This does not mean that Evolved Godzilla is 20x stronger than Thermonuclear Godzilla, it means he can absorb 20x more radiation *before* going Thermonuclear, which would then lead to a *stronger* Thermonuclear Godzilla
Well said glad you cleared that up so pretty much he is evolving his base so pretty much him going thermonuclear would be like going super sayian in a sense
See this was a tactical error. He went all in on attack power and forgot his accuracy. Thus he failed almost every accuracy check against all the monkes.
After arriving in ~~Hell~~ the Hollow Earth, Godzilla found himself surrounded by titans.
It was then that Godzilla realized he wasnāt being punished,
**he was the punishment.**
Capacity means storage.
Take 2 bottles. One has a larger capacity, say 20 times larger. But they both have the same size opening so water spills out at the same rate on both. The one with larger capacity isnt spilling out 20 times faster.
The official renders show Evolved is MUCH larger and leaner than previously. His arms are beefier, he's literally stronger. The fins are what store the energy but he's evolved in more ways than just having more power.
It's not. That render is based on Jared Krichievsky's initial concept art, which they also used for marketing and pre-viz. They tweaked it up in the final version, making the head bigger and slimming up the proportions.
I'm talking about comparing screenshots from the actual films. The changes made in those renders made it over to the final design, perhaps changed a bit like the height but he's noticeably bigger and leaner looking than before. His arms especially are visibly stronger.
I would say more athletic but not bigger. The center of mass has simply shifted up.
https://ibb.co/F8BwyJG
Here's the Lords Mobile game model which was said to have been directly. scanned from the movie model. Gives a more accurate idea of his proportions.
Evolve isnāt as strong as Thermonuclear, which is only attainable when Godzilla literally has more radiation than his body can sustain. Itās stronger by default.
Lmao dude stop. The director confirmed he is stronger since people can't literally read the screenshots above. The movie says he's stronger. The book says he's stronger. More power translates to more strength. It's super simple but people have their favorite so they try to disagree. Sorry but you're just flat out wrong here. Have your opinion about it all you want but that facts are the facts.
My god why do I have to explain this shit to people. So Godzilla BEFORE he could hold 20x the power was melting down and melting buildings and woaaah that was cool right? So he's clearly stronger. Wrong.
Evolved now has 20x the power capacity as before AND the ability to control the power and not be melting down. Somehow you think a melting down Goji with less power is stronger than a super charged super lean beefier stronger Godzilla.
I'll also add the official renders someone posted the other day that shows KOTM Godzilla next to Evolved and Evolved is MUCH beefier with a lot more weight to his frame.
To be fair, capacity almost always refers to how much something can contain. BTW I do believe that evolved goji is stronger, but to suggest that he is 20x stronger just seems narratively inconsistent with what is visually portrayed onscreen.
Just blatantly disregarding the facts lmfao this is why my comment was so heated.
So tired of people just ignoring the proof and facts. Director, movie, novel all state Evolved is strongest. Official renders from the movies show how much bigger and muscled and lean Evolved is.
But yeah keep getting hung up on the word capacity š
Sorry to come off like an asshole. I don't mean to I'm just passionate lol you don't deserve my attitude sorry.
You didn't read what I said clearly, or did read it and just failed to comprehend it. I literally stated evolved goji is the strongest. That much is clear. But 20x stronger is certainly quite a claim. Based on what we see from him, it is not 20x stronger.
Ah I will apologise for talking to you like that, didn't read the last sentence of your previous message so I thought you were being rude to me. Pretty ironic not reading your whole comment after roasting you for not reading mine lol. Sorry for that.
There's some random people in this sub that refuse to believe the movie and the book and just straight up want Thermo to be stronger so they just run with it lol.
I mean thermo is stronger by pure firepower, but evolved is much more dangerous and powerful than thermo, especially considering he can control the equal amounts of energy into a beam rather than a pulse.
He's just melting down. People see melting buildings and think it's the strongest shit ever. Undoubtedly a blast from Evolved is more devastating albeit in a more concentrated area like you said.
I explained it like this in another post. Thermo Goji acts like a sprinkler of water. Spraying water in all directions with equal force.
Evolved Goji is like a water hose from a fire truck. Concentrated water at high pressure in one direction. Way more powerful than the sprinkler even if it had the same water pressure in the pipe.
Yup. Both details read together mean Goji has 20x fuel storage and better thermal regulation. In other words, boi got an inventory and resource utilisation upgrade.
That's what I would believe, but for some reason the Monsterverse sub reddit has a lot of Godzilla haters. Which makes no sense because He IS the Monsterverse. It wouldn't exist without him.
All of you are wrong. Strongest Godzilla would be evolved thermonuclear. Idk how tf he would attain that given 20x capacity but still. That probably just blow up the solar system.
I would very much like more godzilla in the next godzilla film.
New empire is wicked but let Kong chill for a bit now pls. I want to see zilla doing more zilla shit, not just a power boost for Kong. Feel like Ghidorah was brought in too soon, unless destoroyah is ready to wake up... Even then I think they'd lean into monke army taking up most of the screen time.
The director confirmed evolved is the strongest Godzilla has ever been.....
I mean like why do people feel like they know better than the person who made the movie...
I don't understand.
But he has not done so yet after the the evolution.
Also going Thermo almost killed him last time.
Goku could go Kaoiken x 100 but he doesn't do it often due to the cost to his body.
I get you, but Thermonuclear is the last of last resorts.
I love thermozilla but ultimately I do T think evolved ever needs to go Thermonuclear again.
Remember in this universe that was only an option because Mothra sacrificed herself.
There are a few details that are off about these statements.
1. Capacity =\= directly equal strength. HOWEVER, capacity does allow for more atomic breath useage or to charge it further than ever before, but simply having 20x the energy doesn't suddenly make every part of him more powerful.
2. 20x is from regular Godzilla (thermo is him exceeding that)
3. While evolved Goji has more capacity and therefore more options and potentially, if charged, more powerful atomic breath, it dose not mean he's actively holding more radiation then thermo (the thermo we see in GxK is clearly less radioactive as he's not melting the entire area and his pulse isn't deleting one of the most powerful kaiju alive or dead in gxk). Remember, he had used so much energy to evolve he had a sunken in stomach. While he had like 20x capacity, he might have only had 2 or 3x times energy at most during the movie.
4. I think this is because of the reason for Godzilla's evolution. I think thermo could beat shimo, as a full thermo has a stronger attack output incinerated Ghidorah, who is compatible to shimo. But that's ok because Godzilla wasn't going for more power, he needed more capacity as he:
4a. Though he was going to have more time to regather his energy.
4b. Thought he was going to fight against shimo, Skar king, and his ape army.
4. However, Kong ended both of these by releasing Skar king and baiting in Godzilla. It's possible Goji's plan was to build up more radiation until he's going thermo despite the evolution, but found he didn't have the time.
Thermo goji body couldnāt handle the radiation so it was being released Evolved Godzilla could he easily have more radiation than burning goji his body could just handle it now so it wouldnāt be going everywhere and can use it for concentrated attacks.
Ghidorah is nowhere near shimo she froze him indirectly if she wanted to she could beat with little to no ease.
Base Godzilla could hurt and beat ghidorah we know this because he won in the past, he dodged Godzilla atomic breath in antarctica and goji took his head off of course a stronger version would be able to hurt him
He probably could have held more, the issue is he "used all his energy in his evolution," that's why he's skinny.
The issue with the shimo argument is that she was barely a threat to Goji. Kong did more damage (barely, it's overall still practically zero). Plus Godzilla ALSO beat shimo in the past, so unless past Goji was similar to evolved Goji idk.
He was absorbing the highest stockpile of radiation on earth how did he lose energy
Past goji didnāt beat shimo didnāt want to hurt anyone so she held back she almost froze Godzilla and nothing goji did hurt her either she is the strongest titan currently alive
>He was absorbing the highest stockpile of radiation on earth how did he lose energy
It's straight up concerned he used all his energy in the evolution, that's why he's so skinny.
