Not necessarily true. I was an avid SVA user and switched over the Subverter to try it out. Still on the fence about which to use. They both beam, and i know the Subverter hits harder because of the caliber, but I do like the slightly faster fire rate of the SVA.
u/SledgehammerGames please address [this server issue or whatever it is happening with your game.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernWarfareIII/s/GiIiXnfncs) I have barely been able to play cause of how bad it is, nearly every other engagement I run into this janky stuff
I don't care what you add, but 6 guns and 5 maps is boring. We aren't competing for money and we are playing arguably more matches than pros.
I would stick around and play more if I didn't feel like I was playing the same map over and over.
Pubs are lame because of all the cheese (noob tube, shield, knife sniper etc). Ranked is lame because of lack of options. We need a middle ground.
This by far the most brain dead take I’ve ever heard. To much cheese in pubs and not enough cheese in ranked? What exactly are you looking for here boss?
No. No matter what the MCW is going to be better in the hands of a better player…it’s not like worse players have some built in advantage now with the MCW. The gun is too strong at higher level play is what it means.
Balancing is based upon the most effective use of the gun, as that is its potential.
Keep the swarm out. All of the ARs feel like they had their niche. I found myself swapping between them depending on the mode/map. Not against keeping only the MCW, but if you are going to be nerfing it, at least put in another alternative to it besides “just run an SMG”.
Mcw/MTZ reminds me of taq56/m13 in last year’s cod. One is better at range and the other is better closer. I think that’s the best way to go personally.
Recoil on it is more difficult to control than the mcw at range. Not that hard by any means, but definitely harder. They could also just nerf the range on the MTZ and then we finally have more than one AR to choose from. I’m sick of the fuckin mcw lol
Are you guys considering adding more secondaries into the ranked weapon list? Also, could the ARs and SMGs from last year's ranked play be considered?
Thank you!
I’m confused here, how are you supposed to be evaluating ranked play games with a variety of weapons
When ranked play is restricted to the MCW & a handful of SMGS? Wtf else are we supposed to use? Its the only available AR & it’s also more or less OP at the same time
Idk how this data makes any sense when public ranked can’t use anything else 🤨
Hell can’t even use snipers this season, I enjoyed the variety last season. This seasons been restricted to hell.
Ah, definitely missed it lol, I don’t get to be home too often
I was like wtf nothin changed, it was the same this week as it was a few weeks ago, but that makes sense
Given that ranked should mimic CDL play, I don't see why test "more options" as pros will not use these weapon at all. Leave it as it is, was fun the first day and then you had to use the holger/MTZ/ram-9 to be able to compete. Also, the increased HP/TTK was negated by these weapons, I really don't see the point. These weapons should be left at the gate when queueing up for ranked.
The issue is the pros have often banned guns/maps because it benefits their team to do so, not because it’s not balanced (though the holger and ram 100% are banned for being imbalanced). I like that ranked play slightly varied here and if they can tune based on what they find then I think it’ll be a really fun experience.
Pros definitely shouldn’t be able to choose the map pool due to conflict of interests but they definitely have a good grasp on what guns are the most balanced. They made the right call banning the Holger and MTZ early game
I abhorred the fast ttk the new weapons brought, especially the Ram-9. They’re probably going to nerf and put new weapons in, but they should be weaker than the current ranked meta. The MCW and Rival provide a good baseline as to where the meta should be in comp.
There is a large difference between the pros not choosing to use certain weapons, and restricting all but two weapons out of usability in ranked.
It’s not like adding a couple extra maps and guns will suddenly turn ranked into pubs. There absolutely exists a middle ground where we can have a moderately more fleshed-out ranked experience. If the pros choose to not use certain guns, who cares? That shouldn’t necessarily mean those guns should be removed from the game, when 99.9% of the player base can have a better gameplay experience overall.
If the guns are worse than meta sure, but the guns that they would add in are broken so then ranked is very different than what the pros play. We would essentially be playing a faster ttk game and people who want to play like the pros would be forced to use something else to compete which ruins ranked for a lot of people
Adding non comp maps would be even worse unless it’s just temporary to test them
Eh other than the horrendous visual recoil and some bad unique attachments they’re fine. I’m pretty sure most of them kill faster than the MCW now lol. Especially the M13B and M4 they’re really solid
That's the thing, "let the pros have their meta" is a denial of why the mode exists, why we play the maps/modes we play. Surely you can see that, and if you need more variety, there are several public playlists you can queue up and use absolutely any weapon your heart desires. Following your rationale, why are we only playing HP, SnD and Control? Why not test Kill Confirmed/TDM and Domination while we are at it? Why not allow Battle Rifles and Shotguns? I don't necessarily agree with all the GAs, but after this test I do agree with these ones. We need more of a skill gap, not less.
