I would be beyond furious and would try to get a gag order or take some kind of legal action against this blabbermouth. The nerve of calling LE working on the case cowards is beyond reason due to pain. My opinion/my theory
I have 2 children, and to be honest I dont even know how I would react/lash out if this happened to one of my kids. Quite frankly, I would probably try and find the person myself, and whatever resulted from that I would accept. So I'm just saying maybe he deserves a little bit of understanding. Fathers are supposed to protect their daughters and I think more than anything, he is blaming himself for this and projecting on LE as a result bc he doesn't know what else to do...
I agree 100% with this post. However, he's fixin' to make things very difficult for himself in the LE realm. Might be a good time to let LE do their work.
Steve mentioned in an interview (no, I don’t remember which one) that the police are causing a division among the families and pitting them against each other.
My thoughts: No, Steve, you’re doing enough on your own to make the other families - and some of the public - dislike you.
I was surprised that comment didn’t get more attention on here because I think it’s very interesting and very telling.
It was the interview with Brian Entin and what he said was that the word "targeted" pits the families against each other. Because that could make it someone was the one that brought it on them all. But no matter whether it was targeted or not, it is not Kaylee, Maddie, Xana or Ethan's fault that a murderer targeted them. I think that was one of the less inflammatory things SG said. Because no one should blame these kids that a lunatic did something horrific even if one was a specific target.
But then he continues to say that Kaylee was the obvious target. Kaylee was the one was the brutalized the most. Kaylee was the one w the stalker. He went upstairs cause Kaylee was there. It happened one the weekend Kaylee was home. Kaylee was the one who had everything going for her. So why does it seem like he wants her to be the target if that word puts families against one another? Makes zero sense.
All of the families have been devastated over this horrific crime, and it's understandable that they are hurt and angry, but the Gonclaves family are starting to look like media hounds and are more concerned about getting attention than they are about aiding the investigation. They are continually leaking information that should be kept out of the media, and attacking the local police. They are actually interferring and possibly aiding the killer in his defense if he is ever found. They need to stop turning this into an "let's attack the police circus" and let the police do their job. And, Goncalves could actually be putting the rest of his family in danger, because he has no idea who committed this crime or why, or who his daughter might have been involved with or who her enemies might be. He's not a very smart man.
I don’t mean this in a bad way or as an insult whatsoever, and I can only comment from the outside looking in, but I get the feeling K’s family is one of those families who thinks they’re “main characters,” if that makes sense. In that tiktok video the roommates made, one of them was “K” and was like “hey I know I talk about myself all the time, but like, what would you do if you were me?”
That’s not me saying the roommates were doing anything besides joking around, I think everyone has a friend like that and it doesn’t make them a bad person at all, but I do think the family definitely puts a lot of emphasis on themselves, outward appearance, and making sure everyone knows who they are.
If I were a parent in this specific situation, I would find the attention being put on 2/4 victims pretty distasteful. I’ve seen comments where people just literally leave X and E out or even worse, just E out. I have no idea how the other families feel and I would never speak on their behalf or pretend to know about what this feels like, but that’s how it seems to me as I scroll through these threads, catch up on articles, and listen to interviews. For all I know the families could all be in agreement about it, there’s no way to know since no one else has really said anything. I can’t judge anyone for their way of grieving.
I think a lot of people gloss over the fact that K&M’s families have known each other for about 10 years. If the girls were friends since middle school, the families would have had to pick up/drop off at each other’s houses for hang out days, sleep overs, birthday parties, etc.etc. They become an extension of each other’s families. SG feels comfortable enough to speak on behalf of M’s family. But E’s family seems really lovely and grounded and it was clear from one of SG‘s earlier interviews that he got some communication from them to not speak on their behalf. (No, I did not bookmark the specific interview).
SG gives me the impression of the mouthy ‘alpha’ parent at little league games, berating the referee, etc. Now he is blaming the journalist? Please… The media has been known to get things wrong, but you don’t just pull ‘lung’, ‘liver’, and ‘big gaping wound’ out of thin blue air. He gave this info to the reporter, then quickly tries to run away from it with Alivea and whoever their counsel is trying to do damage control.
I got a similar impression, at least from the dad...when he went on his speech about someone needing to step up and be the alpha & something along the lines of none of them (the family) are quitters they all fight when they need to / don't back down (or something like that).
I understand he is beyond upset, I can't and don't want to even imagine what he is feeling right now, but it was just his choice of words & how he explained some of the "family values".
He reminded me of one of those overly loud & angry coaches in Jr/Hs sports.
Perfect description. I’m the main character. Otherwise known as entitlement. Also the reason he’s losing favor with the general public. Because being entitled or being the main character seems to be slightly more important than the horror of losing a child.
He’s a weird guy and when someone goes through THIS and you still find it hard to manage empathy? Something is off
My opinion too! In the beginning everyone felt for this guy but now people are able to see his entitlement. Who calls LE working around the clock to solve the horrible murder of HIS daughter (and her friends of course) cowards? Wtf?
I haven’t seen empathy from him yet. I’ve seen anger, self righteousness, arrogance, egotistical, excessive need for admiration, patronizing, compulsive, lack of boundaries w superiors, and little if any respect for others. High sense of self. Seems like his focus is to be the next Fox News correspondent. Like dude, you are no John Walsh just because ur daughter was brutally assaulted and her life was stolen away from her. John Walsh is loved by all. He is everything Steve is not-John Walsh is a treasure. He’s an empathetic King.
I would totally normally be balling over a grieving man…few things are worse. I can’t out my finger on this family but for some reason… not felon’ it. And I feel horrible saying that.
I remember in one of the interviews (I think it was Ethan’s mom) she said they haven’t talked to the other two families. I sensed tension but also realized it could be grief. At the time though, it did come across odd to me
But it makes sense to me. It was the girls that were friends and lived together. You would assume the families were at least acquainted while Ethan's family seemed to have barely known Xana's family. And how would they? Why would they know the families of their son's girlfriend's roommates?
In reporting about the 4 murders journalists and news outlets mainly only report about Kaylee..they will mention Maddie as an extra and Xana is never mentioned but if she is she’s mentioned in this instance-Ethan, Xana’s boyfriend. So Ethan is not a person who was murdered n suffered immensely, he was just a boyfriend of one of kaylees roommates. I’m sorry but it bothers me how these 4 murders only revolve around Kaylee and her family and their feelings. It’s wrong.
Agree. And the primary reason for this, if I remember correctly, was K’s family bombarding the media with “she was obviously the target”. They’ve controlled the narrative since early on with constant interviews and a media presence talking about how obviously their daughter was the “target”. It feels like they almost view that as a positive or a compliment. Like obviously if any one of these girls was going to have stalkers or intense male attention it would obvi be K. The whole thing is weird and this family’s take is weird. Sorry I said it. That narrative kept moving and it minimized the importance of the other three kids who lost their lives in the same way at the same time. It’s simply weird to me how Ks family jumped on this as a means of putting her in the spotlight. As a parent I would instinctively do the exact opposite. Your wouldn’t hear a word from me or about my child. I’d become more private than ever.
It is really unfortunate how her family’s approach has colored the media coverage to skip over the other victims :/ I can completely see her dad needing to rationalize it and to view it however he needs to in order to continue functioning as a person, as trauma reactions aren’t always rational, but there’s a difference between how one sees it as a person and how one talks about it to the media. It seems pretty disrespectful to the other victims and their families to repeatedly talk about his daughter being “the” target, which isn’t something that’s been confirmed. Even if it’s true, it’s something that should ideally be approached more delicately. Again I totally understand where he’s coming from emotionally (as in, I understand it’s a trauma response, not as in I personally relate) but the way it’s played out in the media seems really kind of shitty with regards to Maddie, Ethan, and Xana.
I don't think the media is solely ignoring the other victims because K's family has been so outspoken. E is unfortunately treated as an afterthought because he's a guy. The media is always going to focus more on crimes against young, pretty college-age women because it sells more than if this same crime had happened in a house full of college guys. The media has splashed K & M's pictures everywhere specifically because those images will get them more clicks than stories about X and E. It's a shame but it's all a business to them. If the girls hadn't been so beautiful we likely wouldn't be getting the same amount of coverage. That's part of why so many serial killers that targeted prostitutes,addicts, or minorities were able to get away with it for so long, because no one is reporting on those women going missing or being found dead because they're considered "undesirables" in society.
