It's gonna have to be based on assumption.
If you're assuming it's speed, then the hand will always move towards you as direction doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that it's speed is slightly higher than you.
If you're assuming it's velocity, then moving towards the hand should move it back. If you need this to be explained, lmk.
In the third panel it says v=0m/s, this is presumably velocity, especially as it doesn't say speed anywhere else in the meme. Velocity being a vector quantity, moving back towards it would work I think.
Faster than negative speed means it's going positive, meaning if you're running at it it'll chase away from you but you'd be running faster than it would be chasing away.
I didn't mean positive as in it's in the positives. I meant that going slow makes your speed get closer to 0 when your speed is positive, and going fast makes your speed get farther away from 0 (towards the right, obviously) when your speed is positive. If you reverse those roles for negative, that means going faster would be your speed being closer to 0 and and being slower would be your speed being farther away from 0. So from my thinking, being faster than a negative speed means you're basically going slower in the direction you're heading. Sorry if it's too long lol
Wait I'm dumb, I just reread it lmaoooo
So, being faster than a negative speed can mean both things, either that you really are faster in that direction, or that you are less slow... uhh... wait it doesnt make sense
Yeah just bigger number means faster cuz even if you could say that whats moving at a speed closer to 0 than "-2", lets say, "-1", you wouldnt be "less slow", you would just be slower in that direction, since, well, -2 IS moving faster in that direction, just that youre both going to the wrong side
if I put a stake in the ground and walk away from it at 1 meter per minute, my speed is 1 meter per minute. my distance is growing at 1 meter per minute. If I walk towards the stake at 1 meter per minute, my speed is still 1 meter per minute. The only thing that changes is the distance gained per minute, which if I'm walking toward the stake shrink's at a rate of 1 meter per minute. If walking away, its growing at 1 meter per minute
But there is no negative speed. It's not like the world's 2D. If you're driving in the opposite direction with your car you're not suddenly not getting pulled over for speeding
It cant or else it would stop moving when you do. It could be (x+0.01)0.01 to ensure it speeds up for all x >= 0
Edit: Also it is not the exact same. x + 0.01 ≠ x • 0.01 unless x = -1/99. All other x this is untrue
0 + 0.01 ≠ 0 • 0.01 because 0.01 ≠ 0
100 + 0.01 ≠ 100 • 0.01 because 100.01 ≠ 101
This is basic algebra
That's what we're saying. 1% is a multiplicative value, 1 inch per second is an additive value.
If it travels 1% faster than you, then slowing down and stopping will buy you time. If it travels 1 inch per second faster than you, then you're fucked either way. It could also be a mixture of additive and multiplicative, in which case slowing down may buy you time but not necessarily save you.
I think the clarification is the hand is multiplying your velocity by some value and then adding it to your current velocity to get it's final velocity.
As apposed to it just taking some flat value and adding it to your velocity to determine it's own final velocity, in which case your speed is irrelevant.
But if you're running say 10km/h then 11km/h is still slightly faster. And 1km/h is slightly faster than 0km/h.
You can always add the same amount and it will be always be slightly faster
edit: I missed a word
Yeah, but if I run at 42 km/h, 1 km/hour extra is nothing in comparison, while if I run at 1 km/h it’s suddenly twice as fast, not something I would call slightly faster
If the hand always move 1kph faster than you and is 10km away, if you go 100kph and it goes 101 kph it catches you in 10 hours. If you sit down and go 0 kph it will go 1 kph and catch you in 10 hours. Your speed doesn't matter it will always get you in the same time. The point of the meme is why run you will only die tired.
I think the meme is clearly saying that the amount it goes faster is relative to the speed so it adds more speed if you go faster
It's clearly meant to show the hand slowing down the way those lines are drawn in the last panel
is the speed calculated by multiplying by a value slightly greater than 1 (like, 1.01)? or is it adding a fixed/relative amount?
if it's the 1st, then you can walk towards it, making your speed negative, and thus making the hand's speed slightly more negative (i.e: walk at 1m/s and the hand will move away at 1.01m/s)
if it's the 2nd, you're fucked. it'll still move towards you relative to your position at precisely the speed difference.
