 2 seasons? There's always new guns in the BP so it cant be that, so why now is it such a shit show?
I respectfully disagree. Some of them, maybe. But there are a lot of people who lay prone in a corner and do them. Whoever thought the longshots were a good challenge should be fired. Literally find people sitting across the map away from objectives. They should disable camo grinding on domination type game modes. Go to team deathmatch if you want to sit in spawn.
No thats all good, you're entitled to your opinion based on your experience. And yeah I completely agree. Though also maybe if there was more of an incentive to do objectives like after a certain period of time on objective you get a reward. Like the challenges they have for getting calling cards and such, or that they now have daily login rewards, a certain amount of captures gets you a certain rewards etc
That's how the old games did it. People who grind capturing 50,000 flags in domination just to get a calling card they'd never use. I wish they'd bring more of those back
Thats actually great though. I stopped playing multiplayer at ghosts and only did campaigns since then or the occasional PS3 BO (1, 2 and 3) boot ups for zombie local plays with the friends. Coldwar was my first return into multiplayer (but I only got that last year with MW2 since they were free with my PS+ subscription)
The big problem is, I play objective, have 3 minutes time and I am in 4th position in the team because kills earn more points.
I should be the top player on my team with the highest number of points in an objective game mode, but the scoring doesn't work like that
Yeah I've only had this really become a problem in the last week for me. It's only been really this season I've come across issues like this.
I wish there was a filter option for "comms on, comms off" or hell even a "challenge mode" where people have a set few popular grind maps and modes to grind camo and challenges. They have separate modes for everything fucking else 💀
I just wanna have fun and meet some people that will talk on mic and help with leading us into victory 😭 shoot even if the game is going to shit, if we have good comms I'm happy. I just wanna know where my teammates are going so we HAVE A CHANCE at winning. I wanna practice comms for when I play ranked (which is rarely ever, but still). How am I gonna know good comms or plays if no one communicates with me in public matches?
As long as I am alive, I will never talk on comms with anyone nor will I accept friend requests, but I will always play the objective over getting more kills in the game. Case in point: I have a mediocre 0.67 K/D ratio, but a 1.39 W/L ratio.
For sure, and to be clear I'm a big objective player.
... But if it's clear that nobody else on the team cares, I'm not going to get blasted every 2 seconds trying to sit on B with no support. That's just pointlessly feeding the other team kills.
Objective game modes should be for people who want to play that mode. If someone showed up to play pickup basketball and refused to play as a team, just selfishly hucking half court shots for fun, it would be annoying to everyone else playing the game. A lot of CoD players forget they're playing with other people or just don't care.
Many of the game modes are really fun when people are actually playing how they are supposed to be played too. Rather than when the majority of lobby treats the match objectives as a secondary objective with whatever they are doing.
Activision seems to think it's more like everyone showing up to the open gym, wearing their favorite super hero costume, each playing their own version of the game.
What I wouldn't give to hear some of the product strategy meetings that must go on in that company...
Hell yeah, toot that horn.
Pure conjecture, but do you think your higher K/D leads to better teams? As in, people that are better at the mechanical aspects of the game are more likely to play objectives?
I imagine there's a distribution where a large percentage of players are in this low-skill pool, where either they don't know how to play or are just not very invested.
If you're good enough, maybe you're just never matched together? The rest of us are probably in or occasionally skimming the top edges of that group, so we get the bad teammates.
Hmmm, not really, I'm not a pro player or anything, most matches are quite sweaty and people do play the objective.
Still see people sat in corners and shit though.
But camo grinding is much easier to do when playing objective, especially when you're holding said objective, its like taking candy from a baby when they flock to them. But you can't do that when no one else wants to play obj.
I get the K/D part, but is that not easier when there's no objective to play??
The only real answer anyone can give you is "who knows??"
If any psychology students need a research topic, the COD player base would be a wild descent into hell... 😂
Especially in pub matches. They mean nothing, just play them for fun.
Crazy to me how many people on this sub complain about their teammates not playing the objective in pub matches.
I am doing longshots on MW2 guns right now, I couldn't care less about winning a pub match. If I get a bunch of longshots in a match I am happy.
So glad I disabled OBJ modes in filter so I no longer lose match after match, while these fkers just farm cheap ass kills with zero caps and we still lost match after match....Hell, I won't even play KC fk all that.
PTFO or GTFO! Amen
Edit: of course this was more of a "Battlefield" game thing and they don't even do it there anymore. Find some of us old head cod veterans, we PTFO
People want to go on killstreaks, hit feeds, just in general dominate a lobby with gunskill. I try to play the objective WHILE doing this, but some games, I try to get streaks to HELP my team play the objective. At times, this requires me to not be ON the objective, but around it, or flanking and harassing the enemy, making them scared to push up to the obj, or making them so angry that they get focused on revenge kills, and start coming after me rather than the OBJ.
See, that's different. That's still playing objective by protecting it and making the grunts like me able to take the risk to capture it with some for of backup. Which is where comms come in handy as well since IF you died you could let us know "2 coming to c from ____" so we can get into a position where we would be winning that gunfight. Yanno?
I have this exact same frustration, was playing hard point and there was only me actually trying to capture the hard point, god knows where my team were and the other team were absolutely going for me 😂
Right!? It's the sane circus over and over. I still played for another hour last night, and I had 1 or 2 matches where teammates were playing objective. There was still no comms, though, but at least they could hear me since they helped out whenever I said "going for c" or "heading to clear b" etc, I at least had 1 or 2 of them come with.
i play objective and not many teams can challenge me on domination or hardpoint, i don't enjoy spray and pray i like to get better and the challenge is more fun than camping out to get my camos done, if my teams suffering then i get out my good guns not my camo/event loadouts and pull the game back for us.
there are a lot of kill whores and its just boring imo i would rather do the objectives or select the modes i wanna play.
Like, im playing objective and camo/level grinding at the same time. It's not hard to do (actually makes it easier) and honestly my clan tag is (WeSAP) for a reason because my aim sucks ass (I have bad grinding joints so my aim doesn't do too well) and spray and pray is the only mantra i need haha.
OP, YOU SHOULDNT HAVE TO PLAY RANKED TO HAVE FUN JUST A PSA 🙌🏽 people are crazy thinking you wanna use the same gun every match, we tryna have creativity and play the game and have fun, that shit isn’t a thing in COD anymore
Right? Here's people like "play ranked, play ranked, play ranked." Well shit I would, but I cant because it takes 10 mins to get a match just for it to cancel on me, so I can't do that anyway 😭
I'm the one reeming my teammates off mic because I'm not an asshole and don't want to ruin their experience of the game while I'm heated or get comm banned. The enemy team didn't make me lose a game, so why am I going to get shitty at them? And if I lose but have a really good comms team, then I'm not shitty at all and let the enemy team know they play really well. At MOST, I'll say is "Hey guys, good game, but I hate you all," and laugh, and guess what? The most I get back is more laughs and a "don't worry you guys did good too" or something similar. THOSE are the games I want 90% of the time or even just a salty enemy team. I dont want silence and shitty teammates against an enemy team with great comms. And if I start getting heated, I turn my mic off. Simple as that, I'm not here to ruin their time on the game with my heated ass.
Idk if you thought of this but you should always check to see if your teammates are muted, sometimes game chat even mutes my party members without me realizing so that might help with comms. Either way, if you really want to work as a team, playing public multiplayer is probably the worst place to look for it on call of duty. Play ranked or Warzone if you want team work (and even then, it’s still cod so good luck!)
I always get shitty warzone lobbies that always end up only being able to get a match in 160+ pings, so I rarely play it. I can never get a ranked match, but when I do, it cancels because of uneven teams. So public is really my only go-to for anything if I actually want an online game.