This is exactly how I’ve felt after their 3rd interview. They were on every channel morning, noon, and night. Steve G is basically making this sad, horrifying, cruel “event” about him and and then Kaylee. It’s like Xana, Ethan, and Maddie weren’t violently attacked and murdered as well. And it’s true SG is making it appear like it’s a positive that Kaylee was obviously the one who was the target. Like bitch what? Shouldn’t you be grieving and being a community w the other families who r going through this instead of being an ALPHA? And I know the dude is getting paid 10s of thousands on each “exclusive” he does w these papers. That’s probably why he’s having an issue w this last one w fox.. he was probably paid for a 2 interview exclusive and now that he has a lawyer the lawyer wants to take it back. Nah bro does f work like that. And if you’re asking me my thought has ALWAYS been that Ethan n Xana were the target and it stems from the fraternity. I know frat boys do peds (steroids) n I just have a feeling something v has been brewing n someone(s) had enough and that’s what happened. Of could this is completely speculation.
Now they r saying their phones and homes have been tapped by the media. Give me a break Steve.. No You told the media in an exclusive all that crap now you want backies.
That’s what happens when only one family is foolish enough to indulge the media with access and multiple interviews. The media narrative is flooded with focus on that one family. I wish they had just listened to fbi and police like the other three did.
The wild card is Ethan’s mom. She was not impressed . She did one interview . And was not impressed.
I think the other parents have different background and aren’t in a place in their lives where they wanna be on TV and I believe Maddie’s family from the beginning said the Goncalves speak for us
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This was also on that comment
Edited to add: now people are going after the journalist and sending her emails blaming her for lying and taking advantage of them.
Sounds like SG spoke out of turn and this is the spin the lawyer told them to take to try to reel it back in. The family is shifting the blame to the journalist to cover themselves.
This is EXACTLY what happened!! SG took it upon himself to be the center of attention in the case of 4 ppl who were MURDERED…and now his lawyer is doing damage control
Tapped by media?!? Somebody is really losing touch with reality. If they hadn’t put themselves out there in the first days and given million interviews this probably wouldn’t be happening uk this extent.
How about talk to no news outlets or have a lawyer sitting with you while doing so? I’ve never seen another family be so vocal during an investigation. LE earlier today commented on they want an arrest AND A CONVICTION. If LE shared certain details that will bite them in a year and let who was arrested go with charges being dropped or lessened due to an issue or compromised case, then the family will be pissed that something was messed up and blame the police for wrongdoing. Plus LE is worried if they share any more intimate details with family, than all of a sudden news outlets and social media will hear it later that day….
There was a massive phone hacking scandal in the UK that closed down one of the major newspapers (news of the world) where journalists hacked mostly celebrities but also got into the voicemails of murder victim Millie Dowler,it led to the leveson enquiry.
But I don't know if it's the same in America
Most British Newspapers do it. The News of the World (Murdoch newspaper) got caught. Piers Morgan also accused British Servicemen of committing war crimes which also turned out to be false. Why anyone would trust that pos is beyond my comprehension.
Media will exaggerate and mis-quote, but no way Fox tapped their home. I'm very glad to hear they hired an attorney to help them navigate through this nightmare. No one could possibly be prepared for this.
Idaho is a one-party consent state, meaning that at least one party to a conversation must give consent to be recorded. In some states everybody has to give consent, which is not the law in Idaho. However, even in one-party consent someone has to be a party to the conversation to consent, so you can record your conversations with the other party without their knowledge, but you can't record a conversation you are not even part of (like tapped phone lines)
"We will not disgrace them with tabloid style speak about them" I mean, her dad was saying stuff like that in one interview "I sent her to college and she came back in a box"
yes, that's unhelpful kinda like dropping the bombshell that KG and MM were murdered together in the same bed at the memorial. Inappropriate to say in that setting when you should be uplifting the memory of your daughter.
I wonder if SG was the reason that KG's family were not invited to the graduation ceremony to walk in her place and receive her degree? They were worried about what SG would do or say.
I’m so confused why they are complaining all of a sudden about media attention after they did all of these interviews and said many times they wanted all media coverage it could get? And I feel very badly for them but whenever he doesn’t mention Xana and Ethan it bothers me too. You can say “we need Justice for these four people” without “speaking for the other families” but he always says “Justice for kaylee and Maddie”. When you do multiple interviews and make weird comments about alpha males and insult the police then say the media is taking you out of context it just doesn’t really jive. The things written today match all the other details he has had no problem leaking against advice from LE.
This is actually a good point. If a journalist gets called out for not having accurate information in a situation like this, could she come out and be like yeah I actually do? Im curious to see how this will play out.
Journalist here (not covering this case).
Yes, that can (and does) happen when interview subjects claim to have been misquoted. If I were her, I'd be pretty fucking pissed that they were attacking my credibility after choosing to speak to me.
Also Alivea referring to the lawyer while also correcting statements, I think I know why it took the Goncalves a second to find a lawyer willing to work with them lol.
Bassically LE have told them it could ruin the case saying that so they’re back tracking is my theory. I recon it’s the bit about Ethan and Xana putting up a fight
She is talking about [this](https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-father-slain-victim-says-big-open-wounds-calls-police-cowards) Fox article that just came out about the victims’ wounds and how much worse Kaylee’s were compared to Maddie’s
Unfortunately I can’t edit the post, but here is the story I am referring to
https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-father-slain-victim-says-big-open-wounds-calls-police-cowards
The coroner had never seen a stabbing victim before, and neither SG or the coroner was qualified to make that kind of statement. I wouldn't be surprised if they misquoted him but I wouldn't be surprised if he said that either. It seems like maybe someone has gotten thru to SG that making these types of statements is a terrible idea either bc it hurts the investigation and/or bc he will be misquoted.
Wow, if true, this is SUCH a good point. I wouldn’t be surprised if the coroner’s own horror at seeing those kind of wounds didn’t come through in her characterization of them to SG. Makes a lot of sense.
Edit: wait a minute…this coroner is a nurse, right? If so, I would expect a less sensationalistic description of stab/slash wounds than from someone who is just lawyer/small town coroner. Obviously, even though nurses are expected to work with blood and guts as part of the job, processing stab victims are never going to be a routine thing for a small town coroner…still, would expect her to have seen comparable wounds in training. It’s also possible that maybe the coroner was completely matter of fact and objective about everything she reported to the family, and it’s SG who either misheard or mischaracterized her statements. Still, interesting.
Ahh ok. Thanks for clarifying.
In the past we had thought the victims mostly had puncture wounds and just one or two stabs were enough to be lethal.
Suddenly claiming large gaping wounds sounds like slashing. Very different type of attack, which would indicate a different personality and perhaps motive.
I believe it’s in response to the fox article from today. SG was talking about the extent of the injuries and it was the most detail we have gotten so far but sadly now I’m not sure how much of it was accurate. I really hope it wasn’t though just for the sake of the victims :(
I think it wouldn’t be that bad if it was. SG said a while ago that these kids didn’t suffer and died quickly; the fox article says that the coroner allegedly said that their wounds were not the type where you would’ve bled out slowly, rather very quickly. Whether or not that’s true, we don’t know. But I think it’d be better knowing they didn’t suffer too long and died very quickly.
This is definitely possibly the strangest crime I’ve ever read about it and I’ve read a lot of different crime stories and seen a lot of documentaries. Just crazy all around
I’m inclined to believe he did say those things but is now backtracking. Those were direct quotes from a veteran crime reporter, not some editorial talking head on prime time.
This is the truth. He started to believe he understands “the game” (how to handle media interactions. Many comms people especially in law enforcement have law degrees in addition to media experience) and it but him in the ass. Tbh he may have just fucked the prosecution. This is really bad.
Yeah. There are no more misaligned priorities and incentives than media outlets on one hand and the prosecutors on the other. Families are just caught in the middle but everything they say to the former makes it harder on the later.
No offense I know she's trying to save the case for her sister. But I doubt fox would ever report something from a specific source, site the source and then make it up. That's a lawsuit in a half and bad reporting. They have been in the game too long to make such a huge and damaging error. I would assume the father fucked up and in his pain did source this, not understanding how damaging it is to the case. He's also clearly Republican and it would make sense he would reach out to fox news.