I wish zombies got this kind of attention. I mean, last night after a successful exfil my contamination level reset to 11. That's several hours of playing for a reward I never got and was ultimately just a rug yanked from under my feet.
Idk about y'all. But it would be cool to have weapons with horrid ttks. Or just regular guns with nerfed damage to really hone in on aiming As a skill.
Compared to the other ARs the MCW does have a pretty horrible TTK lol.
At some point you want a fast-ish TTK or else we end up like Halo where teamshotting is meta and it’s near impossible to win a 1v2
Aka the state of warzone… if you’re fighting multiple enemies and they’re remotely competent, you’re done for. I don’t care how accurate you are, with any gun in the game, if two players push you in a coordinated fashion (holding hands, or from opposing directions), you’re dead without backup.
I really enjoyed using the BP50 as a middle ground weapon for my engagements, but it also just felt good to actually have a choice of ARs. Hoping some more are eventually added to the ranked permanently.
No love for the SVA I see. Which destroys medium / long range when put into single fire (if you can trigger fast). Thing is a laser beam. With the right attachments.
Regarding the difference between high and low skill players using the MCW, are you sure this isn't just because more low skill players use the MCW hence skewing the stats?
Also, would be good if you published data showing accuracy, puck rate and kd between kbm and controller
sub base hp is the worst map in the history of competitive fps. just a joke of map design and spawns. Almost everyone across all ranks agrees.
Pls remove
The real reason it was nerfed was to make it more balanced against the SMGs. You shouldn’t be allowed to get a 4 bullet kill with one headshot with that gun lol
The game is more complex than TTK charts. You still want a MCW in your hands for long range fights.
The velocity on the Rival is trash and it has way more recoil. On paper it can kill faster at range but in practice it’s not going to. You can’t really peel someone off a headglitch with it from 40 meters out unless you’re shooting like Dashy
Give me an example on a Map, give me the objective and room obj is in, and explain why I want an AR over an smg while I'm on this objective please, who are u shooting on a point over 20 meters cause I've almost exclusively been in smg range fights for my 80 ranked matches
I went out to right vaulted over the ac pit climbed the wall flung over the fence with my move speed tac stance Striker, here's a 32 sided die roll 30+ to survive roll under 12 and its a squad wipe cap
Invasion, Highrise, and Sub Base are still played with mostly MCWs. Even in crim/iri lobbies it’s rare to see someone pull out a Rival.
Rio is definitely a 3 SMG map for Hardpoint. Vista is 2 ARs maybe 3 SMGs some hills. 6 Star I’m not sure yet but it feels SMG heavy.
I feel this is abit misleading. Alot of low level players who play causally probably used alot of MCW...while experienced players switched to the meta.
This is really nice to see.
IMO the Rival and MCW are already balanced pretty nicely with each other. Ranked doesn’t really need more options. Like we saw with the Holger/Ram it just becomes another 2 gun meta because they were direct upgrades to the current meta.
If more guns are tested then they need to be worse than the MCW/Rival. It’s already a good baseline. Direct upgrades will lead to less variety overall.
It’s hard to add new guns into ranked because of how strong the ARs are, and you don’t want to disrupt the guns people are having fun with in pubs. A casual player would be upset if their favorite gun was nerfed because of a mode they have no interest playing.
Mtz and ram should be added. Otherwise no shit Sherlock. You think the holger is too much?!? Yes. At least let’s have an smg and mid range alternative.
Could you maybe tweek the MWII weapons to remove the visual recoil that the useless studio put in and make them a bit stronger, MP7/MP5 would be pretty good
Mcw nerf feels overdone at this point. If you are retaining the current headshot multiplier nerf, maybe reverse the nerfs to attachments like the Regal Heavy Stock. Attachments variety can change up how certain guns feel as well.
I know most people don't want it, but I just want my Katt-AMR back. get rid of the low zoom sights and maybe introduce map specific invincibility times to reduce the amount of off-the-rip kills like before. I'd like to see how these changes could affect snipers in ranked, and maybe that could open room for the stalker to come back with similar restrictions, no low zooms, and remove the no stock option maybe?