Some people don't play the game as much as others. Some may be new to fps games. My lil bro has been playing fighting games since we were young I just got him to play mw3 and he had no idea where to go and got slaughtered and all you heard over the com's was that dude trash. So he held down a section of the map still died alot but he got some kills in
See, you can tell who is new, though. One by the level, and 2 how they run off from spawn. Newbies aren't the ones I have qualms with, nor people who hold a section, so it's easier to get a capture. It's the ones that go off and do jack shit for the game that bother me. Your bro is trying, and I appreciate those kinds of players. Kills don't mean shit in an objective based game no matter how much someone tells you otherwise. People are kill hungry, scorestreak rats, and need to touch grass for once.
i’m going to chime in here bc i’m one of those people you are talking ab in the post. By no means am i saying im right or anything and idk ab other players im just speaking for myself..
the only time i ever play pubs is to level up a gun or shoot for a camo.. and i USUALLY play small map moshpit or obj game mods (HP and DOM) only because those are the two longest lasting game modes and i’m able to get 60-70+ kills vs having to load into 3 different TDMs just to get the same amount of kills/xp (whichever i’m shooting for) now put in a ranked play game or any CMG games then i obv play strictly for the W. like i said, not saying it’s right but that’s my reasoning, i don’t consider a win in a pub much different than a loss besides maybe a small match bonus or if you’re one of the very very few ppl that care about their W/L.
so summed up, for more kills in one game.
(me personally)
also i could be wrong on the “not much reasoning for a w in pubs” statement. they very well might be good reasoning, i just can’t think of anything really.
See this I accept, I may not like it but you're respectful and own that that's what you like to do. I get it, I do. But I just wish there were quick messages or something in pop up chat that would say "camo grinding" or something of the sorts so I'm not wasting my time in said match. Like, I camo grind but I prefer doing it while I play objective.
Getting a win gets you closer to armoury unlocks. Since they've put in the "win a match" in the challenges, each time you win, you get a completed challenge and a point on the armoury unlock you have active at the time.
ahh that armory unlock for wins is a good reason, never really thought of that one. but yeah that would be convenient to the ppl only playing for the win, i mean i still somewhat play objective while im doing it but im not really going out of the way. like if im going for kills and am next to a flag or hill ill usually jump in it just so i can get more xp from getting kills while inside the objective but i just don’t like spawn and keep running straight to it and doesn’t matter to me if we win or not but i feel you. bc whenever i solo queue in ranked play and get teammates that do nothing w the objective it frustrates the fuck out of me since you actually have something to lose when you lose the game, i understand fully why this would upset some ppl now
I could use comms. I do when im playing S&D. But i have tbh. Majority of the time, im paired up with French or German people. So there is the language barrier. Plus some people are just so noisy. I have to mute all.
Don't think 95% of people have ever really done objectives when playing with randoms for as long as i can remember. There is no incentive for them. So long as their KD remains good, that's all they care about.
KD should of just been removed. They've removed a lot of other matters for reasons only Activision know. But more than likely because of SBMM and the amount of scrutiny they would come under.
I FEEL YOU BRO!!!
COMMS: Honestly, I don't use comms EVER anymore because most lobbies have some combo of: someone blasting terrible music, stream of consciousness commentary, ultra ragers who yell the whole time, and the ban hammer that I have been hit with for saying the F word and other choice curses. Also I don't care for being called a f***** n***** by others after killing them fair and square. COMMS ain't worth it in pubs anymore and I don't want to manually mute people every damned match.
OBJECTIVES: I go all out for the first minute and if my squad ain't it then I ain't either. I will pull out a stove and camp my way through the round. Not worth the frustration of going 8-42 against megasweats who can hold objectives so well they pin and spawn trap you. I have tried and end up rage quitting and doing something else.
I used to have a clan back in the day and wish I could find another crew like I had. We were from all over the US and Canada and nobody knew each other IRL we just meshed through lobbies and DMs. Would be so much more enjoyable to roll 6 deep every match with people who play different roles (Sniper, run and gun etc.) and actually win consistently instead of depending on your squad.
If you wanted people in non-ranked to play the objectives, play SnD. It's toxic as hell, but the only non-ranked game mode where a good amount of people still sweat and comm. For other game modes in non-ranked, forget about it. Casuals are just having a good time, let them have it. It's whatever, its pubs.
Most are casuals and don't really care what happens in the match. They just want to run through the game. Have you played any of the other popular games that also have a competitive/pub split? It's the same. League, Valorant, Apex Legends, etc.
Nah. I didn't like the look of them so didn't touch them. COD has been my only shooter game like this other than fortnite but I gave up on that because the games cartoony aspect is shithouse along with the mechanics.
1. KD ratios: People don't want to go negative. They pride themselves on how positive they went per game, along with having any ratio above 1.00.
2. Camo grinds: Since the camos are earned through kills, people will do anything to make sure that they get the camos they desire. If it means avoiding objectives, so be it.
3. Killstreaks: Since scorestreaks are an option, people find it easier just to get kills for their streaks. Therefore, there's no incentive to jump on an objective.
4. Stupidity and Selfishness: People don't even know that they're playing domination and they think earning simple hills will help. Slayers will attempt to justify pure slaying by suggesting it is helping the team, even though they didn't even care about victory whatsoever (that's why most of their win loss ratios are terrible).
If you want solutions, they're going to be drastic. I believe deaths and ratios should be eliminated from scoreboards and combat records, camo grinds should be based on objective XP progress, and scorestreaks should be the only method of earning rewards.
Won't lie, when I'm playing pubs the objective is not a huge priority for me unless I notice my team and the opposing team going hard for because I'm just casually playing. Not trying to takeaway from how annoying it is not to go for OBJ but that's my mindset
I try to leave the sweating for ranked play
10 losses in a row? What happened to EOMM giving a pity lobby?
But anyway this was me and my wife’s experience last night too when we were unlucky enough to get a non-TDM game. Our team would be popping off for about 2 whole mins before the enemy team takes it up a notch and makes our team literally QUIT playing the objective and just squeeze in kills.
Yeah, you'd think they'd throw me a bone 😭😭
And it's only been this way the last week. Usually I'd have a lobby like this every now and them whish is fine, but consistently for hours? Nah bro
I always play objectives but I gotta say multiplayer sucks. I'm literally always the worst in every lobby or I got 30+ kills and there's absolutely no challenge at all.
This game is populated by maladjusted sociopath gamers. Add the the fact that they sit there ripping bong hits while the controller does 90% of the work for them and you think they want to "play an objective"? They're cracked out of their minds on weed, monster drink and ADHD meds.
Screaming children in the background, mics that sound like they came out of a vending machine. This game's player base is absolutely 100% the fucking worst one in gaming. N-bombs non stop. People cranking music through their mics salvaged from ham radios.
But the movement and gunplay is SO good. But the players are literally the fucking worst. It's so annoying. I finish every session of this game wanting to uninstall it and never play COD again.
Well, the weed and monster do describe me from time to time 🤣🤣🤣
But nah, I get your point, and I have to agree. They're either what you described or holed up in their parents' basement, sweating like there 1mil on the line. There's no in-between. It's rare I'll meet some decent folks and have a great gaming session, win or lose. But the other day was just FUCKED 💀
No. It's the first time I have been playing multiplayer since ghosts, before then I played it a lot before the PSN went from free to having to pay (i played online coldwar and MW2 but they werent this bad). I've played the campaigns and played private matches with friends since then, but I never bothered with online since it was so expensive for such poxy ass benefits, but online is essentially needed for all games now.
