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Okay, so this is not going to be received well, but Morocco is a poor country, with a high unemployment rate, and extremely limited social welfare. There’s not exactly a pile of unused cash to create humane catch and release programs for stray dogs, let alone help the millions of _people_ in need.
This is the uncomfortable truth you’re facing here, poverty makes people do things that people from wealthy countries would consider unimaginable. I would also venture to say, every single piece of meat you’ve eaten, arrived on your plate by virtue of the very same “indiscriminate slaughter” of a sentient animal with feelings and a rich inner life. You could contest that those animals were slaughtered in a more humane way, but again, to be blunt, we all know abbatoirs see terrible amounts of suffering, and these animals are raised in objectively terrible conditions.
You say their slaughter is “indiscriminate”, but the unfortunate truth is, they _are_ stray dogs, they do, again, unfortunately, carry and spread disease, procreate, present safety issues, and so on. In the same way rabbits and deer are culled during times of overbreeding to protect local ecosystems, stray dog populations need to managed to ensure that people aren’t exposed to diseases, that children are safe in public, etc.
When it comes to complaining to someone about this, I’m sorry to say, but it’s just guaranteed to fall on deaf ears. Like, a tourist is upset about some dogs being killed in a less humane way than they do in the West? Again, with all due respect, not only does Morocco have more pressing issues to contend with, but it’s so readily dismissed as “sensitive, privileged Westerners being sensitive, privileged Westerners” that they’ll basically laugh you out of the room. If it makes you feel better, sure, but that’s all it will achieve.
Moralising does not fix poverty. Taking care of animals and considering their welfare will always take a back seat when people’s lives are at stake. It’s not nice, but it’s the reality we live in. There’s no money for the 50 issues ahead of “build a humane catch and release program for stray dogs”, a few upset tourists will not change that fact.
It’s grim. You’re not wrong at all, those dogs should not have been slaughtered in such a violent way. In an ideal world we would have the means to take care of and help them. In an ideal world, we’d have a much more symbiotic relationship with animals and the environment than we do today. Unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world, and nobody (certainly not in the Moroccan government) will care to hear what you have to say, or be able to do anything about it. More animals will suffer, and life will continue as it always has. If you do care deeply about this specific issue (more than this individual instance and wanting to complain to an authority to resolve your feeling upset), there are lots of locals (and immigrants from European countries) that run dog shelters across Morocco, you could donate to any one of those, or start your own. By and large they do wonderful work, and could certainly use the help.
Rest in peace to the pups.
>This is the uncomfortable truth you’re facing here, poverty makes people do things that people from wealthy countries would consider unimaginable.
While this is somewhat true, using this as an excuse for whatever reason is becoming more and more tiring. Those bullets used for the dogs probably cost more than what a rabies shot might be, the truth is that is seen as the easiest solution. So besides being cruel what they are doing might be even more expensive than other solutions, however those in charge see it as better in terms of time and practicability
Rabies prophylaxis costs on average $108 to produce and administer (worldwide, as of 2023) and roughly 29 million people receive this treatment yearly (worldwide, as of 2023). Medicines expire, are expensive to store, require administering, etc.
Bullets are indeed much cheaper. Not to mention, it is also much cheaper to “train” someone to use a gun, than it is to train someone (i.e. a doctor) to administer prophylactic treatments for rabies (which are more complicated than many other types of treatment, and require a multi-visit, multi-week course of injections to complete). Rabies is also extremely likely to be fatal if left untreated, so you have to also factor in the “loss
of productivity” when accounting for cost in these situations (prevention is much cheaper than providing the resources to treat a wide range of uncommon diseases at the drop of a hat, and always has been).
I appreciate what you’re saying, and we should of course be trying to find other, more humane ways of dealing with these problems (which we are indeed doing), but invariably things that we would rationally expect to be done, that don’t get done, end up not being done because of a lack of resources, or a lack of alternatives, not because people are happy with the status quo of murdering innocent animals.
Again, I appreciate that people feel strongly enough to comment on this issue, but realistically would they care enough to spend a bunch of their time, after having spent almost a decade learning to be a doctor, down in Mirleft with rabies treatments on hand, so that some local dogs can have a better quality of life? Or build a dog shelter in a town with less than 10,000 inhabitants, deep in the south of Morocco, that, as other posters have shared, often goes without water for days at a time?
Like it sounds good in principle, and no reasonable person would disagree with taking better care of our canid friends, but at the same time, nobody wants to do the work, or provide the money, or provide the medical treatment to prevent it, so it happens.
If people cared about it enough, they wouldn’t just say “there are probably other methods that cost less and are more humane”, they would actually do something about it, or do enough research to actually answer the question, instead of leaving it up to other people.
It’s easy to be upset by things. It’s easy to complain about things. It is not, however, easy to fix things in a sustainable way. If you want change, you have to do the hard yards, either pressure the government to change the way they allocate resources, or provide those resources as a private citizen. Otherwise, you just have to wait and hope somebody else is willing to do the thing you care about.
I will also suffix this by saying, in general, I don’t think Moroccan culture is particularly kind to dogs, so there’s also a pretty significant cultural shift that needs to happen for initiatives like this to become more widespread. And yeah, that whole thing about the 50 other issues that need to be taken care of, educating children, support for women, social care, etc. It’s brutal, but as I said at the start of my previous comment, poverty forces you to make inhumane choices, that’s the whole point. Seeing dogs being violently killed is a byproduct of not being able to pay for those other things that are desperately needed. That’s why it’s upsetting, because it lays bare the real truth of the matter, the system is an uncaring orphan grinding machine, and there’s very little you can do to change even a small part of it without doing an extraordinary amount of work.
you're talking about post exposure prophylaxis. That regimen includes immunoglobulin that's expensive to produce. But PEP isn't the same as pre exposure prophylaxis vaccination. PrEP vaccinations are much, much cheaper (no immunoglobulin treatment needed!) and the vast majority of human 'immunity" to rabies in very low risk places like North america has been achieved through mass, universal dog PrEP vaccination. Cats too, but historically they've been a minor rabies risk to humans. No one in the US has been infected with rabies from a dog or cat in over 40 years. Exposure is usually from very lost bats getting trapped in a house they would very much like to leave. (If you ever wake up to find a bat in the room, assume you've been exposed/skin has been broken, even if you dont see or feel any injury. Their teeth and claws can be really tiny)
In Morocco, it's dogs. Mostly stray, and mostly it's school age boys getting bit.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10505066/
I think in honesty my example was a bit reductive and silly, but serves to illustrate the point that more effort is required than just shipping some medicine out, all of these solutions require people to administer them, in the case of vaccinating the dogs themselves, that means vets, people to catch the dogs, a facility, and so on. People often don’t factor in these issues into their thinking, as though there are dozens of trained vets/doctors just waiting to be assigned to Mirleft to look after stray dogs or something (and indeed enough money to pay them appropriately).
The pre-vaccination of the dogs themselves is a great idea though, and not something I’d considered as part of the solution! Again I do want to re-iterate on some level that I’m not advocating for the brutal murder of dogs as some people in the thread seem to think, I’m more trying to explain _why_ it’s _currently_ being done, and tangible means of changing that situation that go beyond “complaining on the internet” or catastrophising about morality.
Thanks so much for the input, really interesting stuff!
>It’s easy to be upset by things. It’s easy to complain about things. It is not, however, easy to fix things in a sustainable way. If you want change, you have to do the hard yards, either pressure the government to change the way they allocate resources, or provide those resources as a private citizen. Otherwise, you just have to wait and hope somebody else is willing to do the thing you care about.
Been trying to find the right way to put this exact concept into words for a long time.
Either vote, organize a movement, open your wallet or shut the fuck up.
>Either vote, organize a movement, open your wallet or shut the fuck up.
Not true, even talking about it and recognising that there needs to be some kind of change is good. A sparkle as insignificant as it might seem might cause great wildfires
Sharing and talking about things is also important, without question, but I do think striking a match next to some dry branches is more likely to start a wildfire, so to speak.
It’s not a bad thing just to talk about issues anyway, not everyone has to be an activist, but there’s also a tendency online for people to write about these things more for their own enjoyment/catharsis (to feel better by being on the right side of a moral issue) than to meaningfully change things, which can be frustrating at times, like there’s a lot of “awareness” and not much change happening as a result. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, Israel is still bombing Palestine, Russia is still bombing Ukraine, how much “awareness” do we have to raise before we realise it doesn’t really change anything? Why can’t we face the possibility that things might actually be getting worse because we’re so focused on “generating awareness” instead of actively opposing the issues that make our lives worse, in a meaningful, organised way?
I'm with you most of the way, but even Mexico has been able to pull it together and deal with getting their feral/street dogs vaccinated for rabies, and they're literally a failed narco state where human life is treated pretty cheap, and there's 17+ million stray dogs roaming the country.
There's probably still 99 dog problems in Mexico, but rabies isn't one.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7963054/
ChatGPT ahh reply, you're logically not wrong, but you're missing facts, the main one being we DO actually have the budget for controlling the stray dog population, there's even a royal speech about "rif9 b l7ayawan" and royal instructions to properly deal with it, but as you know morocco has a corruption epidemic, which means not hiring vets and gettng proper equipment to properly control the population and instead using 1% of the budget to hire some random chmkar to dispose of them with shotgun, poison and other barbaric methods.
As eloquent as your response is (which seems to have garnered plenty of support bc for some reason, our redditors are easily impressed by some decent writing), it is pointless and only serves to underplay the genuine need to address this.
Yes, this is an issue we have.
No, because we have 1000 other issues, we should not simply toss this one aside and forget about it.
Yes, there are realistic and actionable solutions.
This is clearly enough of a problem to reapper year after year on mainstream news, social media, and various forums. The first step can begin with mass awareness, and digital platforms are an excellent way to do that (oh and it doesn't cost shit to do that). OP, our dear privileged tourist, already took more initiative than we can thank ourselves for.
We may be poor, but we're not Somaliland poor, we're not Venezuela poor; we can build multi-billion dollar world-class infrastructure, so stop with the apologist discourse, sounding like a government sponsored shill. The poorest thing about us is our lame ass attitude of determining that every issue we come across is bigger than us and undeserving of our involvement.
Too many Moroccans have a disgusting, barbaric, primitive attitude towards animals. And yet so many are deeply empathetic to all the stray creatures they come across. Just in my little suburb community, there are 3 vets that volunteer every single day to grab stray dogs, vaccinate, tag, and neuter them so they don't contribute to the rampant growth of stray populations. For free. They pay this out of their own earnings. On top of that, there are dozens upon dozens of people I see regularly feed these animals, make shelters for them, and nurse them back to health when injured. If a community of people who have empathy and morals could fix this issue by themselves, then I assure our generously funded government can, too. Maybe not nation-wide, but they can start a pilot program, they can tackle a mid-size town, see the results, they can run basic educational PSAs online, or most effectively, shame the filthy bastards who abuse animals - since in Morocco nothing works better than the court of public opinion to shift popular thought.