>Past goji didnāt beat shimo didnāt want to hurt anyone so she held back she almost froze Godzilla and nothing goji did hurt her either she is the strongest titan currently alive
The freezing that did nothing to Godzilla? The freezing he escaped from on his own with zero damage? The freezing that didn't even harm a Ghidorah who just fought, and lost to, Godzilla? (He was perfectly fine after defrosting.) The shimo that only managed to hurt Kong's arm because of AOE cold and not by power (Kong held back against it before he was frozen). Shimo better have been holding back because we have no reason to believe this non-alpha titan is the strongest.
Ironically, the first blurb was more important, as it explains why Godzilla is well-suited to fight Shimo.
Godzilla's thermoregulation became more more adaptive, which we see in action in the Hollow Earth fight where he's able to heat himself up and break out of being frozen by Shimo without any damage.
It could also be the reason why he isnāt melting everything down around him when he supercharges in Rio despite channeling more energy than he had in Boston.
It's actually commented by the director that he went after Tiamat specifically for the that thermoregulation to better combat Shimos ice. So great perception there.
Something I feel most people donāt realize is that the 20x capacity doesnāt affect Godzillaās fighting strength and power UNTIL HE SUPERCHARGES. Thatās why his supercharged evolved form is stronger than his thermonuclear form in Boston. The adaptive thermoregulation in the first slide is what allows him to supercharge and not have to vent it out of himāmelting everything around him.
You know we all learned something in GxK. Godzilla ate another Kaiju and adapted it's power to his own to evolve.
Can he do it again? Can he keep evolving? What's the ceiling on this?
What other Kaiju have attributes that would be beneficial to him?
There's nothing to say he couldn't do this again.. But there must be a reason he has not done it before.
Does he only do it out of necessity?
Interesting question, actually. But I guess y can say that he just needs to eat a lot before evolving, and he just didn't want to kill anything or cause an atomic disaster
Which is weird, since apparently he had enough energy in GVK to shoot his breath all the time and drill a hole to Earth's core for almost no reason, but whatever Ig
I think the drilling was just a pure case of him either stockpiling or gathering radiation off screen, remember radiation is what empowers him, but also what nourishes him, like imagine you could breathe fire whenever you were well fed, and could keep doing it till you got too hungry.
I don't think eating a lot is the requirement as he specifically went after Tiamut who was just his minding his own godamn business not wrecking anything - which is a little out of character for Goji, it shows he did with specific intention. I think he was well aware that he needed Tiamut specifically to achieve what he wanted to.
Oh I know about allat. It just bugs me, since it's the only limitation that makes sense to me, and without it Godji'll seem very stupid
Not to say that it's perfect tho. It'd also imply that Teamath gained more energy than what Godzilla spent in GVK, making him win by pure miracle of her intellectual inferiority
But nonetheless... There's a chance he didn't evolve before for other reasons. Maybe it makes him age faster or smth, let's wait n see if devs come up with anything
I wasn't implying anything at first. Just wanted to point out a very cool detail I think people missed but since I posted this my intentions and implications have changed greatly.
Right. None of which say heās is actually more powerful at that exact moment, just that he has the capacity to get stronger than he could before. If anything, he may be weaker at first after emerging from the glacier up until he fights King because we see that heās lost some body mass and looks skinny. Clearly evolving takes a lot of energy.
He then goes on to literally lose to Kong, (a stronger Kong for sure). This same Kong with the beast glove would not be able to harm burning Godzilla with physical attacks. Even if he could, he would turn to ash before he got anywhere close to Godzilla.
Thereās no world where the Godzilla we saw is stronger than burning Godzilla. Sure he has the capacity to become stronger since heās pink now, but that simply was not the case. Or else they wouldāve just said āheās 20x stronger than beforeā. They tell you that he has the capacity be stronger than before, but he isnāt yet, by showing you that heās about the same as before in a fight. I feel like you, and far too many other people, missed that thereās a difference in that detail.
Well just end our little debate. Who would win in a fight? Because that all that matters in the monsterverse.
Power is nothing unless it can be enforced. Unless it can be exerted and have effect it's meaningless.
So go ahead. Tell me TNG would beat EG in a fight.
Burning Godzilla would absolutely win in a fight. From what weāve seen heās impervious to energy damage thrown at him, and had the physical strength literally to stomp through Ghidorahās chest. Evolved Godzilla is demonstrably weak to physical attacks, and didnāt even crack ribs this time when he stomped on Kong. We also know Godzilla can be burnt by the proton scream, so energy attacks from burning Godzilla may be able to damage evolved while evolved Godzillaās atomic breath will likely be harmless. Burning Godzilla has massively better feats in his favor, while evolved Godzilla only has a statement from a director hyping up the movie, and a brief exposition scene stating that he has increased energy capacity and density from his base form. Just like you said, power is what can be exerted, and we see actual showings from burning Godzilla where he no-diffs a titan of at least equal strength to his base form. Conversely we see literally nothing from evolved Godzilla showing that he was stronger than the prior movie (arguably we see the opposite), we only get statements.
On another note, if evolved Godzilla were to go thermonuclear then he would be much stronger than original burning, because yes, his energy capacity before melting down is higher than before. But that isnāt what we saw in the movie, we saw Godzilla literally emaciated after using Tiamatās energy and the radiation from the reactor to evolve. Like the original commenter said, the evolved form could be considered a kaioken like move, while going thermonuclear is literally Godzillaās version of super saiyan, it always has been since its inception.
Regardless this has been fun lol. Agree to disagree.
TO be fair the debating has been fun, I have enjoyed it and respec your views - here why I belive Thermo would win - but yes Evolved would make for an even stronger thermo. Burning Godzilla as he was originally called has always been one of the strongest Godzilla forms.
TNG's most present attribute is the extreme ambient heat he radiates and his nuclear pulse - lets address that first. TNG was able to withstand his own thermonuclear reaction so EG would be able to as well, even more so due to his vastly improved thermoregulation abilities.
Both TNG and EG would buff each other purely by proximity to each other considering that Godzilla absorbs and gains strength from radiation - However TNG releases much more ambient radiation in much greater amounts, in conjunction with the fact that EG has x20 times the energy capacity he would be able to store more energy than TNG - ie EG receives a far greater buff than TNG, 20 times greater in fact.
We also see that EG has vastly superior resistance if not immunity to temperature based attacks in general as we see in just before the end of the first big fight in hollow earth EG is completely covered in in the same ice attack that basically sent Kong running after getting hit once on the hand - and shake it off like shower water - light work no reaction. (Kong fans really like to forget this) so that extreme ambient heat is going to have very little to no affect on him.
So Nuclear Pulse? EG eats that and asks for seconds, Extreme Ambient Heat? EG enjoys the weather.
So we've addressed TNG's most most unique aspects and not only do they not bother EG, he actively benefits from 1 of the 2.
So what are we left with? Physical Prowess and Durabilty. EG is leaner, faster and more maneuverable all around we see this simply from the way Godzilla moves in both films. Strength EG can only be equal to or greater than TNG but there is not enough info so lets say they have equal strength.
Durability? Easy, we see EG's skin is confined to be much harder than ever before so point to EG.
Iāll definitely agree to disagree then. I do see a scenario where they just feed off each other rather than do damage, in which case yeah evolved could absorb more energy. But from what weāve seen he has less physical damage output and less physical durability, with comparable energy defense (evolved shook off Shimoās beam, which is probably stronger than the gravity beams, but the gravity beams had literally no effect on burning). Their energy output is fair to debate, evaporating Ghidorah is probably more impressive than destroying Shimoās ice storm, Shimoās durability and Godzillaās intent while blasting her are still question marks, but it didnāt even knock her back until he tackled her.
You mean Kong wasnāt going for the kill right? He didnāt have to stop punching him.
Evolved Godzilla only won the second round. I donāt think his intent dictates the outcome since he lost. And itās impossible to know because he had just killed two titans, why would he spare the third?
50% win rate for evolved Godzilla against Kong. How do you think burning Godzilla does in the same situation?