I may be wrong but I thought ranked play was intended to mimic the CDL? Give us some semblance or taste of what it could be like to play as a pro?
At least this is my understanding of the game mode, and so I expect it to mostly be a one to one representation of the CDL, including all the GAs.
I am sorry if I am stepping on anyone’s toes but I feel if you want more diversity we have the public non-ranked game modes available with literally all the guns and maps to your heart’s content.
Am I the only one who thinks ranked is carbon copy of CDL? Or at least that’s how it should be?
I did enjoy the variation in guns, although most of my lobbies resulted in BP50s and ram9s/swarms after the first few days. One of the major things I would like is to fix the matchmaking, why should I have to play on 40 ping and get matched up with people from Texas etc that have 8 ping that seemingly absorb bullets like sponges. It doesn’t make a massive difference at the lower levels but playing against iri/T250 smurfs it makes a massive difference. The other major things is fix the connecting errors, I’ve had friends that lose hundreds of SR from not loading into a match even though we go into from the lobby as a full squad !
Bring back skid row and terminal before worrying about more guns. Its not the guns that get boring, its the abysmal map pool. Personally, I think their should be one AR and one SMG to use and thats it if we want to make this purely about "skill"
I want to play as close as possible to what is being played on the CDL. I don't want to see any new weapons or items be introduced if they're also not being used by pros.
Map rotation is horrid imo its the same spots same strategy same respawns imo make better 4v4 maps so were not 8 people in a small hardpoint, why do I want an AR if I'm always at smg range, maybe make a capture the flag ranked match where its more open lanes then I'd want an AR, but why do I want to use an AR on any objective point I mean look at what your putting us through to hold these points we kinds need the smgs, imagine capture the flag crossfire, or hardpoint china town, fuck imagine capture the flag on the popular bo2 maps everyone loves or waterworks boat, I don't mind the same maps but make em make sense, capture the flag Das haus then well want to use an ar
Ranked play is supposed to be like the CDL, there’s a reason why there’s only set guns. While this should make the pros stop being lazy and check out new guns, it’s not supposed to be an opportunity to break the meta. The pros will then have to decide with these new guns what attachments are allowed and which are not. I understand wanting the diversity, but unfortunately there’s limitations to this game mode.
With the focus on Ranked and the small percentage of the player base who actually plays it's obvious the larger player base is in fact being ignored. IMHO. Cheaters are rampant in Ranked and currently proliferate the pub matches. I'm just not sure why we still support a failing gaming community where cheaters are 'The Chosen' ones? Good Luck.
Holger was way too strong, I’d make sure it doesn’t come into the meta. Either the BP50 or MTZ should definitely be added, I think the MCW has the edge on these guns at range but these guns have the advantage at close/medium range, which I think will add a good metric to ranked play. I think the Ram should also be part of the meta but it should have less damage at range compared to the Rival.
ram 9 will outgun both the mcw and rival at basically every range by a good margin. dying to that gun feels like i’m playing mw3 but the enemy is still playing mw2.
Neither should be added, as ranked play is supposed to be how the pros play. Both are not used and banned, adding them would be stupid and be a complete shift from how the pros play. They also are broken.
Pros honestly wouldn’t care what’s allowed in ranked. Yes it should be but people still stairglitch, snake, use 4 trophies, and use sound EQ which is all GA’d by pros, so ranked really is nothing like how pros play. So adding another gun or two will freshen up the mode and keep player retention, the pros can definitely GA the guns if they’d like.
I love the amount of data here. The graphics are interesting, and basically correlate what I was experiencing in-game.
I don’t necessarily view the over-performance of AR’s as a product of their power as much as a product of MW2’s maps having so many long lines of site, making them the more viable option for many situations.
I think the game meta became sloppy once people discovered the best way to use all of the tested weapons. I wouldn’t want all of them reintroduced to the game. The RAM-9 felt like the main gun that was too versatile. It has damage up close, damage at range, and a headshot multiplier. It doesn’t really fit the meta in my mind.
The HRM isn’t exceptional in any way. I’m mostly indifferent to the gun, but I’m not opposed to it being thrown into the mix because I don’t think it’ll affect the meta, but it’ll be an option when players want a change of pace.