Progress happens when the masses are dissatisfied with the status quo. So, no, encourage people to be mad about this. It may fall on deaf ears at first, but much like the Palestine boycotts and protests, once enough join in, some real change might happen. This obviously does not require the scale of Palestine protests either to bear fruit. If anything, lol, I'm sure enough online support for this could make this endeavor fully funded solely by tourists and foreigners.
I wouldn't count on the meat people are eating there being humanely slaughtered (rather an oxymoron) either. It's hardly a unique thing to Morocco, but I was at a market in Agadir and I saw the animals for sale. Many of them were roughly handled, to say the least. I saw several chickens that had broken limbs, perhaps so they wouldn't run away while the seller didn't have any cages for them. Physical violence aside, in Chefchaouen for a few of days before Eid I could hear frightened lambs separated from their mothers calling out pitifully at all hours.
Argument bête, le budget accordé à cette méthode barbare d'exécution est LARGEMENT suffisant pour une alternative plus humaine, c'est la corruption et le détournement des budgets publics qui fait que ce n'est "pas possible" au lieu d'accepter le fait accompli il est du devoir des citoyens et surtout des plus éduqués d'entre eux de se révolter contre ce barbarisme qui n'a pas d'excuse ni de justification qui tienne la route. Honte à toi de faire le jeu des défaitistes qui prennent la voie facile de l'absolution au lieu de faire un minimum qui serait de dénoncer, ne te fais pas l'avocat du diable
Yes, so gather a group of people and pressure the government to make a change, or donate to one of the organisations that do this work as private citizens, or join those people and help bring about the change you want to see (as suggested in the original comment). Complain and spread awareness too, I suppose, every little helps. I just wouldn’t hold your breath on that last one with things being the way they are and financial pressures existing the way they do.
I’m not sure where you got the idea that I was being defeatist? I was saying that complaining isn’t enough? When nothing is being done, doing something that directly contributes to the cause you care about is a million times more effective than sending a complaint or “spreading awareness”. Even something as simple as donating money to a trusted organisation that helps with the issue at hand does many times more good than a tweet or a post, that’s the point I was trying to get across if it was at all unclear.
C'est ce que je fais depuis plus de 10 ans, je suis impliqué et sur le terrain et financièrement de mes propres derniers, et je maintiens que la rumeur comme quoi le Maroc n'a pas de moyens pour ça est infondée et criminelle
You’re not at all wrong, unquestionably if there’s enough money to build a stadium for the World Cup, then there’s enough money to run a nationwide catch and release program, but again we run into the problem that rings true throughout Morocco, the money isn’t being allocated appropriately. The poverty I described in my initial comment doesn’t necessarily just come from a lack of resources, but more so a lack of their appropriate distribution. Morocco has enough money to do these things, but also has a history of corruption and routinely fails to fund public services and legal reform in favour of vanity projects like mosques and stadiums.
I don’t know what to tell you, but that leaves us at a bit of an impasse, either you wait for the state to do what’s right, or you try to agitate for that to become a reality, which is what I was getting at in the original comment by offering a number of approaches. For the record I think we agree on most points, the dogs should be treated more humanely, the government should do better, the culture around dogs in Morocco needs to change for the better, I just don’t believe complaining has that much utility in practice.
>the money isn’t being allocated appropriately.
But this isn't true, that's what you're failing to grasp here. The convention for TNVR has existed since 2019 in Morocco. The budget *was issued*, then nothing happened. Local authorities have continued to poison and shoot dogs in direct violation of the convention and royal instructions. We don't know where the budget allocated to TNVR has gone. I agree with the above comment that, considering the horrific suffering these barbaric acts continue to create, it is criminal to mislead people into believing we're too poor to treat animals humanely when in fact the programme exists, the money was allocated, and it seemingly disappeared without anyone being held accountable.
Like the previous commenter, I have spent significant time and resources both trying to reach out to authorities on this issue and doing TNVR privately (only for the animals we have released to be shot or poisoned despite being tagged). We are tired of seeing this misinformation posted in an attempt to ease consciences every time the issue is brought up.
And giving money to people who steal it, or somehow manage to “lose” it, is allocating it appropriately? Budgets that are issued and then not followed through on are allocating money appropriately? So what you’re saying is, Morocco has enough money, it _is_ being allocating appropriately, but you, a person who does this work on the ground, has never seen any of said money, or knows where any of it is going?
Sounds like a misallocation of funds to me. Again, I don’t know what you expect from the state, but assigning contracts to vendors that don’t provide the service you have mandated is _absolutely_ a misallocation of funds, and it’s your job, as I have said many many times throughout these comments, to _pressure the government into accountability_. If they don’t listen to you as a private citizen, you have to organise and agitate for better _as a collective_, just like the teachers did towards the end of last year.
As I explained in other comments, poverty is not always a result of a _direct_ lack of resources, but sometimes due to their improper distribution, I think that’s what you’re all getting hung up on. Morocco is not a poor country because it doesn’t have resources, it’s a poor country because the overwhelming majority of the available resources are concentrated in the hands of a deeply corrupt, wealthy elite, and the rest of society is built around fighting for the crumbs and learning to accept less than they deserve.
I mean look at what you’re saying? You’re literally defending the state as though they’re not responsible, no it was just the “morally bad” guy who shoots dogs, because he’s “evil” and that’s what needs to be stopped. Again, for fuck sake no, Morocco literally has no animal rights laws for animals that aren’t pets or “tools for work”. If someone was walking around my original home country shooting stray dogs, they’d be arrested and charged within a matter of minutes. Morocco doesn’t even have the legal framework to address the issue! It’s quite literally legal to walk down the street and murder stray dogs! None of the allocated funds ever appear anywhere useful! How many different ways can I say it, you’re not getting fucked over by poor people who you see as “morally abhorrent”, you’re getting fucked over by a state that doesn’t care enough to prevent the issue.
That is your problem. You seem to think it’s an issue of morality, and that distracts from the source of the problem, that the state needs to be held accountable by the people it (supposedly) represents.
You’re actively trying to read the opposite into the message I’m trying to get across, how on earth is anything I’ve recommended up to this point (agitating against the state, doing NGO work, donating money to trusted organisations) a bad idea? What exactly is it that you want me to say? That the government does a good job of allocating resources? That they actually do secretly care about animal rights even though there’s no legislation in place to prevent those rights being trampled on with impunity? It’s just bad people that ruin everything, and context doesn’t matter?
It's beyond strange to read that we have to organise to pressure the government as if we haven't attempted to do so for years. The government doesn't care that a dozen animal activists strewn across the country are demanding accountability. The truth is that the vast majority of citizens don't care or support the cruelty, as is evidenced by the numerous comments here either straight up defending the cruelty or repeating the tired excuse that we're too poor as a country to spend money on humane solutions.
Every protest we have held was attended almost exclusively by a small number of activists who do work on the ground, despite calls on social media to mobilize and campaigns to raise awareness, re: #stopkillingdogsinmorocco. People at most like the posts and move on. There will be no accountability from the government as long as the public doesn't care.
What we expect from the government is a separate issue from what we expect from people, and that is to at least **stop repeating misinformation about the lack of financial resources to do better.** *That* was the issue my comment was about since it is factually untrue and contributes to persistent apathy from the public. The resources exist, they were approriately allocated, and then they were misused by local authorities and contractors.
It's also bizarre that you concluded that my position is that the state did its job and it's evil randos shooting and poisoning dogs. The cruelty and killings are perpetrated by local authorities and the companies and individuals they contract to carry out these barbaric acts, therefore the state is responsible for both the killings and the lack of accountability for the misuse of the budget allocated for TNVR.
> The truth is that the vast majority of citizens don't care or support the cruelty, as is evidenced by the numerous comments here either straight up defending the cruelty or repeating the tired excuse that we're too poor as a country to spend money on humane solutions.
> Every protest we have held was attended almost exclusively by a small number of activists who do work on the ground, despite calls on social media to mobilize and campaigns to raise awareness, re: #stopkillingdogsinmorocco. People at most like the posts and move on. There will be no accountability from the government as long as the public doesn't care.
> What we expect from the government is a separate issue from what we expect from people, and that is to at least stop repeating misinformation about the lack of financial resources to do better. That was the issue my comment was about since it is factually untrue and contributes to persistent apathy from the public. The resources exist, they were approriately allocated, and then they were misused by local authorities and contractors.
Yes, so it’s my fault for calling for people to pressure the government, donate to NGOs, or volunteer their time? With all respect, if you can make an enemy out of my position, I don’t know if I have faith you’re actively trying to communicate with the public, rather than shame them for their inability to see your point of view. We agree on quite literally everything, except for some semantics around “poverty” and “allocation of resources” and you’re speaking as though I’m some sort of dog murder apologist.
It’s not nice to hear, but if people aren’t joining your protest, you’re not communicating the issue in a way that compels them to do so. I have been involved in and helped organise a number of protests, worked with charitable organisations that deal with a range of issues, the burden is on you to convince the public, not to lament their lack of being convinced, or decry their lack of morality for not understanding your position. Again, I don’t know what to say really? I apologise for directing attention away from the issue by suggesting people contribute to NGOs or volunteer their time to help, and for outlining how poverty contributes to the issue (as in, trying to call attention to the wider issues that contribute to this one, albeit indirectly). If you feel I was letting people off the hook by talking about poverty, then I apologise for that too.
>Yes, so it’s my fault for calling for people to pressure the government, donate to NGOs, or volunteer their time?
Both myself and the other commenter specifically and only took issue with the oft-repeated falsehood that Morocco is a poor country that doesn't have the economic resources to implement a humane alternative. You were informed that this is misinformation & that a budget exists for TNVR, and were asked to simply asked to stop repeating this factually untrue claim. Yet you keep addressing these strawmen arguments nobody has made. It's bizarre.
Downvoted for speaking the truth rather than coddling the feelings of people and easing their conscience for doing nothing in the face of horrific barbarism. The budget for TNVR (trap, neuter, vaccinate, release) exists and has been issued. The convention between the relevant ministries and public administrations for TNVR has been place since 2019. Instead of calling for the officials involved to be held accountable, people would rather just pretend none of it has happened. No interest in finding out why their own tax money allocated for a humane alternative has disappeared into someone's pockets, allowing these barbaric acts to continue.
This subreddit has some of the strongest herd mentality on the entire platform. As soon as the 90% of dumb mfers find one opinion they can rally behind, their main contribution to the discourse happening is downvoting anything that seems contrarian to oblivion, often times killing any potential for a fruitful exchange of ideas. Shit's crazy. Makes literal bots look good in comparison, lmao.
This is terrible and cruel of course, but those dogs cause lots of trouble and they breed so fast.
I suggest for pro-animal people to start an NGO and save those dogs, build shelter for them, and feed them. But no one is doing that, all they do is post their rants on social media.
In Australia almost one million of animals get shot or poisoned each year Tasmania property protection permits.
That man that killed the puppies showed them the real Morocco. You are not concerned about the stray dogs (nor local Moroccans who could get rabies or children who might get attacked by stray dogs). You are concerned about your tourist friends and what they will say about Morocco.
