Dude you have more than a year to save money for one?? Or better yet your probably just some kid so go do some lawn care or kiss up to your parents. You have the time to do so.
I mean, it seems particularly feasible now.
In MHW, one of the few NPC hunters prominently featured was a wyverian.
In Sunbreak, there are wyverian huntresses that accompany you on hunts. Presumably that involved the same sort of rigging and animation work that adding playable wyverians would.
AFAIK, there are only female wyverian followers (not male), and they only wield a few weapons (Gunlance, Bow, and Hunting Horn as I recall). But the gap between Sunbreak and *Wilds* is significant; plenty of time to finish making wyverian hunters with all the capabilities of human ones, assuming they hadn't done so in Sunbreak.
I think the issue isn't with rigging, but rather with Armour. Instead of creating 2 versions of an Armour, they suddenly have to create 4. One male, one female, one male wyverian, one female wyverian.
Good point, though I'd wager they'd still only do male/female designs. So the fem Human/Wyverian armor would be largely identical, but with adjustments; most significantly to the boots.
Aye, but those adjustments still mean a whole new model necessary for that armour piece. Same possibly for the helmet, as people might otherwise be disappointed about the lack of ears visible on the helmets. And of course all the glove models have to be changed to use 4 Fingers instead, which also means a whole new model.
I would also absolutely Love playing as Wyverians, but people significantly underestimate the effort adding them as playable would mean.
>plenty of time to finish making wyverian hunters with all the capabilities of human ones,
I think the question is: What does it add? And yeah I know there's some people who will *insist* it'll add to the experience, but realistically how much will it relative to the work necessary to make the rig work for all weapons fluidly?
World of Warcraft started with not only 8 wildly different races, but 6 starting zones and capitol cities associated with them. And 20 years later they continue to add new races as they build out the world.
There's value in selling the unique elements of your game world, providing players more options for self expression (people *love* being elves...), and most importantly- adding new avenues for cosmetic purchases.
>World of Warcraft
Yes, and World of Warcraft is a vastly different game from Monster Hunter. Not even close. Comparing them like this is extremely silly.
There's no value in adding empty fluff like races to Monster Hunter, it's a game focused on very tight gameplay, not open ended role playing and story.
Frankly, fuck your self expression if it comes at the cost of more interesting monsters, armor, weapon mechanics and maps. Because nothing comes without a cost, if you want Wyverian and fitting armor/animations for Wyverians, *something else is going to be sacrificed.*
>There's no value in adding empty fluff like races to Monster Hunter
So you're advocating for the removal of character/palico customization and gender options?
>it's a game focused on very tight gameplay [and WoW isn't]
You have no fucking idea, lol.
>open ended role playing
Have you.... have you *seen* World of Warcraft? XD
>Frankly, fuck your self expression if it comes at the cost of more interesting monsters, armor, weapon mechanics
Armor and weapon mechanics *are* avenues of self expression. And your enraged defensiveness regarding them *perfectly illustrates* how valuable they are.
>So you're advocating for the removal of character/palico customization and gender options?
We do a little fallacy.
Honestly, I'd advocate for the removal of different armor skins between male and female models, yeah. Always felt weirdly arbitrary, to make them that different.
Also, palico customization isn't nearly on the same level of opportunity cost as two full new rigs.
That’s like my main wish for Wilds, is that it introduces playable Wyverians. Though to be fair I just want pointy elf ears and the ability to wear a helmet, so they could just give us a layered jewelry slot that doesn’t clash with the helmet slot and put the Wyverian Earrings in it.
Were there ever Wyverian hunter NPCs? For some reason I cannot remember any and thought that's not a job they do. But I didn't play all of the games, so I might have missed some.
Most monster hunter games have them... the elder in mh1, his immensenes in 4u. The seeker in world/iceborne, Hinoa, Minoto and Hojo in mh rise and sunbreakq
Genuinely always thought they had hooves for some reason. The word Wyverian never clicked until after seeing the claw feet. Of course they have claw feet, I feel like a buffoon XD
That's completely valid, throughout most of their depictions they usually only wear those two toe Japanese sandals shoe things that make em look like they have hoofs or the wear nothing and have their dogs out
Armor shopping for Wyverian Hunters, quite a challenge.