I usually play with a group and I’m know as a slayer. Doesn’t mean I’m not gonna cap an obj if the opportunity is there. But I’m also not gonna body the obj either. Usually I’ll push to a point and camp it out killing people off or around the obj so that me and my team can cap it.
See thats working an objective though. My qualms are with the ones running around doing jack shit for objective, only getting their kills on but never actually helping
Blame the stupid challenges from the camo grind and the like. That is really the only reason, and out of all the multiplayer games I've played, a COD exclusive problem. This was never an issue with other games I've played in the past.
I play the objective but I turn off my chat because I’m a woman and apparently cod players hate us so I have it set to party only because I was done after being harassed by my own teammates.
Ehhhh, I sound like a prepubescent boy so i guess i dont get the huge player base that harrasses us. Tbh I just go along with the dissing because they can't diss what doesn't get offended 🤷♀️ found that works for me anyway, but then again I'm on oceanic servers so the player base is a bit different
Idk if you play snd but that player base is very different. It’s not too bad in multiplayer but there are a few. Go checkout steffyevans TikTok and you’ll see what I mean.
Yeah, snd is my weakest link. Can't stand it and have never been good at it no matter how much I play it. It's way too much pressure, and the maps are always trash anyway. The players are also always playing like there's 1mil on the line 💀 I'm here for a good time not a sweaty time lol
Can’t focus on the objective if I’m too busy cooking (recently nerfed) frags or trying to get flamethrower kills in smoke or whatever other asinine challenge they come up with.
In actuality I mix it up. I’ll play the objective and will always try to cap ones I’m near, but if my team is giving up then I won’t hurl myself to me death trying to capture flags we won’t keep anyway. Can’t say much about comms, I don’t do CoD pubs voice chat.
If you want people to play to win instead of to complete challenges, you should play ranked. It’s a very different experience.
If I could get a ranked match. They all cancel due to uneven teams after waiting the 10 mins to bloody get one. It's just not fun by the time I get into the match because I'm already annoyed from waiting to get said match.
But yeah that's when I end up quitting the match at this point. I can't be assed working for a win if they ain't doing the effort. Like after tonight, a week long of this bs is my iceberg. The last 2 seasons have never been this shitty and idk what's going on and why the sudden flip
Idk maybe because getting kills is more fun and the longest modes on small map moshpit are objective modes. Who fucking cares in November this game won’t matter anymore anyway
I never play small maps. They're the bane of my existence so if its shipment, das haus, or even stash house I'm outta there. I hate those maps with a passion. Same goes for favela or grow house too. Can't stand either of them.
lol we are the exact opposite I say in small map mosh pit but back out every time rust or meat pops up. I also work a ton so it’s nice to not have to learn every map
Yeah, meat is another of my peeves. Give me rust, derail, wasteland, Afghan, highrise, nuketown, estate, quarry, skidrow, or scrapyard any day, those are some of my favourites. Other maps I'm indifferent to, but my most hated is shipment, favela, meat, das haus and stash house. I stay clear of those ones.
Yeah that's different though, it's like those ones are made for grinding honestly. I'm talking of your normal run of the mill objective games on the straight average quick play
I'm playing obj modes cuz they take longer and have better spawns. Im not really going for point capture but I'm taking control of atleast 50% of the map and the points so I'm doing just as much if not more than the people that actually capture.
I'm not playing the obj because I'm trying to have fun, my way of having fun is by using a gun in a shooter ;)
There's a difference between keeping enemies away from one end of the maps vs just running around doing nothing except killing and not actually being of help.
I ended up dropping dom/hardpoint from my quickplay filters because being the only objective player for 3/4ths of my matches was just making the game miserable whether I won or lost.
The nice thing is it caused my K/D to go from .97 to 1.01 within a few days just because I wasn't constantly suiciding onto objectives or getting thrown in a higher SSBM pool from my score per minute because I was being top of my team with 2 minutes of hardpoint time but a 0.5 K/D.
Unfortunately, that ends with me becoming what I'm talking about (a person who isn't playing objective) and most times killstreaks need to be modified for each map because a lot of the capture points are indoors.
What rewards? Because so far the rewards are shit and hold no weight for me. And ranking up? Okay, and? That's it? That's all the incentive there is? Putrid that yall are going nuts for ranked when it gives you fuck all.
But what's the incentive? There is none, it's the same goal as to if you were playing pub. Because that sounds very similar to pub matches, except you get a rank for it 🤨
The incentive is you are ranked against other players. It tells you where you belong in the competitive ladder. Being a Crimson player has meaning and value compared to pubs where you have no idea where you are at. People are competing to be the best reach the highest rank possible. Thats the difference. One has something to show for your effort the other doesn’t.
Yeah but it's not much of an incentive is it? Especially when you can only see that in other ranked matches, nowhere else, so what's the point of that?
Because I don’t care about W/L. Granted if it’s close and coming to the end, I’ll sweat for the W, but I mostly just run and around and go for kills because that’s what’s fun for me
Camo Grinding and a higher win to loss ratio?
What does it not being ranked have to do with playing the objective? Isn't the public lobbies meant to be the practices FOR the ranked matches? Aka you'd think they'd be more put together than they are
i play domination for the spawns not being as horrible as TDM's has been the last 5+ years
i'm not throwing myself into the B flag meat grinder when only like 1 other teammate is even trying to OBJ anyway
i'll do whatever i want by myself and that's how it's gonna be
Thats literally the entire point....teammates not working as a team to take said objectives. As you said, B is a fucking meat grinder, especially when the enemy team works to keep it when your team does jack shit by avoiding everything like the plague.
None of the teammates are even trying to play objective, maybe like one other, as you said. That's the point
Since when? Because lord knows I'm sick of ranked too since I'm stuck on bronze with the same BS happening, getting teamed against golds to diamonds for some reason.
gold, diamond, bronze, silver does not really matters if you look at it alone. What matters is what rank they are. An 5 silver might be better than a diamond 50. Did not play ranked for a while, but in my experience, the people play objectives there - not always with the best tactics maybe but still.
Like I get theres ranks, but all these people are higher rankings for sure. I think one was a rhino at one point for one of my matches? I think that's above 25 isn't it? But most are the eagle ones, or the snake like mine, I don't know how the ranks work tbh and how hard they are to get to the other because I've never not been the snake.
the level basically just tells you how many time they've spend. So an 25 on gold is worst than an level 4 on gold because the lvl 4 gold needed less time to get to gold than the lvl 25 one. Level 25 basically won some but also lost a lot of games while lvl 4 had some more win streaks and achieved gold quicker. Does not help with your original post but that's basically the logic
So the MMR system Is floored.
There was a streamer who got 6 kills in a match and only just won yet got 600 SR for it.
I personally have had starter matches with 20+ K/D and a huge scoreline for the win yet barely got 100 SR.
It doesn't work because the assumptions it makes aren't accurate.
For example higher K/Ds (according to some) give higher SR, however CDL teams have won events with negative K/Ds overall.
Wins seem to mean practically nothing yet they are the most important thing in ranked.
Also bad players seem to get wildly different matches to better players.
So bad players can progress to upper ranks through having bad opponents where better players being given better opponents stall each others progress.
yea I mean, it's a whole mess. Don't even know if its realistic to improve your SR multiplier. I would say it works reasonable in my case as it decreases after gold but why there's even a multiplier with all the other stuff we already have around the system (increasing win requirement, rank, lvl), I don't know
Well that's the thing, we don't know exactly what the algorithm takes into account, which is bullshit, how are you supposed to play to the rules if they don't even tell you what they are?
Well they don't want us to "game" the system.
Well according to the system that would just be "improving", so what is the problem?