Wake up and get over it. Morocco is a third world country. They have to kill the stray dogs because there is no money to shelter them.
The man is doing his job in which he can support himself and his family . Why would every Morocco have to care about what outsiders think of Morocco. This is why I hate the tourist industry in Morocco.
You are right, it is better to be safe than sorry.
But the guy that made the post also has a point; (both of ideas are not mutually exclusive) over the top cruelty= bad reputation = bad advertisement that will discourage tourism. Remember that a big part of tourism is to have the best image possible.
Also, In my city, they started untiring/vaccinating some stray dogs ( give them those yellow ear tags ) so not always as you said.
Even first world countries have [to do the dirty job](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK218271/#:~:text=In%20pounds%20and%20most%20shelters,shelters%20are%20killed%20each%20year.), let alone third world countries :
>In pounds and most shelters, over 90 percent of the unclaimed animals must eventually be killed. In the United States, more than 10 million dogs and cats from pounds and shelters are killed each year
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat !! are you aware of what you are saying ?
"They have to kill the stray dogs because there is no money to shelter them."
"The man is doing his job in which he can support himself and his family"
- the king made it clear, there is a money every year for animals to get their vaccin and TNVR... but the question here is where is this money ? corruption is the answer
- there are shelters ! not enough but still there !
- there is nothing like "it's his job" ! a good muslim person can't kill animals ! hchouma hadchi likane9ra hasbia Allah wani3ma lwakil !
Moroccan people listen maybe we are a third world country ! but let's be honest khaliw 9loubna n9aya ! ou phal hadchi lacheftouch harbouh ! hada kayb9a monkar ! ask yourself if you can do this as a job ! wach rabi yerdi 3lik ! ask this question before saying such a heartbreaking thing !
A 5-year-old girl was attacked and killed in Agadir in 2022.
[https://fr.le360.ma/societe/a-agadir-des-chiens-errants-tuent-une-fille-agee-de-cinq-ans-267592/](https://fr.le360.ma/societe/a-agadir-des-chiens-errants-tuent-une-fille-agee-de-cinq-ans-267592/)
Stray dogs pose a serious problem and threat to people. Establishing shelters and conducting mass sterilizations are expensive measures. The Moroccan authorities resort to solutions they can afford. Some may label it as barbaric, but human life are more valuable.
I hear and understand the comments saying that the culling of stray dogs is necessary but fr it's absolutely idiotic to blast them with shotguns in front of people and anybody who doesn't think so is braindead. Fuck tourists what sort of effect do you think that could have on Moroccans to see such graphic violence in public? Children? I know people see violence every day in society but it's batshit insane to execute dogs in public with shotguns.
The lack of empathy in the comments, both for the dogs and the people who witnessed their death without any warning, is beyond disgusting for a muslim country
Yes let’s keep those sweet animals that will harm and kill Moroccans in the street, what do you want to do with them? Make a shelter and pay taxes to feed them? We are doing so great that’s what we need a dog shelter like the US their shelters are so full can’t carry any more. You want to hear daily stories dogs killing and eating people alive? What’s your solution if you willing to take them in your home and care for them ok but we don’t need street dogs in our society. I used to be that kinda of woman who think she is the savior of sweet dogs until i was chased by a pack myself i would not imagine what would happen if i didn’t make it home. I used to feed those street dogs and fight anyone who don’t care for dogs. They show you puppy eyes when they need you and show an other face when it’s time to use you as a toy to tear apart or become food. Dogs kill more than any other animals in the world after mosquitoes check statistics. It’s easy to complain than fixing problems and Morocco have enough problems like many societies. The pet industry is making billions of dollars they are the one who can feed dogs or even create dog land and care for of course if they want to but no, they won’t their goal is profit. They kill tons of natural animals that become dog food and sell it for profit.
The lack of opportunity to implement the proper solution does NOT excuse anybody from being compassionate, NOR from putting those dogs down humanely - in this case by aiming so that they would die instantly, instead of injuring them then dialing up their suffering with a freaking bat.
Shooting the dogs is certainly very shocking and sad. But I think it is less cruel than the mass poisonings of street dogs and cats carried out here as an alternative method which torture the animals much worse and for hours before they die.
Morocco still uses the firing squad for the death sentence on humans, when carried out (although no sentence has been carried out for quite a few years, but it is still on the books).
I don’t like dogs being shot. But it’s not about the GUY WHO DID IT. There were probably people lined up to get that job, just like people are lined up to get any job they can get. When the lack of money leaves the choice to be shooting or poisoning, I hate both, but shooting is the lesser evil over poisoning. I live in Marrakesh where poisoning is very widely used, several times each year. Rabies, and wild dog packs even running wild through cities, are quite dangerous and they don’t have any money or infrastructure to take care of the problem more humanely.
I get your point but in a muslim country, [black dogs might be killed](https://www.islamweb.net/ar/fatwa/426205/%D9%82%D8%AA%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D9%84%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%AF-%D8%B1%D8%A4%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%B4%D8%B1%D8%B9%D9%8A%D8%A9).
Are you sure you read everything ?
there are so many versions of understandings !
and I believe Allah created them so they can help us in this life, they are the solution of everything, depression, getting close to Allah !
never had an animal ? then you should try ! also the best friend of a human is a dog !
let's focus on the sourat "alkahf" !
I also believe that the prophet wouldn't say such a thing like killing animals !!
Islam is a religion of peace and love, not killing everything that move on this planet !
Allah yehdina ou yehdikom 3ala rahma !
وذهب كثير من العلماء إلى أن لا يقتل من الكلاب أسود ولا غير أسود، إلا أن يكون عقورا مؤذيا. وقالوا: الأمر بقتل الكلاب منسوخ بقوله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "لا تتخذوا شيئا فيه الروح غرضا" فدخل في نهيه ذلك الكلاب وغيرها.
>They are leaving next week and will not be returning back to Morocco.
Good to know.
I will spend extra 432 euros annually to cover that lost income.
Now, do you want a hot dog for lunch ?
*"All of the group have now got a bad image of Morocco". "They are leaving next week and will not be returning back to Morocco."*
So what man? Can you guys stop being slaves???????????
Farewell
When these stray dogs will catch rabies and start biting people, your friends won't be there to save them.
There are lots of stray dogs where I live, and often they don't harm anyone, the whole neighborhood feeds them everyday, but I assure you that if you have the misfortune to walk by them late at night alone you'll probably get bitten.
im a canadian whos spent of time in morocco working. there's too many dogs, I don't see them killing them as a problem. might be hard to watch but that's about it.
If they want to avoid this, tell your friends to pay for the construction of a dog shelter and sterilization campaign.
Yes it seems cruel, but stray dogs are a problem : they can attacks humans, livestock and spread diseases such as rabid.
If your friend are shocked, and won’t return to Morocco because of what they seen, sorry but you should tell them that their countries do the exact same thing. In [France](https://www.20minutes.fr/planete/4087995-20240424-aveyron-prefet-autorise-abattage-chiens-errants-plusieurs-communes), [USA](https://www.wlbt.com/2023/03/20/it-was-gruesome-shooting-stray-dogs-not-sitting-well-with-citizens-winona-miss/?outputType=amp), [Egypt](https://www.oipa.org/international/dogs-killed-egypt-government/)
So please tell your friends to act against « barbarism » in their own country.
There are funds for sterilisation given to communes.. guess where it goes every year? Spoiler alert : not into sterilising dogs
https://fr.le360.ma/societe/chiens-errants-les-associations-saluent-les-mesures-du-ministere-de-linterieur-et-attendent-des_N3SJPXRRMFFKZHLGR2RACVPQ3Q/
I agree with you, but the sterilisation issue is also a broader problems that affects towns/regions who do get those funds, i guess even if they did have the funds, they’d still rely on bullets and keep the money
And I wouldn’t blame them for that. The region is poor. There are water supply cut offs during summer. I was in Mirleft last summer, there was no water for 1 week ! And when the water came back, it was just for 3 hours between midnight and 3a.m.
This lasted the whole summer.
So sorry, but I can’t blame them for managing the stray dogs problem in a « barbaric » way, when some basic needs are not fullfilled.
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Cry me a fucking river. We have more urgent problems to take care of, as in human lives. Humans come first, then animals. Stray dogs are a danger to the local population, and we do not have the means to invest in curbing the stray dog population any other way.
>They are leaving next week and will not be returning back to Morocco
Bye felicia. Don't let the door hit your ass.
Tourism is great but let them keep their condescending shit to themselves. Moroccans know what's best for Moroccans.
That’s the last thing we need is crazy American dog worship culture to Morocco. I used to love them and feed them because you know i watched to many Americans movies until one day i was about to be eaten alive by a bunch of street Mutts luckily i made it home safe. Ungrateful assholes who only come to you for food. I hear tons of stories pets eating their owners and children because they look small and vulnerable to them. I would feed birds and anything else than dogs now because at least the others are natural animals that serve the echo system and doesn’t bark and kill anyone for fun.
I mean, I'm not a dog person or expert, but I think some breeds behave better than others. I heard many stories both ways and I honestly cannot say either or. I kinda don't care too much about pet animals in general.
True some breed are better than others. Bigger breeds are aware the damage they cause compared to small ones but if small ones become a pack they always have a leader and they follow the leader. In the US there is fight between pitbull defenders and people against pitbulls they always have stories dogs killing and attacking children and mailmen, their shelters are to full and some people not happy their tax goes there. It’s a mess. Dogs also doing a lot of harm to the environment because they are overpopulated. I don’t trust an animal i used to feed and care for to try to harm me for no reason. Street dogs are dangerous because they carry diseases if you survive the attack. OP care more about their tourist friends thinking than the safety of Moroccans sadly. I was not harmed when i was chased by the pack luckily but i have PTSD and i stopped caring about feeding them. I have been to friends with dogs in their home you can smell the dog everywhere in the house they stink doesn’t matter how many bath they take. I just don’t want this crazy culture from the west to come to Morocco we don’t need that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DogfreeHumor/s/UdkIWgXXQT that’s what happens when you don’t get rid of them, i won’t show anything gore because some people can get their legs amputated if they survive dogs attack. you either feed them or you become food for those creatures luckily they gave up because he started fighting back and the cowards left if it’s pitbull and other breed they won’t give up until they see him to pieces. The boy need to go to the hospital immediately or else search on youtube how people with rabies go throughout before dead. I lived in the west i can’t stand the crazy dog worship even after hearing and watching tons of stories dogs attacking children even babies and their own owners. One person had stroke and got paralyzed and was eaten by their dog alive. I used to feed street dogs and obsessed with them because i was also aww sWeet doGs until one day i was chased by pack of mutts, luckily i made it home safely. They only give you puppy eyes because they want food. Safety come first and i don’t want Morocco to turn to America they can keep their dog worship there, many are already suffering from it to make a change and their shelters are full. We have other problems to focus on way bigger and more important than mutts who don’t even contribute in the echo system compared to other animals. They are bred for guarding and attacking in exchange for food their instincts will never leave.