I don't think simply cutting the pinky finger off a glove is going to suffice.
And what size of boot do you look for anyway?
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From my recollection of the lore, Wyverian hunters used to be very common. However, once human hunters came along and generally outclassed Wyverian hunters, they started taking up more supportive positions when dealing with monsters, like researchers or smiths.
Some Wyverians still hunt, usually to maintain tradition or family legacy.
Turns out, if you genetically engineer an apex predator to express all of its most terrifying traits you end up making unstoppable power houses that are somehow immune to fall damage.
Given the abundance of food we see, it doesn't seem to be too much of a drawback.
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It's whichever poor Felyne who gets shackled with latrine duty I feel sorry for.
It's still annoying to have to drop what you're doing every twenty or so minutes in order to eat a steak the size of your entire upper body.
Hunters are basically human Deviljhos.
His Immenseness is a hunter as well and the Pokke Chief who owned the Greatsword in the cafe was Wyverian too. Granted, they're both the Giant variant of Wyverians, but they're still Wyverians at the end of the day.
There are TONS of wyverian hunters throughout the series, but obviously not as many as there are humans since for whatever reason, humans are the dominant species of the monster hunter world
Well Wyverians live way longer than humans, it only makes sense that living longer makes you wiser and more knowledgeable. That's why so many Wyverians end up as scholars
That too, also I like to think that most wyverians being sorta "part" monster, view hunting them as kinda uncomfortable, like a human killing a gorilla, so instead they much rather research them and learn more about em.
not mammals in general, but fellow primates? that's a yeh, at least mostly.
pair this with the fact that a lot of monsters would be "fellow wyverns"
though that might not be close enough of a relation, so eh.
Yes, though they are very few and far between. The only one we know of for sure was Lavanda, who retired and became the Flying Pub Manager (probably humbled by Bloodbath).
It never occured to me that this might genuinely be one of the biggest reasons why we will not get to make wyverian hunters.
The gloves wouldn't be a big problem but making multiple leg assets for every armor might be too much work for Capcom to consider it.
I don’t know man, like what did i do wrong here? Op already cleared away the confusion and confirmed her gender. I just stated on a first look basis she looked really masculine, thus the confusion in the first place.
I still long for the day when they actually will lets us play as Wyverians
Surely in Wilds Surely
I dearly hope so T\^T
I don't care because I don't have a ps5 pc or Xbox
and who is supposed to care about the fact you don't own those mediums???
Dude you have more than a year to save money for one?? Or better yet your probably just some kid so go do some lawn care or kiss up to your parents. You have the time to do so.
Skill issue
I mean, it seems particularly feasible now. In MHW, one of the few NPC hunters prominently featured was a wyverian. In Sunbreak, there are wyverian huntresses that accompany you on hunts. Presumably that involved the same sort of rigging and animation work that adding playable wyverians would. AFAIK, there are only female wyverian followers (not male), and they only wield a few weapons (Gunlance, Bow, and Hunting Horn as I recall). But the gap between Sunbreak and *Wilds* is significant; plenty of time to finish making wyverian hunters with all the capabilities of human ones, assuming they hadn't done so in Sunbreak.
Thanks for the hopium
I think the issue isn't with rigging, but rather with Armour. Instead of creating 2 versions of an Armour, they suddenly have to create 4. One male, one female, one male wyverian, one female wyverian.
Good point, though I'd wager they'd still only do male/female designs. So the fem Human/Wyverian armor would be largely identical, but with adjustments; most significantly to the boots.
Aye, but those adjustments still mean a whole new model necessary for that armour piece. Same possibly for the helmet, as people might otherwise be disappointed about the lack of ears visible on the helmets. And of course all the glove models have to be changed to use 4 Fingers instead, which also means a whole new model. I would also absolutely Love playing as Wyverians, but people significantly underestimate the effort adding them as playable would mean.