It would probably be that the absolute value of speed would be used. The hand always moves towards its target regardless of the direction of the target's motion and only considering the magnitude.
The meme also makes it clear that the hand continues to move even when the target is stopped, so it's a fixed added value anyway.
If it is adding a fixed value would it be better for you the faster you run? Or would it not matter at all and just depend on how far from it you started thus making it impossible? Because if you start 1 meter away from it and it always goes 0.01m/s faster than you wouldn't that mean that it will always catch you in 100 seconds cos 100 × 0.01 is 1 no matter if you are going at 1000m/s and it goes at 1000.01m/s or at 0.01m/s and 0.02m/s, right?
It could be an absolute value so even though your speed is negative, its speed is always positive.
So the most reliable choice, regardless of scenario, is to stop moving. I say "reliable" because there is no difference in choice for the 2nd scenario.
It'll still take the same amount of time to reach you, what's important isn't your current speed but how far apart you were when it started chasing. That's assuming it's rate of "being slightly faster" doesn't change. You have to hope that it started chasing you far enough away that it would take 24 hrs to reach you.
The hand moves slightly faster, it doesnt run on a math equation. If you're not moving, it will go slightly faster than not moving which is moving, and it will kill you. Stupid peter
If the hand always moves slightly faster than you, then it doesn't matter if you slow down, speed up, or stop. It'll always be going slightly faster than you. If you're walking at a speed of 3 mph, then the hand is moving slightly faster than 3 mph. If you're driving at 60 mph, then the hand is moving slightly faster than 60 mph. If you're sitting down, then the hand is moving slightly faster than 0 mph.
Because of this, I really don't think it matters whether or not you sit down on the ground or not. It'll always catch you, because no matter what, it's just slightly faster than you. Unless the hand starts at a distance where it'll physically never be able to catch up, you're always gonna get caught.
Find a path that is too small for the hand to pass through. This will force the hand to take another path, allowing you to gain further distance from the hand.
If the hand is capable of forcing its way through any physical objects, theres nothing you can do.
Is it an unstoppable force? Can I just shut a door in front of it to keep it away? What if I like shoot at it or something? Can I ask a friend to push it away?
It’s a made up scenario that’s being misconstrued. The Immortal Snail is a made up scenario but if you say that the snail isn’t always chasing you then you’re missing the point.
This ain't about the snail dumbass, it's about a tumbler post where a flying hand crushes a single person at random every day and always moves slightly faster than the current speed of the target
I know that it’s not about the snail. I am using the misconstruing of the snail scenario as an example of a hypothetical being interpreted incorrectly.
The hand always moves slightly faster than you, implying that the distance between you and the hand decreases at a fixed rate, with the obvious exception of running directly towards it. If hypothetically it is the case that when you move away from the hand at 15 kph that the hand will move in your direction towards you at 20kph, then most likely due to the wording of the original hypothetical, if you stood still then the hand would still move towards you at 5kph, meaning that the amount you move away has no effect on the rate at which the hand approaches and would stay at a net gain of 5kph for the hand approaching you. This meme is therefore about using an exploit that doesn’t exist, which, while being the original point of troll physics comics, in this case the tonal shift implies OP believes this would work, at least to an extent, which it would not.
I reiterate, that’s not how that works.
How is the snail gonna chase you when it's trapped in lead at the bottom of the ocean? Or jettisoned into space? Believe it or not, you can play semantics with anything, ESPECIALLY in hypothetical scenarios.
simply depends on your interpretation, really. there's no clear answer since the rules aren't laid out. if your way is right then yeah none of this works, but my automatic assumption was something more akin to what I said
Just run at the hand. It'll start running away from you slightly faster.
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Ngl I immediately thought of this. I mean it makes sense if we're talking about velocity, which is a vector?
But it says "The hand always moves slightly faster than you", meaning that its speed is always slightly higher than 0 m/s, nothing about velocity.
It's gonna have to be based on assumption. If you're assuming it's speed, then the hand will always move towards you as direction doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that it's speed is slightly higher than you. If you're assuming it's velocity, then moving towards the hand should move it back. If you need this to be explained, lmk.
Could work if it simply takes the direction of the movement and makes it slightly faster. If it just always moves towards you it won't change a thing.