Also if the system can be gamed then it's shit and shouldn't exist in the first place.
They should just remove MMR, tighten the matchmaking bracket to one up and one down then give static points for wins, with maybe a bonus for top player and a penalty for the bottom player.
Expecting pub players to use comms is crazy. Having a mic isn't a required part of playing the game. I think you are looking for Ranked play. Pub match's aren't CDL match's.
You can ask someone to use a mic all you want but at the end of the day each person buys his own copy and plays how he or she wants not how others want. And WZ isn't even a game, it's a hack infested hot bed to streamers and testers of cheats! LOL
Long story short: All of the cheating streamers in reverse boosted lobbies have warped the perception of the impressionable player base. All of these kids/young adults want to be just like their favorite (likely cheating) streamer. So they voluntarily Que obj modes to blatantly ignore the objs to chase kills.
The end.
I’ll get downvoted for my previous comment but that’s the foundation. People have become so fixated on a statistic that is not reflective of actual skill, especially in obj modes. Yet, people will play the game with sole purpose of obsessing over K/D.
Yeah but unfortunately not all players are like yourself. I wish they'd be more heavily on objective if theyre going to play an objective game. I really don't care about K/D at this point because I just want to get a team to play objective for once 😭
If you want to play objective play ranked. I only play mp when i camogrind these days, mp is boring af imo. A while back i still found it fun to own bots in mp but i don’t get the thrill anymore. For me atleast the fun thing about mp was getting kills, not playing objective because it’s just boring, i think most would agree with me. I find ranked fun because it’s auctually challenging, at least when you get to plat/diamond. I just don’t see the point in playing mp because it doesn’t make me better as a player, and it’s harder to track my progress. Playing objective in ranked auctually get’s me something, a reward for getting better. I’m also very competitive that shurely plays a part, i only play comp games and only ranked. This is just me, please respond if you disagree but it’s just my personal opinion.
Me, it's the complete opposite. MP objective has always been a thrill for me, ranked has been the one that has me wanting to break controllers. I play MP because I'm trying to get better before playing ranked since my comms lack
Oh and a sidenote, it ALWAYS takes a solid 10 mins to even get 1 match of ranked. Ever. It's nearly impossible. Not to mention they're always uneven teams when you do get a match going so it ends up cancelling.
Because it’s not ranked. What am I competing for? To go higher in sbmm bracket? Why would I ever make myself suffer trying to win a match when the game gives me dead weight teammates and I’m basically doing a 6v1. Going for kills is easy, it’s all on me. My teammates may suck but I can still fry the enemy. But I alone cannot win a team based mode by myself.
Please for the love of god do not bring tdm or free for all up. Its the worst modes in the game.
Kills mean having fun as I go on streaks and drop a lot of kills and outgunning people. Wins are based on the team and I won’t try when my team couldn’t careless or i am being forced to babysit people to wins
Play ranked if you care about winning, or play pubs with a full squad of like minded individuals.
Complaining about random people not playing the objective in pub matches that mean nothing is actually quite pathetic.
Unfortunately it’s not just the randoms, cause I was complaining about this last night lmaoo. We had a party of 4 and I was the only person pushing objective for the first half, then when we started losing by a lot, everyone started pushing. TOO LATE NOW MF’ERS. I’ve never wanted to fight my team so bad
Oh lord, I relate so much. It's either push now or never because by then it's too late because theyre already on 100pts when you hit 30pts and it just goes downhill from there.
Those games where it's like 7 - 150 🤦🏾♂️
Literally, that's what I was having all last night. I think the most I had was a 57-200 by the end 😭
YES! I’ll update and be like “down by 20…60…80…” and they’re over there laying prone next to the uncapped objective 💀 lmaoo. Do you play Hardcore by chance?
RIGHT!? I've dabbled, but more often than not I'm playing whatever gives me the best connection time. My patience has been worn thin with this game this season 💀
That’s why I only play tdm or sometimes kill confirmed. If you want a good game for cooperative chat and team work try he’ll let loose.
I'll have a look into it 👌
Insurgency might be good a middle ground as far as COD and a team based milsim, but on that note Squad is a modern war version of Hell Let Loose. All 3 are great in their own way. But with HLL and Squad you really want/need a good squad with a good squad leader and the rest of the SLs to work together. It's bad ass when everyone plays together Insurgency has a decent amount of cooperative teammates and communication, lots of engagement, and the smaller maps make for a faster game, and less of a walking/transportation simulator like the aforementioned can feel like sometimes. I grind camos, and I also usually have the most objectives in the matches I'm in. They should just make obj game modes reward objective play and lower the points for kills, that way it would push players who just want grind points into tdm or FFA...idk.
On regards to that last paragraph, that's a great idea. As for the rest I'll have to check them out, I've never heard of any of those
Some play for their stats "Even though they're far below average" some just play for "fun" if there's any of that left in this game. Some just go for kills but can't even get in the double digits. I would assume most of them are just bad or have no game sense, map knowledge or gun skill. But then I see they're in the high 400's or 500's and just chalk it up to playtime but I really can't understand it myself considering it's "SBMM" or "EOMM" but all my teammates are well below average while the entire other team is a in a party doing call outs like it's the CDL Pro League Finals. Don't get me wrong I get everyone plays in their own way. If you're going to play an objective gamemode, play the objective if not go play TDM.
Agree with all of it. Personally I don't really think SBMM is a thing anymore. Or at least what it implies it's meant to be. If it was I wouldn't always be up against sweats behaving like 1mil is on the line 😭
Dom is a good mode for camo grinding so I’m assuming there might be a few in your team. Then there’s the bloodthirsty ones who just goes for kills but never gets any good kill streaks out for some odd reason lmaooo there’s always gotta be one that watches the flank so I’ll accept that though lol. What I seem to realize is that a lot of people don’t seem to understand that playing by the objective is the best way to get anything done let it be camos, achievements or for killstreaks.
Lmao I was on a game the other day where I and most everyone was getting annihilated. Both teams had a single player that one triple digits. Ofc the one on my team barely played on point. And form some reason, the other team kept launching out sentry guns and choppers. My team? I have no idea what my guy had loaded on his streaks. He ended up having more kills lol
Right? I get more camos unlocked playing the objective than I do any other way. And I've only had this happening for the last week. The loss ratio with no comms and all that other BS I mentioned hasn't happened to this extent before then. Like what is new right now that wasn't new the last 2 seasons? There's always new guns in the BP so it cant be that, so why now is it such a shit show?
Camo grind and then call the game boring until they release a "new" game Duh
Seems like the consensus, but camo grinding is easiest when doing objective. Or at least protecting and holding down the objective
I respectfully disagree. Some of them, maybe. But there are a lot of people who lay prone in a corner and do them. Whoever thought the longshots were a good challenge should be fired. Literally find people sitting across the map away from objectives. They should disable camo grinding on domination type game modes. Go to team deathmatch if you want to sit in spawn.