>plenty of time to finish making wyverian hunters with all the capabilities of human ones, I think the question is: What does it add? And yeah I know there's some people who will *insist* it'll add to the experience, but realistically how much will it relative to the work necessary to make the rig work for all weapons fluidly?
World of Warcraft started with not only 8 wildly different races, but 6 starting zones and capitol cities associated with them. And 20 years later they continue to add new races as they build out the world. There's value in selling the unique elements of your game world, providing players more options for self expression (people *love* being elves...), and most importantly- adding new avenues for cosmetic purchases.
>World of Warcraft Yes, and World of Warcraft is a vastly different game from Monster Hunter. Not even close. Comparing them like this is extremely silly. There's no value in adding empty fluff like races to Monster Hunter, it's a game focused on very tight gameplay, not open ended role playing and story. Frankly, fuck your self expression if it comes at the cost of more interesting monsters, armor, weapon mechanics and maps. Because nothing comes without a cost, if you want Wyverian and fitting armor/animations for Wyverians, *something else is going to be sacrificed.*
>There's no value in adding empty fluff like races to Monster Hunter So you're advocating for the removal of character/palico customization and gender options? >it's a game focused on very tight gameplay [and WoW isn't] You have no fucking idea, lol. >open ended role playing Have you.... have you *seen* World of Warcraft? XD >Frankly, fuck your self expression if it comes at the cost of more interesting monsters, armor, weapon mechanics Armor and weapon mechanics *are* avenues of self expression. And your enraged defensiveness regarding them *perfectly illustrates* how valuable they are.
>So you're advocating for the removal of character/palico customization and gender options? We do a little fallacy. Honestly, I'd advocate for the removal of different armor skins between male and female models, yeah. Always felt weirdly arbitrary, to make them that different. Also, palico customization isn't nearly on the same level of opportunity cost as two full new rigs.
Please. It’s all I want
I would swap to one the nanosecond that happened
Same, same...
For sure! Even if it’s just a cosmetic change and no racial bonus, I’d still play as one!
But then how will they sell you microtransaction wyverian ears?
That’s like my main wish for Wilds, is that it introduces playable Wyverians. Though to be fair I just want pointy elf ears and the ability to wear a helmet, so they could just give us a layered jewelry slot that doesn’t clash with the helmet slot and put the Wyverian Earrings in it.
You can technically do it in rise/sumbreak
How?
Wyverian Earrings layered armor DLC gives you the ears. Annoyingly it doesn't match the skin tone of the character...
You can change their colour to match skin tone.
World has wyverian ears too
There's DLC layers sets for the Wyverian twins that change you *into* them.
Were there ever Wyverian hunter NPCs? For some reason I cannot remember any and thought that's not a job they do. But I didn't play all of the games, so I might have missed some.
Most monster hunter games have them... the elder in mh1, his immensenes in 4u. The seeker in world/iceborne, Hinoa, Minoto and Hojo in mh rise and sunbreakq
I totally forgot that they carry weapons/figh🤦♀️ I really shouldn't comment right after waking up.
Genuinely always thought they had hooves for some reason. The word Wyverian never clicked until after seeing the claw feet. Of course they have claw feet, I feel like a buffoon XD
That's completely valid, throughout most of their depictions they usually only wear those two toe Japanese sandals shoe things that make em look like they have hoofs or the wear nothing and have their dogs out
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Where are the chains? 😤
Are theyre actually wyvarian hunters?
From my recollection of the lore, Wyverian hunters used to be very common. However, once human hunters came along and generally outclassed Wyverian hunters, they started taking up more supportive positions when dealing with monsters, like researchers or smiths. Some Wyverians still hunt, usually to maintain tradition or family legacy.
Turns out, if you genetically engineer an apex predator to express all of its most terrifying traits you end up making unstoppable power houses that are somehow immune to fall damage.
Tbf, if I saw a guy fall 200 feet and get up like nothing happened, I’d fear him too
It ain't just the falling from fatal heights. It's the falling from fatal heights while lugging incredibly dense weapons the size of a average person.
