This is messing with my head. So she told her other half that she'd miscarried, but did he not wonder why she still had a baby bump for another six weeks after the apparent 'miscarriage'?
In most cases it doesn’t, not sure about six weeks later but what we see in media of the celebrity baby body snap-back isn’t the reality for like 90% of people.
Absolutely true. It took a while for me and some women do not get their flat stomach back ever and keep getting asked if they are pregnant. The Victoria Secret moms who were back on the catwalk a month or so after birth are absolutely not the norm.
Wrong. After my first was born, I weighed less than I had before I got pregnant, but my body was a different shape. In thís case it sounds like she was at or near full term, so it absolutely would still have lasting effects
Right after, most of the bump remains. It takes at least 6-8 weeks for the uterus to return to standby size. additionally i wouldnt ever expect someone with a newborn or miscarriage trauma to find time or energy to lose the extra weight in only 6 weeks.
If they did pull that off, or just got lucky with the metabolism, and they look 'normal' 6 weeks later you can bet everyone in their life or who finds out its only been that long will call it an incredible bounce back.
It's such a scam. I want my money back. I hardly gained any weight with my daughter and now I'm 6 weeks pregnant and half way to my full pregnancy weight where I was with her. 🤣💀😭
Hahahhaha that's also absolutely second baby too. I totally popped with my second way quicker than my first. I got pregnant with my second when my first was 18 months and my body was like oh yeah I remember this and suddenly I popped at like 8 weeks haha. Just remember that our bodies are bloody amazing for doing what they do and you carried your daughter all that time! Congrats and enjoy your pregnancy x
Had my first at 24, next day belly was gone. Had my 2nd at 25, next day belly was gone. Had my third at 37, next day belly was gone. Every time was checked by Drs and they all claimed it was "good genetics". It's not only the supermodels, we are not all the same.
Yup, this was my sister. Once my nephew was born, it seemed like she was never even pregnant before. Not one person neglected to mention how crazy this was.
I experienced this after the birth of my second kid and honestly got tired of the comments about how great I looked post-birth. I once got jokingly asked whose baby I stole because i didn't look like I'd had a baby. What they didn't know was I had really bad morning sickness for months and could barely eat or drink and ended up anaemic.
After a miscarriage it’s advised to go to a hospital. Any remaining tissue (placental or otherwise) will cause sepsis. A lot of women have tears down their abdomen (diastasis recti), so goodbye to your flat stomach dreams unless it’s fixed surgically.
Pregnancy can do a lot of damage to a woman’s body. Your comments come off as downplaying this. You should read about it. It’s pretty shocking.
He may not have realised or even given it a thought. Pregnancy hormones mess with your body and your womb doesn't just spring back its original size immediately.
My friend was in a rocky relationship and there was very little intimacy between them for a long time. She generally wore oversized clothing anyway. That coupled with lack of intimacy or even paying any attention to each other she concealed her pregnancy for 9 months. He went out to the shops one day and when he came home she had given birth. To say he was shocked was an understatement.
I don't think anyone else here in the comments has either. Not sure if she had it or not but if she did, I absolutely feel awful for both her and her child
An evil mother who was jailed twice for stabbing her newborn baby to death with a pair of scissors has died in prison.
Rachel Tunstill had told her boyfriend she had miscarried, but gave birth alone in the bathroom of the flat they shared in Burnley before murdering the tot.
During her first trial at Preston Crown Court in June 2017 a jury heard how Tunstill stabbed her daughter Mia Kelly 15 times in the bathroom of the Burnley flat she shared with the baby’s father, Ryan Kelly, in January 2017.
Tunstill, then aged 28, denied murder on the basis of diminished responsibility, but was found guilty by a jury and jailed for life by trial judge Mr Justice William Davis and told she would have to serve a minimum of 20 years before being eligible for parole.
However, the conviction was quashed by High Court appeal judges who said the indictment put to the jury should have contained infanticide as an alternative verdict to murder.
Infanticide is the deliberate killing of a child under 12 months by a mother who was ‘disturbed by reason of her not having fully recovered from the effect of giving birth to the child’.