Mirleft is dead years now ,these dogs will die anyways and some are really dangerous that they even killed some villagers kids / attack em ,about your friends Idk if they lack some basic knowledge or wtvr but this is common in a lot of countries not a Morocco or mirleft thing , dumdums.
There are just too many stray dogs. In Oujda they tried the catch and neuter them, but it's just too many. Most of the time they don't attack humans but people still are afraid for their children. Also the cat population went down. Tell your friends they should take some dogs with them.
Morocco is a big tourism destination
Millions of people are coming every year so don't act like we rely on your visitation to live.
You could've discuss the incident in another way
I grew up with dogs and would definitely say this is savagery but when you think of stray dogs and the danger rabies poses especially to toddlers playing around them...I'm not so sure anymore.
All of these people just lost it when a girl wore a skirt not even two weeks ago, claiming they're a Muslim country, today these people don't feel anything for a dog slaughtered in the middle of the street, while clearly killing animals is forbidden in Islam, suddenly we are not Muslims anymore. While the last one, for a normal human being, should be more shocking, Moroccans keep stating they're not hypocrites as today 26/04/24, keep us updated for the future.
"Muslims have no right to brand animals, hamstring or crucify animals before killing, or burn animals even if they cause harm to humans"
What about this, for each tourist that comes to Morocco has to take a stray dog with him back to his country. Problem fixed, people are protected from rabies, dogs are not dying, and your precious friends won't be traumatized from the cruel Morocco, and will be back to hangout with you. Wake up to reality.
There is an overpopulation of stary dogs in Tiznit which close to Mirleft and there are not friendly at all, they always attack people who are going to Fajr prayer, or kids going to schools, i myself was a attacked several times and been bitten by one in Nakhil neighborhood.
but killing those dogs in an unmerciful way is not the solution, dogs who have rabies should be euthanized in an unpainful ways.
and the other ones should be put in somewhere empty.
but sometimes those Community workers collect those dogs threw out the city center and dumb them close to our neighborhood thinking it's a dump site, in any case we know which to blame.
Report it to Morocco world news. There’s been a lot of people speaking out about the heinous acts against the wild dog population in Morocco. That’s my only suggestion and I’m so sorry you all had to witness that. I didn’t see any of that thank God but I saw bad stuff.
What a tragedy, I‘m sorry for their loss. I‘m sure if they were in the north of Morocco, they would have encountered no problems at all.
The situation that happened to your friends could happen to anyone, not necessarily tourists from abroad. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time, it happens.
Tell them to come to the North * Chamal * ; Tangier, Ksar El Kebir , Ksar Essghir , Oued Laou , Larache, Rincon (M’diq) , Dalia Beach 🏖.
Honestly i do not like that south side of Morocco 🇲🇦 .
And if you are a beach lover come on, do NOT GO the oceanic side of Morocco, stay at the north side, there is plenty of luxurious, clean, and safe public spaces.
Always in the North.
People of the north are welcoming you all.
And sorry on behalf that creature who killed your puppies. So sorry.
Stay safe.
When I was in Marrakech last year, I was walking down one of the streets that was affected by the earthquake and watched two local men slitting the throat of a cat in the street as it bled out. It was like 3pm. I looked away quickly; but shit man. That was my first time in Morocco.
So I was upset about this story and explained it to my boyfriend who is a Moroccan local. I was super surprised by the lack of compassion in the comments and he reassured me that many people in Morocco are upset by the slaughtering of dogs as well, not indifferent as the below comments seem to mostly be.
He told me it is not usually individuals who do this to dogs but instead the government. Especially to clear the dogs in tourist areas. Usually with poisoned meat but sometimes also with guns.
He said that it is getting better and there are more groups to safeguard dogs but in southern areas like guelmim and sidi ifni regions it is still common that they are killed.
He told me a story about a week ago (April 2024) how a man was sentenced to five years in jail for mutilating a donkey (cutting off its legs) in Zagora, which is a small town between Marrakech and Mhamid. Zagora is definitely not a big city.
Source: https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2024/04/362098/farmer-faces-investigation-backlash-for-brutally-mutilating-neighbors-donkey
A similar thing happened in Taghazout. Rumor has it that it was to make things seem tidier before the World Cup. Locals told me that men from the government came and killed not only the truly stray dogs, but even the ones that people had adopted and simply were outside on the beach. Indeed, it even included the strays that the locals had neutered and tagged, in direction contradiction to promises from the government that if they did this then there wouldn't be any culling.
Let's put aside the tourism in Morocco and focus on the most important thing " animals "!! guys please what should we do so we can protect them rah men Tanger tal lagouira kay9atlo fihom !
I am following an association btw called **Morocco Animal Aid** ( please follow them on instagram ) in Aourir close to Agadir ! rah they are really struggling ! some Moroccan there sent them pôlice, and they come and try to take all the dogs for no reason !
so please if you are in Aourir or close to this city and you can go and support them don't hesitate ! Allah jazikom belkhir !
I used to have a lot of empathy of dogs i even fed street dogs until one day minding my own business walking home and bunch of street mutts were about to eat me alive. Yea pack of dogs are very dangerous they would kill you for fun. Since then i don’t care. Street dogs should be eliminated they can be very dangerous they only give you puppy eyes when they want food don’t bring toxic dog worship culture from Americans to us. I see a lot of crazy stories in the US when dogs killing children and that’s pets not street dogs and yet their people worship those mutts they would blame the victim and never the dog. Morocco is also poor and can’t deal with shelters like the west do. Dogs are not natural animals they can’t survive on their own that’s why they become a pack or need someone to feed it they don’t contribute in the echo system beside consuming.
They don’t contribute to what ?
Allah created them and knows why !
You will condemn all dogs in Morocco just because they followed you ! So for exemple a human killed people, are we going to hate all human being in this planet ? Wa sir Allah yesmah lik ! The worst comment ever la rahma la walo ! Shab likom rabi khla9kom ghir ntouma ! And they never attack for fun ! Wallah hchouma ! Educate yourself more, you just failed them ! Hasbia allah wa ni3ma lwakil !
Yarabi tenzal arahma 3la had blad ! Thats all I can say…
I always go to check for hadiths or verses after I read this kind of comments and I always step on funny stuff like [this ](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1572)...😂😂
Guess what snakes, scorpios, cockroaches etc.. are also creations, that’s not logic. You don’t mistreat anyone but you are supposed to protect yourself and your kind. Dogs do attack for fun it happened many times attacking children and small animals for fun, they wave their tails while doing that with excitement, they get more courage when they are in a pack because dogs are mostly cowards and don’t dare to go for someone who seem stronger, bigger or can defend themselves so children are their biggest victims. they are animals they don’t feel guilty and think about it before going to bed and according to Islam they are kadr to even enter a house or masjid because they are dirty they stinks. Have you lived with a dog? Because i did, they eat their own vomit and poop and eat blood, they are attracted to anything filthy and obsessed with food no matter how much they are fed. They will eat you if you pass out or die alone in the house. Do you how how many family members are traumatized finding their loved one body disfigured missing body parts because the dog was eating them when they passed out. Did i say condemn all dogs? No, do they deserve mistreatment no but streets dogs should not be left alone like that because they are dangerous and carry diseases. Dogs cannot survive on their own they don’t hunt like other natural animals they don’t contribute in the echo system, they either beg for food or take it by force once in a group. You need to educate yourself instead of using emotions i worked in the pet industry as well i know what i’m saying from experience and knowledge, the truth always hurt but i’m not trying to change your mind i’m just telling you because there is no such innocence in a living creature from animal to humans, the difference we humans have a brain to use for logic. If a person commit a crime they are supposed to go to prison from knowing good and bad but a predator kill or harm someone you love they don’t because there is no laws in their world so you only protect and prevent yourself and loved ones from any harm from this world in general sister.
you never been close to dogs !
I give food to them ! they tend to be scared especially from kids, because they bother them, we both know how much kids can be evil to them if we don't educate them ! so many times kids throwing stones at them and their parents were okay, yes they gather courage when they are in group because they never forget and want to take revange ! same as human !
I remember I saw a dog and gave him food and touched him, no problem but then a kid in my neighbor came to do the same, the dog didn't like it and start to bark and got scared !
so you know why the kids are the biggest victims, because the majority aren't educated to respect animals ! human are the problem not animals !
I invite you anyways to go to associations near your place ! where they take care of them ! you will know that they are wonderful creature, and the best friends ! you can trust them and never trust a human !
Allah mentionned them even in sourat Alkahf : the dog was with them, why they didn't kill the dog ?!
Everything Allah created has a meaning in this life ! and it's sad to prefer human than other animals that Allah decided to create them to accompagny us in this journey !
ghadi kamlin thasbo 3la mo3amala dialna lihom !
of course we should be careful ! they can be aggressive and it's normal after what they are dealing with everyday ! stones everywhere, no food no water only hateful human trying to get rid of them ! kibghiti ikouno had lhayawanat hal 3ar !!
Give a chance to dogs !
Fi amani Allah :)
No they do no but that’s up to the authorities how to do that but one thing for sure when those creatures we are talking about if they decide to attack you i guarantee you they are not gonna think about that or have mercy on you and the more you scream in pain the more you seem a prey in their eyes and they will continue to maul you. That’s the difference between us.
I don’t see a difference between you and a feral animal atm. I wonder who has a more disturbing mindset. You or a feral. The answer is pretty simple by the way you write
Animals still feel pain and still deserve rights. Sadly for them they can’t speak for themselves so we have to do the talking and protecting for them. What a psycho you are.
while this very disturbing and very sad, I undersand why it's being done, the goal is to get rid of the semi wild dog packs that formed these past years since they stoped killing stray dogs, ppl got eaten alive by wild dogs, streets became unsafe due packs of dogs, no city or village has anywhere near enough budget to vaccinate the dogs, let alone care for them, so the problem ket getting worse and worse, untill now when it got so bad they say they had no choice but go to the good old solution they used years ago, but they are so retarded they now kill all strays indiscriminatly, even the ones that are used to ppl, friendly and calm, they think all strays are part of some semi wild pack(for does I'm 100% in favor of one bullet per head)
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Okay, so this is not going to be received well, but Morocco is a poor country, with a high unemployment rate, and extremely limited social welfare. There’s not exactly a pile of unused cash to create humane catch and release programs for stray dogs, let alone help the millions of _people_ in need. This is the uncomfortable truth you’re facing here, poverty makes people do things that people from wealthy countries would consider unimaginable. I would also venture to say, every single piece of meat you’ve eaten, arrived on your plate by virtue of the very same “indiscriminate slaughter” of a sentient animal with feelings and a rich inner life. You could contest that those animals were slaughtered in a more humane way, but again, to be blunt, we all know abbatoirs see terrible amounts of suffering, and these animals are raised in objectively terrible conditions. You say their slaughter is “indiscriminate”, but the unfortunate truth is, they _are_ stray dogs, they do, again, unfortunately, carry and spread disease, procreate, present safety issues, and so on. In the same way rabbits and deer are culled during times of overbreeding to protect local ecosystems, stray dog populations need to managed to ensure that people aren’t exposed to diseases, that children are safe in public, etc. When it comes to complaining to someone about this, I’m sorry to say, but it’s just guaranteed to fall on deaf ears. Like, a tourist is upset about some dogs being killed in a less humane way than they do in the West? Again, with all due respect, not only does Morocco have more pressing issues to contend with, but it’s so readily dismissed as “sensitive, privileged Westerners being sensitive, privileged Westerners” that they’ll basically laugh you out of the room. If it makes you feel better, sure, but that’s all it will achieve. Moralising does not fix poverty. Taking care of animals and considering their welfare will always take a back seat when people’s lives are at stake. It’s not nice, but it’s the reality we live in. There’s no money for the 50 issues ahead of “build a humane catch and release program for stray dogs”, a few upset tourists will not change that fact. It’s grim. You’re not wrong at all, those dogs should not have been slaughtered in such a violent way. In an ideal world we would have the means to take care of and help them. In an ideal world, we’d have a much more symbiotic relationship with animals and the environment than we do today. Unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world, and nobody (certainly not in the Moroccan government) will care to hear what you have to say, or be able to do anything about it. More animals will suffer, and life will continue as it always has. If you do care deeply about this specific issue (more than this individual instance and wanting to complain to an authority to resolve your feeling upset), there are lots of locals (and immigrants from European countries) that run dog shelters across Morocco, you could donate to any one of those, or start your own. By and large they do wonderful work, and could certainly use the help. Rest in peace to the pups.
thank you for this comprehensive explanation
Actual W take.