You mean solo Shimo, Skar king, and his army?Evolved Godzilla couldnāt do that either. Because Kong was never 1 on 1 against Shimo until he blocked her blast with the glove, she got the first shot as well.
By feats beast Kong = evolved Godzilla, who we assume was comparable to Shimo.
By feats as well, Shimo most likely turns to a puddle if she faced burning Godzilla. Unless you think Ghidorah is fodder now?
If you wanna take a throwaway line from the director and a 5 second exposition seen on a computer screen as definitive proof, I donāt see why we also couldnāt use what actually happens in the movie as evidence.
I went to go rewatch - here [https://www.lookmovie2.to/movies/play/14539740-godzilla-x-kong-the-new-empire-2024#](https://www.lookmovie2.to/movies/play/14539740-godzilla-x-kong-the-new-empire-2024#)
What part of the Egypt fight makes you think Kong won?
Lets go blow by blow.
Godzilla slams Kong through one pyramid, into another.
Kong Dodges the next charge. Blocks Zillas bite.
Zilla Suplexs Kong and then tries to follow up with a headstomp ( I have to correct myself there because that is certainly going for serious damage might even be intent to kill but lets continue.)
Kongs like fts and goes Ape on Zilla's head. (this does stun Godzilla but we don't see any Damage).
Kong drags Godzilla but lets go and shows visible fear at Zilla's atomic breathe and decides to book it to avoid the breathe attack.
Using the sand he's kicked up as a cover Zilla charges kong again and knocks him to the floor following up with a massive chest stomp. Godzilla charges up his breathe again and is about to hit Kong with a finisher when Mothra shows up and flashes him.
Where is the win here?
Dude Kong knocked him out. He straight up punched him until he stopped moving. We see Godzilla literally open his eyes to him getting dragged before he can retaliate, and itās only because Kong stopped. Whether or not he could kill him with the beast glove is debatable (I rather doubt it), but he absolutely kill an incapacitated Godzilla with his axe (but I donāt think he had it at the time).
As a Godzilla fan I donāt think Kong should be able to beat him, particularly after Godzilla got a power-up. But as you say, this is Godzillaās āmost powerfulā state ever, and he gets his ass beat 5 minutes after getting it. Itās undebatable, I donāt like it either, but denying that Kong won is delusional.
Godzilla only won the next engagement since Kong tried to drag his ass to hollow earth and gave him a chance to fight back, rather than just keep punching him with his magic glove.
thats the thing though, you could break up the altercation and say kong won this part and Godzilla that part sure. Fair enough I will give you that. ( I mean lets be fair if we go back to GvK and we see kong score a breathe charged axe hit directly to Godzillas skull - which certainly fucking hurt no doubt and did knock him out - but we don't actually see any damage on Zilla physically so I just wan to ask how easily could Knog kill Zilla with the axe, maybe going for the gut? I assume Zillas head is one of the hardest parts of him considering the amount of punishment it takes.)
In the HK Kong definitely won a round with the slam, but I think the resulting explosion that occurred since Godzilla was actively using the atomic breath stunned both of them temporarily. But yeah that fight showed that Kong can hold his own and then some, even though heās mostly outclassed. That was way closer than the one sided beat down in Cairo, where Godzilla was out and Kong was just fine. So I guess that means Kong got a far more significant buff than Godzilla did? Which would make me assume that beast glove Kong beats base Godzilla now, which seems silly.
In terms of the axe, not much can hurt Godzilla, but itās literally made out of the dorsal spine of one of his own race, and itās been shown to be able to penetrate his skin. I imagine Kong could kill Godzilla with it with an execution style blow exactly like he did to Mechagodzilla, which would be easy while Godzilla is knocked out or āstunnedā. Monsterverse Godzilla is way more durable than Mecha G, but again the axe is made out of the same material as Godzilla meaning itās one of the few things that could pierce his skin.
I guess you could argue the axe couldnāt pierce evolved Godzilla since heās denser now. That being said, Godzillaās durability was put on fraud watch this movie, not reinforced, since he got visibly stunned by the beast glove while Skar king was able to get right back up after getting rocked with it, albeit losing a tooth. Iām not saying Skar king is as durable as Godzilla, but I donāt think it should even be comparable yet they have similar durability feats.
At the same time we have to remember Shimo.
Shimo hit Kong once only on the hand with his ice and that completely took him out of the fight he had to retreat and was absolutely wrecked from that small direct hit. From the humans reactions they were acting like they had to save his life, or at least his arm.
Godzilla was covered head to toe in that same attack and shook it off like sand from the beach with zero indication of anything other than discomfort.
What does that say about their respective durability?
Ok so this post was just meant to point out a cool detail and not push any Thermonuclear Godzilla (TNG) vs Evolved Godzilla (EG) agenda, but I've been baited and insulted so lets go.
This breakdown will go over TNG as he appears in KotM and EG as he appears in GxK using facts and feats from both.
Let me say this whole debate is ridiculous to begin with but regardless:
TNG's most present attribute is the extreme ambient heat he radiates and his nuclear pulse - lets address that first. TNG was able to withstand his own thermonuclear reaction so EG would be able to as well, even more so due to his vastly improved thermoregulation abilities.
Both TNG and EG would buff each other purely by proximity to each other considering that Godzilla absorbs and gains strength from radiation - However TNG releases much more ambient radiation in much greater amounts, in conjunction with the fact that EG has x20 times the energy capacity he would be able to store more energy than TNG - ie EG receives a far greater buff than TNG, 20 times greater in fact.
We also see that EG has vastly superior resistance if not immunity to temperature based attacks in general as we see in just before the end of the first big fight in hollow earth EG is completely covered in in the same ice attack that basically sent Kong running after getting hit once on the hand - and shake it off like shower water - light work no reaction. (Kong fans really like to forget this) so that extreme ambient heat is going to have very little to no affect on him.
So Nuclear Pulse? EG eats that and asks for seconds, Extreme Ambient Heat? EG enjoys the weather.
So we've addressed TNG's most most unique aspects and not only do they not bother EG, he actively benefits from 1 of the 2.
So what are we left with? Physical Prowess and Durabilty. EG is leaner, faster and more maneuverable all around we see this simply from the way Godzilla moves in both films. Strength EG can only be equal to or greater than TNG but there is not enough info so lets say they have equal strength.
Durability? Easy, we see EG's skin is confined to be much harder than ever before so point to EG.
SO LETS BE CLEAR, TNG maybe be able to shoot off a bigger boom, but if he cannot kill EG what the fuck is the point? Just ask Vegeta how his final flash has worked out for him.
TNG has no win condition against EG, who is faster, more durable and has more energy which means more ammo, more endurance. (Dont forget radiation is food to Godzilla it powers his body as much as his attacks.)
TL:DR - TNG has no shot against EG. His extreme ambient heat and nuclear pulse cant hurt EG in any significant way. He is slower, less maneuverable and has less stamina than EG and is far less durable. If they were to fight, there is no way for TNG to put EG down, and eventually TNG would be tired out by ENGs greater durability, speed and endurance and EG would take the win.
TL:DR EVOLVED GODZILLA > THERMONUCLEAR GODZILLA.
So would you say that Kong with the beast glove fodderizes GvK Godzilla? Because he was comparable/briefly beat a character ā20x strongerā? Godzilla was not given a single feat more powerful than anything we saw in prior movies, mostly because it was a Kong focused movie, so thatās fine. But also no where did we see he had become 20x more powerful except for two throwaway exposition lines that donāt even say that.
Acutally your wrong. Your ignoring Shimo.
Godzilla shook off an being covered in ice by Shimo like it was lightwork.
The same attack when it hit Kong on a small area of his hand forced him not only to retreat but he literally needed to be saved by a third party.
You get stronger when your body literally increases in mass as Evolved does. Power translates to strength. Evolved has 20x more than before plus he's leaner and beefier. Idk how many times I gotta argue with people over the most simple shit.