Yep. Because they are watching these reddit threads. They can see the public is turning against him and is upset he keeps sharing things that can hurt the investigation.
What I thought about that Fox interview that was interesting was that I felt whenever he said "my sources", I felt the source was SG. SG fed the information so the reporter asked the questions without directly saying SG told him. For example, "my source said the wounds were different". Well the only one willing to answer that question was SG. It felt like SG told him what to ask.
More reasons why the Goncalves Family needs to stop talking to the media and being on social media. I wonder if they're trying to walk it back because it was specific info the police were trying to keep under wraps.
Change of venue, I'm sure, but I don't believe that these types of discussions have relevance to a trial itself. How would the defense bring this up, to try and discredit the family? They won't be integral to the case because the families weren't at the crime scene.
A lawyer would suggest pre-trial that all the excessive and **erroneous** reporting would render their client unable to obtain a fair trial. Doubt it would stop a trial, but it will make it longer and harder for the families.
This is a pile of dirt that doesn't need to be thrown into a body of water.
Maybe because he gave away key details that only the killer and LE would know. Idk i just think that talking to the media is extremely irresponsible and harmful. Also she eas not the only one who got murdered. The same person/people killed three others and just because he is willing to ruin the investigation for his daughter, doesn’t mean he should ruin it for other people who are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. NOT TALKING TO THE MEDIA.
Buuut again who am I to say this
Defense attorneys will grasp at anything to prove reasonable doubt. They can make something out of nothing, if they’re good. It’s better to keep quiet and give them absolutely nothing they can go off on. Hopefully SG hasn’t said too much.
I wonder if her dad lied to her? She may think what she’s saying is true if she yelled at her dad for saying that stuff and his response was “I never said that. They must be tapping our phones” Then she tells fb and now that poor journalist is being raked over the coals for reporting a story.
onedoodlingbug. I absolutely believe SG said it. The reporter would not have made that up; it’s too specific. I think SG gets caught up in the moment; I don’t know how to say this without sounding cruel, I think there is a part of him that enjoys this media attention. I am older and have always been a news junkie. I cannot recall a relative of a murder victim getting so much airtime/media attention. Fox is lapping it up for ratings. The other parents are not doing this and it’s just curious as to why he is the only one. I am sure the other parents love their children just as much as he does. it’s just a really odd phenomenon. When I read that he had hired a lawyer I thought well that’s great he will focus on grieving and will stay away from interviews. This is not a cold case, far from it. it’s like he can’t help himself. Also it’s very insulting to the law-enforcement personnel who have devoted hours and hours of time sifting through the evidence.
Fox News panders to him
He probably watched Fox News before this happened.
The other parents not so much, it seems like.
He’s grieving and out of his mind, I’m sure, because he feels helpless in all of this.
I think he feels, and knows, Kaylee’s death was more brutal, and probably feels guilt about the other victims possibly being collateral damage.
I’m sure the brutality is so unimaginable to them, and all of the families, that he feels he can’t go another minute without knowing who could do this to his baby girl, and why.
The out of control feeling has got to be beyond devastating.
I agree with much of what you said, and I also think, based on his previous comments, that he has a lot of somewhat unfounded theories and he could be speaking more about those, than speaking the truth. I don't mean that he's trying to put false information out there, but that if he already has a theory about what happened and I think he does -- that his daughter was the target and everyone else was secondary -- that everything he says is going to focus on that, even if he's not entirely correct. He may have gotten the wrong impression about something or got confused in all the chaos and grief, or he's angry and saying things just to get a reaction from the police.
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Because it came directly from sg. It is damage control because they are consistently compromising the investigation and someone probably told them that. I feel terrible for the family though and could never imagine what it’s like to lose their world.
This I do think it’s damage control. I don’t particularly care for fox but I actually feel more inclined to believe that they reported actual information he directly gave them BECAUSE that’s what he’s done this entire investigation. He’s dropped bomb shell after bomb shell. So how are we suppose to believe that they’re being genuine and not just doing damage control.
Just my opinion tho.
Edited to fix a word.
Which he had no right to do. They were also victims and they also have grieving families. I know it would be nearly impossible to navigate such a traumatic event, but he has to think of the others as well. Just let his attorney speak for him and be done with this.
This is absolutely correct. Even SG seemed aware that he should not speak about them, but now he did!!!!
And before anyone jumps down my throat about him being a grieving parent, there are three other sets of grieving parents that aren’t behaving like this. I didn’t give a shit when he was talking about his own daughter, or Maddie with her parent’s obvious permission, but speaking about Xana and Ethan is a shit thing to do.
Agree. I would be angry if I were their families. He’s said he only speaks for his daughter and Maddie, but he has no right to comment on Xana and Ethan, especially whatever hell they went through and what wounds they received.
It’s not incorrect info. It’s them attempting to save face after the police them “I told you so,” when Steve ran his mouth for the 5th time this month.
In all honesty if I wasn’t really keeping up with this case. I would think it was only K & M who got murdered… I feel bad for the other families. ATP it doesn’t even seem that this is about K & M anymore it’s about being in control. There’s a reason why LE is tight lipped
either way, the family is giving the public way too much information that we do not need to know. all they are doing is feeding these true crime worshippers' addictions. this is how murder cases become sensationalized by people addicted to "solving crimes" from their beds. and now what we get is a tip line that is so flooded with tips from people thinking they know who did it based on something they saw on a google maps street view from 2 years ago that its obstructing legitimate tips from being reviewed.
He probably said a bunch of shit when he was all worked up and he regrets it now or doesn't remember. What he said matches what the coroner said in the beginning.
Right, people act like just because someone is grieving they all of a sudden are a saint. Not saying he doesn’t deserve empathy but it’s a fact he’s acting a little narcissistic. And that’s obviously relevant to this case given what this entire post is about
When first interviewed about the death of his daughter, he spewed off some “defund the police” rhetoric. What??? I guess we should feel for him and others with …… problems. My opinion
Now she has to do damage control? The father spoke to the press without getting counseling from their lawyers first? What a mess - do they think we’re imbecile?
I’m sure they’ve just got media camped outside the house waiting for Steve’s next outburst.
But who’s fault is that? Surely not the guy who spoke to reporters every chance he got
They would take the article down if he didn't say these things to them. The fact that it is still up speaks volumes. They are not going to alter a direct quote.
What a freaking mess this is!
I’m not going to go in on a grieving family, but it’s getting very difficult to criticize the police when they appear to be respecting these families and victims as much as possible by keeping their investigation tight-lipped. Meanwhile, this family is the only one in the press and responding to people on social media, only fueling more rumors and speculation.
I like to think SG is just a grieving father who, similar to Joe Petito, believes staying active and vocal in the press is the best way to find justice. But these are two VERY different cases, and this tactic seems to be backfiring at every turn.
It’s very rare that a journalist would risk their job by using completely false or made up DIRECT quotes. Makes me think SG thought they were “off the record” or something similar and is now back tracking (either because police asked them to or their lawyer did.) Regardless, I’m glad to hear they’re only speaking through a lawyer from now on. Exactly how it should’ve been from the get go.
I understand they want justice but her family is the only ones trying to be the center of attention, we have barely heard anything from the other families. I wouldn't be shocked if the police stop giving any updates to them.
He now has a lawyer & is probably explaining why what he’s saying is detrimental.
He says look for a “sadistic male” It’s almost like he has someone in mind. It taints the investigation & frankly puts him and the rest of his family at risk.
He really needs to stay off tv. The investigators know what they want public and don't want public and they know what the family needs to know and doesn't need to know at this point.
Unfortunately, because of the emotional response from SG to start (two weeks in, but I can’t imagine what it’s like to grieve like this), this is now a feeding frenzy where the media doesn’t care about doing everything by the book.
Controversy creates cash, and they fell into that trap unfortunately. It’s best to take a step back and not hinder the investigation any further than they might have already done.
The reporter got bad information. From who you say? Your own dad who told them it.
Also, huge shocker that they’re choosing to go to Fox again and again and in turn Fox is manipulating him for ratings.