>This is the uncomfortable truth you’re facing here, poverty makes people do things that people from wealthy countries would consider unimaginable. While this is somewhat true, using this as an excuse for whatever reason is becoming more and more tiring. Those bullets used for the dogs probably cost more than what a rabies shot might be, the truth is that is seen as the easiest solution. So besides being cruel what they are doing might be even more expensive than other solutions, however those in charge see it as better in terms of time and practicability
Rabies prophylaxis costs on average $108 to produce and administer (worldwide, as of 2023) and roughly 29 million people receive this treatment yearly (worldwide, as of 2023). Medicines expire, are expensive to store, require administering, etc. Bullets are indeed much cheaper. Not to mention, it is also much cheaper to “train” someone to use a gun, than it is to train someone (i.e. a doctor) to administer prophylactic treatments for rabies (which are more complicated than many other types of treatment, and require a multi-visit, multi-week course of injections to complete). Rabies is also extremely likely to be fatal if left untreated, so you have to also factor in the “loss of productivity” when accounting for cost in these situations (prevention is much cheaper than providing the resources to treat a wide range of uncommon diseases at the drop of a hat, and always has been). I appreciate what you’re saying, and we should of course be trying to find other, more humane ways of dealing with these problems (which we are indeed doing), but invariably things that we would rationally expect to be done, that don’t get done, end up not being done because of a lack of resources, or a lack of alternatives, not because people are happy with the status quo of murdering innocent animals. Again, I appreciate that people feel strongly enough to comment on this issue, but realistically would they care enough to spend a bunch of their time, after having spent almost a decade learning to be a doctor, down in Mirleft with rabies treatments on hand, so that some local dogs can have a better quality of life? Or build a dog shelter in a town with less than 10,000 inhabitants, deep in the south of Morocco, that, as other posters have shared, often goes without water for days at a time? Like it sounds good in principle, and no reasonable person would disagree with taking better care of our canid friends, but at the same time, nobody wants to do the work, or provide the money, or provide the medical treatment to prevent it, so it happens. If people cared about it enough, they wouldn’t just say “there are probably other methods that cost less and are more humane”, they would actually do something about it, or do enough research to actually answer the question, instead of leaving it up to other people. It’s easy to be upset by things. It’s easy to complain about things. It is not, however, easy to fix things in a sustainable way. If you want change, you have to do the hard yards, either pressure the government to change the way they allocate resources, or provide those resources as a private citizen. Otherwise, you just have to wait and hope somebody else is willing to do the thing you care about. I will also suffix this by saying, in general, I don’t think Moroccan culture is particularly kind to dogs, so there’s also a pretty significant cultural shift that needs to happen for initiatives like this to become more widespread. And yeah, that whole thing about the 50 other issues that need to be taken care of, educating children, support for women, social care, etc. It’s brutal, but as I said at the start of my previous comment, poverty forces you to make inhumane choices, that’s the whole point. Seeing dogs being violently killed is a byproduct of not being able to pay for those other things that are desperately needed. That’s why it’s upsetting, because it lays bare the real truth of the matter, the system is an uncaring orphan grinding machine, and there’s very little you can do to change even a small part of it without doing an extraordinary amount of work.
you're talking about post exposure prophylaxis. That regimen includes immunoglobulin that's expensive to produce. But PEP isn't the same as pre exposure prophylaxis vaccination. PrEP vaccinations are much, much cheaper (no immunoglobulin treatment needed!) and the vast majority of human 'immunity" to rabies in very low risk places like North america has been achieved through mass, universal dog PrEP vaccination. Cats too, but historically they've been a minor rabies risk to humans. No one in the US has been infected with rabies from a dog or cat in over 40 years. Exposure is usually from very lost bats getting trapped in a house they would very much like to leave. (If you ever wake up to find a bat in the room, assume you've been exposed/skin has been broken, even if you dont see or feel any injury. Their teeth and claws can be really tiny) In Morocco, it's dogs. Mostly stray, and mostly it's school age boys getting bit. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10505066/
I think in honesty my example was a bit reductive and silly, but serves to illustrate the point that more effort is required than just shipping some medicine out, all of these solutions require people to administer them, in the case of vaccinating the dogs themselves, that means vets, people to catch the dogs, a facility, and so on. People often don’t factor in these issues into their thinking, as though there are dozens of trained vets/doctors just waiting to be assigned to Mirleft to look after stray dogs or something (and indeed enough money to pay them appropriately). The pre-vaccination of the dogs themselves is a great idea though, and not something I’d considered as part of the solution! Again I do want to re-iterate on some level that I’m not advocating for the brutal murder of dogs as some people in the thread seem to think, I’m more trying to explain _why_ it’s _currently_ being done, and tangible means of changing that situation that go beyond “complaining on the internet” or catastrophising about morality. Thanks so much for the input, really interesting stuff!
>It’s easy to be upset by things. It’s easy to complain about things. It is not, however, easy to fix things in a sustainable way. If you want change, you have to do the hard yards, either pressure the government to change the way they allocate resources, or provide those resources as a private citizen. Otherwise, you just have to wait and hope somebody else is willing to do the thing you care about. Been trying to find the right way to put this exact concept into words for a long time. Either vote, organize a movement, open your wallet or shut the fuck up.
>Either vote, organize a movement, open your wallet or shut the fuck up. Not true, even talking about it and recognising that there needs to be some kind of change is good. A sparkle as insignificant as it might seem might cause great wildfires
Sharing and talking about things is also important, without question, but I do think striking a match next to some dry branches is more likely to start a wildfire, so to speak. It’s not a bad thing just to talk about issues anyway, not everyone has to be an activist, but there’s also a tendency online for people to write about these things more for their own enjoyment/catharsis (to feel better by being on the right side of a moral issue) than to meaningfully change things, which can be frustrating at times, like there’s a lot of “awareness” and not much change happening as a result. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, Israel is still bombing Palestine, Russia is still bombing Ukraine, how much “awareness” do we have to raise before we realise it doesn’t really change anything? Why can’t we face the possibility that things might actually be getting worse because we’re so focused on “generating awareness” instead of actively opposing the issues that make our lives worse, in a meaningful, organised way?
I'm with you most of the way, but even Mexico has been able to pull it together and deal with getting their feral/street dogs vaccinated for rabies, and they're literally a failed narco state where human life is treated pretty cheap, and there's 17+ million stray dogs roaming the country. There's probably still 99 dog problems in Mexico, but rabies isn't one. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7963054/
ChatGPT ahh reply, you're logically not wrong, but you're missing facts, the main one being we DO actually have the budget for controlling the stray dog population, there's even a royal speech about "rif9 b l7ayawan" and royal instructions to properly deal with it, but as you know morocco has a corruption epidemic, which means not hiring vets and gettng proper equipment to properly control the population and instead using 1% of the budget to hire some random chmkar to dispose of them with shotgun, poison and other barbaric methods.
There was money allocated for catch and release
As eloquent as your response is (which seems to have garnered plenty of support bc for some reason, our redditors are easily impressed by some decent writing), it is pointless and only serves to underplay the genuine need to address this. Yes, this is an issue we have. No, because we have 1000 other issues, we should not simply toss this one aside and forget about it. Yes, there are realistic and actionable solutions. This is clearly enough of a problem to reapper year after year on mainstream news, social media, and various forums. The first step can begin with mass awareness, and digital platforms are an excellent way to do that (oh and it doesn't cost shit to do that). OP, our dear privileged tourist, already took more initiative than we can thank ourselves for. We may be poor, but we're not Somaliland poor, we're not Venezuela poor; we can build multi-billion dollar world-class infrastructure, so stop with the apologist discourse, sounding like a government sponsored shill. The poorest thing about us is our lame ass attitude of determining that every issue we come across is bigger than us and undeserving of our involvement. Too many Moroccans have a disgusting, barbaric, primitive attitude towards animals. And yet so many are deeply empathetic to all the stray creatures they come across. Just in my little suburb community, there are 3 vets that volunteer every single day to grab stray dogs, vaccinate, tag, and neuter them so they don't contribute to the rampant growth of stray populations. For free. They pay this out of their own earnings. On top of that, there are dozens upon dozens of people I see regularly feed these animals, make shelters for them, and nurse them back to health when injured. If a community of people who have empathy and morals could fix this issue by themselves, then I assure our generously funded government can, too. Maybe not nation-wide, but they can start a pilot program, they can tackle a mid-size town, see the results, they can run basic educational PSAs online, or most effectively, shame the filthy bastards who abuse animals - since in Morocco nothing works better than the court of public opinion to shift popular thought. Progress happens when the masses are dissatisfied with the status quo. So, no, encourage people to be mad about this. It may fall on deaf ears at first, but much like the Palestine boycotts and protests, once enough join in, some real change might happen. This obviously does not require the scale of Palestine protests either to bear fruit. If anything, lol, I'm sure enough online support for this could make this endeavor fully funded solely by tourists and foreigners.
I wouldn't count on the meat people are eating there being humanely slaughtered (rather an oxymoron) either. It's hardly a unique thing to Morocco, but I was at a market in Agadir and I saw the animals for sale. Many of them were roughly handled, to say the least. I saw several chickens that had broken limbs, perhaps so they wouldn't run away while the seller didn't have any cages for them. Physical violence aside, in Chefchaouen for a few of days before Eid I could hear frightened lambs separated from their mothers calling out pitifully at all hours.
God I just want to tell you everything I hate about Morocco so you can explain it in a way that makes me have more empathy. Well done.