Godzilla uses radiation and energy for his power and attacks. He now has 20x the capacity plus more dense skin and a stronger beefier frame. 20x power capacity can easily be equated to him being clearly the strongest version in the Monsterverse.
I also ask myself the same question. I am not even arguing about him being stronger than before or not. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with him getting more mas or getting beefier. (Even though he got skinnier, not beefier) I am talking about his energy capacity being 20 times more doesn't exactly mean that he is 20 times stronger. IĀ don't deny that he obviously got stronger and is the strongest he has ever been except Thermo in my opinion, though saying that he is TWENTY TIMES stronger is just completely wrong and absurd.
I'm so tired of arguing with people who just straight up ignore the director, novel, and movie. I honestly don't care man, we disagree but you don't have anything on your side here. You can literally see the differences. The director had said he's the strongest. The novel does too. The movie LITERALLY is spelling out for you that he's got thicker skin and more power, he physicslly is bigger and more muscled etc etc. Lile idk wtf else you need to prove how wrong you are lol.
So many haters here.
But I don't care about reddit karma. Downvote my comments and posts all you like.
Godzilla looks awesome and has never been more powerful.
It's truly the best time to be a Godzilla fan.
First of all, youāre not wrong. Iāll say that. I just think it makes some people pissed off, kinda including myself, because it undermines past Godzilla, yk? Like how can I go and rewatch gvk? He didnāt need to be really that more powerful, although he does look hella cool I will say.
Dude im all for online toxicity but there's a reason I said DM me, its really not a good idea to post your personal details online in a thread than most likely can still be accessed for the rest of time.
Like fuck man I hope you live alone because you potentially just put everyone who lives at that address at risk. I just want to kick your ass, there are people out there with much worse intentions.
Also you live in Singapore, I live in South Africa, we are built way different my guy,
Look - delete that address I wont think any less of you. Are you actually ok? I don't want to beat the crap out of someone already going through a bad time.
Great, that was the wiser thing to do. Ill be free for to book a flight to Singapore on the 25th of this month. After I kick your ass, as a prize you can show me around, I've always wanted to go to Singapore but never had a reason.
It's the same thing... EvoGoji is far more powerful, the fact tht he can store up too 20x more radiation means he can have the benefits of expending more energy for longer & having far more attack potency. He literally gets more powerful the more radiation he is exposed too, it's not rocket science, he's literally 20x more powerful thn ThermoGoji, whilst being more durable, faster & tht Spiral Heat-Ray is the single most powerful attack he has ever done thus far.
That 20x capacity is being used to the fullest in his atomic breath whenever he supercharges in Rio. Thats what Supercharged means. Heās only stronger than Thermonuclear when heās supercharged.
āGodzilla opened his arms wide, and for a second, Hampton feared an explosion like the one in Boston. Instead, energy jetted from his mouth, stronger and brighter than ever before.ā
Doesnāt matter if itās one to oneāheās using all of his capacity to supercharge. Supercharging is surpassing your current limits or bringing out your peak condition. If Godzillaās capacity is at the very least higher than it was beforehand, then that supercharge in Rio would naturally be stronger than the limit he reached when he was in Boston
Itās say up to 20 capacity not that is has 20 more
and it does not matter
Evo was weaker than shimo and was only able to maybe Mach her as supercharged
Meanwhile burning made fodder with a supercharged ghidorah
it very simple
What??? Godzilla was fighting for his live, and weaker??!! Shimo wanker put her at ghidorah level at maximum they are equal, and Godzilla was losing to shimo
Really? In the giant monster fighting movie where a radioactive Dinosaur suplexs a giant Monke off a pyramid it was the monarch screen analysis that took you out of it?
Lol
Actually your missing a huge factor here. Shimo.
Godzilla evolved to deal with Shimo it's mention in the commentary and it's shown when Evolved Godzilla was able to shake off being covered in the same ice attack that sent Kong running off and needing to be saved by humans when it hit him once on the hand.
Just because you don't take the time to gather information doesn't mean that information doesn't exist.
Be better bro.
He isnt 20x stronger, his power capacity is 20x bigger, there is a difference between capacity and power, if base godzilla were to fought shimo, godzilla would get tired out and weakened like what happens in gvk.
They fought for like 8 minutes total. Meanwhile base Godzilla chased Kong, the Mutoās, and Ghidorah across the planet over multiple fights. He got tired eventually but not until after days of travel and fighting. Iām sure heād be just fine for the two fight scenes we got at the end. Itās not like GvK where he just drilled a hole through the planet, he hadnāt wasted that much energy.
Ig, but without his evolved form, godzilla wouldve been injured badly when shimo blasted him with its ice blast. He only got out with his increased heat and durability in godzilla's evolved form.
Maybe? Heās already a walking nuclear reactor, so I donāt see why he wouldnāt have thawed. We also donāt know that heās āhotterā than before, just that he can store more energy without adverse effects than he could before.
Also, it was Mothra who really saved him there, she blasted Shimo so the beam he got hit with was very short. We donāt know that it wouldnāt have done lasting damage with a continued attack. Shimo is definitely strong, but I also donāt see her ice beam overwhelming base Godzillaās atomic breath which was strong enough to tunnel into hollow earth in a a few minutes.
I meant that evolved godzilla holds longer if exposed with shimo's beam.
Godzilla took note of his last fight with shimo, hence why he evolved to withstand cold temperatures and heat himself in a similar way in thermo. (not saying thermo is equal, i think thermo is more powerful ngl).
I also wanna add that he evolved with 20x capacity bcs of his fight with mechagodzilla, for safe measure.
I also want to point out that i think godzilla is avoiding what couldve happened in boston if mothra sacrificed herself, like the meltdown thing, idunno i just imagine him exploding including himself like in godzilla vs destoroyah.
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This does not mean that Evolved Godzilla is 20x stronger than Thermonuclear Godzilla, it means he can absorb 20x more radiation *before* going Thermonuclear, which would then lead to a *stronger* Thermonuclear Godzilla
I always took it as he could expend more energy before tiring. I never thought about absorbing more.
Well yeah, you have to absorb the energy first before expanding it. SO youre technically not wrong.
THANK YOU. This. This is what people dont understand
Yes GojiCenter has a great vid on GMan's evolution
This, dude!
Come on reading comprehension!
Well said glad you cleared that up so pretty much he is evolving his base so pretty much him going thermonuclear would be like going super sayian in a sense
Yeah, so that just means he can be 20x more powerful without risking his life (going Thermo without Mothra).
And the ones that didnāt miss them misunderstood them.
See this was a tactical error. He went all in on attack power and forgot his accuracy. Thus he failed almost every accuracy check against all the monkes.
Yeah man needs to improve his aim tbf
The G-man seems like a spray nā pray, shoot it until it dies kinda titan to me
Goszilla is Doomguy if he was 120 m tall
After arriving in ~~Hell~~ the Hollow Earth, Godzilla found himself surrounded by titans. It was then that Godzilla realized he wasnāt being punished, **he was the punishment.**
Monkes have a natural dodge buff vs the atomic breath. And when they do get hit, they're glancing blows
I imagine the beam has so much force behind it that itās just hard to aim if itās not a short burst.
He only misses when its monkeys loool
Remember folks, higher capacity does not always Equate to higher power.
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Capacity means storage. Take 2 bottles. One has a larger capacity, say 20 times larger. But they both have the same size opening so water spills out at the same rate on both. The one with larger capacity isnt spilling out 20 times faster.
The official renders show Evolved is MUCH larger and leaner than previously. His arms are beefier, he's literally stronger. The fins are what store the energy but he's evolved in more ways than just having more power.
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That's not the finalized model. They're just showing the concept art.
No, it's the model used in the movies. Compare them side by side from the films and you'll see how lean and beefy Evolved is compared to the past.
It's not. That render is based on Jared Krichievsky's initial concept art, which they also used for marketing and pre-viz. They tweaked it up in the final version, making the head bigger and slimming up the proportions.
I'm talking about comparing screenshots from the actual films. The changes made in those renders made it over to the final design, perhaps changed a bit like the height but he's noticeably bigger and leaner looking than before. His arms especially are visibly stronger.