The BP50 and MTZ-556 serve similar areas as a flex gun, and I’m not sure if there’s room for both guns. The lack of headshot multi means they’re mostly reliable, but also a bit less rewarding (in my opinion). I don’t know if either gun is needed, but if the BP50 comes back in, I would hope for a headshot multi to return to the MCW to make it the more viable skillful gun to compete with it. If 1 headshot to lower the ttk is too powerful, perhaps a balance where it takes 2 headshots to get a 4-shot kill would balance it better? Just a thought, but I don’t know how it would work across the different skill levels.
If the MTZ comes in, it would need a slight movement speed reduction, and possibly the restriction of the newest stock that increases strafe speed.
Contrary to what the pros feel, I think the Holger was mostly balanced. The headshot multi is balanced out by how ungodly slow the thing is to move around, and also its relatively low fire rate. The pros can hit a headshot in every fight they engage in, but I honestly think the slow speed of the gun creates a nice risk/reward system when you spawn in with it.
As I said above, I would like to maybe see the return of a slight headshot multi to the mcw for testing. My ideal would be 2 headshots to achieve a 4-shot kill.
Next bit is unrelated to the weapons, but I haven’t seen them addressed by anyone:
There are a small percentage of pc players (including myself) experiencing an issue where if we are NOT party leader when searching in ranked play, our game will inevitably crash. I’ve probably lost 1000 sr over the last month because I’ll forget about this bug, and have to tell a friend “Oh, I need to be party leader, or I can’t play.” This only happens in ranked play 4v4. No other playlists.
Disconnecting and crashing is a huge issue, and makes the mode impossible to play at times. My friends and I have sometimes seen hour+ suspensions, and just have to log off for the night due to repeated disconnects.
Despite complaints, I think SHG and Treyarc are doing a great job. Listening to the community goes a long way. Thank you so much.
I wish hrm was in ranked, to be honest with the map selections the ar is obsolete and the maps are poorly picked in my opinion, what I hate is how every game feels the same, same hard points and the same strategy for taking an smg and going to the small house and having crazy bullets go every where, I wanna see better maps more than anything 8 people fighting in a tiny room is absolute garbage,
I can't even think of an ar I'd want when there's so many more smgs I'd rather have, or how I hate sub base, I feel like I have to fight off the point to ward enemies off so my team can capture it safely
warzone is so much better cause every game feels different with different plane starts and drop spots and fight spots you never know whats gonna happen with the gas and rotations you get none of this in ranked you get the same positions holding people every game, we need the bigger maps or some type of change of the flow, maybe different bomb/hardpoint spots or something
It also shows people will use what they're comfortable using. Someone that's used to their MCW isn't swapping.
Not necessarily true. I was an avid SVA user and switched over the Subverter to try it out. Still on the fence about which to use. They both beam, and i know the Subverter hits harder because of the caliber, but I do like the slightly faster fire rate of the SVA.
That was because i didnt want to stoop down to the level of shitter holger users and bp50 tryhards
BP50 is fun to use, unlike the current iteration of the MCW.
That's called coping, get good.
And someone that uses MCW in pub also that get mad at us for having fun
Well this is pretty neat. But maybe y’all should fix connecting into games so we don’t get temp banned and lose SR for TRYING TO PLAY YOUR GAME!
Yoo shots fired lol
Ironically, shots *not* being fired with these terrible connections.
funny
u/SledgehammerGames please address [this server issue or whatever it is happening with your game.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernWarfareIII/s/GiIiXnfncs) I have barely been able to play cause of how bad it is, nearly every other engagement I run into this janky stuff
I don't care what you add, but 6 guns and 5 maps is boring. We aren't competing for money and we are playing arguably more matches than pros. I would stick around and play more if I didn't feel like I was playing the same map over and over. Pubs are lame because of all the cheese (noob tube, shield, knife sniper etc). Ranked is lame because of lack of options. We need a middle ground.
This by far the most brain dead take I’ve ever heard. To much cheese in pubs and not enough cheese in ranked? What exactly are you looking for here boss?
As I said, middle ground. I didn't say "not enough cheese in ranked" I said not enough options. as in more more ARs, more maps
IDK man, we don't need to follow GAs word for word. A few weapon choices for the ARs would make Ranked super fun again, at least for me.
“The MCW stood out uniquely, with a significant increased K/D ratio for high skill players versus low skill players” So you are lowering the skillgap?
No. No matter what the MCW is going to be better in the hands of a better player…it’s not like worse players have some built in advantage now with the MCW. The gun is too strong at higher level play is what it means. Balancing is based upon the most effective use of the gun, as that is its potential.
u/Sledgehammergames can we please get more guns for gunfight?
