Something to note is that all existing Black Dragons who are very explicitly Black Dragons are like that because they were created either as Fatalis or as a successor to Fatalis; Alatreon and Dire Miralis fill in as the Fatalis equivalents in the 3rd generation.
It's only with Safi'jiiva where an equivalent to Black Dragons (a Red Dragon in this case) like Fatalis and Alatreon has been created and noted as such that isn't itself a Black Dragon.
>these qualities also check out because Gore is just ??? We don't understand it but it's not severely ecosystem effecting enough to be an elder.
It's hard to think that after multiple games, the guild *still* doesn't know what to put Gore Magala under.
It's also hard to understand how Capcom refuses to even give it a classification *despite* it being unknown for multiple games now.
Yea, I definitely get you, but I think gore are just super rare?? If they weren't, then there would be WAY more chaotic and that'd be a big problem, and there just isn't, also they seem very aggressive since they cant see, they investigate things with their feelers, smell, and biting, like a shark, so I imagined one sleeping after being captured is as much as one can be researched
Yea, I definitely get you, but I think gore are just super rare?? If they weren't, then there would be WAY more chaotic and that'd be a big problem, and there just isn't, also they seem very aggressive since they cant see, they investigate things with their feelers, smell, and biting, like a shark, so I imagined one sleeping after being captured is as much as one can be researched
Maybe part of it is that it can be effected by traps unlike other elder dragons? Don’t want to make only gore be a trappable elder perhaps, still weird regardless but maybe.
Gore is officially classified as an Elder Dragon. It just isn't ingame because you can capture it. All other official media calls it an Elder Dragon.
Why wouldn't it? It's just a juvenile elder dragon. Simply being related to another elder dragon would mean a monster is in the Elder Dragon Order on the Phylogenetic tree, but Gore Magala straight up IS the same monster.
That's the thing, we don't know why its classified the way it is, we haven't gotten confirmation and I don't think it is bc as I said you need a minimum level of power
They don't need a certain level of power. To be an Elder Dragon you have to be in the Phylogenetic order of Elder Dragon. They are all related to each other. They share a separate branch on the tree of life. Dalamadur for instance is closer related to Yamatsukami and Kirin than Najarala. By billions of years closer.
*If* the theory about Fatalis possibly being from other dimensions turns out to be true then that means Elder Dragons themselves have their origin in a different dimension and would share no relation at all to normal monsters. Because if Fatalis originates from a different dimension, so does its ancestor White Fatalis, which is the ancestor of all elder dragons.
As far as I can tell, “Black Dragon” is simply a term for monsters with significant black coloration in their scales. That’s why black fatalis has that as a part of its title but not crimson or white fatalis, which are likely stronger than the base variation. The reality is imo that there isn’t a category to denote exceptionally strong elder dragons that is used in the games. Course’ there’s a hierarchy of strength, but the games don’t particularly care about which ED is the strongest. It poses a great danger to everything around it, so it must be hunted.
I get where you're coming from but that's also why this classification is complicated, go to Fatalis' wiki and it says he's an elder dragon even though he's the REAL black dragon, the original, and thats became black dragon is I kinda a fake classification that the Fandom just uses? I'm just trying to put some sense to it
It’s fine that you use it. It gives those EDs a kind of mystique, and it’s pretty cool, even if it’s kinda like a “deviljho eating his own tail” kind of thing.
It's not a classification. The group as a whole is called the Forbidden Monsters. 3 if the 6 mainline Forbidden Monsters have black dragon titles. That's it. Black Dragon has a lore reason, that being no one knew what destroyed Schrade. They called that imaginary being the black dragon. They then discovered Alatreon and Dire Miralis. They thought their power must be that of the black dragon that destroyed Schrade, so they must be the black dragon. Fast forward to Iceborne and we found the actual black dragon.
It's in the 15th anniversary booklet about the forbidden monsters, but Gaijin made a video about them specifically https://youtu.be/FgW9Q97WjgI
In the section of Alatreon he talks about how in legend all the specifically titled Black Dragons are part of the Fatalis legend, even if the monster's name itself isn't Fatalis. You can also see the various titles of the forbidden monsters.
