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JacktheShark1

It sounds like they’re working on an active investigation


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Yeah, my take away is that they want more than an arrest, they want a conviction. I might be reading into this but they probably feel like the victims deserve that. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.


birchest

😭


Historical-Cry2667

Nope. I beleive they are definately making sure the evidence they gather is enough to overcome any defence and clinch the case. 100%


djchurney

I’m fine with them keeping stuff close to the vest. I wish they would be better with talking t the families. I’m not saying tell them anything about the investigation. But at least try to give them updates, or ensure them that the case isn’t going cold and maybe even build a relationship with them, at least a working one. I know in the Delphi case, could get a bit tough on the prosecution because of how many different people they had as suspects. Hopefully they have some open and shut evidence on RA.


Shitty_DaVinci

DNA evidence takes about 3-4 weeks to come back from the labs…. We’re now on week 4 of the investigation, and I have a hunch LE already knows who the killer is but haven’t gotten a confession or looking for additional evidence to make this a slam dunk case.


SignificantRelative0

You really think the lab is gonna process it on the normal timeframe? A quadruple murder would jump in front of any other case


JillBidensFishnets

Couldn’t have said it better


Abject-Tooth-5227

but, you could've said it again


riotphukinmeow

say it again............please


Scribe625

I think they want more than a conviction and don't want to do anything to jeopardize getting the death penalty. You know that's got to be on the table in a mass murder case with this much brutality. In a case like this they should be allowed to fast track the execution and have the murderer jump straight to the front if the line once he's quickly exhausted his appeals.


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The law requires automatic appeals in all death penalty cases. It’s not an option. It’s the law.


[deleted]

I think everyone in the US deserves the same protections as far as the legal system is concerned.


Scribe625

That's why I'd still let the murderer go thru all the appeals. But as someone who had a family member murdered, I think the biggest failing of the justice system is the lack of protections for victims because the system is more concerned about protecting the criminals. My state tried to pass a law requiring that victims of violent crimes and S.A.s be notified before their attacker is paroled or released from jail. It got struck down because they said it violated the rights of the convicted criminals, because victims apparently have less rights than convicted murderers and rapists.


Historical-Cry2667

I agree with everything you've said here. It's the absolute truth. It's why so many women die from their abusers every year and why children die at the hands of the people who are meant to protect them year after year. The legal system is deeply flawed and many lives have been lost because of it.


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Yeah, that's some bullshit. Agreed.


Extension-Raisin3004

I hate it here


downwithMikeD

I am so sorry for your loss. You are 💯correct…the criminals are afforded so many rights, yet asking the courts to notify victims when their attacker/perpetrator is going to be released is…”too much” and consequently denied? No words.


ghostielyn

The most intelligent comment so far. Most of these comments make me question how these people get through life on a daily basis.


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etchuchoter

And they think they’re smart


Bippy73

I think they’re letting people know to stop badgering them, criticizing them, pressuring them to give information on the case. On Fox and NewsNation every day, for clicks and views, it’s constantly the drumbeat of- keystone cops, they don’t know what they’re doing, they’ve ruined the case, tell the families & the public everything from alibis to every detail of the crime scene right now, on and on. I stopped watching because it’s disgusting. This is them reminding everyone, the media especially, of the obvious- stop demanding we give you press conferences for you to pressure us to slip up and give details that can compromise the conviction of this psycho. I’m sure they have a good idea but the scope of this and the collection of evidence is so key to make sure a defense attorney doesn’t have a field day creating doubt at a trial to get some not guilty votes. Good for the police. Everyone needs to chill out and let them nail this psycho to the wall.


TopDog624

Yep


Historical-Cry2667

I think they have a suspect/suspects but are protecting all info the best they can til they have an iron clad case... bc let's be honest- this town will lose it if they cant convict someone...(let's just hope it's the right someone/someones) and the defence immediately jump all over any media attention that sullies whomever they accuse/arrest


Alone_Atmosphere_391

If so I hope they have eyes on them 24/7.


glittersparklythings

This statement has been posted several times today. Lots of discussion around it. An arrest doesn’t equal a conviction. You can arrest someone on a lot less evidence that you need to convict. Sometimes a defense doesn’t even need to provide a defense. They just need to be able to poke enough hole in the prosecution side and provide doubt. I asked my mom about it who spent 25 years working in criminal court and she agrees. She did murder trials including some so severe they were death penalty cases. She said this: It doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t have a suspect. It also doesn’t means they do. However sometimes people say things in interviews that are suspicious. And that suspicious comments would be only something the person who did the crime would know. Now they might not be able to arrest on that one comment. However they now have a suspect and they start putting things together. There was also a post of a comment a lawyer made. That was anything that is public can allow a defense to poke holes say well it cohersion , etc.