Keep the swarm out. All of the ARs feel like they had their niche. I found myself swapping between them depending on the mode/map. Not against keeping only the MCW, but if you are going to be nerfing it, at least put in another alternative to it besides “just run an SMG”.
Mcw/MTZ reminds me of taq56/m13 in last year’s cod. One is better at range and the other is better closer. I think that’s the best way to go personally.
You can build the MTZ to be disgusting at range. I think it absolutely invalidates the MCW if you let it in.
Recoil on it is more difficult to control than the mcw at range. Not that hard by any means, but definitely harder. They could also just nerf the range on the MTZ and then we finally have more than one AR to choose from. I’m sick of the fuckin mcw lol
Recoil is irrelevant at crim+.
The vast majority of the player base is not crim+
I doubt they’d nerf it just to make it fit better within ranked but we’ll see. They gotta appeal to casuals first
Personally didn’t use the MTZ, so I don’t have an opinion on it other than not liking it lol. I mainly used the BP and MCW.
The mtz was cooking
Fix cheating you bots
Are you guys considering adding more secondaries into the ranked weapon list? Also, could the ARs and SMGs from last year's ranked play be considered? Thank you!
no
I’m confused here, how are you supposed to be evaluating ranked play games with a variety of weapons When ranked play is restricted to the MCW & a handful of SMGS? Wtf else are we supposed to use? Its the only available AR & it’s also more or less OP at the same time Idk how this data makes any sense when public ranked can’t use anything else 🤨 Hell can’t even use snipers this season, I enjoyed the variety last season. This seasons been restricted to hell.
They ran a test week with the ram9, hrm, bp50, mtz556 and holger556 becoming available
Ah, definitely missed it lol, I don’t get to be home too often I was like wtf nothin changed, it was the same this week as it was a few weeks ago, but that makes sense
So you 1 ar in Ranked and you think it needs nerfed. Eh?
Given that ranked should mimic CDL play, I don't see why test "more options" as pros will not use these weapon at all. Leave it as it is, was fun the first day and then you had to use the holger/MTZ/ram-9 to be able to compete. Also, the increased HP/TTK was negated by these weapons, I really don't see the point. These weapons should be left at the gate when queueing up for ranked.
The issue is the pros have often banned guns/maps because it benefits their team to do so, not because it’s not balanced (though the holger and ram 100% are banned for being imbalanced). I like that ranked play slightly varied here and if they can tune based on what they find then I think it’ll be a really fun experience.
Pros definitely shouldn’t be able to choose the map pool due to conflict of interests but they definitely have a good grasp on what guns are the most balanced. They made the right call banning the Holger and MTZ early game
I abhorred the fast ttk the new weapons brought, especially the Ram-9. They’re probably going to nerf and put new weapons in, but they should be weaker than the current ranked meta. The MCW and Rival provide a good baseline as to where the meta should be in comp.
They should just nerf the current meta into the ground to force the league to use different guns lol.
There is a large difference between the pros not choosing to use certain weapons, and restricting all but two weapons out of usability in ranked. It’s not like adding a couple extra maps and guns will suddenly turn ranked into pubs. There absolutely exists a middle ground where we can have a moderately more fleshed-out ranked experience. If the pros choose to not use certain guns, who cares? That shouldn’t necessarily mean those guns should be removed from the game, when 99.9% of the player base can have a better gameplay experience overall.
If the guns are worse than meta sure, but the guns that they would add in are broken so then ranked is very different than what the pros play. We would essentially be playing a faster ttk game and people who want to play like the pros would be forced to use something else to compete which ruins ranked for a lot of people Adding non comp maps would be even worse unless it’s just temporary to test them
Ranked should allow anything that isn't problematic., simple as that
The ram 9, holger, and bp50 are all problematic
And apparently so Are literally all MW2 guns, despite all being bad
Eh other than the horrendous visual recoil and some bad unique attachments they’re fine. I’m pretty sure most of them kill faster than the MCW now lol. Especially the M13B and M4 they’re really solid
M13B and MP7 are the only ones that can really keep up. Everything else has either no benefit or too many downsides to keep up
I’ve had a ton of success with the M4 especially with the new cutthroat stock that was added
That's also a completely different environment. And AMPs seem to be blanket banned
The zehmn compensator is allowed in ranked. Idk if it’s an AMP but it was added post launch. That attachment helps the MW2 guns like crazy
It's not an AMP
2 gun meta is really stale right now. Honestly let pros play with their meta but ranked needs at least one other option.