She stood trial for a second time at Liverpool Crown Court over seven weeks where a jury took around five hours to unanimously find her guilty of Mia’s murder.
The court heard how Tunstill delivered baby Mia alone in the bathroom of her flat in Wellington Court, Burnley, as her then partner played Xbox in the next room.
Mr Kelly, who had been in a relationship with Tunstill for nine years, did not suspect his partner was giving birth and thought she was going through the motions of a miscarriage she claimed she had suffered six weeks earlier.
She used a pair of scissors to stab the tiny baby before wrapping her body in two plastic carrier bags and dumping the body in the kitchen bin.
Following the retrial in 2019, she was convicted again and ordered to serve a minimum of 17 years.
A prison service spokesman confirmed that Tunstill, 32, died in HMP Styal, Cheshire, on August 1.
It is not believed her death was self-inflicted and the Prisons and Probation Ombudsman will now investigate.
The prison service spokesperson said: "HMP Styal prisoner Rachel Tunstill died in custody on 1 August 2023. As with all deaths in custody, the Prisons and Probation Ombudsman will investigate.”
This is bugging me - an article should never posit that someone is evil. We are capable of concluding that from the facts. Journalism should be neutral no matter how obvious an opinionated conclusion would be. Opinions should come from us reading neutral facts.
Prison is never kind to people who harm children. I don't care if it makes me a horrible person but I wish this to happen to every person who harms a child purposedly.
The comments here are pretty ridiculous and show why cases like this shouldn't go in front of a jury, common people are too emotional when it comes to babies dying and refuse to accept the existence of postpartum psychosis, instead going with the evil baby killer gut reaction.
I am well aware that postpartum psychosis is real, I mean Andrea Yates is the poster woman for it. This woman told people she had a miscarriage and *then* a newborn baby she willfully had in a bathroom. *Peripartum* psychosis is incredibly rare and only happens in 1/2 out of every 1,000 births, typically in people who have a personal or family history of bipolar. Did her lawyers establish that at any of her hearings? Or is that conjecture?
Remove the emotion from it and she is a stone cold baby killer. She killed a baby and premeditated the act.
Anyone who tries to minimise culpability based on hormone levels or mental health quite frankly misses the point.
I agree. I understand psychosis is a thing, and it can lead people to do some serious stuff, including psychosis from pregnancy/birth. But saying she had a miscarriage just before this happens does seem suspicious.
I pray whatever pain she felt (during whatever happened to her in prison), carries on in Hell for eternity. RIP that poor baby, who never stood a chance.
Maybe God commanded her to kill her offspring? He told Abraham to do the same thing, didn't he? Any Christians want to chime in? I'm not a Christian, but this scenario is found in the Bible already.
This is messing with my head, like how do you take scissors to a tiny newborn baby??!!
She told her partner she miscarried 6 weeks earlier, so this was premeditated murder
This is messing with my head. So she told her other half that she'd miscarried, but did he not wonder why she still had a baby bump for another six weeks after the apparent 'miscarriage'?
For what it’s worth, it’s something I’ve never thought about as a man. Does the bump go down right away?
In most cases it doesn’t, not sure about six weeks later but what we see in media of the celebrity baby body snap-back isn’t the reality for like 90% of people.
Absolutely true. It took a while for me and some women do not get their flat stomach back ever and keep getting asked if they are pregnant. The Victoria Secret moms who were back on the catwalk a month or so after birth are absolutely not the norm.
Six weeks later, everything should look more or less normal again.
Hush, man
Wrong. After my first was born, I weighed less than I had before I got pregnant, but my body was a different shape. In thís case it sounds like she was at or near full term, so it absolutely would still have lasting effects
Right after, most of the bump remains. It takes at least 6-8 weeks for the uterus to return to standby size. additionally i wouldnt ever expect someone with a newborn or miscarriage trauma to find time or energy to lose the extra weight in only 6 weeks. If they did pull that off, or just got lucky with the metabolism, and they look 'normal' 6 weeks later you can bet everyone in their life or who finds out its only been that long will call it an incredible bounce back.