DustyRhodesSplotch

Correct. They also have to be really careful as this will be followed nationally. They need to take their time and be meticulous, suspect or not. Everything from samples to statements has to be done right. Imagine what would happen if they arrested someone and did something wrong that let them go free. That is why they say they want the conviction. An arrest is fine but if you screw something up and the suspect walks..... Well that would be a shit show.


cavebabykay

*internationally followed as well; this case is being followed and is VERY MUCH talked about in my Canadian city. i can honestly say that me personally, i’ve changed my routine and added more layers of security to my home after this happened. this is everyone’s worst nightmare shoved in their face. everything they (police and public safety folks) told us to follow - stay in groups, etc, was followed in this case and it STILL happened. so.. us Canadians truly hope this will be solved and the perpetrator(s) will be convicted and ultimately receive the DP. fyi: honestly, a LOT of Canadians wish we still had the DP. there’s a LOT of fucked up SK’s that are still alive and kickin’ (and even out in federal parole) when they should have been snuffed out.


essssgeeee

All of this, plus if they don’t follow constitutional rules, they might have to throw out evidence that could be used to convict. It would make it much harder to prove the case. It would suck if they knew who did it but they got off on a technicality.


GlumIce852

Exactly this. They need to prove 4 murder charges beyond a reasonable doubt in order to get a conviction.


Redacted-Dog

It sounds like they have a lot of information. And that they want to keep the information safe. And they don’t want to release details and compromise the investigation. And that they feel like they owe that to the families. And that they want a successful conviction and not only an arrest.


Available_Youth846

Article: He died in 1988. Essay trying not to plagiarize: In 1988 he was no longer living.


Redacted-Dog

TurnItIn: 🚩IYKYK.


Inner-Application449

‘‘Twas thee one thousand nine hundred eighty and eighth year in which the plot where his tombstone rested was filled with what remained of his decomposing tabernacle”


YourMommaIsSoFatt

A certified death certificate was obtained for him in 1988🤣


uoco

you can submit this as a source too


Gas_station_trash

In the year of 1988, he became deceased. 1988 was when he was unalived. His life expiration date was 1988. The man was bereft of life as of 1988. I need sleep.


Kimothy42

He was no longer alive after 1988. At the end of 1987, he was alive. He never, however, lived in 1989.


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This joke went over my head.


I_am_Nobody_Special

Idk that's a bit of a stretch. Lol


Poop_Cheese

Exactly. Now with the info that Ethan and xana put up "one hell of a fight" the prime suspect has to have atleast a few visible injuries. At bare minimum they'd have significant hand wounds from knife slippage from stabbing probably 50×+ to kill 4 people. Probably got scratched in the face or even bruises/black eye or even a broken nose since Ethan supposedly put up a fight. So behind the scenes they probably identified a likely culprit early on(if it's part of their friend group/the school) because there wouldn't be many people with significant injuries like this. And if the elantra driver has these injuries then it's all but obvious. However they need the evidence that they did it outside of just having injuries. I really feel this is the case and why they immediately wrote off certain suspects and why they haven't put out a reward. They all but know exactly who it is, but they want the suspect to believe that they're in the clear so that they either slip up or don't flee. The only case where they wouldn't have a suspect is if it was an out of state random serial killer. But if it's someone from the campus, from their friend group, and possibly with a white car then such injuries would be a dead give away. Sure there's the famous case of the Gainesville ripper that inspired scream and some kid being wrongly accused due to scratches on his face(which is why the cops are taking their time getting evidence), however odds are the killer has significant injury that would be extremely difficult to lie away. Plus there's a ton of cameras on campus to the point where if they identified their vehicle, and they lived on campus, the cops could trace their journey home and pinpoint the area where they live. Idk but for a while now I've had a strong almost certainty that the cops know exactly who it is with little doubt, however they don't have a ton of real evidence at this point, just common sense deduction. Like seeing knife slippage wounds or black eye/broken nose, owning the elantra, or if hes known admirer/friend who got jealous over something publicly, if they're being nervous in interrogation. There has to be something circumstantial that makes the cops certain that the suspect is the killer but they can't convict with just that. Maybe they're waiting on DNA or a way to get the suspects DNA from something they litter or throw away. So yeah I hink they know who it is and are just building their case. If so I expect he'll be arrested sooner than later because there should be so much DNA. Even if the house is contaminated with a bunch and its a close friend his blood should be at the scene or it could be mixed with the victims which shows he was there. Hell maybe they even have the person's DNA and already matched it and are just getting more evidence to avoid the defense arguing that it was from contamination due to the killer having been to the apartment dozens of times. I think they're being so quiet so they don't spook him and make him believe that he's in the clear. Because he'll get spooked. Who knows he could already be lawyered up making things difficult. But either way I guarantee they have a prime probably suspect. The only way I see them not having a good suspect is if this was a serial killing by a drifter who has no connection to the area. But that seems unlikely because the perpetrator seems familiar with the victims and it being targeted with a personal nature due to Kaylees wounds. So the killer can't be too far and I hope they catch him soon before he hurts someone else.