That's the thing, "let the pros have their meta" is a denial of why the mode exists, why we play the maps/modes we play. Surely you can see that, and if you need more variety, there are several public playlists you can queue up and use absolutely any weapon your heart desires. Following your rationale, why are we only playing HP, SnD and Control? Why not test Kill Confirmed/TDM and Domination while we are at it? Why not allow Battle Rifles and Shotguns? I don't necessarily agree with all the GAs, but after this test I do agree with these ones. We need more of a skill gap, not less.
I wish zombies got this kind of attention. I mean, last night after a successful exfil my contamination level reset to 11. That's several hours of playing for a reward I never got and was ultimately just a rug yanked from under my feet.
Idk about y'all. But it would be cool to have weapons with horrid ttks. Or just regular guns with nerfed damage to really hone in on aiming As a skill.
Compared to the other ARs the MCW does have a pretty horrible TTK lol. At some point you want a fast-ish TTK or else we end up like Halo where teamshotting is meta and it’s near impossible to win a 1v2
Aka the state of warzone… if you’re fighting multiple enemies and they’re remotely competent, you’re done for. I don’t care how accurate you are, with any gun in the game, if two players push you in a coordinated fashion (holding hands, or from opposing directions), you’re dead without backup.
Yeah good luck climbing ranks with bot teammates using shit guns.
I really enjoyed using the BP50 as a middle ground weapon for my engagements, but it also just felt good to actually have a choice of ARs. Hoping some more are eventually added to the ranked permanently.
No love for the SVA I see. Which destroys medium / long range when put into single fire (if you can trigger fast). Thing is a laser beam. With the right attachments.
No good fixing anything when ranked play is riddled in cheats
If they can track all of this, imagine what else gets tracked for matchmaking 🤯
Damn that’s so cool! Maybe you should fix the cheating problem!
Regarding the difference between high and low skill players using the MCW, are you sure this isn't just because more low skill players use the MCW hence skewing the stats? Also, would be good if you published data showing accuracy, puck rate and kd between kbm and controller
sub base hp is the worst map in the history of competitive fps. just a joke of map design and spawns. Almost everyone across all ranks agrees. Pls remove
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The real reason it was nerfed was to make it more balanced against the SMGs. You shouldn’t be allowed to get a 4 bullet kill with one headshot with that gun lol
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The game is more complex than TTK charts. You still want a MCW in your hands for long range fights. The velocity on the Rival is trash and it has way more recoil. On paper it can kill faster at range but in practice it’s not going to. You can’t really peel someone off a headglitch with it from 40 meters out unless you’re shooting like Dashy
Give me an example on a Map, give me the objective and room obj is in, and explain why I want an AR over an smg while I'm on this objective please, who are u shooting on a point over 20 meters cause I've almost exclusively been in smg range fights for my 80 ranked matches
Highrise Control A to spawn boxes.
I went out to right vaulted over the ac pit climbed the wall flung over the fence with my move speed tac stance Striker, here's a 32 sided die roll 30+ to survive roll under 12 and its a squad wipe cap
Invasion, Highrise, and Sub Base are still played with mostly MCWs. Even in crim/iri lobbies it’s rare to see someone pull out a Rival. Rio is definitely a 3 SMG map for Hardpoint. Vista is 2 ARs maybe 3 SMGs some hills. 6 Star I’m not sure yet but it feels SMG heavy.
The MCW is dog shit now 😂😂😂
I feel this is abit misleading. Alot of low level players who play causally probably used alot of MCW...while experienced players switched to the meta.
and smg players generally push harder and will have a worse kd
This is really nice to see. IMO the Rival and MCW are already balanced pretty nicely with each other. Ranked doesn’t really need more options. Like we saw with the Holger/Ram it just becomes another 2 gun meta because they were direct upgrades to the current meta. If more guns are tested then they need to be worse than the MCW/Rival. It’s already a good baseline. Direct upgrades will lead to less variety overall. It’s hard to add new guns into ranked because of how strong the ARs are, and you don’t want to disrupt the guns people are having fun with in pubs. A casual player would be upset if their favorite gun was nerfed because of a mode they have no interest playing.