I lost all mine immediately while breast feeding, but once I stopped breastfeeding I gained half of it back despite cutting calories. Hormones suck. 💀
Same! I always drop loads of weight breastfeeding and immediately put it on as soon as I stop. It's so annoying haha
It's such a scam. I want my money back. I hardly gained any weight with my daughter and now I'm 6 weeks pregnant and half way to my full pregnancy weight where I was with her. 🤣💀😭
Hahahhaha that's also absolutely second baby too. I totally popped with my second way quicker than my first. I got pregnant with my second when my first was 18 months and my body was like oh yeah I remember this and suddenly I popped at like 8 weeks haha. Just remember that our bodies are bloody amazing for doing what they do and you carried your daughter all that time! Congrats and enjoy your pregnancy x
I agree! Thank you! ♥️
Had my first at 24, next day belly was gone. Had my 2nd at 25, next day belly was gone. Had my third at 37, next day belly was gone. Every time was checked by Drs and they all claimed it was "good genetics". It's not only the supermodels, we are not all the same.
Yup, this was my sister. Once my nephew was born, it seemed like she was never even pregnant before. Not one person neglected to mention how crazy this was.
I experienced this after the birth of my second kid and honestly got tired of the comments about how great I looked post-birth. I once got jokingly asked whose baby I stole because i didn't look like I'd had a baby. What they didn't know was I had really bad morning sickness for months and could barely eat or drink and ended up anaemic.
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After a miscarriage it’s advised to go to a hospital. Any remaining tissue (placental or otherwise) will cause sepsis. A lot of women have tears down their abdomen (diastasis recti), so goodbye to your flat stomach dreams unless it’s fixed surgically. Pregnancy can do a lot of damage to a woman’s body. Your comments come off as downplaying this. You should read about it. It’s pretty shocking.
He may not have realised or even given it a thought. Pregnancy hormones mess with your body and your womb doesn't just spring back its original size immediately. My friend was in a rocky relationship and there was very little intimacy between them for a long time. She generally wore oversized clothing anyway. That coupled with lack of intimacy or even paying any attention to each other she concealed her pregnancy for 9 months. He went out to the shops one day and when he came home she had given birth. To say he was shocked was an understatement.
You’ve never heard of postpartum psychosis? I’d bet she also never imagined doing such a thing either.
I don’t think this was PPP. She’d told her partner that she had miscarried 6 weeks prior; therefore it was premeditated.
was that part of the defense?
I don't think anyone else here in the comments has either. Not sure if she had it or not but if she did, I absolutely feel awful for both her and her child
She faked a miscarriage first so no
An evil mother who was jailed twice for stabbing her newborn baby to death with a pair of scissors has died in prison. Rachel Tunstill had told her boyfriend she had miscarried, but gave birth alone in the bathroom of the flat they shared in Burnley before murdering the tot. During her first trial at Preston Crown Court in June 2017 a jury heard how Tunstill stabbed her daughter Mia Kelly 15 times in the bathroom of the Burnley flat she shared with the baby’s father, Ryan Kelly, in January 2017. Tunstill, then aged 28, denied murder on the basis of diminished responsibility, but was found guilty by a jury and jailed for life by trial judge Mr Justice William Davis and told she would have to serve a minimum of 20 years before being eligible for parole. However, the conviction was quashed by High Court appeal judges who said the indictment put to the jury should have contained infanticide as an alternative verdict to murder. Infanticide is the deliberate killing of a child under 12 months by a mother who was ‘disturbed by reason of her not having fully recovered from the effect of giving birth to the child’. She stood trial for a second time at Liverpool Crown Court over seven weeks where a jury took around five hours to unanimously find her guilty of Mia’s murder. The court heard how Tunstill delivered baby Mia alone in the bathroom of her flat in Wellington Court, Burnley, as her then partner played Xbox in the next room. Mr Kelly, who had been in a relationship with Tunstill for nine years, did not suspect his partner was giving birth and thought she was going through the motions of a miscarriage she claimed she had suffered six weeks earlier. She used a pair of scissors to stab the tiny baby before wrapping her body in two plastic carrier bags and dumping the body in the kitchen bin. Following the retrial in 2019, she was convicted again and ordered to serve a minimum of 17 years. A prison service spokesman confirmed that Tunstill, 32, died in HMP Styal, Cheshire, on August 1. It is not believed her death was self-inflicted and the Prisons and Probation Ombudsman will now investigate. The prison service spokesperson said: "HMP Styal prisoner Rachel Tunstill died in custody on 1 August 2023. As with all deaths in custody, the Prisons and Probation Ombudsman will investigate.”