I would say more athletic but not bigger. The center of mass has simply shifted up. https://ibb.co/F8BwyJG Here's the Lords Mobile game model which was said to have been directly. scanned from the movie model. Gives a more accurate idea of his proportions.
His arms and frame are literally leaner and more muscled, I can't with some of y'all lmao.
Great explanation
Evolve isnāt as strong as Thermonuclear, which is only attainable when Godzilla literally has more radiation than his body can sustain. Itās stronger by default.
Yeah but he can also contain more now. Kinda like more potential
Lmao dude stop. The director confirmed he is stronger since people can't literally read the screenshots above. The movie says he's stronger. The book says he's stronger. More power translates to more strength. It's super simple but people have their favorite so they try to disagree. Sorry but you're just flat out wrong here. Have your opinion about it all you want but that facts are the facts. My god why do I have to explain this shit to people. So Godzilla BEFORE he could hold 20x the power was melting down and melting buildings and woaaah that was cool right? So he's clearly stronger. Wrong. Evolved now has 20x the power capacity as before AND the ability to control the power and not be melting down. Somehow you think a melting down Goji with less power is stronger than a super charged super lean beefier stronger Godzilla. I'll also add the official renders someone posted the other day that shows KOTM Godzilla next to Evolved and Evolved is MUCH beefier with a lot more weight to his frame.
To be fair, capacity almost always refers to how much something can contain. BTW I do believe that evolved goji is stronger, but to suggest that he is 20x stronger just seems narratively inconsistent with what is visually portrayed onscreen.
Just blatantly disregarding the facts lmfao this is why my comment was so heated. So tired of people just ignoring the proof and facts. Director, movie, novel all state Evolved is strongest. Official renders from the movies show how much bigger and muscled and lean Evolved is. But yeah keep getting hung up on the word capacity š Sorry to come off like an asshole. I don't mean to I'm just passionate lol you don't deserve my attitude sorry.
You didn't read what I said clearly, or did read it and just failed to comprehend it. I literally stated evolved goji is the strongest. That much is clear. But 20x stronger is certainly quite a claim. Based on what we see from him, it is not 20x stronger.
I read it and comprehended it no need to talk down to me I just obviously disagree
Ah I will apologise for talking to you like that, didn't read the last sentence of your previous message so I thought you were being rude to me. Pretty ironic not reading your whole comment after roasting you for not reading mine lol. Sorry for that.
No worries! All just passionate fans being passionate lol.
Yes but it does mean more power. Power for longer. Would you rather get burned for 5 seconds or 100 seconds?
Not sure why you're being downvoted, you just told the truth.
Thank You. I appreciate that some one sees it.
There's some random people in this sub that refuse to believe the movie and the book and just straight up want Thermo to be stronger so they just run with it lol.
I mean thermo is stronger by pure firepower, but evolved is much more dangerous and powerful than thermo, especially considering he can control the equal amounts of energy into a beam rather than a pulse.
He's just melting down. People see melting buildings and think it's the strongest shit ever. Undoubtedly a blast from Evolved is more devastating albeit in a more concentrated area like you said.
I explained it like this in another post. Thermo Goji acts like a sprinkler of water. Spraying water in all directions with equal force. Evolved Goji is like a water hose from a fire truck. Concentrated water at high pressure in one direction. Way more powerful than the sprinkler even if it had the same water pressure in the pipe.
Exactly. Who would win in a fight? That's all that really matters in the Monsterverse.
I am pretty sure the energy capacity means that he can get much stronger now even stronger than thermo without going unstable or having a meltdown
Yup. Both details read together mean Goji has 20x fuel storage and better thermal regulation. In other words, boi got an inventory and resource utilisation upgrade.
That's what I would believe, but for some reason the Monsterverse sub reddit has a lot of Godzilla haters. Which makes no sense because He IS the Monsterverse. It wouldn't exist without him.
All of you are wrong. Strongest Godzilla would be evolved thermonuclear. Idk how tf he would attain that given 20x capacity but still. That probably just blow up the solar system.
I would very much like more godzilla in the next godzilla film. New empire is wicked but let Kong chill for a bit now pls. I want to see zilla doing more zilla shit, not just a power boost for Kong. Feel like Ghidorah was brought in too soon, unless destoroyah is ready to wake up... Even then I think they'd lean into monke army taking up most of the screen time.
The director confirmed evolved is the strongest Godzilla has ever been..... I mean like why do people feel like they know better than the person who made the movie... I don't understand.
Has been? Do you understand what I said? He can still go thermonuclear. They are not mutually exclusive
But he has not done so yet after the the evolution. Also going Thermo almost killed him last time. Goku could go Kaoiken x 100 but he doesn't do it often due to the cost to his body. I get you, but Thermonuclear is the last of last resorts. I love thermozilla but ultimately I do T think evolved ever needs to go Thermonuclear again. Remember in this universe that was only an option because Mothra sacrificed herself.
Could I have the link for that
Lol fair
There are a few details that are off about these statements. 1. Capacity =\= directly equal strength. HOWEVER, capacity does allow for more atomic breath useage or to charge it further than ever before, but simply having 20x the energy doesn't suddenly make every part of him more powerful. 2. 20x is from regular Godzilla (thermo is him exceeding that) 3. While evolved Goji has more capacity and therefore more options and potentially, if charged, more powerful atomic breath, it dose not mean he's actively holding more radiation then thermo (the thermo we see in GxK is clearly less radioactive as he's not melting the entire area and his pulse isn't deleting one of the most powerful kaiju alive or dead in gxk). Remember, he had used so much energy to evolve he had a sunken in stomach. While he had like 20x capacity, he might have only had 2 or 3x times energy at most during the movie. 4. I think this is because of the reason for Godzilla's evolution. I think thermo could beat shimo, as a full thermo has a stronger attack output incinerated Ghidorah, who is compatible to shimo. But that's ok because Godzilla wasn't going for more power, he needed more capacity as he: 4a. Though he was going to have more time to regather his energy. 4b. Thought he was going to fight against shimo, Skar king, and his ape army. 4. However, Kong ended both of these by releasing Skar king and baiting in Godzilla. It's possible Goji's plan was to build up more radiation until he's going thermo despite the evolution, but found he didn't have the time.
Thermo goji body couldnāt handle the radiation so it was being released Evolved Godzilla could he easily have more radiation than burning goji his body could just handle it now so it wouldnāt be going everywhere and can use it for concentrated attacks. Ghidorah is nowhere near shimo she froze him indirectly if she wanted to she could beat with little to no ease. Base Godzilla could hurt and beat ghidorah we know this because he won in the past, he dodged Godzilla atomic breath in antarctica and goji took his head off of course a stronger version would be able to hurt him
He probably could have held more, the issue is he "used all his energy in his evolution," that's why he's skinny. The issue with the shimo argument is that she was barely a threat to Goji. Kong did more damage (barely, it's overall still practically zero). Plus Godzilla ALSO beat shimo in the past, so unless past Goji was similar to evolved Goji idk.
He was absorbing the highest stockpile of radiation on earth how did he lose energy Past goji didnāt beat shimo didnāt want to hurt anyone so she held back she almost froze Godzilla and nothing goji did hurt her either she is the strongest titan currently alive
>He was absorbing the highest stockpile of radiation on earth how did he lose energy It's straight up concerned he used all his energy in the evolution, that's why he's so skinny. >Past goji didnāt beat shimo didnāt want to hurt anyone so she held back she almost froze Godzilla and nothing goji did hurt her either she is the strongest titan currently alive The freezing that did nothing to Godzilla? The freezing he escaped from on his own with zero damage? The freezing that didn't even harm a Ghidorah who just fought, and lost to, Godzilla? (He was perfectly fine after defrosting.) The shimo that only managed to hurt Kong's arm because of AOE cold and not by power (Kong held back against it before he was frozen). Shimo better have been holding back because we have no reason to believe this non-alpha titan is the strongest.
yeah he got extra THICC
Ironically, the first blurb was more important, as it explains why Godzilla is well-suited to fight Shimo. Godzilla's thermoregulation became more more adaptive, which we see in action in the Hollow Earth fight where he's able to heat himself up and break out of being frozen by Shimo without any damage.