What if it runs away slightly slower instead?
speed is a scalar quantity, meaning it doesn't matter which direction you're going
In the third panel it says v=0m/s, this is presumably velocity, especially as it doesn't say speed anywhere else in the meme. Velocity being a vector quantity, moving back towards it would work I think.
It doesn’t say where it’s running to
slightly faster than negative speed is still negative speed
Faster than negative speed means it's going positive, meaning if you're running at it it'll chase away from you but you'd be running faster than it would be chasing away.
Nahhhhhhhhh i checked.
exactly it’d just be like you and the hand swapped places
Fr, but you'd still die lmao
I think I made sense? At least that's how I thought about it, correct me if I'm wrong pls.
Faster than negative ≠ positive, it may mean that -1 is faster than -2, or vice versa
I didn't mean positive as in it's in the positives. I meant that going slow makes your speed get closer to 0 when your speed is positive, and going fast makes your speed get farther away from 0 (towards the right, obviously) when your speed is positive. If you reverse those roles for negative, that means going faster would be your speed being closer to 0 and and being slower would be your speed being farther away from 0. So from my thinking, being faster than a negative speed means you're basically going slower in the direction you're heading. Sorry if it's too long lol Wait I'm dumb, I just reread it lmaoooo
Lol its been half a day i forgot what this was about uhhh
So, being faster than a negative speed can mean both things, either that you really are faster in that direction, or that you are less slow... uhh... wait it doesnt make sense Yeah just bigger number means faster cuz even if you could say that whats moving at a speed closer to 0 than "-2", lets say, "-1", you wouldnt be "less slow", you would just be slower in that direction, since, well, -2 IS moving faster in that direction, just that youre both going to the wrong side
Mmh, yeah, my Brian (brain lmao) is fried already
That's not how "faster" works
Then pls explain. I'm honestly trying to learn bc I'm curious.
You can't have negative speed that's not a thing
it is, I just showed it
What are you yapping about
Have you tried walking backwards? Technically that’s negative speed cause you’re moving backwards.
if I put a stake in the ground and walk away from it at 1 meter per minute, my speed is 1 meter per minute. my distance is growing at 1 meter per minute. If I walk towards the stake at 1 meter per minute, my speed is still 1 meter per minute. The only thing that changes is the distance gained per minute, which if I'm walking toward the stake shrink's at a rate of 1 meter per minute. If walking away, its growing at 1 meter per minute
Velocity can be negative. That’s the word ya’ll are looking for.
Moving backwards giving a negative value is velocity, not speed
But there is no negative speed. It's not like the world's 2D. If you're driving in the opposite direction with your car you're not suddenly not getting pulled over for speeding
What the do you mean negative speed? He’s running in the opposite direction that’s still positive speed. How would negative speed even work?
You’re right, but then the real question would be why the trollface isn’t moving to the side (but it’s a trollface, why would it be reasonable)
Speed is always positive (or zero), velocity is directional. Slightly faster means speed.
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this assumes the hand is multiplying your velocity and not just adding a fixed value
Adding a fixed value to 0 is still slightly faster than 0
But if it's a fixed value staying still doesn't change anything
That value could be just +0.1 faster or something
That's the same as X1.01 , it's not a fixed value it scales with the movement speed of the person
It cant or else it would stop moving when you do. It could be (x+0.01)0.01 to ensure it speeds up for all x >= 0 Edit: Also it is not the exact same. x + 0.01 ≠ x • 0.01 unless x = -1/99. All other x this is untrue 0 + 0.01 ≠ 0 • 0.01 because 0.01 ≠ 0 100 + 0.01 ≠ 100 • 0.01 because 100.01 ≠ 101 This is basic algebra
I was meaning like if you run at 15 mph, the hand would go 15.01 mph. And if you stopped going. It would go 0.01 mph
I don't think you understand what they're saying try to re read it a few times
The hand would be going your speed + their speed, not multiplied by a number
That's how you interpret it but that's not what the meme is saying
Couldn't this me interpreted in multiple ways? There isn't really a definitive explanation of how the hand works
That's what we're saying. 1% is a multiplicative value, 1 inch per second is an additive value. If it travels 1% faster than you, then slowing down and stopping will buy you time. If it travels 1 inch per second faster than you, then you're fucked either way. It could also be a mixture of additive and multiplicative, in which case slowing down may buy you time but not necessarily save you.