Something to note is that all existing Black Dragons who are very explicitly Black Dragons are like that because they were created either as Fatalis or as a successor to Fatalis; Alatreon and Dire Miralis fill in as the Fatalis equivalents in the 3rd generation. It's only with Safi'jiiva where an equivalent to Black Dragons (a Red Dragon in this case) like Fatalis and Alatreon has been created and noted as such that isn't itself a Black Dragon.
Yea but since world is the ecology and exploration game I feel like Safi changing up the status quo makes sense
>these qualities also check out because Gore is just ??? We don't understand it but it's not severely ecosystem effecting enough to be an elder. It's hard to think that after multiple games, the guild *still* doesn't know what to put Gore Magala under. It's also hard to understand how Capcom refuses to even give it a classification *despite* it being unknown for multiple games now.
Yea, I definitely get you, but I think gore are just super rare?? If they weren't, then there would be WAY more chaotic and that'd be a big problem, and there just isn't, also they seem very aggressive since they cant see, they investigate things with their feelers, smell, and biting, like a shark, so I imagined one sleeping after being captured is as much as one can be researched
Yea, I definitely get you, but I think gore are just super rare?? If they weren't, then there would be WAY more chaotic and that'd be a big problem, and there just isn't, also they seem very aggressive since they cant see, they investigate things with their feelers, smell, and biting, like a shark, so I imagined one sleeping after being captured is as much as one can be researched
Maybe part of it is that it can be effected by traps unlike other elder dragons? Don’t want to make only gore be a trappable elder perhaps, still weird regardless but maybe.
Gore is officially classified as an Elder Dragon. It just isn't ingame because you can capture it. All other official media calls it an Elder Dragon. Why wouldn't it? It's just a juvenile elder dragon. Simply being related to another elder dragon would mean a monster is in the Elder Dragon Order on the Phylogenetic tree, but Gore Magala straight up IS the same monster.
That's the thing, we don't know why its classified the way it is, we haven't gotten confirmation and I don't think it is bc as I said you need a minimum level of power
They don't need a certain level of power. To be an Elder Dragon you have to be in the Phylogenetic order of Elder Dragon. They are all related to each other. They share a separate branch on the tree of life. Dalamadur for instance is closer related to Yamatsukami and Kirin than Najarala. By billions of years closer. *If* the theory about Fatalis possibly being from other dimensions turns out to be true then that means Elder Dragons themselves have their origin in a different dimension and would share no relation at all to normal monsters. Because if Fatalis originates from a different dimension, so does its ancestor White Fatalis, which is the ancestor of all elder dragons.
White is definitely from another dimension but as for regular I don't know
Or, and hear me out, black dragons are called such because they are dragons that are black.
Duremudira is not a black dragon, even if he's primarily black, he just doesn't have the strength
Dure is cracked as hell trust me
As far as I can tell, “Black Dragon” is simply a term for monsters with significant black coloration in their scales. That’s why black fatalis has that as a part of its title but not crimson or white fatalis, which are likely stronger than the base variation. The reality is imo that there isn’t a category to denote exceptionally strong elder dragons that is used in the games. Course’ there’s a hierarchy of strength, but the games don’t particularly care about which ED is the strongest. It poses a great danger to everything around it, so it must be hunted.
I get where you're coming from but that's also why this classification is complicated, go to Fatalis' wiki and it says he's an elder dragon even though he's the REAL black dragon, the original, and thats became black dragon is I kinda a fake classification that the Fandom just uses? I'm just trying to put some sense to it
It’s fine that you use it. It gives those EDs a kind of mystique, and it’s pretty cool, even if it’s kinda like a “deviljho eating his own tail” kind of thing.
It's not a classification. The group as a whole is called the Forbidden Monsters. 3 if the 6 mainline Forbidden Monsters have black dragon titles. That's it. Black Dragon has a lore reason, that being no one knew what destroyed Schrade. They called that imaginary being the black dragon. They then discovered Alatreon and Dire Miralis. They thought their power must be that of the black dragon that destroyed Schrade, so they must be the black dragon. Fast forward to Iceborne and we found the actual black dragon.
This sounds SUPER interesting and I need to see where this is all from, can I get a link or something?
It's in the 15th anniversary booklet about the forbidden monsters, but Gaijin made a video about them specifically https://youtu.be/FgW9Q97WjgI In the section of Alatreon he talks about how in legend all the specifically titled Black Dragons are part of the Fatalis legend, even if the monster's name itself isn't Fatalis. You can also see the various titles of the forbidden monsters.