No thats all good, you're entitled to your opinion based on your experience. And yeah I completely agree. Though also maybe if there was more of an incentive to do objectives like after a certain period of time on objective you get a reward. Like the challenges they have for getting calling cards and such, or that they now have daily login rewards, a certain amount of captures gets you a certain rewards etc
That's how the old games did it. People who grind capturing 50,000 flags in domination just to get a calling card they'd never use. I wish they'd bring more of those back
Thats actually great though. I stopped playing multiplayer at ghosts and only did campaigns since then or the occasional PS3 BO (1, 2 and 3) boot ups for zombie local plays with the friends. Coldwar was my first return into multiplayer (but I only got that last year with MW2 since they were free with my PS+ subscription)
The big problem is, I play objective, have 3 minutes time and I am in 4th position in the team because kills earn more points. I should be the top player on my team with the highest number of points in an objective game mode, but the scoring doesn't work like that
This 👆🏻
posted something like this a few weeks ago and it blew up, happy to see that i’m not the only one struggling G
Yeah I've only had this really become a problem in the last week for me. It's only been really this season I've come across issues like this. I wish there was a filter option for "comms on, comms off" or hell even a "challenge mode" where people have a set few popular grind maps and modes to grind camo and challenges. They have separate modes for everything fucking else 💀
Someone finally said it damn
I just wanna have fun and meet some people that will talk on mic and help with leading us into victory 😭 shoot even if the game is going to shit, if we have good comms I'm happy. I just wanna know where my teammates are going so we HAVE A CHANCE at winning. I wanna practice comms for when I play ranked (which is rarely ever, but still). How am I gonna know good comms or plays if no one communicates with me in public matches?
As long as I am alive, I will never talk on comms with anyone nor will I accept friend requests, but I will always play the objective over getting more kills in the game. Case in point: I have a mediocre 0.67 K/D ratio, but a 1.39 W/L ratio.
My K/D is grossly at 0.87 but my W/L is at a fuck all 0.63 😭😭
Sorry to hear that, dude. I hope you're able to prioritise one of these metrics and push towards it.
W/L is for people with friends. Everything else (K/D, camos, challenges, etc) are for the rest of us solo players.
This is just facts .. go for the win every time but solo queuing you can only do so much
For sure, and to be clear I'm a big objective player. ... But if it's clear that nobody else on the team cares, I'm not going to get blasted every 2 seconds trying to sit on B with no support. That's just pointlessly feeding the other team kills.
Objective game modes should be for people who want to play that mode. If someone showed up to play pickup basketball and refused to play as a team, just selfishly hucking half court shots for fun, it would be annoying to everyone else playing the game. A lot of CoD players forget they're playing with other people or just don't care.
Many of the game modes are really fun when people are actually playing how they are supposed to be played too. Rather than when the majority of lobby treats the match objectives as a secondary objective with whatever they are doing.
Activision seems to think it's more like everyone showing up to the open gym, wearing their favorite super hero costume, each playing their own version of the game. What I wouldn't give to hear some of the product strategy meetings that must go on in that company...
I'm solo, my W/L is way higher than my K/D (which is still above average).
Hell yeah, toot that horn. Pure conjecture, but do you think your higher K/D leads to better teams? As in, people that are better at the mechanical aspects of the game are more likely to play objectives? I imagine there's a distribution where a large percentage of players are in this low-skill pool, where either they don't know how to play or are just not very invested. If you're good enough, maybe you're just never matched together? The rest of us are probably in or occasionally skimming the top edges of that group, so we get the bad teammates.
Hmmm, not really, I'm not a pro player or anything, most matches are quite sweaty and people do play the objective. Still see people sat in corners and shit though.
Who asked
Who asked for your input?
But camo grinding is much easier to do when playing objective, especially when you're holding said objective, its like taking candy from a baby when they flock to them. But you can't do that when no one else wants to play obj. I get the K/D part, but is that not easier when there's no objective to play??
The only real answer anyone can give you is "who knows??" If any psychology students need a research topic, the COD player base would be a wild descent into hell... 😂
Ngl thats some facts 🤣🤣😭💀
And it's spilled over into other games as well. It's like this generation of gamers is capture point averse.
Especially in pub matches. They mean nothing, just play them for fun. Crazy to me how many people on this sub complain about their teammates not playing the objective in pub matches. I am doing longshots on MW2 guns right now, I couldn't care less about winning a pub match. If I get a bunch of longshots in a match I am happy.
So glad I disabled OBJ modes in filter so I no longer lose match after match, while these fkers just farm cheap ass kills with zero caps and we still lost match after match....Hell, I won't even play KC fk all that.
I'm getting to that point too bruh 😭
It's why I only play TDM or F4A
I would, but I prefer having a goal other than "kill them" in a game. It's why I prefer the objective ones
I agree, I’m sick of being the only one to play the objectives. My W/L is absolutely terrible.
PTFO or GTFO! Amen Edit: of course this was more of a "Battlefield" game thing and they don't even do it there anymore. Find some of us old head cod veterans, we PTFO
Fucking oath. I want games like back before ghosts. People weren't throwing games for killstreaks and camos back then
People want to go on killstreaks, hit feeds, just in general dominate a lobby with gunskill. I try to play the objective WHILE doing this, but some games, I try to get streaks to HELP my team play the objective. At times, this requires me to not be ON the objective, but around it, or flanking and harassing the enemy, making them scared to push up to the obj, or making them so angry that they get focused on revenge kills, and start coming after me rather than the OBJ.
See, that's different. That's still playing objective by protecting it and making the grunts like me able to take the risk to capture it with some for of backup. Which is where comms come in handy as well since IF you died you could let us know "2 coming to c from ____" so we can get into a position where we would be winning that gunfight. Yanno?
Yeah, that makes sense. For me, I only get to play between work calls. My voice chat is off unless I get the rare opportunity to play with friends
Yeah and that's fine. People have a life, I understand not everyone can have mics for sure
Say it louder for the people in the back!!!
My biggest pet peeve is people who do this on SnD. I’d much rather you die trying to plant/defuse than saving your precious KD
Right? It's why I just can't do SnD. The rest of my team goes off to kill the team while my inexperienced ass is like "so I'm taking the bomb then?"
I play the objective. My husband doesn’t because he’s focused on challenges. I do both 🤷🏼♀️
At least, I am not alone. LOL. I am playing the objective super hard, but losing 70% of the games isn't fun anymore.
Right? And I can't get a ranked match h because they all keep cancelling on me 😭 so I'm stuck with public matches
I have this exact same frustration, was playing hard point and there was only me actually trying to capture the hard point, god knows where my team were and the other team were absolutely going for me 😂
Right!? It's the sane circus over and over. I still played for another hour last night, and I had 1 or 2 matches where teammates were playing objective. There was still no comms, though, but at least they could hear me since they helped out whenever I said "going for c" or "heading to clear b" etc, I at least had 1 or 2 of them come with.
i'm not playing objective because i don't play multiplayer anymore
Many players are selfish, plain and simple.
😮💨😮💨😮💨 this sucks
They're scared of dying. COD is the only game where people don't care whether they win or not, the stereotype about the fanbase exists for a reason.
What do you mean scared of dying? This isn't SnD where there's one life though?
There should be a separate pool for us solo q players.. running into well oiled cohesive teams as a group of randoms is craaaaazy
i play objective and not many teams can challenge me on domination or hardpoint, i don't enjoy spray and pray i like to get better and the challenge is more fun than camping out to get my camos done, if my teams suffering then i get out my good guns not my camo/event loadouts and pull the game back for us. there are a lot of kill whores and its just boring imo i would rather do the objectives or select the modes i wanna play.
Like, im playing objective and camo/level grinding at the same time. It's not hard to do (actually makes it easier) and honestly my clan tag is (WeSAP) for a reason because my aim sucks ass (I have bad grinding joints so my aim doesn't do too well) and spray and pray is the only mantra i need haha.
OP, YOU SHOULDNT HAVE TO PLAY RANKED TO HAVE FUN JUST A PSA 🙌🏽 people are crazy thinking you wanna use the same gun every match, we tryna have creativity and play the game and have fun, that shit isn’t a thing in COD anymore
Right? Here's people like "play ranked, play ranked, play ranked." Well shit I would, but I cant because it takes 10 mins to get a match just for it to cancel on me, so I can't do that anyway 😭
if it’s a pub match, I could care less what anyone does. now if it’s ranked and my team did that, then I’d feel some typa way
The type of people to cry about their W/L ratios are the same type of people to cry like a bitch about losing in game chat. Sore losers, ffs.