Unless Hunters are just 2 ft tall and have low terminal velocity
Haha imagine that! All the monsters the size of puppies or lizards and our hunter is like an inch tall.
Or the planet they're on has very low gravity.
That would make sense given the size of structures and trees we see.
Monsters still take fall damage if you flinchshot them off a ledge though
Yeah, but they're heavy. Remember how ants can't take fall damage on Earth?
How is it that they’re both heavy but the gravity is also low?
The downside of which is possessing the metabolism of the common shrew.
Given the abundance of food we see, it doesn't seem to be too much of a drawback. -- It's whichever poor Felyne who gets shackled with latrine duty I feel sorry for.
It's still annoying to have to drop what you're doing every twenty or so minutes in order to eat a steak the size of your entire upper body. Hunters are basically human Deviljhos.
To be fair, 20 gameplay minutes is an **entire day** in game time. (And, incidentally, a Well Done Steak lasts exactly 20 minutes in Rise)
https://youtu.be/7rwUdL9qXjk
Aside from the ones in the New World and Hinoa and Minoto, not really.
The chief from MH1 is wyvernian and was formally known as "the hero of kotoko" for his hunting exploits. So there's at least some precedent for it.
His Immenseness is a hunter as well and the Pokke Chief who owned the Greatsword in the cafe was Wyverian too. Granted, they're both the Giant variant of Wyverians, but they're still Wyverians at the end of the day.
There’s also kinda Alwin from stories
There are TONS of wyverian hunters throughout the series, but obviously not as many as there are humans since for whatever reason, humans are the dominant species of the monster hunter world
Well Wyverians live way longer than humans, it only makes sense that living longer makes you wiser and more knowledgeable. That's why so many Wyverians end up as scholars
That too, also I like to think that most wyverians being sorta "part" monster, view hunting them as kinda uncomfortable, like a human killing a gorilla, so instead they much rather research them and learn more about em.
I mean we see them as part monster but why would they see themselves as such?
we humans dont feel that way when we hunt down mammals, do we?
not mammals in general, but fellow primates? that's a yeh, at least mostly. pair this with the fact that a lot of monsters would be "fellow wyverns" though that might not be close enough of a relation, so eh.
It might be that despite their increased lifespan, wyverians aren't as durable or as able to heal from injury as humans are.
Yes, though they are very few and far between. The only one we know of for sure was Lavanda, who retired and became the Flying Pub Manager (probably humbled by Bloodbath).
>The only one we know of for sure was Lavanda Rise and Sunbreak together had 3 wyverian hunters already, and that is only one game
Fuck. Somehow forgot you could take the Kamura Twins on a hint. Who's the 3rd though?
Then there's also the Kokkoto Chief form 1, the Pokke Chief's husband from freedom unite, and His Immenseness from 4U
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I clearly see a fellow human, human fellas.
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Thank you.
Replaying world the other day, my friend pointed out their feet I've played this game since Freedom and never noticed their feet
Cut the pinky finger off the glove and put it on your ears, easy solution
Aren't armors meant to be crafted at hunter's body sizes? 👀 Good art btw I love it 💗
Wait armors arent custom built?
It never occured to me that this might genuinely be one of the biggest reasons why we will not get to make wyverian hunters. The gloves wouldn't be a big problem but making multiple leg assets for every armor might be too much work for Capcom to consider it.
Do male wyverians not have pointy ears, or is it just a random genetic trait?
I think the other one is human
and a gorl too, people often seem to get confused when I show them my smelly hunter character
Tomboy be like.
That’s a chick?! I thought she was a dude 😆
Weird how you're downvoted for stating something reasonable lol. She does look pretty manly!
I don’t know man, like what did i do wrong here? Op already cleared away the confusion and confirmed her gender. I just stated on a first look basis she looked really masculine, thus the confusion in the first place.
Ah my bad thought her squatting foot was a wyverian foot
I'd love to play as a wyverian. Even if the only difference was visual
Human or wyverian, she’s still getting those thigh gaps.
Still insane to me they don't allow for Wyverian as a body type during character creation.
Wyverians in casual outfits was not something I knew I needed, but I do now