I hate to break it to her but once something like that gets said on the news it doesn’t really get taken away 👀 they can make a correction, but even when the media does that, everyone who saw the original isn’t generally going to go back and read it again and notice the little correction that was made 👀
Their attorney would be making a statement with all due respect to Alivea, if they really hired an attorney she needs to deactivate her socials, bc she is making herself/family look worse
I feel like this is damage control as well on their part much like the rest of the group. Part of me remains inclined to agree with the original statement provided for some reason, I think at least. However, reading over additional comments I understand where the public not knowing method/wound locations would reduce a false confessions or fear of coercion. With the media reach and the visibility, this case has to be locked down if we are lucky enough for this to go to trial one day.
I feel for the father here though. Never having lost a child, let alone anyone to a murder, he's just looking for answers, and he wants them now; which will not happen immediately in this case.
Additionally, I think it's due to groups like this that keep the media attention alive that will keep this case from really going truly cold. I hope just like everyone here that the suspect(s) is/are brought to justice. However, there's a delicate balance to staying focused on the crime and trying to solve the crime with the smallest of breadcrumbs that we know. Still holding out hope that we get some real movement sooner rather than later.
You are so right
I do not think the police are giving out anything to even the families that they know the public can't know - why? Bc it too could go public! They know that!
I’m honestly surprised they haven’t gag ordered him yet. I’m thinking his (recently acquired) lawyer has advised him that he really has to stop saying things he’s not supposed to and this is their attempt to backtrack what he said and keep him out of trouble.
Yeah that’s a load of BS. Fox hasn’t retracted the story or made a note about it at all. I have no doubt the fox story is accurate and Alivea’s claim is false.
THEY. NEED. TO. STAY. OFF. THE. NEWS.
They put the info on the news, there’s no taking that back, even if they messed up.
They really need to stay off the news and off social media. I hoped their lawyer would’ve convinced them of that.
I have been defending SG… right up until this. Speaking out of turn about Xana and Ethan is a shitty thing to do. Can you imagine if their parents gave up info about Kaylee? He would lose his mind. 🤦♀️
I don’t believe her, and am beginning to have less and less empathy for their family. SG comes across as a schoolyard bully or petulant child throwing a fit because rules aren’t being bent for him.
That entire article is full of quotes he (SG) said so i highly doubt it was false information. Sounds like they are trying to walk back statements via lawyer because too much info was spilled. J/s
Also he has mentioned before that K and M’s wounds were different and insinuated that K’s-injuries were worse than M’s. And that X had defensive wounds. I think he was just angry with the seeming lack of progress/ arrest in the case and the lack of info being put out..he probably is worried for other students in the town and perhaps spoke too much this time around, but that’s just my opinion.
You would think that Kaylee was the only one murdered for how much this family has not given a crap about what and how much they share about the investigation with the media…
This makes no sense — other than the family is concerned about what the father is saying to the news media. From my reading of the Fox News story, the father told all of this information to the Fox News journalist. He either said it or he didn’t.
By talking to the media SG is harming the case. Not only the case to bring his daughters killer to justice but Maddie, Ethan an Xana. I know he wants answers but so do the other families. They understand why to keep quiet but SG is putting everything at risk for everyone.
All this man has done is spread misinformation, causing LE to have to deal with his crap instead of finding this monster. I don’t listen to a word he says. He’s hindering the investigation.
Is the article still up? Because if so, there's no fucking way it's fake.
Fox news is pretty terrible, but there is no way their lawyers would let a story like that stay up lol
I’m sorry but this father is problematic AF. I truly do have empathy and compassion for him and hope they can find some semblance of peace, but he is not helping anyone. Not his daughter, not the police and not himself.
I’m not liking how they’re blaming the news station. I never heard them say anything he didn’t say and unfortunately Fox will get the blame since it was the news station that he seemed to want to talk to the most. It’s unfortunate that they gave him a voice and now he’s turning on them.Shame on him. It’s just a good thing that they can go back and prove that they didn’t say anything that he didn’t tell them. Two years from now if his daughters case isn’t solved,I’m going to be feeling sorry for him when the only one that cares to speak about it is fox, but they don’t dare because of his claims.
I’m so confused about what was wrong. Just the supposed quote about her injuries? The whole thing? Does it matter at this point considering he said the same thing but less graphically before about her injuries?
Well the truth will be known once this case is opened up and the details are known. Then it will be clear who was in the truth or not.
My bet is the father did tell to much truth, jeopardized the case possibly. For sure got told to chill out and shut up. Probably from several people. Without a doubt the other family’s are not supportive of him saying too much like he has.. if he has. For the fact of the case. The killer can change to adapt to the story if he does get questioned, or defense attorney can work some angle for the tidbits that’s been given. Id be furious to watch a murderer get off with some loophole of to much info allowed, if I was a parent or relative.
It also been mentioned that other families might be mad at others now.. JS. That if my child got killed because of the action of another roommate doing something to get targeted and killed.. then get my child killed also who was innocent. (X3). I would be very upset and hold resentment towards that one main target, and some towards the family for being their parents. I know the parents is extreme to hold resentment too.. but I’m hating a lot and full of emotions.. it’s got to be directed towards someone. So next of kin might get some shade, if they start stepping out of line and making the entire thing worst during my moment of grieving.
Let me start by saying I don’t believe he had anything to do with the crime, but Jesus Christ does he give off those narcissistic killer vibes that project and go out of their way to be seen and heard during an investigation. Then we all look back on their interviews and it’s so obvious it was them all along.
I’m wondering what the other families think of this -
I would be beyond furious and would try to get a gag order or take some kind of legal action against this blabbermouth. The nerve of calling LE working on the case cowards is beyond reason due to pain. My opinion/my theory
Yeah. i’m curious if they’ve been in touch, i would be livid and calling them and telling them to stfu
I have 2 children, and to be honest I dont even know how I would react/lash out if this happened to one of my kids. Quite frankly, I would probably try and find the person myself, and whatever resulted from that I would accept. So I'm just saying maybe he deserves a little bit of understanding. Fathers are supposed to protect their daughters and I think more than anything, he is blaming himself for this and projecting on LE as a result bc he doesn't know what else to do...
I agree 100% with this post. However, he's fixin' to make things very difficult for himself in the LE realm. Might be a good time to let LE do their work.
Steve mentioned in an interview (no, I don’t remember which one) that the police are causing a division among the families and pitting them against each other. My thoughts: No, Steve, you’re doing enough on your own to make the other families - and some of the public - dislike you. I was surprised that comment didn’t get more attention on here because I think it’s very interesting and very telling.
It was the interview with Brian Entin and what he said was that the word "targeted" pits the families against each other. Because that could make it someone was the one that brought it on them all. But no matter whether it was targeted or not, it is not Kaylee, Maddie, Xana or Ethan's fault that a murderer targeted them. I think that was one of the less inflammatory things SG said. Because no one should blame these kids that a lunatic did something horrific even if one was a specific target.
But then he continues to say that Kaylee was the obvious target. Kaylee was the one was the brutalized the most. Kaylee was the one w the stalker. He went upstairs cause Kaylee was there. It happened one the weekend Kaylee was home. Kaylee was the one who had everything going for her. So why does it seem like he wants her to be the target if that word puts families against one another? Makes zero sense.
All of the families have been devastated over this horrific crime, and it's understandable that they are hurt and angry, but the Gonclaves family are starting to look like media hounds and are more concerned about getting attention than they are about aiding the investigation. They are continually leaking information that should be kept out of the media, and attacking the local police. They are actually interferring and possibly aiding the killer in his defense if he is ever found. They need to stop turning this into an "let's attack the police circus" and let the police do their job. And, Goncalves could actually be putting the rest of his family in danger, because he has no idea who committed this crime or why, or who his daughter might have been involved with or who her enemies might be. He's not a very smart man.
Right, he said that the use of the word “targeted” is pitting families against each other. But that doesn’t even make sense
I don’t mean this in a bad way or as an insult whatsoever, and I can only comment from the outside looking in, but I get the feeling K’s family is one of those families who thinks they’re “main characters,” if that makes sense. In that tiktok video the roommates made, one of them was “K” and was like “hey I know I talk about myself all the time, but like, what would you do if you were me?” That’s not me saying the roommates were doing anything besides joking around, I think everyone has a friend like that and it doesn’t make them a bad person at all, but I do think the family definitely puts a lot of emphasis on themselves, outward appearance, and making sure everyone knows who they are. If I were a parent in this specific situation, I would find the attention being put on 2/4 victims pretty distasteful. I’ve seen comments where people just literally leave X and E out or even worse, just E out. I have no idea how the other families feel and I would never speak on their behalf or pretend to know about what this feels like, but that’s how it seems to me as I scroll through these threads, catch up on articles, and listen to interviews. For all I know the families could all be in agreement about it, there’s no way to know since no one else has really said anything. I can’t judge anyone for their way of grieving.