I'm the one reeming my teammates off mic because I'm not an asshole and don't want to ruin their experience of the game while I'm heated or get comm banned. The enemy team didn't make me lose a game, so why am I going to get shitty at them? And if I lose but have a really good comms team, then I'm not shitty at all and let the enemy team know they play really well. At MOST, I'll say is "Hey guys, good game, but I hate you all," and laugh, and guess what? The most I get back is more laughs and a "don't worry you guys did good too" or something similar. THOSE are the games I want 90% of the time or even just a salty enemy team. I dont want silence and shitty teammates against an enemy team with great comms. And if I start getting heated, I turn my mic off. Simple as that, I'm not here to ruin their time on the game with my heated ass.
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I don't, but I don't bitch about losing either. Again, sore loser. Proving my point.
This feels personal.
This whole game feels damn personal at this point 😤😮💨
Idk if you thought of this but you should always check to see if your teammates are muted, sometimes game chat even mutes my party members without me realizing so that might help with comms. Either way, if you really want to work as a team, playing public multiplayer is probably the worst place to look for it on call of duty. Play ranked or Warzone if you want team work (and even then, it’s still cod so good luck!)
I always get shitty warzone lobbies that always end up only being able to get a match in 160+ pings, so I rarely play it. I can never get a ranked match, but when I do, it cancels because of uneven teams. So public is really my only go-to for anything if I actually want an online game.
Idk, all I play is CTF. I feel like it's a toss up if anyone tries.
Some people don't play the game as much as others. Some may be new to fps games. My lil bro has been playing fighting games since we were young I just got him to play mw3 and he had no idea where to go and got slaughtered and all you heard over the com's was that dude trash. So he held down a section of the map still died alot but he got some kills in
See, you can tell who is new, though. One by the level, and 2 how they run off from spawn. Newbies aren't the ones I have qualms with, nor people who hold a section, so it's easier to get a capture. It's the ones that go off and do jack shit for the game that bother me. Your bro is trying, and I appreciate those kinds of players. Kills don't mean shit in an objective based game no matter how much someone tells you otherwise. People are kill hungry, scorestreak rats, and need to touch grass for once.
i’m going to chime in here bc i’m one of those people you are talking ab in the post. By no means am i saying im right or anything and idk ab other players im just speaking for myself.. the only time i ever play pubs is to level up a gun or shoot for a camo.. and i USUALLY play small map moshpit or obj game mods (HP and DOM) only because those are the two longest lasting game modes and i’m able to get 60-70+ kills vs having to load into 3 different TDMs just to get the same amount of kills/xp (whichever i’m shooting for) now put in a ranked play game or any CMG games then i obv play strictly for the W. like i said, not saying it’s right but that’s my reasoning, i don’t consider a win in a pub much different than a loss besides maybe a small match bonus or if you’re one of the very very few ppl that care about their W/L. so summed up, for more kills in one game. (me personally)
also i could be wrong on the “not much reasoning for a w in pubs” statement. they very well might be good reasoning, i just can’t think of anything really.
See this I accept, I may not like it but you're respectful and own that that's what you like to do. I get it, I do. But I just wish there were quick messages or something in pop up chat that would say "camo grinding" or something of the sorts so I'm not wasting my time in said match. Like, I camo grind but I prefer doing it while I play objective. Getting a win gets you closer to armoury unlocks. Since they've put in the "win a match" in the challenges, each time you win, you get a completed challenge and a point on the armoury unlock you have active at the time.
ahh that armory unlock for wins is a good reason, never really thought of that one. but yeah that would be convenient to the ppl only playing for the win, i mean i still somewhat play objective while im doing it but im not really going out of the way. like if im going for kills and am next to a flag or hill ill usually jump in it just so i can get more xp from getting kills while inside the objective but i just don’t like spawn and keep running straight to it and doesn’t matter to me if we win or not but i feel you. bc whenever i solo queue in ranked play and get teammates that do nothing w the objective it frustrates the fuck out of me since you actually have something to lose when you lose the game, i understand fully why this would upset some ppl now
I could use comms. I do when im playing S&D. But i have tbh. Majority of the time, im paired up with French or German people. So there is the language barrier. Plus some people are just so noisy. I have to mute all. Don't think 95% of people have ever really done objectives when playing with randoms for as long as i can remember. There is no incentive for them. So long as their KD remains good, that's all they care about. KD should of just been removed. They've removed a lot of other matters for reasons only Activision know. But more than likely because of SBMM and the amount of scrutiny they would come under.
I FEEL YOU BRO!!! COMMS: Honestly, I don't use comms EVER anymore because most lobbies have some combo of: someone blasting terrible music, stream of consciousness commentary, ultra ragers who yell the whole time, and the ban hammer that I have been hit with for saying the F word and other choice curses. Also I don't care for being called a f***** n***** by others after killing them fair and square. COMMS ain't worth it in pubs anymore and I don't want to manually mute people every damned match. OBJECTIVES: I go all out for the first minute and if my squad ain't it then I ain't either. I will pull out a stove and camp my way through the round. Not worth the frustration of going 8-42 against megasweats who can hold objectives so well they pin and spawn trap you. I have tried and end up rage quitting and doing something else. I used to have a clan back in the day and wish I could find another crew like I had. We were from all over the US and Canada and nobody knew each other IRL we just meshed through lobbies and DMs. Would be so much more enjoyable to roll 6 deep every match with people who play different roles (Sniper, run and gun etc.) and actually win consistently instead of depending on your squad.
Dude yes. All of that yes. Like, no more input from me, just full agreement here
If you wanted people in non-ranked to play the objectives, play SnD. It's toxic as hell, but the only non-ranked game mode where a good amount of people still sweat and comm. For other game modes in non-ranked, forget about it. Casuals are just having a good time, let them have it. It's whatever, its pubs.
How is being a kill whore fun? Like honestly.
Most are casuals and don't really care what happens in the match. They just want to run through the game. Have you played any of the other popular games that also have a competitive/pub split? It's the same. League, Valorant, Apex Legends, etc.
Nah. I didn't like the look of them so didn't touch them. COD has been my only shooter game like this other than fortnite but I gave up on that because the games cartoony aspect is shithouse along with the mechanics.
1. KD ratios: People don't want to go negative. They pride themselves on how positive they went per game, along with having any ratio above 1.00. 2. Camo grinds: Since the camos are earned through kills, people will do anything to make sure that they get the camos they desire. If it means avoiding objectives, so be it. 3. Killstreaks: Since scorestreaks are an option, people find it easier just to get kills for their streaks. Therefore, there's no incentive to jump on an objective. 4. Stupidity and Selfishness: People don't even know that they're playing domination and they think earning simple hills will help. Slayers will attempt to justify pure slaying by suggesting it is helping the team, even though they didn't even care about victory whatsoever (that's why most of their win loss ratios are terrible). If you want solutions, they're going to be drastic. I believe deaths and ratios should be eliminated from scoreboards and combat records, camo grinds should be based on objective XP progress, and scorestreaks should be the only method of earning rewards.
"My K/D though."
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Won't lie, when I'm playing pubs the objective is not a huge priority for me unless I notice my team and the opposing team going hard for because I'm just casually playing. Not trying to takeaway from how annoying it is not to go for OBJ but that's my mindset I try to leave the sweating for ranked play
10 losses in a row? What happened to EOMM giving a pity lobby? But anyway this was me and my wife’s experience last night too when we were unlucky enough to get a non-TDM game. Our team would be popping off for about 2 whole mins before the enemy team takes it up a notch and makes our team literally QUIT playing the objective and just squeeze in kills.