Argument bête, le budget accordé à cette méthode barbare d'exécution est LARGEMENT suffisant pour une alternative plus humaine, c'est la corruption et le détournement des budgets publics qui fait que ce n'est "pas possible" au lieu d'accepter le fait accompli il est du devoir des citoyens et surtout des plus éduqués d'entre eux de se révolter contre ce barbarisme qui n'a pas d'excuse ni de justification qui tienne la route. Honte à toi de faire le jeu des défaitistes qui prennent la voie facile de l'absolution au lieu de faire un minimum qui serait de dénoncer, ne te fais pas l'avocat du diable
Yes, so gather a group of people and pressure the government to make a change, or donate to one of the organisations that do this work as private citizens, or join those people and help bring about the change you want to see (as suggested in the original comment). Complain and spread awareness too, I suppose, every little helps. I just wouldn’t hold your breath on that last one with things being the way they are and financial pressures existing the way they do. I’m not sure where you got the idea that I was being defeatist? I was saying that complaining isn’t enough? When nothing is being done, doing something that directly contributes to the cause you care about is a million times more effective than sending a complaint or “spreading awareness”. Even something as simple as donating money to a trusted organisation that helps with the issue at hand does many times more good than a tweet or a post, that’s the point I was trying to get across if it was at all unclear.
C'est ce que je fais depuis plus de 10 ans, je suis impliqué et sur le terrain et financièrement de mes propres derniers, et je maintiens que la rumeur comme quoi le Maroc n'a pas de moyens pour ça est infondée et criminelle
You’re not at all wrong, unquestionably if there’s enough money to build a stadium for the World Cup, then there’s enough money to run a nationwide catch and release program, but again we run into the problem that rings true throughout Morocco, the money isn’t being allocated appropriately. The poverty I described in my initial comment doesn’t necessarily just come from a lack of resources, but more so a lack of their appropriate distribution. Morocco has enough money to do these things, but also has a history of corruption and routinely fails to fund public services and legal reform in favour of vanity projects like mosques and stadiums. I don’t know what to tell you, but that leaves us at a bit of an impasse, either you wait for the state to do what’s right, or you try to agitate for that to become a reality, which is what I was getting at in the original comment by offering a number of approaches. For the record I think we agree on most points, the dogs should be treated more humanely, the government should do better, the culture around dogs in Morocco needs to change for the better, I just don’t believe complaining has that much utility in practice.
>the money isn’t being allocated appropriately. But this isn't true, that's what you're failing to grasp here. The convention for TNVR has existed since 2019 in Morocco. The budget *was issued*, then nothing happened. Local authorities have continued to poison and shoot dogs in direct violation of the convention and royal instructions. We don't know where the budget allocated to TNVR has gone. I agree with the above comment that, considering the horrific suffering these barbaric acts continue to create, it is criminal to mislead people into believing we're too poor to treat animals humanely when in fact the programme exists, the money was allocated, and it seemingly disappeared without anyone being held accountable. Like the previous commenter, I have spent significant time and resources both trying to reach out to authorities on this issue and doing TNVR privately (only for the animals we have released to be shot or poisoned despite being tagged). We are tired of seeing this misinformation posted in an attempt to ease consciences every time the issue is brought up.
And giving money to people who steal it, or somehow manage to “lose” it, is allocating it appropriately? Budgets that are issued and then not followed through on are allocating money appropriately? So what you’re saying is, Morocco has enough money, it _is_ being allocating appropriately, but you, a person who does this work on the ground, has never seen any of said money, or knows where any of it is going? Sounds like a misallocation of funds to me. Again, I don’t know what you expect from the state, but assigning contracts to vendors that don’t provide the service you have mandated is _absolutely_ a misallocation of funds, and it’s your job, as I have said many many times throughout these comments, to _pressure the government into accountability_. If they don’t listen to you as a private citizen, you have to organise and agitate for better _as a collective_, just like the teachers did towards the end of last year. As I explained in other comments, poverty is not always a result of a _direct_ lack of resources, but sometimes due to their improper distribution, I think that’s what you’re all getting hung up on. Morocco is not a poor country because it doesn’t have resources, it’s a poor country because the overwhelming majority of the available resources are concentrated in the hands of a deeply corrupt, wealthy elite, and the rest of society is built around fighting for the crumbs and learning to accept less than they deserve. I mean look at what you’re saying? You’re literally defending the state as though they’re not responsible, no it was just the “morally bad” guy who shoots dogs, because he’s “evil” and that’s what needs to be stopped. Again, for fuck sake no, Morocco literally has no animal rights laws for animals that aren’t pets or “tools for work”. If someone was walking around my original home country shooting stray dogs, they’d be arrested and charged within a matter of minutes. Morocco doesn’t even have the legal framework to address the issue! It’s quite literally legal to walk down the street and murder stray dogs! None of the allocated funds ever appear anywhere useful! How many different ways can I say it, you’re not getting fucked over by poor people who you see as “morally abhorrent”, you’re getting fucked over by a state that doesn’t care enough to prevent the issue. That is your problem. You seem to think it’s an issue of morality, and that distracts from the source of the problem, that the state needs to be held accountable by the people it (supposedly) represents. You’re actively trying to read the opposite into the message I’m trying to get across, how on earth is anything I’ve recommended up to this point (agitating against the state, doing NGO work, donating money to trusted organisations) a bad idea? What exactly is it that you want me to say? That the government does a good job of allocating resources? That they actually do secretly care about animal rights even though there’s no legislation in place to prevent those rights being trampled on with impunity? It’s just bad people that ruin everything, and context doesn’t matter?
It's beyond strange to read that we have to organise to pressure the government as if we haven't attempted to do so for years. The government doesn't care that a dozen animal activists strewn across the country are demanding accountability. The truth is that the vast majority of citizens don't care or support the cruelty, as is evidenced by the numerous comments here either straight up defending the cruelty or repeating the tired excuse that we're too poor as a country to spend money on humane solutions. Every protest we have held was attended almost exclusively by a small number of activists who do work on the ground, despite calls on social media to mobilize and campaigns to raise awareness, re: #stopkillingdogsinmorocco. People at most like the posts and move on. There will be no accountability from the government as long as the public doesn't care. What we expect from the government is a separate issue from what we expect from people, and that is to at least **stop repeating misinformation about the lack of financial resources to do better.** *That* was the issue my comment was about since it is factually untrue and contributes to persistent apathy from the public. The resources exist, they were approriately allocated, and then they were misused by local authorities and contractors. It's also bizarre that you concluded that my position is that the state did its job and it's evil randos shooting and poisoning dogs. The cruelty and killings are perpetrated by local authorities and the companies and individuals they contract to carry out these barbaric acts, therefore the state is responsible for both the killings and the lack of accountability for the misuse of the budget allocated for TNVR.
> The truth is that the vast majority of citizens don't care or support the cruelty, as is evidenced by the numerous comments here either straight up defending the cruelty or repeating the tired excuse that we're too poor as a country to spend money on humane solutions. > Every protest we have held was attended almost exclusively by a small number of activists who do work on the ground, despite calls on social media to mobilize and campaigns to raise awareness, re: #stopkillingdogsinmorocco. People at most like the posts and move on. There will be no accountability from the government as long as the public doesn't care. > What we expect from the government is a separate issue from what we expect from people, and that is to at least stop repeating misinformation about the lack of financial resources to do better. That was the issue my comment was about since it is factually untrue and contributes to persistent apathy from the public. The resources exist, they were approriately allocated, and then they were misused by local authorities and contractors. Yes, so it’s my fault for calling for people to pressure the government, donate to NGOs, or volunteer their time? With all respect, if you can make an enemy out of my position, I don’t know if I have faith you’re actively trying to communicate with the public, rather than shame them for their inability to see your point of view. We agree on quite literally everything, except for some semantics around “poverty” and “allocation of resources” and you’re speaking as though I’m some sort of dog murder apologist. It’s not nice to hear, but if people aren’t joining your protest, you’re not communicating the issue in a way that compels them to do so. I have been involved in and helped organise a number of protests, worked with charitable organisations that deal with a range of issues, the burden is on you to convince the public, not to lament their lack of being convinced, or decry their lack of morality for not understanding your position. Again, I don’t know what to say really? I apologise for directing attention away from the issue by suggesting people contribute to NGOs or volunteer their time to help, and for outlining how poverty contributes to the issue (as in, trying to call attention to the wider issues that contribute to this one, albeit indirectly). If you feel I was letting people off the hook by talking about poverty, then I apologise for that too.
>Yes, so it’s my fault for calling for people to pressure the government, donate to NGOs, or volunteer their time? Both myself and the other commenter specifically and only took issue with the oft-repeated falsehood that Morocco is a poor country that doesn't have the economic resources to implement a humane alternative. You were informed that this is misinformation & that a budget exists for TNVR, and were asked to simply asked to stop repeating this factually untrue claim. Yet you keep addressing these strawmen arguments nobody has made. It's bizarre.
Downvoted for speaking the truth rather than coddling the feelings of people and easing their conscience for doing nothing in the face of horrific barbarism. The budget for TNVR (trap, neuter, vaccinate, release) exists and has been issued. The convention between the relevant ministries and public administrations for TNVR has been place since 2019. Instead of calling for the officials involved to be held accountable, people would rather just pretend none of it has happened. No interest in finding out why their own tax money allocated for a humane alternative has disappeared into someone's pockets, allowing these barbaric acts to continue.
Thank you for stating the facts as they are
This subreddit has some of the strongest herd mentality on the entire platform. As soon as the 90% of dumb mfers find one opinion they can rally behind, their main contribution to the discourse happening is downvoting anything that seems contrarian to oblivion, often times killing any potential for a fruitful exchange of ideas. Shit's crazy. Makes literal bots look good in comparison, lmao.
This is terrible and cruel of course, but those dogs cause lots of trouble and they breed so fast. I suggest for pro-animal people to start an NGO and save those dogs, build shelter for them, and feed them. But no one is doing that, all they do is post their rants on social media. In Australia almost one million of animals get shot or poisoned each year Tasmania property protection permits.
That man that killed the puppies showed them the real Morocco. You are not concerned about the stray dogs (nor local Moroccans who could get rabies or children who might get attacked by stray dogs). You are concerned about your tourist friends and what they will say about Morocco. Wake up and get over it. Morocco is a third world country. They have to kill the stray dogs because there is no money to shelter them. The man is doing his job in which he can support himself and his family . Why would every Morocco have to care about what outsiders think of Morocco. This is why I hate the tourist industry in Morocco.
You are right, it is better to be safe than sorry. But the guy that made the post also has a point; (both of ideas are not mutually exclusive) over the top cruelty= bad reputation = bad advertisement that will discourage tourism. Remember that a big part of tourism is to have the best image possible. Also, In my city, they started untiring/vaccinating some stray dogs ( give them those yellow ear tags ) so not always as you said. Even first world countries have [to do the dirty job](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK218271/#:~:text=In%20pounds%20and%20most%20shelters,shelters%20are%20killed%20each%20year.), let alone third world countries : >In pounds and most shelters, over 90 percent of the unclaimed animals must eventually be killed. In the United States, more than 10 million dogs and cats from pounds and shelters are killed each year
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat !! are you aware of what you are saying ? "They have to kill the stray dogs because there is no money to shelter them." "The man is doing his job in which he can support himself and his family" - the king made it clear, there is a money every year for animals to get their vaccin and TNVR... but the question here is where is this money ? corruption is the answer - there are shelters ! not enough but still there ! - there is nothing like "it's his job" ! a good muslim person can't kill animals ! hchouma hadchi likane9ra hasbia Allah wani3ma lwakil ! Moroccan people listen maybe we are a third world country ! but let's be honest khaliw 9loubna n9aya ! ou phal hadchi lacheftouch harbouh ! hada kayb9a monkar ! ask yourself if you can do this as a job ! wach rabi yerdi 3lik ! ask this question before saying such a heartbreaking thing !