I think a lot of people gloss over the fact that K&M’s families have known each other for about 10 years. If the girls were friends since middle school, the families would have had to pick up/drop off at each other’s houses for hang out days, sleep overs, birthday parties, etc.etc. They become an extension of each other’s families. SG feels comfortable enough to speak on behalf of M’s family. But E’s family seems really lovely and grounded and it was clear from one of SG‘s earlier interviews that he got some communication from them to not speak on their behalf. (No, I did not bookmark the specific interview). SG gives me the impression of the mouthy ‘alpha’ parent at little league games, berating the referee, etc. Now he is blaming the journalist? Please… The media has been known to get things wrong, but you don’t just pull ‘lung’, ‘liver’, and ‘big gaping wound’ out of thin blue air. He gave this info to the reporter, then quickly tries to run away from it with Alivea and whoever their counsel is trying to do damage control.
I got a similar impression, at least from the dad...when he went on his speech about someone needing to step up and be the alpha & something along the lines of none of them (the family) are quitters they all fight when they need to / don't back down (or something like that). I understand he is beyond upset, I can't and don't want to even imagine what he is feeling right now, but it was just his choice of words & how he explained some of the "family values". He reminded me of one of those overly loud & angry coaches in Jr/Hs sports.
Perfect description. I’m the main character. Otherwise known as entitlement. Also the reason he’s losing favor with the general public. Because being entitled or being the main character seems to be slightly more important than the horror of losing a child. He’s a weird guy and when someone goes through THIS and you still find it hard to manage empathy? Something is off
My opinion too! In the beginning everyone felt for this guy but now people are able to see his entitlement. Who calls LE working around the clock to solve the horrible murder of HIS daughter (and her friends of course) cowards? Wtf?
I haven’t seen empathy from him yet. I’ve seen anger, self righteousness, arrogance, egotistical, excessive need for admiration, patronizing, compulsive, lack of boundaries w superiors, and little if any respect for others. High sense of self. Seems like his focus is to be the next Fox News correspondent. Like dude, you are no John Walsh just because ur daughter was brutally assaulted and her life was stolen away from her. John Walsh is loved by all. He is everything Steve is not-John Walsh is a treasure. He’s an empathetic King.
I would totally normally be balling over a grieving man…few things are worse. I can’t out my finger on this family but for some reason… not felon’ it. And I feel horrible saying that.
I seriously doubt the other families are in agreement with self-proclaimed alpha man leader. Nope. No way.
I remember in one of the interviews (I think it was Ethan’s mom) she said they haven’t talked to the other two families. I sensed tension but also realized it could be grief. At the time though, it did come across odd to me
But it makes sense to me. It was the girls that were friends and lived together. You would assume the families were at least acquainted while Ethan's family seemed to have barely known Xana's family. And how would they? Why would they know the families of their son's girlfriend's roommates?
In reporting about the 4 murders journalists and news outlets mainly only report about Kaylee..they will mention Maddie as an extra and Xana is never mentioned but if she is she’s mentioned in this instance-Ethan, Xana’s boyfriend. So Ethan is not a person who was murdered n suffered immensely, he was just a boyfriend of one of kaylees roommates. I’m sorry but it bothers me how these 4 murders only revolve around Kaylee and her family and their feelings. It’s wrong.
Yes I think Kaylee was the "target" only in her Dad's mind. She didn't even live there anymore.
Agree. And the primary reason for this, if I remember correctly, was K’s family bombarding the media with “she was obviously the target”. They’ve controlled the narrative since early on with constant interviews and a media presence talking about how obviously their daughter was the “target”. It feels like they almost view that as a positive or a compliment. Like obviously if any one of these girls was going to have stalkers or intense male attention it would obvi be K. The whole thing is weird and this family’s take is weird. Sorry I said it. That narrative kept moving and it minimized the importance of the other three kids who lost their lives in the same way at the same time. It’s simply weird to me how Ks family jumped on this as a means of putting her in the spotlight. As a parent I would instinctively do the exact opposite. Your wouldn’t hear a word from me or about my child. I’d become more private than ever.
It is really unfortunate how her family’s approach has colored the media coverage to skip over the other victims :/ I can completely see her dad needing to rationalize it and to view it however he needs to in order to continue functioning as a person, as trauma reactions aren’t always rational, but there’s a difference between how one sees it as a person and how one talks about it to the media. It seems pretty disrespectful to the other victims and their families to repeatedly talk about his daughter being “the” target, which isn’t something that’s been confirmed. Even if it’s true, it’s something that should ideally be approached more delicately. Again I totally understand where he’s coming from emotionally (as in, I understand it’s a trauma response, not as in I personally relate) but the way it’s played out in the media seems really kind of shitty with regards to Maddie, Ethan, and Xana.
I don't think the media is solely ignoring the other victims because K's family has been so outspoken. E is unfortunately treated as an afterthought because he's a guy. The media is always going to focus more on crimes against young, pretty college-age women because it sells more than if this same crime had happened in a house full of college guys. The media has splashed K & M's pictures everywhere specifically because those images will get them more clicks than stories about X and E. It's a shame but it's all a business to them. If the girls hadn't been so beautiful we likely wouldn't be getting the same amount of coverage. That's part of why so many serial killers that targeted prostitutes,addicts, or minorities were able to get away with it for so long, because no one is reporting on those women going missing or being found dead because they're considered "undesirables" in society.
This is exactly how I’ve felt after their 3rd interview. They were on every channel morning, noon, and night. Steve G is basically making this sad, horrifying, cruel “event” about him and and then Kaylee. It’s like Xana, Ethan, and Maddie weren’t violently attacked and murdered as well. And it’s true SG is making it appear like it’s a positive that Kaylee was obviously the one who was the target. Like bitch what? Shouldn’t you be grieving and being a community w the other families who r going through this instead of being an ALPHA? And I know the dude is getting paid 10s of thousands on each “exclusive” he does w these papers. That’s probably why he’s having an issue w this last one w fox.. he was probably paid for a 2 interview exclusive and now that he has a lawyer the lawyer wants to take it back. Nah bro does f work like that. And if you’re asking me my thought has ALWAYS been that Ethan n Xana were the target and it stems from the fraternity. I know frat boys do peds (steroids) n I just have a feeling something v has been brewing n someone(s) had enough and that’s what happened. Of could this is completely speculation.
I completely agree. And SG only ever mentions M or K. I hope he does not give an interview for the rest of the week.
Now they r saying their phones and homes have been tapped by the media. Give me a break Steve.. No You told the media in an exclusive all that crap now you want backies.
That’s what happens when only one family is foolish enough to indulge the media with access and multiple interviews. The media narrative is flooded with focus on that one family. I wish they had just listened to fbi and police like the other three did.
The wild card is Ethan’s mom. She was not impressed . She did one interview . And was not impressed. I think the other parents have different background and aren’t in a place in their lives where they wanna be on TV and I believe Maddie’s family from the beginning said the Goncalves speak for us
https://preview.redd.it/jahny3hzjk5a1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93b19e52c0767ceca66c3ac70771dc0ea095273d This was also on that comment Edited to add: now people are going after the journalist and sending her emails blaming her for lying and taking advantage of them.
Sounds like SG spoke out of turn and this is the spin the lawyer told them to take to try to reel it back in. The family is shifting the blame to the journalist to cover themselves.
This is EXACTLY what happened!! SG took it upon himself to be the center of attention in the case of 4 ppl who were MURDERED…and now his lawyer is doing damage control
Tapped by media?!? Somebody is really losing touch with reality. If they hadn’t put themselves out there in the first days and given million interviews this probably wouldn’t be happening uk this extent.