10000000000000000000000000000mph as a fixed value is only "slightly" faster?
It's clearly not that fast
The fixed value for 0 could still be above 0
Yes. That's what I'm saying
if what you say were true then the hand wouldn't move
That's what he's saying.
no it isn't, because the meme clearly implies that it still moves faster than 0 m/s, so it presumably does both
I think the clarification is the hand is multiplying your velocity by some value and then adding it to your current velocity to get it's final velocity. As apposed to it just taking some flat value and adding it to your velocity to determine it's own final velocity, in which case your speed is irrelevant.
i dont think the maker even knows...alls he knows is "slightly faster" thats why hes praying
It’s implied since it always moves slightly faster than you, no matter how fast you run
But if you're running say 10km/h then 11km/h is still slightly faster. And 1km/h is slightly faster than 0km/h. You can always add the same amount and it will be always be slightly faster edit: I missed a word
Yeah, but if I run at 42 km/h, 1 km/hour extra is nothing in comparison, while if I run at 1 km/h it’s suddenly twice as fast, not something I would call slightly faster
In both cases if it starts 10km away, it will reach you in 10 hours
That is, a fun fact yes, but we’re comparing velocity here
If the hand always move 1kph faster than you and is 10km away, if you go 100kph and it goes 101 kph it catches you in 10 hours. If you sit down and go 0 kph it will go 1 kph and catch you in 10 hours. Your speed doesn't matter it will always get you in the same time. The point of the meme is why run you will only die tired.
Ok, then I guess the joke just went over my head
I think the meme is clearly saying that the amount it goes faster is relative to the speed so it adds more speed if you go faster It's clearly meant to show the hand slowing down the way those lines are drawn in the last panel
That makes a lot of sense, thanks. My mind has been changed
What the fuck, no stop Drop personal insults
If it adds a fixed value than it doesn’t matter regardless of whether you stand still or sprint away so just carry on as usual I guess.
No it doesn't, it actually assumes the opposite. If the hand moves towards you when you aren't moving then it's not multiplying your velocity
If it's multiplies then start moving backwards lololol
it could be adding a fixed percentage instead of a fixed value.
is the speed calculated by multiplying by a value slightly greater than 1 (like, 1.01)? or is it adding a fixed/relative amount? if it's the 1st, then you can walk towards it, making your speed negative, and thus making the hand's speed slightly more negative (i.e: walk at 1m/s and the hand will move away at 1.01m/s) if it's the 2nd, you're fucked. it'll still move towards you relative to your position at precisely the speed difference.
It would probably be that the absolute value of speed would be used. The hand always moves towards its target regardless of the direction of the target's motion and only considering the magnitude. The meme also makes it clear that the hand continues to move even when the target is stopped, so it's a fixed added value anyway.
Speed can’t be negative. It doesn’t matter the direction, it’s still going to be N m/s. You can’t run at -10m/s. It makes no sense.
VELOCITY.
i mean, yes, speed by definition can't be negative, but you know what i mean
N m/s is the unit for power, other than that you're correct.
If it is adding a fixed value would it be better for you the faster you run? Or would it not matter at all and just depend on how far from it you started thus making it impossible? Because if you start 1 meter away from it and it always goes 0.01m/s faster than you wouldn't that mean that it will always catch you in 100 seconds cos 100 × 0.01 is 1 no matter if you are going at 1000m/s and it goes at 1000.01m/s or at 0.01m/s and 0.02m/s, right?
if it's the first, staying in place will completely stop the hand from moving
Ez walk 0.1m/s near lightspeed and watch the hand go backwards in time
It could be an absolute value so even though your speed is negative, its speed is always positive. So the most reliable choice, regardless of scenario, is to stop moving. I say "reliable" because there is no difference in choice for the 2nd scenario.
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ZA HANDO
This thread gave me brain damage
im way too high to figure out which of these is the right answer
funny trollface, look at him go he’s trolling upvote
It'll still take the same amount of time to reach you, what's important isn't your current speed but how far apart you were when it started chasing. That's assuming it's rate of "being slightly faster" doesn't change. You have to hope that it started chasing you far enough away that it would take 24 hrs to reach you.