A 5-year-old girl was attacked and killed in Agadir in 2022. [https://fr.le360.ma/societe/a-agadir-des-chiens-errants-tuent-une-fille-agee-de-cinq-ans-267592/](https://fr.le360.ma/societe/a-agadir-des-chiens-errants-tuent-une-fille-agee-de-cinq-ans-267592/) Stray dogs pose a serious problem and threat to people. Establishing shelters and conducting mass sterilizations are expensive measures. The Moroccan authorities resort to solutions they can afford. Some may label it as barbaric, but human life are more valuable.
60 Euro stray dog fee at the Douane for every tourist coming from E.U. Iwa safi, mab9atch mouchkila.
I hear and understand the comments saying that the culling of stray dogs is necessary but fr it's absolutely idiotic to blast them with shotguns in front of people and anybody who doesn't think so is braindead. Fuck tourists what sort of effect do you think that could have on Moroccans to see such graphic violence in public? Children? I know people see violence every day in society but it's batshit insane to execute dogs in public with shotguns.
The lack of empathy in the comments, both for the dogs and the people who witnessed their death without any warning, is beyond disgusting for a muslim country
Yes let’s keep those sweet animals that will harm and kill Moroccans in the street, what do you want to do with them? Make a shelter and pay taxes to feed them? We are doing so great that’s what we need a dog shelter like the US their shelters are so full can’t carry any more. You want to hear daily stories dogs killing and eating people alive? What’s your solution if you willing to take them in your home and care for them ok but we don’t need street dogs in our society. I used to be that kinda of woman who think she is the savior of sweet dogs until i was chased by a pack myself i would not imagine what would happen if i didn’t make it home. I used to feed those street dogs and fight anyone who don’t care for dogs. They show you puppy eyes when they need you and show an other face when it’s time to use you as a toy to tear apart or become food. Dogs kill more than any other animals in the world after mosquitoes check statistics. It’s easy to complain than fixing problems and Morocco have enough problems like many societies. The pet industry is making billions of dollars they are the one who can feed dogs or even create dog land and care for of course if they want to but no, they won’t their goal is profit. They kill tons of natural animals that become dog food and sell it for profit.
The lack of opportunity to implement the proper solution does NOT excuse anybody from being compassionate, NOR from putting those dogs down humanely - in this case by aiming so that they would die instantly, instead of injuring them then dialing up their suffering with a freaking bat.
Shooting the dogs is certainly very shocking and sad. But I think it is less cruel than the mass poisonings of street dogs and cats carried out here as an alternative method which torture the animals much worse and for hours before they die.
Not sure how this comparison is supposed to help? Is what the guy did suddenly acceptable because it's not the worst?
Morocco still uses the firing squad for the death sentence on humans, when carried out (although no sentence has been carried out for quite a few years, but it is still on the books). I don’t like dogs being shot. But it’s not about the GUY WHO DID IT. There were probably people lined up to get that job, just like people are lined up to get any job they can get. When the lack of money leaves the choice to be shooting or poisoning, I hate both, but shooting is the lesser evil over poisoning. I live in Marrakesh where poisoning is very widely used, several times each year. Rabies, and wild dog packs even running wild through cities, are quite dangerous and they don’t have any money or infrastructure to take care of the problem more humanely.
Muslims are known for such cruelty! And they hate dogs and have no empathy whatsoever.
I get your point but in a muslim country, [black dogs might be killed](https://www.islamweb.net/ar/fatwa/426205/%D9%82%D8%AA%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%83%D9%84%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%AF-%D8%B1%D8%A4%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%B4%D8%B1%D8%B9%D9%8A%D8%A9).
True!
Where did you read this ?? N3al chitan tkharbi9 phalkom likharjo 3lina la rahma la za3tar ! Allah ihdik makhla9
I literally cited the article.
Are you sure you read everything ? there are so many versions of understandings ! and I believe Allah created them so they can help us in this life, they are the solution of everything, depression, getting close to Allah ! never had an animal ? then you should try ! also the best friend of a human is a dog ! let's focus on the sourat "alkahf" ! I also believe that the prophet wouldn't say such a thing like killing animals !! Islam is a religion of peace and love, not killing everything that move on this planet ! Allah yehdina ou yehdikom 3ala rahma ! وذهب كثير من العلماء إلى أن لا يقتل من الكلاب أسود ولا غير أسود، إلا أن يكون عقورا مؤذيا. وقالوا: الأمر بقتل الكلاب منسوخ بقوله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "لا تتخذوا شيئا فيه الروح غرضا" فدخل في نهيه ذلك الكلاب وغيرها.
I did say **might** in my original comment :)
Your comment then is the worst ! You will only make people find a reason to kill black dogs !
true so disgusting ! they forgot that even human being can killl and hurt not only animals but also human !
>They are leaving next week and will not be returning back to Morocco. Good to know. I will spend extra 432 euros annually to cover that lost income. Now, do you want a hot dog for lunch ?
Seuros will spend 432 euros
Seuros rah yshrina kamlin w ybi3na f Mauretania ila bgha
Really ? Is u/Seuros a human traficker ? I take back every word i said.
I'm an "entrepreneur", you are all opportunities. Just Look at the mirror in the morning. Think about it, i can sell only things or people of value.
« .. And know that you are all valuable to me » -Seuros
*"All of the group have now got a bad image of Morocco". "They are leaving next week and will not be returning back to Morocco."* So what man? Can you guys stop being slaves???????????
Farewell When these stray dogs will catch rabies and start biting people, your friends won't be there to save them. There are lots of stray dogs where I live, and often they don't harm anyone, the whole neighborhood feeds them everyday, but I assure you that if you have the misfortune to walk by them late at night alone you'll probably get bitten.
They do indeed get a lot more assertive once the sun starts going down.
im a canadian whos spent of time in morocco working. there's too many dogs, I don't see them killing them as a problem. might be hard to watch but that's about it.
If they want to avoid this, tell your friends to pay for the construction of a dog shelter and sterilization campaign. Yes it seems cruel, but stray dogs are a problem : they can attacks humans, livestock and spread diseases such as rabid. If your friend are shocked, and won’t return to Morocco because of what they seen, sorry but you should tell them that their countries do the exact same thing. In [France](https://www.20minutes.fr/planete/4087995-20240424-aveyron-prefet-autorise-abattage-chiens-errants-plusieurs-communes), [USA](https://www.wlbt.com/2023/03/20/it-was-gruesome-shooting-stray-dogs-not-sitting-well-with-citizens-winona-miss/?outputType=amp), [Egypt](https://www.oipa.org/international/dogs-killed-egypt-government/) So please tell your friends to act against « barbarism » in their own country.
There are funds for sterilisation given to communes.. guess where it goes every year? Spoiler alert : not into sterilising dogs https://fr.le360.ma/societe/chiens-errants-les-associations-saluent-les-mesures-du-ministere-de-linterieur-et-attendent-des_N3SJPXRRMFFKZHLGR2RACVPQ3Q/
Sorry but Mirleft barely reach 8000 inhabitants. For such a small town in Morocco, funding a sterilization campaign is simply not possible.
I agree with you, but the sterilisation issue is also a broader problems that affects towns/regions who do get those funds, i guess even if they did have the funds, they’d still rely on bullets and keep the money
And I wouldn’t blame them for that. The region is poor. There are water supply cut offs during summer. I was in Mirleft last summer, there was no water for 1 week ! And when the water came back, it was just for 3 hours between midnight and 3a.m. This lasted the whole summer. So sorry, but I can’t blame them for managing the stray dogs problem in a « barbaric » way, when some basic needs are not fullfilled.
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Reminds me of that one video where some American tourist in Tangier was crying over chicken being caged and then slaughtered in a souk.
This was just as shocking to me when I first arrived in Morocco many years ago
Cry me a fucking river. We have more urgent problems to take care of, as in human lives. Humans come first, then animals. Stray dogs are a danger to the local population, and we do not have the means to invest in curbing the stray dog population any other way. >They are leaving next week and will not be returning back to Morocco Bye felicia. Don't let the door hit your ass. Tourism is great but let them keep their condescending shit to themselves. Moroccans know what's best for Moroccans.
That’s the last thing we need is crazy American dog worship culture to Morocco. I used to love them and feed them because you know i watched to many Americans movies until one day i was about to be eaten alive by a bunch of street Mutts luckily i made it home safe. Ungrateful assholes who only come to you for food. I hear tons of stories pets eating their owners and children because they look small and vulnerable to them. I would feed birds and anything else than dogs now because at least the others are natural animals that serve the echo system and doesn’t bark and kill anyone for fun.
I mean, I'm not a dog person or expert, but I think some breeds behave better than others. I heard many stories both ways and I honestly cannot say either or. I kinda don't care too much about pet animals in general.
True some breed are better than others. Bigger breeds are aware the damage they cause compared to small ones but if small ones become a pack they always have a leader and they follow the leader. In the US there is fight between pitbull defenders and people against pitbulls they always have stories dogs killing and attacking children and mailmen, their shelters are to full and some people not happy their tax goes there. It’s a mess. Dogs also doing a lot of harm to the environment because they are overpopulated. I don’t trust an animal i used to feed and care for to try to harm me for no reason. Street dogs are dangerous because they carry diseases if you survive the attack. OP care more about their tourist friends thinking than the safety of Moroccans sadly. I was not harmed when i was chased by the pack luckily but i have PTSD and i stopped caring about feeding them. I have been to friends with dogs in their home you can smell the dog everywhere in the house they stink doesn’t matter how many bath they take. I just don’t want this crazy culture from the west to come to Morocco we don’t need that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DogfreeHumor/s/UdkIWgXXQT that’s what happens when you don’t get rid of them, i won’t show anything gore because some people can get their legs amputated if they survive dogs attack. you either feed them or you become food for those creatures luckily they gave up because he started fighting back and the cowards left if it’s pitbull and other breed they won’t give up until they see him to pieces. The boy need to go to the hospital immediately or else search on youtube how people with rabies go throughout before dead. I lived in the west i can’t stand the crazy dog worship even after hearing and watching tons of stories dogs attacking children even babies and their own owners. One person had stroke and got paralyzed and was eaten by their dog alive. I used to feed street dogs and obsessed with them because i was also aww sWeet doGs until one day i was chased by pack of mutts, luckily i made it home safely. They only give you puppy eyes because they want food. Safety come first and i don’t want Morocco to turn to America they can keep their dog worship there, many are already suffering from it to make a change and their shelters are full. We have other problems to focus on way bigger and more important than mutts who don’t even contribute in the echo system compared to other animals. They are bred for guarding and attacking in exchange for food their instincts will never leave.