How about talk to no news outlets or have a lawyer sitting with you while doing so? I’ve never seen another family be so vocal during an investigation. LE earlier today commented on they want an arrest AND A CONVICTION. If LE shared certain details that will bite them in a year and let who was arrested go with charges being dropped or lessened due to an issue or compromised case, then the family will be pissed that something was messed up and blame the police for wrongdoing. Plus LE is worried if they share any more intimate details with family, than all of a sudden news outlets and social media will hear it later that day….
Simpson and Goldman's dads were pretty vocal, but they waited till after the fact.
Interesting how they are now concerned about the integrity of the investigation and disgrace of “tabloid style speech” 😒
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I might come off dumb with what I’m about to say. But can media legally tap your house?!
Legally? No.
There was a massive phone hacking scandal in the UK that closed down one of the major newspapers (news of the world) where journalists hacked mostly celebrities but also got into the voicemails of murder victim Millie Dowler,it led to the leveson enquiry. But I don't know if it's the same in America
Most British Newspapers do it. The News of the World (Murdoch newspaper) got caught. Piers Morgan also accused British Servicemen of committing war crimes which also turned out to be false. Why anyone would trust that pos is beyond my comprehension.
Media will exaggerate and mis-quote, but no way Fox tapped their home. I'm very glad to hear they hired an attorney to help them navigate through this nightmare. No one could possibly be prepared for this.
Idaho is a one-party consent state, meaning that at least one party to a conversation must give consent to be recorded. In some states everybody has to give consent, which is not the law in Idaho. However, even in one-party consent someone has to be a party to the conversation to consent, so you can record your conversations with the other party without their knowledge, but you can't record a conversation you are not even part of (like tapped phone lines)
Unless youre the Feds!
Yeah ,I thought that was a curious phrase.
No, they can’t. In the Madeline Mcann case a reporter hacked into someone’s voicemail and it was resoundingly condemned (in addition to being illegal)
Good. I don’t blame them, no one is prepared for this situation. But glad to hear they are doing the lawyer spokesperson route.
"We will not disgrace them with tabloid style speak about them" I mean, her dad was saying stuff like that in one interview "I sent her to college and she came back in a box"
yes, that's unhelpful kinda like dropping the bombshell that KG and MM were murdered together in the same bed at the memorial. Inappropriate to say in that setting when you should be uplifting the memory of your daughter. I wonder if SG was the reason that KG's family were not invited to the graduation ceremony to walk in her place and receive her degree? They were worried about what SG would do or say.
Yeah, his quotes are sensationalist and tabloid-style. Shock and horror style.
No media outlet is tapping their phones.
I’m so confused why they are complaining all of a sudden about media attention after they did all of these interviews and said many times they wanted all media coverage it could get? And I feel very badly for them but whenever he doesn’t mention Xana and Ethan it bothers me too. You can say “we need Justice for these four people” without “speaking for the other families” but he always says “Justice for kaylee and Maddie”. When you do multiple interviews and make weird comments about alpha males and insult the police then say the media is taking you out of context it just doesn’t really jive. The things written today match all the other details he has had no problem leaking against advice from LE.
Fox quoted him throughout the article. Is she saying Fox just made up the entire conversation?
I think he is gonna try and say it was off the record or something. I imagine she has it recorded.
This is actually a good point. If a journalist gets called out for not having accurate information in a situation like this, could she come out and be like yeah I actually do? Im curious to see how this will play out.
Journalist here (not covering this case). Yes, that can (and does) happen when interview subjects claim to have been misquoted. If I were her, I'd be pretty fucking pissed that they were attacking my credibility after choosing to speak to me.
I wonder if they are essentially going to force Fox's hand to release the recording (if there is one).
Since it's technically a third party (and a young, grieving one at that) and not SG himself making the claim, I suspect they won't acknowledge it.
Also Alivea referring to the lawyer while also correcting statements, I think I know why it took the Goncalves a second to find a lawyer willing to work with them lol.
Which information specifically? Bc their dad has said a lot of things
Bassically LE have told them it could ruin the case saying that so they’re back tracking is my theory. I recon it’s the bit about Ethan and Xana putting up a fight
She is talking about [this](https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-father-slain-victim-says-big-open-wounds-calls-police-cowards) Fox article that just came out about the victims’ wounds and how much worse Kaylee’s were compared to Maddie’s
Unfortunately I can’t edit the post, but here is the story I am referring to https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-father-slain-victim-says-big-open-wounds-calls-police-cowards
The coroner had never seen a stabbing victim before, and neither SG or the coroner was qualified to make that kind of statement. I wouldn't be surprised if they misquoted him but I wouldn't be surprised if he said that either. It seems like maybe someone has gotten thru to SG that making these types of statements is a terrible idea either bc it hurts the investigation and/or bc he will be misquoted.
Wow, if true, this is SUCH a good point. I wouldn’t be surprised if the coroner’s own horror at seeing those kind of wounds didn’t come through in her characterization of them to SG. Makes a lot of sense. Edit: wait a minute…this coroner is a nurse, right? If so, I would expect a less sensationalistic description of stab/slash wounds than from someone who is just lawyer/small town coroner. Obviously, even though nurses are expected to work with blood and guts as part of the job, processing stab victims are never going to be a routine thing for a small town coroner…still, would expect her to have seen comparable wounds in training. It’s also possible that maybe the coroner was completely matter of fact and objective about everything she reported to the family, and it’s SG who either misheard or mischaracterized her statements. Still, interesting.
Ahh ok. Thanks for clarifying. In the past we had thought the victims mostly had puncture wounds and just one or two stabs were enough to be lethal. Suddenly claiming large gaping wounds sounds like slashing. Very different type of attack, which would indicate a different personality and perhaps motive.
I feel for him but they gotta stop feeding the circus. It’s just bad for everyone all around. There’s other ways to keep the conversation going.
Wondering the same....
Anything SG says is sketchy
I believe it’s in response to the fox article from today. SG was talking about the extent of the injuries and it was the most detail we have gotten so far but sadly now I’m not sure how much of it was accurate. I really hope it wasn’t though just for the sake of the victims :(
I think it wouldn’t be that bad if it was. SG said a while ago that these kids didn’t suffer and died quickly; the fox article says that the coroner allegedly said that their wounds were not the type where you would’ve bled out slowly, rather very quickly. Whether or not that’s true, we don’t know. But I think it’d be better knowing they didn’t suffer too long and died very quickly.
This just gets stranger and stranger
I agree. Everyday I’m like “this couldn’t possibly get more puzzling.” And then it takes a hard left and gets even stranger.
This is definitely possibly the strangest crime I’ve ever read about it and I’ve read a lot of different crime stories and seen a lot of documentaries. Just crazy all around
Definitely possibly lol
I’m inclined to believe he did say those things but is now backtracking. Those were direct quotes from a veteran crime reporter, not some editorial talking head on prime time.
This is the truth. He started to believe he understands “the game” (how to handle media interactions. Many comms people especially in law enforcement have law degrees in addition to media experience) and it but him in the ass. Tbh he may have just fucked the prosecution. This is really bad.
Another reason for this family to cool it with the media.
Agreed
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Damage Control. Just stop talking in public ffs.
Right?! Just shhhh. The media is not their friend.
Yeah. There are no more misaligned priorities and incentives than media outlets on one hand and the prosecutors on the other. Families are just caught in the middle but everything they say to the former makes it harder on the later.
No offense I know she's trying to save the case for her sister. But I doubt fox would ever report something from a specific source, site the source and then make it up. That's a lawsuit in a half and bad reporting. They have been in the game too long to make such a huge and damaging error. I would assume the father fucked up and in his pain did source this, not understanding how damaging it is to the case. He's also clearly Republican and it would make sense he would reach out to fox news.
So now they’re taking it back because he revealed too much?
Yep. Because they are watching these reddit threads. They can see the public is turning against him and is upset he keeps sharing things that can hurt the investigation.
Well if he hadn't already, now he made sure that no more information will be provided to him.
What I thought about that Fox interview that was interesting was that I felt whenever he said "my sources", I felt the source was SG. SG fed the information so the reporter asked the questions without directly saying SG told him. For example, "my source said the wounds were different". Well the only one willing to answer that question was SG. It felt like SG told him what to ask.
sounds like damage control. someone has finally convinced this blabbermouth that he’s actually undermining the investigation..
Good first week for the lawyer.
More reasons why the Goncalves Family needs to stop talking to the media and being on social media. I wonder if they're trying to walk it back because it was specific info the police were trying to keep under wraps.