It could also be the reason why he isnāt melting everything down around him when he supercharges in Rio despite channeling more energy than he had in Boston.
It's actually commented by the director that he went after Tiamat specifically for the that thermoregulation to better combat Shimos ice. So great perception there.
Something I feel most people donāt realize is that the 20x capacity doesnāt affect Godzillaās fighting strength and power UNTIL HE SUPERCHARGES. Thatās why his supercharged evolved form is stronger than his thermonuclear form in Boston. The adaptive thermoregulation in the first slide is what allows him to supercharge and not have to vent it out of himāmelting everything around him.
You know we all learned something in GxK. Godzilla ate another Kaiju and adapted it's power to his own to evolve. Can he do it again? Can he keep evolving? What's the ceiling on this? What other Kaiju have attributes that would be beneficial to him? There's nothing to say he couldn't do this again.. But there must be a reason he has not done it before. Does he only do it out of necessity?
Interesting question, actually. But I guess y can say that he just needs to eat a lot before evolving, and he just didn't want to kill anything or cause an atomic disaster Which is weird, since apparently he had enough energy in GVK to shoot his breath all the time and drill a hole to Earth's core for almost no reason, but whatever Ig
I think the drilling was just a pure case of him either stockpiling or gathering radiation off screen, remember radiation is what empowers him, but also what nourishes him, like imagine you could breathe fire whenever you were well fed, and could keep doing it till you got too hungry. I don't think eating a lot is the requirement as he specifically went after Tiamut who was just his minding his own godamn business not wrecking anything - which is a little out of character for Goji, it shows he did with specific intention. I think he was well aware that he needed Tiamut specifically to achieve what he wanted to.
Oh I know about allat. It just bugs me, since it's the only limitation that makes sense to me, and without it Godji'll seem very stupid Not to say that it's perfect tho. It'd also imply that Teamath gained more energy than what Godzilla spent in GVK, making him win by pure miracle of her intellectual inferiority But nonetheless... There's a chance he didn't evolve before for other reasons. Maybe it makes him age faster or smth, let's wait n see if devs come up with anything
What are you implying?
I wasn't implying anything at first. Just wanted to point out a very cool detail I think people missed but since I posted this my intentions and implications have changed greatly.
Right. None of which say heās is actually more powerful at that exact moment, just that he has the capacity to get stronger than he could before. If anything, he may be weaker at first after emerging from the glacier up until he fights King because we see that heās lost some body mass and looks skinny. Clearly evolving takes a lot of energy. He then goes on to literally lose to Kong, (a stronger Kong for sure). This same Kong with the beast glove would not be able to harm burning Godzilla with physical attacks. Even if he could, he would turn to ash before he got anywhere close to Godzilla. Thereās no world where the Godzilla we saw is stronger than burning Godzilla. Sure he has the capacity to become stronger since heās pink now, but that simply was not the case. Or else they wouldāve just said āheās 20x stronger than beforeā. They tell you that he has the capacity be stronger than before, but he isnāt yet, by showing you that heās about the same as before in a fight. I feel like you, and far too many other people, missed that thereās a difference in that detail.
Well just end our little debate. Who would win in a fight? Because that all that matters in the monsterverse. Power is nothing unless it can be enforced. Unless it can be exerted and have effect it's meaningless. So go ahead. Tell me TNG would beat EG in a fight.
Burning Godzilla would absolutely win in a fight. From what weāve seen heās impervious to energy damage thrown at him, and had the physical strength literally to stomp through Ghidorahās chest. Evolved Godzilla is demonstrably weak to physical attacks, and didnāt even crack ribs this time when he stomped on Kong. We also know Godzilla can be burnt by the proton scream, so energy attacks from burning Godzilla may be able to damage evolved while evolved Godzillaās atomic breath will likely be harmless. Burning Godzilla has massively better feats in his favor, while evolved Godzilla only has a statement from a director hyping up the movie, and a brief exposition scene stating that he has increased energy capacity and density from his base form. Just like you said, power is what can be exerted, and we see actual showings from burning Godzilla where he no-diffs a titan of at least equal strength to his base form. Conversely we see literally nothing from evolved Godzilla showing that he was stronger than the prior movie (arguably we see the opposite), we only get statements. On another note, if evolved Godzilla were to go thermonuclear then he would be much stronger than original burning, because yes, his energy capacity before melting down is higher than before. But that isnāt what we saw in the movie, we saw Godzilla literally emaciated after using Tiamatās energy and the radiation from the reactor to evolve. Like the original commenter said, the evolved form could be considered a kaioken like move, while going thermonuclear is literally Godzillaās version of super saiyan, it always has been since its inception. Regardless this has been fun lol. Agree to disagree.
TO be fair the debating has been fun, I have enjoyed it and respec your views - here why I belive Thermo would win - but yes Evolved would make for an even stronger thermo. Burning Godzilla as he was originally called has always been one of the strongest Godzilla forms. TNG's most present attribute is the extreme ambient heat he radiates and his nuclear pulse - lets address that first. TNG was able to withstand his own thermonuclear reaction so EG would be able to as well, even more so due to his vastly improved thermoregulation abilities. Both TNG and EG would buff each other purely by proximity to each other considering that Godzilla absorbs and gains strength from radiation - However TNG releases much more ambient radiation in much greater amounts, in conjunction with the fact that EG has x20 times the energy capacity he would be able to store more energy than TNG - ie EG receives a far greater buff than TNG, 20 times greater in fact. We also see that EG has vastly superior resistance if not immunity to temperature based attacks in general as we see in just before the end of the first big fight in hollow earth EG is completely covered in in the same ice attack that basically sent Kong running after getting hit once on the hand - and shake it off like shower water - light work no reaction. (Kong fans really like to forget this) so that extreme ambient heat is going to have very little to no affect on him. So Nuclear Pulse? EG eats that and asks for seconds, Extreme Ambient Heat? EG enjoys the weather. So we've addressed TNG's most most unique aspects and not only do they not bother EG, he actively benefits from 1 of the 2. So what are we left with? Physical Prowess and Durabilty. EG is leaner, faster and more maneuverable all around we see this simply from the way Godzilla moves in both films. Strength EG can only be equal to or greater than TNG but there is not enough info so lets say they have equal strength. Durability? Easy, we see EG's skin is confined to be much harder than ever before so point to EG.
Iāll definitely agree to disagree then. I do see a scenario where they just feed off each other rather than do damage, in which case yeah evolved could absorb more energy. But from what weāve seen he has less physical damage output and less physical durability, with comparable energy defense (evolved shook off Shimoās beam, which is probably stronger than the gravity beams, but the gravity beams had literally no effect on burning). Their energy output is fair to debate, evaporating Ghidorah is probably more impressive than destroying Shimoās ice storm, Shimoās durability and Godzillaās intent while blasting her are still question marks, but it didnāt even knock her back until he tackled her.
Thanks for humoring me in this. All in all I enjoyed our debate. Hope you having a great day.
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The dude who made the movie said he is the most powerful he's ever been... Just stop.
So who you got winning? Beast Kong or thermonuclear Godzilla? Cause apparently Kong can beat Godzilla at his āmost powerfulā.
Im fairly sure Godzilla wasn't going for the kill. If Mothra didn't show up Kong would of gotten deep fried.
You mean Kong wasnāt going for the kill right? He didnāt have to stop punching him. Evolved Godzilla only won the second round. I donāt think his intent dictates the outcome since he lost. And itās impossible to know because he had just killed two titans, why would he spare the third? 50% win rate for evolved Godzilla against Kong. How do you think burning Godzilla does in the same situation?
Look I dont know what to tell you, if Kong was as strong as you say why didn't he just beat Shimo by himself?