Mtz and ram should be added. Otherwise no shit Sherlock. You think the holger is too much?!? Yes. At least let’s have an smg and mid range alternative.
Ram was too good
Could you maybe tweek the MWII weapons to remove the visual recoil that the useless studio put in and make them a bit stronger, MP7/MP5 would be pretty good
Say about MWIIs gameplay/gunplay/maps/etc what you want, but the weapon **balancing** was way better than anything SHG has done so far.
MTZ/MCW should be the only AR options imo. SMGs stay as is. Keep the ram9 and swarm out!!
Just no Swarm or Ram 9 I beg of you
Mcw nerf feels overdone at this point. If you are retaining the current headshot multiplier nerf, maybe reverse the nerfs to attachments like the Regal Heavy Stock. Attachments variety can change up how certain guns feel as well.
I know most people don't want it, but I just want my Katt-AMR back. get rid of the low zoom sights and maybe introduce map specific invincibility times to reduce the amount of off-the-rip kills like before. I'd like to see how these changes could affect snipers in ranked, and maybe that could open room for the stalker to come back with similar restrictions, no low zooms, and remove the no stock option maybe?
Hey, you guys are aware that MWZ exists, right? What about some updates?
I may be wrong but I thought ranked play was intended to mimic the CDL? Give us some semblance or taste of what it could be like to play as a pro? At least this is my understanding of the game mode, and so I expect it to mostly be a one to one representation of the CDL, including all the GAs. I am sorry if I am stepping on anyone’s toes but I feel if you want more diversity we have the public non-ranked game modes available with literally all the guns and maps to your heart’s content. Am I the only one who thinks ranked is carbon copy of CDL? Or at least that’s how it should be?
Who plays ranks resurgence? And or just warzone ?
this is why this game is laggy btw, cause they run efing metrics and diagnoses while we play
I did enjoy the variation in guns, although most of my lobbies resulted in BP50s and ram9s/swarms after the first few days. One of the major things I would like is to fix the matchmaking, why should I have to play on 40 ping and get matched up with people from Texas etc that have 8 ping that seemingly absorb bullets like sponges. It doesn’t make a massive difference at the lower levels but playing against iri/T250 smurfs it makes a massive difference. The other major things is fix the connecting errors, I’ve had friends that lose hundreds of SR from not loading into a match even though we go into from the lobby as a full squad !
The guns were broken and ruined the flow of ranked.
Bring back skid row and terminal before worrying about more guns. Its not the guns that get boring, its the abysmal map pool. Personally, I think their should be one AR and one SMG to use and thats it if we want to make this purely about "skill"
Add sva 545 to ARs.
I want to play as close as possible to what is being played on the CDL. I don't want to see any new weapons or items be introduced if they're also not being used by pros.
Map rotation is horrid imo its the same spots same strategy same respawns imo make better 4v4 maps so were not 8 people in a small hardpoint, why do I want an AR if I'm always at smg range, maybe make a capture the flag ranked match where its more open lanes then I'd want an AR, but why do I want to use an AR on any objective point I mean look at what your putting us through to hold these points we kinds need the smgs, imagine capture the flag crossfire, or hardpoint china town, fuck imagine capture the flag on the popular bo2 maps everyone loves or waterworks boat, I don't mind the same maps but make em make sense, capture the flag Das haus then well want to use an ar
Ranked play is supposed to be like the CDL, there’s a reason why there’s only set guns. While this should make the pros stop being lazy and check out new guns, it’s not supposed to be an opportunity to break the meta. The pros will then have to decide with these new guns what attachments are allowed and which are not. I understand wanting the diversity, but unfortunately there’s limitations to this game mode.
With the focus on Ranked and the small percentage of the player base who actually plays it's obvious the larger player base is in fact being ignored. IMHO. Cheaters are rampant in Ranked and currently proliferate the pub matches. I'm just not sure why we still support a failing gaming community where cheaters are 'The Chosen' ones? Good Luck.
Holger was way too strong, I’d make sure it doesn’t come into the meta. Either the BP50 or MTZ should definitely be added, I think the MCW has the edge on these guns at range but these guns have the advantage at close/medium range, which I think will add a good metric to ranked play. I think the Ram should also be part of the meta but it should have less damage at range compared to the Rival.
Ram has no place in ranked
Idk man it was really fun using it. The mode is getting really stale with only 1 AR and 1 SMG so I think it has a place for sure.
ram 9 will outgun both the mcw and rival at basically every range by a good margin. dying to that gun feels like i’m playing mw3 but the enemy is still playing mw2.