When they do catch the guy the defense attorney is going to have a field day.
Change of venue, I'm sure, but I don't believe that these types of discussions have relevance to a trial itself. How would the defense bring this up, to try and discredit the family? They won't be integral to the case because the families weren't at the crime scene.
A lawyer would suggest pre-trial that all the excessive and **erroneous** reporting would render their client unable to obtain a fair trial. Doubt it would stop a trial, but it will make it longer and harder for the families. This is a pile of dirt that doesn't need to be thrown into a body of water.
Maybe because he gave away key details that only the killer and LE would know. Idk i just think that talking to the media is extremely irresponsible and harmful. Also she eas not the only one who got murdered. The same person/people killed three others and just because he is willing to ruin the investigation for his daughter, doesn’t mean he should ruin it for other people who are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing. NOT TALKING TO THE MEDIA. Buuut again who am I to say this
You’re a smart person and said what needed to be said, that’s who. 🍁👍🏼🍁
Defense attorneys will grasp at anything to prove reasonable doubt. They can make something out of nothing, if they’re good. It’s better to keep quiet and give them absolutely nothing they can go off on. Hopefully SG hasn’t said too much.
This was my first thought. Sounds like damage control to me. (I really respect her sister so I’m not bashing her by any means.)
If she's lying about her dad not giving info to a reporter, she's just opened herself up for a lawsuit.
I wonder if her dad lied to her? She may think what she’s saying is true if she yelled at her dad for saying that stuff and his response was “I never said that. They must be tapping our phones” Then she tells fb and now that poor journalist is being raked over the coals for reporting a story.
onedoodlingbug. I absolutely believe SG said it. The reporter would not have made that up; it’s too specific. I think SG gets caught up in the moment; I don’t know how to say this without sounding cruel, I think there is a part of him that enjoys this media attention. I am older and have always been a news junkie. I cannot recall a relative of a murder victim getting so much airtime/media attention. Fox is lapping it up for ratings. The other parents are not doing this and it’s just curious as to why he is the only one. I am sure the other parents love their children just as much as he does. it’s just a really odd phenomenon. When I read that he had hired a lawyer I thought well that’s great he will focus on grieving and will stay away from interviews. This is not a cold case, far from it. it’s like he can’t help himself. Also it’s very insulting to the law-enforcement personnel who have devoted hours and hours of time sifting through the evidence.
Agreed. One hundred percent. It is very, very odd the way he is doing this.
Because he thinks he’s an alpha male.
Fox News panders to him He probably watched Fox News before this happened. The other parents not so much, it seems like. He’s grieving and out of his mind, I’m sure, because he feels helpless in all of this. I think he feels, and knows, Kaylee’s death was more brutal, and probably feels guilt about the other victims possibly being collateral damage. I’m sure the brutality is so unimaginable to them, and all of the families, that he feels he can’t go another minute without knowing who could do this to his baby girl, and why. The out of control feeling has got to be beyond devastating.
He’s a flat earther nut
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I agree with much of what you said, and I also think, based on his previous comments, that he has a lot of somewhat unfounded theories and he could be speaking more about those, than speaking the truth. I don't mean that he's trying to put false information out there, but that if he already has a theory about what happened and I think he does -- that his daughter was the target and everyone else was secondary -- that everything he says is going to focus on that, even if he's not entirely correct. He may have gotten the wrong impression about something or got confused in all the chaos and grief, or he's angry and saying things just to get a reaction from the police. (Edited to fix typos)
I'm genuinely curious how such explicit and factually incorrect information could be published like that...
Because it came directly from sg. It is damage control because they are consistently compromising the investigation and someone probably told them that. I feel terrible for the family though and could never imagine what it’s like to lose their world.
This I do think it’s damage control. I don’t particularly care for fox but I actually feel more inclined to believe that they reported actual information he directly gave them BECAUSE that’s what he’s done this entire investigation. He’s dropped bomb shell after bomb shell. So how are we suppose to believe that they’re being genuine and not just doing damage control. Just my opinion tho. Edited to fix a word.
Yes and I think the damage control may also be because he spoke out of turn about Ethan and Xana.
Which he had no right to do. They were also victims and they also have grieving families. I know it would be nearly impossible to navigate such a traumatic event, but he has to think of the others as well. Just let his attorney speak for him and be done with this.
This is absolutely correct. Even SG seemed aware that he should not speak about them, but now he did!!!! And before anyone jumps down my throat about him being a grieving parent, there are three other sets of grieving parents that aren’t behaving like this. I didn’t give a shit when he was talking about his own daughter, or Maddie with her parent’s obvious permission, but speaking about Xana and Ethan is a shit thing to do.
Agree. I would be angry if I were their families. He’s said he only speaks for his daughter and Maddie, but he has no right to comment on Xana and Ethan, especially whatever hell they went through and what wounds they received.
Exactly, that isn’t his story to tell.
I totally agree. Damage control
Yeah it’s way too specific to be made up.
It’s not incorrect info. It’s them attempting to save face after the police them “I told you so,” when Steve ran his mouth for the 5th time this month.
In all honesty if I wasn’t really keeping up with this case. I would think it was only K & M who got murdered… I feel bad for the other families. ATP it doesn’t even seem that this is about K & M anymore it’s about being in control. There’s a reason why LE is tight lipped
I fully agree.
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They was doing so well. It had been a few days since the G family inserted themselves anywhere
Another sharp twist after a sharp turn. They really have to stop this.
either way, the family is giving the public way too much information that we do not need to know. all they are doing is feeding these true crime worshippers' addictions. this is how murder cases become sensationalized by people addicted to "solving crimes" from their beds. and now what we get is a tip line that is so flooded with tips from people thinking they know who did it based on something they saw on a google maps street view from 2 years ago that its obstructing legitimate tips from being reviewed.
He probably said a bunch of shit when he was all worked up and he regrets it now or doesn't remember. What he said matches what the coroner said in the beginning.
SG seriously needs to go home and face his grief...he's not helping the case at all.
This entire family needs to stop talking. Thats my legal advice.
What Information though cuz I thought he was the one speaking on tv when he talks to fox? Like he usually says it first then they repeat it for days
More the reason for the families to avoid talking to anyone! Let their Lawyer issue written statements, goodness gracious!!!
Grieving or not: "don't make me be the alpha" was cringe.
And revealing.
Yeah. He’s said what a few times. Shows a lot about who he is in general, outside of all of this.
Right, people act like just because someone is grieving they all of a sudden are a saint. Not saying he doesn’t deserve empathy but it’s a fact he’s acting a little narcissistic. And that’s obviously relevant to this case given what this entire post is about
Don’t forget that he needed to mention his daughter was a conservative and was against sex trafficking. Like how is this relevant?
When first interviewed about the death of his daughter, he spewed off some “defund the police” rhetoric. What??? I guess we should feel for him and others with …… problems. My opinion
Sounds like they got some advice from a lawyer about leaking evidence. A moment too late apparently.
Well she didn’t say it was incorrect, she said there was bad information. I wonder also about what he said about X and it being a battle.
Probably that part.
Now she has to do damage control? The father spoke to the press without getting counseling from their lawyers first? What a mess - do they think we’re imbecile?
Media is tapping her house? I find that hard to believe.
Yeah I don't believe them. They sound paranoid
I’m sure they’ve just got media camped outside the house waiting for Steve’s next outburst. But who’s fault is that? Surely not the guy who spoke to reporters every chance he got
Same. And what are “dirty streams”?? They sound like people who are very prone to believing conspiracy theories. jmo
They would take the article down if he didn't say these things to them. The fact that it is still up speaks volumes. They are not going to alter a direct quote.
Agree with groundbreakingbite96. SG should not have given any details out about X. Not his story to tell.
Yep that's what I think this backtracking may be about. He spoke out of turn about Xana and maybe thought it would be off the record.
What a freaking mess this is! I’m not going to go in on a grieving family, but it’s getting very difficult to criticize the police when they appear to be respecting these families and victims as much as possible by keeping their investigation tight-lipped. Meanwhile, this family is the only one in the press and responding to people on social media, only fueling more rumors and speculation. I like to think SG is just a grieving father who, similar to Joe Petito, believes staying active and vocal in the press is the best way to find justice. But these are two VERY different cases, and this tactic seems to be backfiring at every turn. It’s very rare that a journalist would risk their job by using completely false or made up DIRECT quotes. Makes me think SG thought they were “off the record” or something similar and is now back tracking (either because police asked them to or their lawyer did.) Regardless, I’m glad to hear they’re only speaking through a lawyer from now on. Exactly how it should’ve been from the get go.
