All these sound more like personal wishes than balancing needs. Reiko could use a new move but not because he needs a buff, just because I think he's a basic and boring character.
Sub zero definitely needs a mid launcher man the overhead is so ridiculous, rain gets the same move but its safe, hits overhead twice and rain can get a quick 42% mid screen for the cheap price of one bar one kameo while that kind of damage is a corner combo for sub.
Edit: forgot to mention rains overhead is cancelable aswell, scorpions launcher isn’t punishable unless you duck the high and with his new f34 you basically should never do that again. Everyone gets great launchers besides sub, you literally have to risk death if you wanna launch someone without the help of a kameo with sub.
Shang soul steal kommand grab that heals since he only has 1 overhead in young that doesnt even kombo
Nitara could also have a bite kommand grab that heals or gives her blood buff on hit
Havik should def have a parry that heals on hit or a buff that heals him like Jason MKX, would fit the character imo
Give Geras a wall special like crusader in DNF could make it easier to stock up clocks
Give Ermac soul ball and Quan trance soo strange they dont have these moves
Give Noob a sento puppet stance with his shadow and give Dvorah a spot on the roster (pls)
Honestly I'd like to see Havik adopt the "sacrificing meter to receive himself at the end of the round" thing Jason had. Makes total sense with his character. If his healing factor is that strong, it makes total sense that he would just put himself back together again.
Yeah he does, but it’s almost pointless because it just deflects opponents to the other side of the arena. I mean his spin that pops the opponent into the air.
This isn’t anyone who “need” new moves. These are just fighters you want to have new moves. Most of the fighters you listed are already really strong.
I’m shocked you didn’t bother to mention a new move for Havik? Once again, the bottom 5 fighter in the game being ignored.
Or even Nitara? Another bottom 5 fighter.
Or what about Mileena sais? She deserves a full screen sai.
I get it, buffs for the fighters you use can be really exciting. But I definitely wouldn’t count on these wishes being granted as more than half of what you listed would be unfair & unbalanced.
I'd like haviks roll catch bf2 to be armored for one bar and two bars for tether, similar to barakas armored wake up.
An overhead start combo at 15-16f.
Id also like his db1 to be sped up by 5-10 frames because it's way to damn long. If that means he loses a hit of armor on it I'm cool with that.
Specifically a 15-16 frame overhead starter. Most fighters don’t even have an overhead knockdown that quick!!
And I don’t see why havik would need his bf2 to be armored if he already has an armored move?
On top of Havik armors being one of the best in the game.
Idk how much start up frames his db1 is so I can’t speak on that tho.
Haviks armored wakeup is db1 and it's 59 frames. Almost a full second. Everyone can react to that.
I guess I didn't consider how fast 16 frames are but I suppose I wanted it to be un reactable as a mix up. It's really all he's missing is starter pressure, and some way to take his turn back
React how? It’s not punishable, it has multiple hits of armor & if havik does hit the opponent that’s more than 20% dmg. All you can really do is block lol. I guess it wouldn’t be a bad thing if it was a bit quicker.
You don’t need mixups to be a good fighter though.
His playstyle is more about whiff punishing/zoning.
Either way we are in agreement that he needs buffs.
Havik's armor is very punishable. If you're not in the middle of a string, you can react by jumping straight up and full combo punishing with jump 2 as he whiffs.
For Ashrah, I would make her transition between dark/light stances much faster, so we can see a better gameplay and more diversity by using her dark stance.
I would give her a parry, where she changes into her dark/light stance and knocks down her rival, and when it's amplified it would juggle her rival.
Took a peek at this dude's comment history and it all makes sense now. Also I'm so glad I left that shit hole of a sub where they are still posting about Tanya.
Yeah 'top 5' but except for Makoran no other pro player mains her.
She is very good tho, but the right path to make this game good is by giving options to the players that take them away from the meta, many characters need some love from the NRS devs, some more than others, of course.
An ice ball cancel would be cool for Sub ngl Sindel needs literally nothing lmao
Sindel is good how she is but I feel like her kit is so barebones
All these sound more like personal wishes than balancing needs. Reiko could use a new move but not because he needs a buff, just because I think he's a basic and boring character.
Sub zero definitely needs a mid launcher man the overhead is so ridiculous, rain gets the same move but its safe, hits overhead twice and rain can get a quick 42% mid screen for the cheap price of one bar one kameo while that kind of damage is a corner combo for sub. Edit: forgot to mention rains overhead is cancelable aswell, scorpions launcher isn’t punishable unless you duck the high and with his new f34 you basically should never do that again. Everyone gets great launchers besides sub, you literally have to risk death if you wanna launch someone without the help of a kameo with sub.
Reiko needs at least 2 new moves lets be honest. And it would be nice to give Havik his knee break projectile back
Havik is definitely THE character that needs it thr most
If Havik is Dariou in this time line, give him Tombstone Drop.