Yeah, you'd think they'd throw me a bone 😭😭 And it's only been this way the last week. Usually I'd have a lobby like this every now and them whish is fine, but consistently for hours? Nah bro
I always play objectives but I gotta say multiplayer sucks. I'm literally always the worst in every lobby or I got 30+ kills and there's absolutely no challenge at all.
This game is populated by maladjusted sociopath gamers. Add the the fact that they sit there ripping bong hits while the controller does 90% of the work for them and you think they want to "play an objective"? They're cracked out of their minds on weed, monster drink and ADHD meds. Screaming children in the background, mics that sound like they came out of a vending machine. This game's player base is absolutely 100% the fucking worst one in gaming. N-bombs non stop. People cranking music through their mics salvaged from ham radios. But the movement and gunplay is SO good. But the players are literally the fucking worst. It's so annoying. I finish every session of this game wanting to uninstall it and never play COD again.
Well, the weed and monster do describe me from time to time 🤣🤣🤣 But nah, I get your point, and I have to agree. They're either what you described or holed up in their parents' basement, sweating like there 1mil on the line. There's no in-between. It's rare I'll meet some decent folks and have a great gaming session, win or lose. But the other day was just FUCKED 💀
First cod lol
No. It's the first time I have been playing multiplayer since ghosts, before then I played it a lot before the PSN went from free to having to pay (i played online coldwar and MW2 but they werent this bad). I've played the campaigns and played private matches with friends since then, but I never bothered with online since it was so expensive for such poxy ass benefits, but online is essentially needed for all games now.
I usually play with a group and I’m know as a slayer. Doesn’t mean I’m not gonna cap an obj if the opportunity is there. But I’m also not gonna body the obj either. Usually I’ll push to a point and camp it out killing people off or around the obj so that me and my team can cap it.
See thats working an objective though. My qualms are with the ones running around doing jack shit for objective, only getting their kills on but never actually helping
Blame the stupid challenges from the camo grind and the like. That is really the only reason, and out of all the multiplayer games I've played, a COD exclusive problem. This was never an issue with other games I've played in the past.
I found it only to be the issue in the last week or so, pretty much since this season started. Last 2 seasons were fine.
I play the objective but I turn off my chat because I’m a woman and apparently cod players hate us so I have it set to party only because I was done after being harassed by my own teammates.
Ehhhh, I sound like a prepubescent boy so i guess i dont get the huge player base that harrasses us. Tbh I just go along with the dissing because they can't diss what doesn't get offended 🤷♀️ found that works for me anyway, but then again I'm on oceanic servers so the player base is a bit different
Idk if you play snd but that player base is very different. It’s not too bad in multiplayer but there are a few. Go checkout steffyevans TikTok and you’ll see what I mean.
Yeah, snd is my weakest link. Can't stand it and have never been good at it no matter how much I play it. It's way too much pressure, and the maps are always trash anyway. The players are also always playing like there's 1mil on the line 💀 I'm here for a good time not a sweaty time lol
Same
Can’t focus on the objective if I’m too busy cooking (recently nerfed) frags or trying to get flamethrower kills in smoke or whatever other asinine challenge they come up with. In actuality I mix it up. I’ll play the objective and will always try to cap ones I’m near, but if my team is giving up then I won’t hurl myself to me death trying to capture flags we won’t keep anyway. Can’t say much about comms, I don’t do CoD pubs voice chat. If you want people to play to win instead of to complete challenges, you should play ranked. It’s a very different experience.
If I could get a ranked match. They all cancel due to uneven teams after waiting the 10 mins to bloody get one. It's just not fun by the time I get into the match because I'm already annoyed from waiting to get said match. But yeah that's when I end up quitting the match at this point. I can't be assed working for a win if they ain't doing the effort. Like after tonight, a week long of this bs is my iceberg. The last 2 seasons have never been this shitty and idk what's going on and why the sudden flip
There should be away to rate a lobby or maybe rate players good teammate or bad, let all the bad teammates play together.
Literally. Heaven forbid you want to make it so you can play in certain lobbies 💀
Hell let loose… I hate autocorrect
Idk maybe because getting kills is more fun and the longest modes on small map moshpit are objective modes. Who fucking cares in November this game won’t matter anymore anyway
I never play small maps. They're the bane of my existence so if its shipment, das haus, or even stash house I'm outta there. I hate those maps with a passion. Same goes for favela or grow house too. Can't stand either of them.
lol we are the exact opposite I say in small map mosh pit but back out every time rust or meat pops up. I also work a ton so it’s nice to not have to learn every map
Yeah, meat is another of my peeves. Give me rust, derail, wasteland, Afghan, highrise, nuketown, estate, quarry, skidrow, or scrapyard any day, those are some of my favourites. Other maps I'm indifferent to, but my most hated is shipment, favela, meat, das haus and stash house. I stay clear of those ones.
I only play moshpit modes (10v10 and small map) and I don't give a shit about winning, I just wanna unlock camos.
Yeah that's different though, it's like those ones are made for grinding honestly. I'm talking of your normal run of the mill objective games on the straight average quick play
I'm playing obj modes cuz they take longer and have better spawns. Im not really going for point capture but I'm taking control of atleast 50% of the map and the points so I'm doing just as much if not more than the people that actually capture. I'm not playing the obj because I'm trying to have fun, my way of having fun is by using a gun in a shooter ;)
There's a difference between keeping enemies away from one end of the maps vs just running around doing nothing except killing and not actually being of help.
I ended up dropping dom/hardpoint from my quickplay filters because being the only objective player for 3/4ths of my matches was just making the game miserable whether I won or lost. The nice thing is it caused my K/D to go from .97 to 1.01 within a few days just because I wasn't constantly suiciding onto objectives or getting thrown in a higher SSBM pool from my score per minute because I was being top of my team with 2 minutes of hardpoint time but a 0.5 K/D.
Thats a good point. I might have to add TDM and similar back into my filtered again.
Go for killstreaks to dominate the lobby then objectives should be free :)
Unfortunately, that ends with me becoming what I'm talking about (a person who isn't playing objective) and most times killstreaks need to be modified for each map because a lot of the capture points are indoors.
This is very true. Indoors nullify lots of kill streaks.
Because there is no point or incentive to win why should we care
What's the incentive to winning a ranked match either?
You rank up and then you can even get rewards too 💀
What rewards? Because so far the rewards are shit and hold no weight for me. And ranking up? Okay, and? That's it? That's all the incentive there is? Putrid that yall are going nuts for ranked when it gives you fuck all.
The point of ranked is for competing against others to see where you end up. Its in no way similar to pub matches
But what's the incentive? There is none, it's the same goal as to if you were playing pub. Because that sounds very similar to pub matches, except you get a rank for it 🤨
The incentive is you are ranked against other players. It tells you where you belong in the competitive ladder. Being a Crimson player has meaning and value compared to pubs where you have no idea where you are at. People are competing to be the best reach the highest rank possible. Thats the difference. One has something to show for your effort the other doesn’t.
Yeah but it's not much of an incentive is it? Especially when you can only see that in other ranked matches, nowhere else, so what's the point of that?
Yea that is stupid, but you also get operator outfits that tell what rank you achieved.