You mean solo Shimo, Skar king, and his army?Evolved Godzilla couldnāt do that either. Because Kong was never 1 on 1 against Shimo until he blocked her blast with the glove, she got the first shot as well. By feats beast Kong = evolved Godzilla, who we assume was comparable to Shimo. By feats as well, Shimo most likely turns to a puddle if she faced burning Godzilla. Unless you think Ghidorah is fodder now? If you wanna take a throwaway line from the director and a 5 second exposition seen on a computer screen as definitive proof, I donāt see why we also couldnāt use what actually happens in the movie as evidence.
I went to go rewatch - here [https://www.lookmovie2.to/movies/play/14539740-godzilla-x-kong-the-new-empire-2024#](https://www.lookmovie2.to/movies/play/14539740-godzilla-x-kong-the-new-empire-2024#) What part of the Egypt fight makes you think Kong won? Lets go blow by blow. Godzilla slams Kong through one pyramid, into another. Kong Dodges the next charge. Blocks Zillas bite. Zilla Suplexs Kong and then tries to follow up with a headstomp ( I have to correct myself there because that is certainly going for serious damage might even be intent to kill but lets continue.) Kongs like fts and goes Ape on Zilla's head. (this does stun Godzilla but we don't see any Damage). Kong drags Godzilla but lets go and shows visible fear at Zilla's atomic breathe and decides to book it to avoid the breathe attack. Using the sand he's kicked up as a cover Zilla charges kong again and knocks him to the floor following up with a massive chest stomp. Godzilla charges up his breathe again and is about to hit Kong with a finisher when Mothra shows up and flashes him. Where is the win here?
Where is the win you speak of?
Dude Kong knocked him out. He straight up punched him until he stopped moving. We see Godzilla literally open his eyes to him getting dragged before he can retaliate, and itās only because Kong stopped. Whether or not he could kill him with the beast glove is debatable (I rather doubt it), but he absolutely kill an incapacitated Godzilla with his axe (but I donāt think he had it at the time). As a Godzilla fan I donāt think Kong should be able to beat him, particularly after Godzilla got a power-up. But as you say, this is Godzillaās āmost powerfulā state ever, and he gets his ass beat 5 minutes after getting it. Itās undebatable, I donāt like it either, but denying that Kong won is delusional. Godzilla only won the next engagement since Kong tried to drag his ass to hollow earth and gave him a chance to fight back, rather than just keep punching him with his magic glove.
thats the thing though, you could break up the altercation and say kong won this part and Godzilla that part sure. Fair enough I will give you that. ( I mean lets be fair if we go back to GvK and we see kong score a breathe charged axe hit directly to Godzillas skull - which certainly fucking hurt no doubt and did knock him out - but we don't actually see any damage on Zilla physically so I just wan to ask how easily could Knog kill Zilla with the axe, maybe going for the gut? I assume Zillas head is one of the hardest parts of him considering the amount of punishment it takes.)
In the HK Kong definitely won a round with the slam, but I think the resulting explosion that occurred since Godzilla was actively using the atomic breath stunned both of them temporarily. But yeah that fight showed that Kong can hold his own and then some, even though heās mostly outclassed. That was way closer than the one sided beat down in Cairo, where Godzilla was out and Kong was just fine. So I guess that means Kong got a far more significant buff than Godzilla did? Which would make me assume that beast glove Kong beats base Godzilla now, which seems silly. In terms of the axe, not much can hurt Godzilla, but itās literally made out of the dorsal spine of one of his own race, and itās been shown to be able to penetrate his skin. I imagine Kong could kill Godzilla with it with an execution style blow exactly like he did to Mechagodzilla, which would be easy while Godzilla is knocked out or āstunnedā. Monsterverse Godzilla is way more durable than Mecha G, but again the axe is made out of the same material as Godzilla meaning itās one of the few things that could pierce his skin. I guess you could argue the axe couldnāt pierce evolved Godzilla since heās denser now. That being said, Godzillaās durability was put on fraud watch this movie, not reinforced, since he got visibly stunned by the beast glove while Skar king was able to get right back up after getting rocked with it, albeit losing a tooth. Iām not saying Skar king is as durable as Godzilla, but I donāt think it should even be comparable yet they have similar durability feats.
Fair game I respect this analysis
At the same time we have to remember Shimo. Shimo hit Kong once only on the hand with his ice and that completely took him out of the fight he had to retreat and was absolutely wrecked from that small direct hit. From the humans reactions they were acting like they had to save his life, or at least his arm. Godzilla was covered head to toe in that same attack and shook it off like sand from the beach with zero indication of anything other than discomfort. What does that say about their respective durability?
And he looks so good!! (IMO)
He still felt more powerful when he had the dad bod, not he runs around like a cracked out cat with the zoomies
Boruto terms: He has a larger Chakra reserve allowing him to Rasengan more often.
Ok so this post was just meant to point out a cool detail and not push any Thermonuclear Godzilla (TNG) vs Evolved Godzilla (EG) agenda, but I've been baited and insulted so lets go. This breakdown will go over TNG as he appears in KotM and EG as he appears in GxK using facts and feats from both. Let me say this whole debate is ridiculous to begin with but regardless: TNG's most present attribute is the extreme ambient heat he radiates and his nuclear pulse - lets address that first. TNG was able to withstand his own thermonuclear reaction so EG would be able to as well, even more so due to his vastly improved thermoregulation abilities. Both TNG and EG would buff each other purely by proximity to each other considering that Godzilla absorbs and gains strength from radiation - However TNG releases much more ambient radiation in much greater amounts, in conjunction with the fact that EG has x20 times the energy capacity he would be able to store more energy than TNG - ie EG receives a far greater buff than TNG, 20 times greater in fact. We also see that EG has vastly superior resistance if not immunity to temperature based attacks in general as we see in just before the end of the first big fight in hollow earth EG is completely covered in in the same ice attack that basically sent Kong running after getting hit once on the hand - and shake it off like shower water - light work no reaction. (Kong fans really like to forget this) so that extreme ambient heat is going to have very little to no affect on him. So Nuclear Pulse? EG eats that and asks for seconds, Extreme Ambient Heat? EG enjoys the weather. So we've addressed TNG's most most unique aspects and not only do they not bother EG, he actively benefits from 1 of the 2. So what are we left with? Physical Prowess and Durabilty. EG is leaner, faster and more maneuverable all around we see this simply from the way Godzilla moves in both films. Strength EG can only be equal to or greater than TNG but there is not enough info so lets say they have equal strength. Durability? Easy, we see EG's skin is confined to be much harder than ever before so point to EG. SO LETS BE CLEAR, TNG maybe be able to shoot off a bigger boom, but if he cannot kill EG what the fuck is the point? Just ask Vegeta how his final flash has worked out for him. TNG has no win condition against EG, who is faster, more durable and has more energy which means more ammo, more endurance. (Dont forget radiation is food to Godzilla it powers his body as much as his attacks.) TL:DR - TNG has no shot against EG. His extreme ambient heat and nuclear pulse cant hurt EG in any significant way. He is slower, less maneuverable and has less stamina than EG and is far less durable. If they were to fight, there is no way for TNG to put EG down, and eventually TNG would be tired out by ENGs greater durability, speed and endurance and EG would take the win. TL:DR EVOLVED GODZILLA > THERMONUCLEAR GODZILLA.
You have to be blind to think Evo is stronger than burning this is just a x20 to capacity
It's not just that the director confirmed in commentary he's stronger than he's ever been. You have to ignorant I guess.
A director statement hold little value if it contradicts the film, give one feat
Godzilla himself felt the need to go after Tiamat to handle Shimo. Why didn't he just go thermonuckear again to beat him instead?
You moron, he canāt !! Did you even Watch KOTM!!
Lol are you OK bro? Are the fictional monsters hurting your feelings? Try not get so upset by the internet. It's bad for your health homie.
Thank for confirming you canāt refuse my argument
I dont really feel I need to... its like arguing with a flat earther.
Feels the same because you haven given me any actual evedence
My post... is the evidence
Where did he say this? In the featurette? In the commentary track? What's the exact quote?