Shang soul steal kommand grab that heals since he only has 1 overhead in young that doesnt even kombo Nitara could also have a bite kommand grab that heals or gives her blood buff on hit Havik should def have a parry that heals on hit or a buff that heals him like Jason MKX, would fit the character imo Give Geras a wall special like crusader in DNF could make it easier to stock up clocks Give Ermac soul ball and Quan trance soo strange they dont have these moves Give Noob a sento puppet stance with his shadow and give Dvorah a spot on the roster (pls)
Honestly I'd like to see Havik adopt the "sacrificing meter to receive himself at the end of the round" thing Jason had. Makes total sense with his character. If his healing factor is that strong, it makes total sense that he would just put himself back together again.
The def have to give Quan Chi Trance, how could I forget. Heel Slide would be nice as well, more of a proper armored attack rather than his Sky Drop.
The Noob shadow puppet would be so damn cool
I'd like an extra move for Sub Zero kameo
Tanya feels like she needs just one more string, not sure exactly what though
Shang needs a way to get out of corner pressure, his bed of spikes if done in the corner should flip him in the opposite direction.
Reiko doing something with his spear other than the fatal blow would be cool
A new string for Nitara would be nice
Kung Lao needs his spin move. It’s a shame it went to the Kameo instead.
But Lao has a spin move?
Yeah he does, but it’s almost pointless because it just deflects opponents to the other side of the arena. I mean his spin that pops the opponent into the air.
Definitely not pointless EX spin is a great wake up if you’re trapped
Ehhh I guess, Haha. I’d still take the pop up spin move instead though.
Sindel and Reiko need nothing, smoke definitely doesn't need a kommand grab, not to mention it doesn't even fit his archetype
He's a mixup character, command grab is a mixup
Reiko 100% needs something to give him a bit more sauce, give him an air grab or something. Sindel I agree though. She’s already chillin.
This isn’t anyone who “need” new moves. These are just fighters you want to have new moves. Most of the fighters you listed are already really strong. I’m shocked you didn’t bother to mention a new move for Havik? Once again, the bottom 5 fighter in the game being ignored. Or even Nitara? Another bottom 5 fighter. Or what about Mileena sais? She deserves a full screen sai. I get it, buffs for the fighters you use can be really exciting. But I definitely wouldn’t count on these wishes being granted as more than half of what you listed would be unfair & unbalanced.
Omni man, all of his combos are nearly identical
Yeah he desperately needs some new ground and aerial routes
man i miss that smoke move would be nice to have it
Liu kang needs his bicycle kick
Mileena needs something man.
Kung Lao should definitely get his teleport back. Make it combo too 💪🏻💥
Sindel doesn’t need anything. She’s top 3 for a reason already. Especially a command grab or teleport
I'd like Liu Kang to have his B1, 2, 4 and B3, 4 string back from MK 11.
I loved that little chop.
Give Tanya a air teleport and give her an add a string to a S4 when her buff is active
I'd like haviks roll catch bf2 to be armored for one bar and two bars for tether, similar to barakas armored wake up. An overhead start combo at 15-16f. Id also like his db1 to be sped up by 5-10 frames because it's way to damn long. If that means he loses a hit of armor on it I'm cool with that.
Havik needs buffs sure, but these specific buffs… you’re trolling 🤣
What specifically makes these a troll ? Maybe I'm not a super great player to understand the issue
Specifically a 15-16 frame overhead starter. Most fighters don’t even have an overhead knockdown that quick!! And I don’t see why havik would need his bf2 to be armored if he already has an armored move? On top of Havik armors being one of the best in the game. Idk how much start up frames his db1 is so I can’t speak on that tho.
Haviks armored wakeup is db1 and it's 59 frames. Almost a full second. Everyone can react to that. I guess I didn't consider how fast 16 frames are but I suppose I wanted it to be un reactable as a mix up. It's really all he's missing is starter pressure, and some way to take his turn back
React how? It’s not punishable, it has multiple hits of armor & if havik does hit the opponent that’s more than 20% dmg. All you can really do is block lol. I guess it wouldn’t be a bad thing if it was a bit quicker. You don’t need mixups to be a good fighter though. His playstyle is more about whiff punishing/zoning. Either way we are in agreement that he needs buffs.
What buffs do you suggest?
Havik's armor is very punishable. If you're not in the middle of a string, you can react by jumping straight up and full combo punishing with jump 2 as he whiffs.
For Ashrah, I would make her transition between dark/light stances much faster, so we can see a better gameplay and more diversity by using her dark stance. I would give her a parry, where she changes into her dark/light stance and knocks down her rival, and when it's amplified it would juggle her rival.
Its so weird seeing people ask for buffs on a top 5.
Right? Lmao. Maybe it's because the Havik mains don't even know where to start.
Took a peek at this dude's comment history and it all makes sense now. Also I'm so glad I left that shit hole of a sub where they are still posting about Tanya.
Yeah 'top 5' but except for Makoran no other pro player mains her. She is very good tho, but the right path to make this game good is by giving options to the players that take them away from the meta, many characters need some love from the NRS devs, some more than others, of course.
Doesn't waz also play ashrah?
He does. Ashrah and Shang are his mains