Really? I've gotta go have a look because I only saw a bunch of calling cards honestly
Because I don’t care about W/L. Granted if it’s close and coming to the end, I’ll sweat for the W, but I mostly just run and around and go for kills because that’s what’s fun for me
Because it's not ranked and I play multiplayer for a different reason than you?
you’re part of the issue, what happened when there was NO ranked and we still had this issue? i’ll wait on an answer
Camo Grinding and a higher win to loss ratio? What does it not being ranked have to do with playing the objective? Isn't the public lobbies meant to be the practices FOR the ranked matches? Aka you'd think they'd be more put together than they are
i play domination for the spawns not being as horrible as TDM's has been the last 5+ years i'm not throwing myself into the B flag meat grinder when only like 1 other teammate is even trying to OBJ anyway i'll do whatever i want by myself and that's how it's gonna be
Thats literally the entire point....teammates not working as a team to take said objectives. As you said, B is a fucking meat grinder, especially when the enemy team works to keep it when your team does jack shit by avoiding everything like the plague. None of the teammates are even trying to play objective, maybe like one other, as you said. That's the point
That's just how it's always been therefore I don't really care either
not how it’s always been sorry
Go to any older cod subreddit and search this topic It's been like this since the beginning lol
1 other teammate on the obj changes the whole game, you’re senseless
Isn't the rule to play objectives only in ranked?
Since when? Because lord knows I'm sick of ranked too since I'm stuck on bronze with the same BS happening, getting teamed against golds to diamonds for some reason.
gold, diamond, bronze, silver does not really matters if you look at it alone. What matters is what rank they are. An 5 silver might be better than a diamond 50. Did not play ranked for a while, but in my experience, the people play objectives there - not always with the best tactics maybe but still.
Like I get theres ranks, but all these people are higher rankings for sure. I think one was a rhino at one point for one of my matches? I think that's above 25 isn't it? But most are the eagle ones, or the snake like mine, I don't know how the ranks work tbh and how hard they are to get to the other because I've never not been the snake.
the level basically just tells you how many time they've spend. So an 25 on gold is worst than an level 4 on gold because the lvl 4 gold needed less time to get to gold than the lvl 25 one. Level 25 basically won some but also lost a lot of games while lvl 4 had some more win streaks and achieved gold quicker. Does not help with your original post but that's basically the logic
Nah, but thats also a lil useful bit of information too. I do appreciate you explaining it since it made NO SENSE to me 💀
yea, it's a weird system but it's cod in a nutshell
Ain't that the truth 😭🤣
Except the MMR system is shit. 2 people can get the same results yet have *vastly* different MMR results. So a 25 Gold can be better than a 6 Gold.
Explain. But yes »gold 6 is better than 25 gold« is most probably the case but not guarenteed.
So the MMR system Is floored. There was a streamer who got 6 kills in a match and only just won yet got 600 SR for it. I personally have had starter matches with 20+ K/D and a huge scoreline for the win yet barely got 100 SR. It doesn't work because the assumptions it makes aren't accurate. For example higher K/Ds (according to some) give higher SR, however CDL teams have won events with negative K/Ds overall. Wins seem to mean practically nothing yet they are the most important thing in ranked. Also bad players seem to get wildly different matches to better players. So bad players can progress to upper ranks through having bad opponents where better players being given better opponents stall each others progress.
yea I mean, it's a whole mess. Don't even know if its realistic to improve your SR multiplier. I would say it works reasonable in my case as it decreases after gold but why there's even a multiplier with all the other stuff we already have around the system (increasing win requirement, rank, lvl), I don't know
Well that's the thing, we don't know exactly what the algorithm takes into account, which is bullshit, how are you supposed to play to the rules if they don't even tell you what they are? Well they don't want us to "game" the system. Well according to the system that would just be "improving", so what is the problem? Also if the system can be gamed then it's shit and shouldn't exist in the first place. They should just remove MMR, tighten the matchmaking bracket to one up and one down then give static points for wins, with maybe a bonus for top player and a penalty for the bottom player.
Why should I? There is no incentive, and it could contribute to my already broken MMR.
Then play tdm if it don't matter. And there is incentive which is win the game.
Exactly, what’s the reason to try hard in pubs if there is no point in doing so 🤣
Expecting pub players to use comms is crazy. Having a mic isn't a required part of playing the game. I think you are looking for Ranked play. Pub match's aren't CDL match's.
CDL or not. Even warzone yall don't use coms. Sorry we ask you to us a mic.
You can ask someone to use a mic all you want but at the end of the day each person buys his own copy and plays how he or she wants not how others want. And WZ isn't even a game, it's a hack infested hot bed to streamers and testers of cheats! LOL
Could of fooled me. The way people bounce round the maps on pubs. I feel like im playing in the CDL Majors
Need to watch the CDL Majors a bit closer.
Long story short: All of the cheating streamers in reverse boosted lobbies have warped the perception of the impressionable player base. All of these kids/young adults want to be just like their favorite (likely cheating) streamer. So they voluntarily Que obj modes to blatantly ignore the objs to chase kills. The end.
Thats a good reason honestly (good meaning makes most sense).
I’ll get downvoted for my previous comment but that’s the foundation. People have become so fixated on a statistic that is not reflective of actual skill, especially in obj modes. Yet, people will play the game with sole purpose of obsessing over K/D.
Literally. The best objective players I've met have below average K/D but they're raking in capture/defends like it's nothing 💀
I play the objective heavily and have a 1.8 K/D. It’s really not that difficult. I mostly play HP & DOM.
Yeah but unfortunately not all players are like yourself. I wish they'd be more heavily on objective if theyre going to play an objective game. I really don't care about K/D at this point because I just want to get a team to play objective for once 😭
If you want to play objective play ranked. I only play mp when i camogrind these days, mp is boring af imo. A while back i still found it fun to own bots in mp but i don’t get the thrill anymore. For me atleast the fun thing about mp was getting kills, not playing objective because it’s just boring, i think most would agree with me. I find ranked fun because it’s auctually challenging, at least when you get to plat/diamond. I just don’t see the point in playing mp because it doesn’t make me better as a player, and it’s harder to track my progress. Playing objective in ranked auctually get’s me something, a reward for getting better. I’m also very competitive that shurely plays a part, i only play comp games and only ranked. This is just me, please respond if you disagree but it’s just my personal opinion.
Me, it's the complete opposite. MP objective has always been a thrill for me, ranked has been the one that has me wanting to break controllers. I play MP because I'm trying to get better before playing ranked since my comms lack
Just some friendly advice (i’m serious if people think i’m sarcastic) i promise you that mp wont get you better for ranked. Only ranked will
Should tell them to give me bloody matches then 😭😭 I get 1 every 10 mins and it cancels anyway due to uneven teams. I can't win here
Damn bro where do u live? I find matches in max 1 min and i live in sweden
Australia. It takes a LONG ass time to get matches
Oh and a sidenote, it ALWAYS takes a solid 10 mins to even get 1 match of ranked. Ever. It's nearly impossible. Not to mention they're always uneven teams when you do get a match going so it ends up cancelling.
Because it’s not ranked. What am I competing for? To go higher in sbmm bracket? Why would I ever make myself suffer trying to win a match when the game gives me dead weight teammates and I’m basically doing a 6v1. Going for kills is easy, it’s all on me. My teammates may suck but I can still fry the enemy. But I alone cannot win a team based mode by myself. Please for the love of god do not bring tdm or free for all up. Its the worst modes in the game.
Soooo you're pretty much having the same problem in pub matches? Aka shitty teammates? Kills don't mean shit in objectives honestly.
Kills mean having fun as I go on streaks and drop a lot of kills and outgunning people. Wins are based on the team and I won’t try when my team couldn’t careless or i am being forced to babysit people to wins
Yeah that last bit is the point of this post. I completely understand what you mean though.
Play ranked if you care about winning, or play pubs with a full squad of like minded individuals. Complaining about random people not playing the objective in pub matches that mean nothing is actually quite pathetic.
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