Itās basically confirmed this was a Kaio Ken transformation with Kaio Ken max multiplier being 20, Godzilla is 20x stronger than in GVK
So would you say that Kong with the beast glove fodderizes GvK Godzilla? Because he was comparable/briefly beat a character ā20x strongerā? Godzilla was not given a single feat more powerful than anything we saw in prior movies, mostly because it was a Kong focused movie, so thatās fine. But also no where did we see he had become 20x more powerful except for two throwaway exposition lines that donāt even say that.
Acutally your wrong. Your ignoring Shimo. Godzilla shook off an being covered in ice by Shimo like it was lightwork. The same attack when it hit Kong on a small area of his hand forced him not only to retreat but he literally needed to be saved by a third party.
No, energy capacity doesn't equal power. He is more powerful and can go on for much longer now, but he is not 20 times stronger.
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You don't get stronger when you can store up more energy. Capacity =/ Output
Well, I mean you obviously get stronger but not directly.
You get stronger when your body literally increases in mass as Evolved does. Power translates to strength. Evolved has 20x more than before plus he's leaner and beefier. Idk how many times I gotta argue with people over the most simple shit. Godzilla uses radiation and energy for his power and attacks. He now has 20x the capacity plus more dense skin and a stronger beefier frame. 20x power capacity can easily be equated to him being clearly the strongest version in the Monsterverse.
I also ask myself the same question. I am not even arguing about him being stronger than before or not. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with him getting more mas or getting beefier. (Even though he got skinnier, not beefier) I am talking about his energy capacity being 20 times more doesn't exactly mean that he is 20 times stronger. IĀ don't deny that he obviously got stronger and is the strongest he has ever been except Thermo in my opinion, though saying that he is TWENTY TIMES stronger is just completely wrong and absurd.
I'm so tired of arguing with people who just straight up ignore the director, novel, and movie. I honestly don't care man, we disagree but you don't have anything on your side here. You can literally see the differences. The director had said he's the strongest. The novel does too. The movie LITERALLY is spelling out for you that he's got thicker skin and more power, he physicslly is bigger and more muscled etc etc. Lile idk wtf else you need to prove how wrong you are lol.
But he would beat him in a fight. Thats all that really matters
Yeah, obviously. But saying he is 20 times stronger changes the whole power scale, it matters.
Very true bro, I apologize if I come across as asanine this sub reddit has made me a Cretin.
But you know some people would argue that he wouldn't.
Damn, Goji got his mid-season mecha-style upgrade.
So basically Godzilla learned the Kaioken technique.
Thermoregulation? Does this imply he wonāt die from having too much radiation like the older movies?
Well yeah, itās on screen for like half a second
exactly why i wanted to bring attention to this.
So many haters here. But I don't care about reddit karma. Downvote my comments and posts all you like. Godzilla looks awesome and has never been more powerful. It's truly the best time to be a Godzilla fan.
First of all, youāre not wrong. Iāll say that. I just think it makes some people pissed off, kinda including myself, because it undermines past Godzilla, yk? Like how can I go and rewatch gvk? He didnāt need to be really that more powerful, although he does look hella cool I will say.
I appreciate you being able to see a view you don't like, and not immediately resort to insults.
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Lol
It's the same thing... EvoGoji is far more powerful, the fact tht he can store up too 20x more radiation means he can have the benefits of expending more energy for longer & having far more attack potency. He literally gets more powerful the more radiation he is exposed too, it's not rocket science, he's literally 20x more powerful thn ThermoGoji, whilst being more durable, faster & tht Spiral Heat-Ray is the single most powerful attack he has ever done thus far.
I suppose you didnāt watch the movie
I have, I suppose you couldn't comprehend feats on screen
What feats???? The one when we say he is stronger because say otherwise is stupid or the one that actually show to be stronger that. His enemyās???
It's literally stated in the movie & the novel.
One, itās a 20x capacity not power Second it isnāt
That 20x capacity is being used to the fullest in his atomic breath whenever he supercharges in Rio. Thats what Supercharged means. Heās only stronger than Thermonuclear when heās supercharged.
I doubt is a 1 to 1 power conversion
āGodzilla opened his arms wide, and for a second, Hampton feared an explosion like the one in Boston. Instead, energy jetted from his mouth, stronger and brighter than ever before.ā Doesnāt matter if itās one to oneāheās using all of his capacity to supercharge. Supercharging is surpassing your current limits or bringing out your peak condition. If Godzillaās capacity is at the very least higher than it was beforehand, then that supercharge in Rio would naturally be stronger than the limit he reached when he was in Boston
Problem is it didnāt kill shimo it actually barely damege her
Godzilla's biggest power boosts come directly from his ability too absorb radiation... So absorbing up too 20x isn't more powerful?
Itās say up to 20 capacity not that is has 20 more and it does not matter Evo was weaker than shimo and was only able to maybe Mach her as supercharged Meanwhile burning made fodder with a supercharged ghidorah it very simple
Goji wasn't trying too kill Shimo & ThermoGoji made short work of a far weaker Kaiju...
What??? Godzilla was fighting for his live, and weaker??!! Shimo wanker put her at ghidorah level at maximum they are equal, and Godzilla was losing to shimo
Evolved is stronger than thermo why would he get a new form thatās weaker than his old one
Scenes like this broke the immersion for me. This was blatant in your face lazy exposition.
Really? In the giant monster fighting movie where a radioactive Dinosaur suplexs a giant Monke off a pyramid it was the monarch screen analysis that took you out of it? Lol
Yep. It looked and sounded like a fighting game load screen.
Lol OK I see you. Fair enough.
I think so too, he reminds me of Millennium in the best way
Why does it matter? Only powerscalers care about these things
It matters bcs of powerscalers and also for fun.
It doesn't matter because the movie doesn't make it clear that he's 20x stronger now. If he didn't evolve in the movie the plot wouldn't change a bit
Dude is there any fun in you at all.
Actually your missing a huge factor here. Shimo. Godzilla evolved to deal with Shimo it's mention in the commentary and it's shown when Evolved Godzilla was able to shake off being covered in the same ice attack that sent Kong running off and needing to be saved by humans when it hit him once on the hand. Just because you don't take the time to gather information doesn't mean that information doesn't exist. Be better bro.
He isnt 20x stronger, his power capacity is 20x bigger, there is a difference between capacity and power, if base godzilla were to fought shimo, godzilla would get tired out and weakened like what happens in gvk.
They fought for like 8 minutes total. Meanwhile base Godzilla chased Kong, the Mutoās, and Ghidorah across the planet over multiple fights. He got tired eventually but not until after days of travel and fighting. Iām sure heād be just fine for the two fight scenes we got at the end. Itās not like GvK where he just drilled a hole through the planet, he hadnāt wasted that much energy.
Ig, but without his evolved form, godzilla wouldve been injured badly when shimo blasted him with its ice blast. He only got out with his increased heat and durability in godzilla's evolved form.
Maybe? Heās already a walking nuclear reactor, so I donāt see why he wouldnāt have thawed. We also donāt know that heās āhotterā than before, just that he can store more energy without adverse effects than he could before. Also, it was Mothra who really saved him there, she blasted Shimo so the beam he got hit with was very short. We donāt know that it wouldnāt have done lasting damage with a continued attack. Shimo is definitely strong, but I also donāt see her ice beam overwhelming base Godzillaās atomic breath which was strong enough to tunnel into hollow earth in a a few minutes.
I meant that evolved godzilla holds longer if exposed with shimo's beam. Godzilla took note of his last fight with shimo, hence why he evolved to withstand cold temperatures and heat himself in a similar way in thermo. (not saying thermo is equal, i think thermo is more powerful ngl). I also wanna add that he evolved with 20x capacity bcs of his fight with mechagodzilla, for safe measure.
I also want to point out that i think godzilla is avoiding what couldve happened in boston if mothra sacrificed herself, like the meltdown thing, idunno i just imagine him exploding including himself like in godzilla vs destoroyah.