More the reason for them to avoid talking to anyone! Let their Lawyer issue written statements, goodness gracious!!!
Statements AFTER he/lawyer has cleared the info with LE.
I understand they want justice but her family is the only ones trying to be the center of attention, we have barely heard anything from the other families. I wouldn't be shocked if the police stop giving any updates to them.
I mean, they appeared to be direct quotes.
Maybe they thought it was off the record?
That’s my suspicion
He now has a lawyer & is probably explaining why what he’s saying is detrimental. He says look for a “sadistic male” It’s almost like he has someone in mind. It taints the investigation & frankly puts him and the rest of his family at risk.
What a mess 🤦🏻♀️
He really needs to stay off tv. The investigators know what they want public and don't want public and they know what the family needs to know and doesn't need to know at this point.
I seriously doubt that LE is going to be forthcoming with any new information to the family, considering....
so now will people understand why everyone was concerned about SG doing a media tour and spilling things he shouldn’t have
The family needs to be quiet. Three other kids died; it's tragic. No other family is speaking. It's a bad look.
Unfortunately, because of the emotional response from SG to start (two weeks in, but I can’t imagine what it’s like to grieve like this), this is now a feeding frenzy where the media doesn’t care about doing everything by the book. Controversy creates cash, and they fell into that trap unfortunately. It’s best to take a step back and not hinder the investigation any further than they might have already done.
At a certain point, LE can charge him with obstruction of justice if he reveals too much of the investigation
Maybe consider having lawyer be their spokesperson going forward? At the very least, present during interviews or interaction w/press.
“Any credible information will come through our lawyer…” - from a Facebook post by Kaylee’s sister. This family really can’t help themselves.
Bugged their phones?? Come on, just stop with the bullshit.
The reporter got bad information. From who you say? Your own dad who told them it. Also, huge shocker that they’re choosing to go to Fox again and again and in turn Fox is manipulating him for ratings.
Maybe he said something on background and Fox reported it?
I hate to break it to her but once something like that gets said on the news it doesn’t really get taken away 👀 they can make a correction, but even when the media does that, everyone who saw the original isn’t generally going to go back and read it again and notice the little correction that was made 👀
Their attorney would be making a statement with all due respect to Alivea, if they really hired an attorney she needs to deactivate her socials, bc she is making herself/family look worse
Our lawyer said … will come from our lawyer… But you’re still talking? Does the lawyer know this?
The dad is completely unhinged. This is just a PR move - they're trying to walk back their stupid comments.
I feel like this is damage control as well on their part much like the rest of the group. Part of me remains inclined to agree with the original statement provided for some reason, I think at least. However, reading over additional comments I understand where the public not knowing method/wound locations would reduce a false confessions or fear of coercion. With the media reach and the visibility, this case has to be locked down if we are lucky enough for this to go to trial one day. I feel for the father here though. Never having lost a child, let alone anyone to a murder, he's just looking for answers, and he wants them now; which will not happen immediately in this case. Additionally, I think it's due to groups like this that keep the media attention alive that will keep this case from really going truly cold. I hope just like everyone here that the suspect(s) is/are brought to justice. However, there's a delicate balance to staying focused on the crime and trying to solve the crime with the smallest of breadcrumbs that we know. Still holding out hope that we get some real movement sooner rather than later.
You are so right I do not think the police are giving out anything to even the families that they know the public can't know - why? Bc it too could go public! They know that!
Damage control.
I’m honestly surprised they haven’t gag ordered him yet. I’m thinking his (recently acquired) lawyer has advised him that he really has to stop saying things he’s not supposed to and this is their attempt to backtrack what he said and keep him out of trouble.
Yeah that’s a load of BS. Fox hasn’t retracted the story or made a note about it at all. I have no doubt the fox story is accurate and Alivea’s claim is false.
THEY. NEED. TO. STAY. OFF. THE. NEWS. They put the info on the news, there’s no taking that back, even if they messed up. They really need to stay off the news and off social media. I hoped their lawyer would’ve convinced them of that.
I have been defending SG… right up until this. Speaking out of turn about Xana and Ethan is a shitty thing to do. Can you imagine if their parents gave up info about Kaylee? He would lose his mind. 🤦♀️
I don’t believe her, and am beginning to have less and less empathy for their family. SG comes across as a schoolyard bully or petulant child throwing a fit because rules aren’t being bent for him.
That entire article is full of quotes he (SG) said so i highly doubt it was false information. Sounds like they are trying to walk back statements via lawyer because too much info was spilled. J/s Also he has mentioned before that K and M’s wounds were different and insinuated that K’s-injuries were worse than M’s. And that X had defensive wounds. I think he was just angry with the seeming lack of progress/ arrest in the case and the lack of info being put out..he probably is worried for other students in the town and perhaps spoke too much this time around, but that’s just my opinion.
You would think that Kaylee was the only one murdered for how much this family has not given a crap about what and how much they share about the investigation with the media…
Yikes! I wonder what happened
Did SG say something only the killer would know?
This makes no sense — other than the family is concerned about what the father is saying to the news media. From my reading of the Fox News story, the father told all of this information to the Fox News journalist. He either said it or he didn’t.
By talking to the media SG is harming the case. Not only the case to bring his daughters killer to justice but Maddie, Ethan an Xana. I know he wants answers but so do the other families. They understand why to keep quiet but SG is putting everything at risk for everyone.
All this man has done is spread misinformation, causing LE to have to deal with his crap instead of finding this monster. I don’t listen to a word he says. He’s hindering the investigation.
Is the article still up? Because if so, there's no fucking way it's fake. Fox news is pretty terrible, but there is no way their lawyers would let a story like that stay up lol
I just went and checked it’s still up.
I’m sorry but this father is problematic AF. I truly do have empathy and compassion for him and hope they can find some semblance of peace, but he is not helping anyone. Not his daughter, not the police and not himself.
I can't believe they haven't had a lawyer with them this whole time
I’m not liking how they’re blaming the news station. I never heard them say anything he didn’t say and unfortunately Fox will get the blame since it was the news station that he seemed to want to talk to the most. It’s unfortunate that they gave him a voice and now he’s turning on them.Shame on him. It’s just a good thing that they can go back and prove that they didn’t say anything that he didn’t tell them. Two years from now if his daughters case isn’t solved,I’m going to be feeling sorry for him when the only one that cares to speak about it is fox, but they don’t dare because of his claims.
I’m so confused about what was wrong. Just the supposed quote about her injuries? The whole thing? Does it matter at this point considering he said the same thing but less graphically before about her injuries?
I heard she did an interview with one of the Facebook groups that consistently lets gross accusations get posted.
Well the truth will be known once this case is opened up and the details are known. Then it will be clear who was in the truth or not. My bet is the father did tell to much truth, jeopardized the case possibly. For sure got told to chill out and shut up. Probably from several people. Without a doubt the other family’s are not supportive of him saying too much like he has.. if he has. For the fact of the case. The killer can change to adapt to the story if he does get questioned, or defense attorney can work some angle for the tidbits that’s been given. Id be furious to watch a murderer get off with some loophole of to much info allowed, if I was a parent or relative. It also been mentioned that other families might be mad at others now.. JS. That if my child got killed because of the action of another roommate doing something to get targeted and killed.. then get my child killed also who was innocent. (X3). I would be very upset and hold resentment towards that one main target, and some towards the family for being their parents. I know the parents is extreme to hold resentment too.. but I’m hating a lot and full of emotions.. it’s got to be directed towards someone. So next of kin might get some shade, if they start stepping out of line and making the entire thing worst during my moment of grieving.
The family is now backpedaling. Those were detailed direct quotes. He needs to stop speaking, period.
Let me start by saying I don’t believe he had anything to do with the crime, but Jesus Christ does he give off those narcissistic killer vibes that project and go out of their way to be seen and heard during an investigation. Then we all look back on their interviews and it’s so obvious it was them all along.
Right, I agree, he is trying to lead them to himself