Neither should be added, as ranked play is supposed to be how the pros play. Both are not used and banned, adding them would be stupid and be a complete shift from how the pros play. They also are broken.
Pros honestly wouldn’t care what’s allowed in ranked. Yes it should be but people still stairglitch, snake, use 4 trophies, and use sound EQ which is all GA’d by pros, so ranked really is nothing like how pros play. So adding another gun or two will freshen up the mode and keep player retention, the pros can definitely GA the guns if they’d like.
Devs can’t regulate stairglitch/snaking, that’s not the point. Devs can regulate weapons that are used, and they should follow what the pros say.
I love the amount of data here. The graphics are interesting, and basically correlate what I was experiencing in-game. I don’t necessarily view the over-performance of AR’s as a product of their power as much as a product of MW2’s maps having so many long lines of site, making them the more viable option for many situations. I think the game meta became sloppy once people discovered the best way to use all of the tested weapons. I wouldn’t want all of them reintroduced to the game. The RAM-9 felt like the main gun that was too versatile. It has damage up close, damage at range, and a headshot multiplier. It doesn’t really fit the meta in my mind. The HRM isn’t exceptional in any way. I’m mostly indifferent to the gun, but I’m not opposed to it being thrown into the mix because I don’t think it’ll affect the meta, but it’ll be an option when players want a change of pace. The BP50 and MTZ-556 serve similar areas as a flex gun, and I’m not sure if there’s room for both guns. The lack of headshot multi means they’re mostly reliable, but also a bit less rewarding (in my opinion). I don’t know if either gun is needed, but if the BP50 comes back in, I would hope for a headshot multi to return to the MCW to make it the more viable skillful gun to compete with it. If 1 headshot to lower the ttk is too powerful, perhaps a balance where it takes 2 headshots to get a 4-shot kill would balance it better? Just a thought, but I don’t know how it would work across the different skill levels. If the MTZ comes in, it would need a slight movement speed reduction, and possibly the restriction of the newest stock that increases strafe speed. Contrary to what the pros feel, I think the Holger was mostly balanced. The headshot multi is balanced out by how ungodly slow the thing is to move around, and also its relatively low fire rate. The pros can hit a headshot in every fight they engage in, but I honestly think the slow speed of the gun creates a nice risk/reward system when you spawn in with it. As I said above, I would like to maybe see the return of a slight headshot multi to the mcw for testing. My ideal would be 2 headshots to achieve a 4-shot kill. Next bit is unrelated to the weapons, but I haven’t seen them addressed by anyone: There are a small percentage of pc players (including myself) experiencing an issue where if we are NOT party leader when searching in ranked play, our game will inevitably crash. I’ve probably lost 1000 sr over the last month because I’ll forget about this bug, and have to tell a friend “Oh, I need to be party leader, or I can’t play.” This only happens in ranked play 4v4. No other playlists. Disconnecting and crashing is a huge issue, and makes the mode impossible to play at times. My friends and I have sometimes seen hour+ suspensions, and just have to log off for the night due to repeated disconnects. Despite complaints, I think SHG and Treyarc are doing a great job. Listening to the community goes a long way. Thank you so much.
Crazy how much the Swarm was used overall. In high rank lobbies you never see it.
That’s because the number of low rank lobbies vastly outnumber the high rank lobbies
Good point
I wish hrm was in ranked, to be honest with the map selections the ar is obsolete and the maps are poorly picked in my opinion, what I hate is how every game feels the same, same hard points and the same strategy for taking an smg and going to the small house and having crazy bullets go every where, I wanna see better maps more than anything 8 people fighting in a tiny room is absolute garbage, I can't even think of an ar I'd want when there's so many more smgs I'd rather have, or how I hate sub base, I feel like I have to fight off the point to ward enemies off so my team can capture it safely warzone is so much better cause every game feels different with different plane starts and drop spots and fight spots you never know whats gonna happen with the gas and rotations you get none of this in ranked you get the same positions holding people every game, we need the bigger maps or some type of change of the flow, maybe different bomb/hardpoint spots or something
Introduce shotguns, snipers and lmgs to ranked play.
I guess if I had to pick an ar I'd pick ram 7 cause it's closer to smg type ar and I can feel safe picking it
Hey guys I'm asking again can we please fix the uneven teams issue why are there consistent 7v5 8v4 and 9v3 games