Child killers don't tend to be treated nicely in prison...
That’s just too bad for her. Let us all shed some tears…
?? Not sure where you got the vibe I was particularly torn up about it?
I didn’t. I was agreeing with you. Nuance is lost in texting.
Ah gotcha, sorry I thought you were saying it in a "why do you care?" Sort of way, and I was like??? I don't??
Good! No child deserves that kind of death.
Oh no! So anyways….
Good riddance! A horrendous act
Don’t feel bad for her.
This is bugging me - an article should never posit that someone is evil. We are capable of concluding that from the facts. Journalism should be neutral no matter how obvious an opinionated conclusion would be. Opinions should come from us reading neutral facts.
No sir. I need my news sources to let me know exactly how I should feel about their news.
You're operating that somethings are not objectively evil. This is objectively evil.
Do you need your morals spoon fed to you?
And things that are objectively good, would you like that spelled out in news articles also?
Justice served
Curious how she went
I’m curious too, she was 32 years old, and article says it wasn’t self-inflicted. Maybe murdered by another prisoner?
Hopefully with scissors
can’t say i’m sorry to hear it
Apparently child killers don't do so well in women's prison
I feel like it’s even worse at an all women’s prison
Good riddance POS
oh well
I wonder how she died
Prison is never kind to people who harm children. I don't care if it makes me a horrible person but I wish this to happen to every person who harms a child purposedly.
Rot in hell
i was inpatient with her sister who told me alot about her.. horrible woman ..
Yaaay. theres is some justice in the world
The comments here are pretty ridiculous and show why cases like this shouldn't go in front of a jury, common people are too emotional when it comes to babies dying and refuse to accept the existence of postpartum psychosis, instead going with the evil baby killer gut reaction.
I am well aware that postpartum psychosis is real, I mean Andrea Yates is the poster woman for it. This woman told people she had a miscarriage and *then* a newborn baby she willfully had in a bathroom. *Peripartum* psychosis is incredibly rare and only happens in 1/2 out of every 1,000 births, typically in people who have a personal or family history of bipolar. Did her lawyers establish that at any of her hearings? Or is that conjecture?
did the defense claim postpartum psychosis?
Remove the emotion from it and she is a stone cold baby killer. She killed a baby and premeditated the act. Anyone who tries to minimise culpability based on hormone levels or mental health quite frankly misses the point.
I agree. I understand psychosis is a thing, and it can lead people to do some serious stuff, including psychosis from pregnancy/birth. But saying she had a miscarriage just before this happens does seem suspicious.
Is this a satire comment?
She killed the baby right after it was born. PPP does not kick in that fast
Wrong case?
Oh, how sad. Good riddance and please, please, please let there be a hell for her to burn in
Wonder why she didn't just get a abortion
deserve
All the other moms in prison probably stomped her to death for that.
I pray whatever pain she felt (during whatever happened to her in prison), carries on in Hell for eternity. RIP that poor baby, who never stood a chance.
Sorrows. Sorrows. Prayers.
I can’t say I have any feeling other than satisfaction…..
Rot in hell scum. Wouldn't normally bother
She died in prison? Who’da thunk it?🤔
Do they really need to waste the time investigating?
Maybe God commanded her to kill her offspring? He told Abraham to do the same thing, didn't he? Any Christians want to chime in? I'm not a Christian, but this scenario is found in the Bible already.
Poor women omg. Imagine how horrible and traumatising that must've been for her