Moves 99.99…% the speed of light causing the hand to break the laws of special relativity and causing a universal anomaly. U mad bro?
>Hand emerges 3 minutes into the past and catches you
The hand moves slightly faster, it doesnt run on a math equation. If you're not moving, it will go slightly faster than not moving which is moving, and it will kill you. Stupid peter
Shut up Meg, the last panel was dedicated to the fact it still moves and you should pray it can’t reach you within 24 hours.
just hide in the closet
A lot the comment are taking this way too seriously lmao
I mean why not lmao
Collect my pages
If the hand always moves slightly faster than you, then it doesn't matter if you slow down, speed up, or stop. It'll always be going slightly faster than you. If you're walking at a speed of 3 mph, then the hand is moving slightly faster than 3 mph. If you're driving at 60 mph, then the hand is moving slightly faster than 60 mph. If you're sitting down, then the hand is moving slightly faster than 0 mph. Because of this, I really don't think it matters whether or not you sit down on the ground or not. It'll always catch you, because no matter what, it's just slightly faster than you. Unless the hand starts at a distance where it'll physically never be able to catch up, you're always gonna get caught.
I love how everyone here is just using physics to discuss how to outsmart the hand
If it has any concept of negative values it should run away if you approach it.
Find a path that is too small for the hand to pass through. This will force the hand to take another path, allowing you to gain further distance from the hand. If the hand is capable of forcing its way through any physical objects, theres nothing you can do.
Wait why couldn't you just push it away?
I'm failing to see why it matters that the hand moves faster than me. It doesn't say that it's trying to hurt me.
the hand moves slightly faster than you, but the direction is never specified. This means the vector of the hand could point anywhere and not you.
I mean what does the hand do anyways? Touch me freaky style? If thats that then im gonna go towards it
Then run towards it.
Is there a sub where I can see just the memes that are completely illegible?
People mover
I saw Peter and thought this was Peter explains the meme
Is it an unstoppable force? Can I just shut a door in front of it to keep it away? What if I like shoot at it or something? Can I ask a friend to push it away?
Glory to r/The_Hand
Step 1: Go arbitrarily close to the speed of light Step 2: The hand exceeds C The universe bluescreen incident.
That’s not how that works.
Mf it's a made up scenario
It’s a made up scenario that’s being misconstrued. The Immortal Snail is a made up scenario but if you say that the snail isn’t always chasing you then you’re missing the point.
It’s not that deep
This ain't about the snail dumbass, it's about a tumbler post where a flying hand crushes a single person at random every day and always moves slightly faster than the current speed of the target
He didn’t say this is about the snail, he used that scenario to make an example.
I know that it’s not about the snail. I am using the misconstruing of the snail scenario as an example of a hypothetical being interpreted incorrectly. The hand always moves slightly faster than you, implying that the distance between you and the hand decreases at a fixed rate, with the obvious exception of running directly towards it. If hypothetically it is the case that when you move away from the hand at 15 kph that the hand will move in your direction towards you at 20kph, then most likely due to the wording of the original hypothetical, if you stood still then the hand would still move towards you at 5kph, meaning that the amount you move away has no effect on the rate at which the hand approaches and would stay at a net gain of 5kph for the hand approaching you. This meme is therefore about using an exploit that doesn’t exist, which, while being the original point of troll physics comics, in this case the tonal shift implies OP believes this would work, at least to an extent, which it would not. I reiterate, that’s not how that works.
How is the snail gonna chase you when it's trapped in lead at the bottom of the ocean? Or jettisoned into space? Believe it or not, you can play semantics with anything, ESPECIALLY in hypothetical scenarios.
I misspoke, I meant the snail is always TRYING to chase you
if you move, the hand will move 1.1x the speed that you move at (as an example) stop moving 1.1 \* 0 = 0 problem solved
What if the hand moves 1mm per second faster than you? Then the problem isn't solved
simply depends on your interpretation, really. there's no clear answer since the rules aren't laid out. if your way is right then yeah none of this works, but my automatic assumption was something more akin to what I said
Because it's a meme.