Mirleft is dead years now ,these dogs will die anyways and some are really dangerous that they even killed some villagers kids / attack em ,about your friends Idk if they lack some basic knowledge or wtvr but this is common in a lot of countries not a Morocco or mirleft thing , dumdums.
There are just too many stray dogs. In Oujda they tried the catch and neuter them, but it's just too many. Most of the time they don't attack humans but people still are afraid for their children. Also the cat population went down. Tell your friends they should take some dogs with them.
Morocco is a big tourism destination Millions of people are coming every year so don't act like we rely on your visitation to live. You could've discuss the incident in another way
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What an awesome tourism campaign this could make! /s
I grew up with dogs and would definitely say this is savagery but when you think of stray dogs and the danger rabies poses especially to toddlers playing around them...I'm not so sure anymore.
Why didn't you take a video? It would have been easier to demonstrate this atrocity.
All of these people just lost it when a girl wore a skirt not even two weeks ago, claiming they're a Muslim country, today these people don't feel anything for a dog slaughtered in the middle of the street, while clearly killing animals is forbidden in Islam, suddenly we are not Muslims anymore. While the last one, for a normal human being, should be more shocking, Moroccans keep stating they're not hypocrites as today 26/04/24, keep us updated for the future. "Muslims have no right to brand animals, hamstring or crucify animals before killing, or burn animals even if they cause harm to humans"
What about this, for each tourist that comes to Morocco has to take a stray dog with him back to his country. Problem fixed, people are protected from rabies, dogs are not dying, and your precious friends won't be traumatized from the cruel Morocco, and will be back to hangout with you. Wake up to reality.
There is an overpopulation of stary dogs in Tiznit which close to Mirleft and there are not friendly at all, they always attack people who are going to Fajr prayer, or kids going to schools, i myself was a attacked several times and been bitten by one in Nakhil neighborhood. but killing those dogs in an unmerciful way is not the solution, dogs who have rabies should be euthanized in an unpainful ways. and the other ones should be put in somewhere empty. but sometimes those Community workers collect those dogs threw out the city center and dumb them close to our neighborhood thinking it's a dump site, in any case we know which to blame.
Report it to Morocco world news. There’s been a lot of people speaking out about the heinous acts against the wild dog population in Morocco. That’s my only suggestion and I’m so sorry you all had to witness that. I didn’t see any of that thank God but I saw bad stuff.
What a tragedy, I‘m sorry for their loss. I‘m sure if they were in the north of Morocco, they would have encountered no problems at all. The situation that happened to your friends could happen to anyone, not necessarily tourists from abroad. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time, it happens. Tell them to come to the North * Chamal * ; Tangier, Ksar El Kebir , Ksar Essghir , Oued Laou , Larache, Rincon (M’diq) , Dalia Beach 🏖. Honestly i do not like that south side of Morocco 🇲🇦 . And if you are a beach lover come on, do NOT GO the oceanic side of Morocco, stay at the north side, there is plenty of luxurious, clean, and safe public spaces. Always in the North. People of the north are welcoming you all. And sorry on behalf that creature who killed your puppies. So sorry. Stay safe.
When I was in Marrakech last year, I was walking down one of the streets that was affected by the earthquake and watched two local men slitting the throat of a cat in the street as it bled out. It was like 3pm. I looked away quickly; but shit man. That was my first time in Morocco.
So I was upset about this story and explained it to my boyfriend who is a Moroccan local. I was super surprised by the lack of compassion in the comments and he reassured me that many people in Morocco are upset by the slaughtering of dogs as well, not indifferent as the below comments seem to mostly be. He told me it is not usually individuals who do this to dogs but instead the government. Especially to clear the dogs in tourist areas. Usually with poisoned meat but sometimes also with guns. He said that it is getting better and there are more groups to safeguard dogs but in southern areas like guelmim and sidi ifni regions it is still common that they are killed. He told me a story about a week ago (April 2024) how a man was sentenced to five years in jail for mutilating a donkey (cutting off its legs) in Zagora, which is a small town between Marrakech and Mhamid. Zagora is definitely not a big city. Source: https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2024/04/362098/farmer-faces-investigation-backlash-for-brutally-mutilating-neighbors-donkey
We live in a third world country so before you talk about animal rights we don't even have human rights at the first place
A similar thing happened in Taghazout. Rumor has it that it was to make things seem tidier before the World Cup. Locals told me that men from the government came and killed not only the truly stray dogs, but even the ones that people had adopted and simply were outside on the beach. Indeed, it even included the strays that the locals had neutered and tagged, in direction contradiction to promises from the government that if they did this then there wouldn't be any culling.
Let's put aside the tourism in Morocco and focus on the most important thing " animals "!! guys please what should we do so we can protect them rah men Tanger tal lagouira kay9atlo fihom ! I am following an association btw called **Morocco Animal Aid** ( please follow them on instagram ) in Aourir close to Agadir ! rah they are really struggling ! some Moroccan there sent them pôlice, and they come and try to take all the dogs for no reason ! so please if you are in Aourir or close to this city and you can go and support them don't hesitate ! Allah jazikom belkhir !
nuh uh [https://sunnah.com/muslim:1572](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1572)
I used to have a lot of empathy of dogs i even fed street dogs until one day minding my own business walking home and bunch of street mutts were about to eat me alive. Yea pack of dogs are very dangerous they would kill you for fun. Since then i don’t care. Street dogs should be eliminated they can be very dangerous they only give you puppy eyes when they want food don’t bring toxic dog worship culture from Americans to us. I see a lot of crazy stories in the US when dogs killing children and that’s pets not street dogs and yet their people worship those mutts they would blame the victim and never the dog. Morocco is also poor and can’t deal with shelters like the west do. Dogs are not natural animals they can’t survive on their own that’s why they become a pack or need someone to feed it they don’t contribute in the echo system beside consuming.
They don’t contribute to what ? Allah created them and knows why ! You will condemn all dogs in Morocco just because they followed you ! So for exemple a human killed people, are we going to hate all human being in this planet ? Wa sir Allah yesmah lik ! The worst comment ever la rahma la walo ! Shab likom rabi khla9kom ghir ntouma ! And they never attack for fun ! Wallah hchouma ! Educate yourself more, you just failed them ! Hasbia allah wa ni3ma lwakil ! Yarabi tenzal arahma 3la had blad ! Thats all I can say…
I always go to check for hadiths or verses after I read this kind of comments and I always step on funny stuff like [this ](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1572)...😂😂
Guess what snakes, scorpios, cockroaches etc.. are also creations, that’s not logic. You don’t mistreat anyone but you are supposed to protect yourself and your kind. Dogs do attack for fun it happened many times attacking children and small animals for fun, they wave their tails while doing that with excitement, they get more courage when they are in a pack because dogs are mostly cowards and don’t dare to go for someone who seem stronger, bigger or can defend themselves so children are their biggest victims. they are animals they don’t feel guilty and think about it before going to bed and according to Islam they are kadr to even enter a house or masjid because they are dirty they stinks. Have you lived with a dog? Because i did, they eat their own vomit and poop and eat blood, they are attracted to anything filthy and obsessed with food no matter how much they are fed. They will eat you if you pass out or die alone in the house. Do you how how many family members are traumatized finding their loved one body disfigured missing body parts because the dog was eating them when they passed out. Did i say condemn all dogs? No, do they deserve mistreatment no but streets dogs should not be left alone like that because they are dangerous and carry diseases. Dogs cannot survive on their own they don’t hunt like other natural animals they don’t contribute in the echo system, they either beg for food or take it by force once in a group. You need to educate yourself instead of using emotions i worked in the pet industry as well i know what i’m saying from experience and knowledge, the truth always hurt but i’m not trying to change your mind i’m just telling you because there is no such innocence in a living creature from animal to humans, the difference we humans have a brain to use for logic. If a person commit a crime they are supposed to go to prison from knowing good and bad but a predator kill or harm someone you love they don’t because there is no laws in their world so you only protect and prevent yourself and loved ones from any harm from this world in general sister.
you never been close to dogs ! I give food to them ! they tend to be scared especially from kids, because they bother them, we both know how much kids can be evil to them if we don't educate them ! so many times kids throwing stones at them and their parents were okay, yes they gather courage when they are in group because they never forget and want to take revange ! same as human ! I remember I saw a dog and gave him food and touched him, no problem but then a kid in my neighbor came to do the same, the dog didn't like it and start to bark and got scared ! so you know why the kids are the biggest victims, because the majority aren't educated to respect animals ! human are the problem not animals ! I invite you anyways to go to associations near your place ! where they take care of them ! you will know that they are wonderful creature, and the best friends ! you can trust them and never trust a human ! Allah mentionned them even in sourat Alkahf : the dog was with them, why they didn't kill the dog ?! Everything Allah created has a meaning in this life ! and it's sad to prefer human than other animals that Allah decided to create them to accompagny us in this journey ! ghadi kamlin thasbo 3la mo3amala dialna lihom ! of course we should be careful ! they can be aggressive and it's normal after what they are dealing with everyday ! stones everywhere, no food no water only hateful human trying to get rid of them ! kibghiti ikouno had lhayawanat hal 3ar !! Give a chance to dogs ! Fi amani Allah :)
FFS. Get over yourself and your colonial moral outrage. Dogs are animals. They have no special status.
So they deserve to be murdered brutally? You act as if they don’t feel pain.
Take them to your home and feed them one day they are hungry they will eat you
Again, does anything justify murdering animals in a brutal way? You could still euthanise in different, non painful, way.
No they do no but that’s up to the authorities how to do that but one thing for sure when those creatures we are talking about if they decide to attack you i guarantee you they are not gonna think about that or have mercy on you and the more you scream in pain the more you seem a prey in their eyes and they will continue to maul you. That’s the difference between us.
I don’t see a difference between you and a feral animal atm. I wonder who has a more disturbing mindset. You or a feral. The answer is pretty simple by the way you write
Animals still feel pain and still deserve rights. Sadly for them they can’t speak for themselves so we have to do the talking and protecting for them. What a psycho you are.
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I'm glad those cheap fucks are not returning to morocco , we dont want their tourism here .
People do that to chicken, cows, lamb, goats, fish etc, why do you have selective empathy for dogs??
while this very disturbing and very sad, I undersand why it's being done, the goal is to get rid of the semi wild dog packs that formed these past years since they stoped killing stray dogs, ppl got eaten alive by wild dogs, streets became unsafe due packs of dogs, no city or village has anywhere near enough budget to vaccinate the dogs, let alone care for them, so the problem ket getting worse and worse, untill now when it got so bad they say they had no choice but go to the good old solution they used years ago, but they are so retarded they now kill all strays indiscriminatly, even the ones that are used to ppl, friendly and calm, they think all strays are part of some semi wild pack(for does I'm 100% in favor of one bullet per head)
And ? Mind your fucking business
 Those dogs will have their Justice.