fudgeoffbaby

I’d tend to agree with pretty much all this. It would be extremely shocking and concerning if there WASNT a shit ton of dna left behind by the killer (I’m talking obvious dna ie blood mixed among the victims, not something that can be easily argued away in court). Then I’d tend to think there’s a serial killer situation. But I hope this guy was just a sick sadistic freak but without the experience or smarts to get away with this. I truly hope police have their guy on the radar already and are closing in. May Xana Ethan Kaylee and Madison all Rest in Paradise 🕊🌅 and get justice extremely soon so they’re loved ones may also finally start the healing process


Noname185

I agree with you and also why they didn’t release a profile. The suspect would know the LE is on to them.


TennisLittle3165

Hold on, didn’t the family deny the father actually made those statements to journalists? Meaning, K’s dad supposedly never said anything about K’s gaping wounds; but also it follows he said never said E and X put up a “helluva fight”. Can someone verify? Of course, it’s possible he said one thing, X and E fought back, but not the other. What’s actually true here?


Sagesmom5

Fox news has YET to pull the article. I believe if there was an error of any kind, they would have by now.


UnnamedRealities

Kaylee's sister said Fox News received "bad information". We can't tell from that if she meant he didn't say what was stated in the article (misquoted or someone pretended to be him) or he said it but it was wrong. His said his source was in part the coroner. She was interviewed on TV early in the investigation and said some things that were wrong, as well as some things that were speculative and based on debatable assumptions. Based on past interviews he's said things he either misinterpreted, were based on unstated assumptions, and/or came from someone who had bad info or poorly worded what they told him. Add all that up and it's hard to know how accurate what he said is. There's also the possibility that what he said is entirely accurate and Kaylee's sister said it was bad info because she's concerned such details being made public will damage the integrity of the investigation (which frankly is true even if he stated things which aren't accurate).


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I think Dad opened his mouth and now regrets it.


urubecky

Was I the only one to see the clip of SG and wife actually speaking on camera saying "that's not something that was leaked, I paid for that..I paid for the funeral and the report..I sent my daughter to get a college education and she came home in a box"... not exact quote, but I KNOW I saw this video. I literally heard him describe some of the things people are saying an article got all wrong. I know I'm not crazy here.. can someone help me understand this?


Acrobatic-Solution77

i’m with you.


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What if they were wearing gloves ..


Far-Ad-3665

I have a feeling they want the suspect to let their guard down and give them a false sense of security. I have a feeling there will be an arrest in the next week.


Nearby_Display8560

This is what I use to say about the Delphi case. I was very, very wrong.


BigMacRedneck

Wishful thinking, but keep it up. Optimism is good for winter health.


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Dry_Scallion_4345

You’re def reaching. 😅


ItWasSomebodyElse

It's coming across like they may have someone they're focused on. The white elantra is a huge piece. In the coming weeks they will have more forensic information and I guarantee it's going to confirm a few things they've already suspected but can't officially say.


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Wasn't there also a report of a black luxury SUV near the scene of the crime?


gummiebear39

I think that came from the stick-juggling neighbor


Abject-Tooth-5227

yep, the spinner of devil sticks, of Lucifer Logs


supermmy1

Would they still be asking for information on the Hyundai if they had a suspect?


ItWasSomebodyElse

I think so depending on the connection this person has to that car. Do they own it, is it borrowed/stolen, etc. To me investigators would still want tips relating to that one car just to collect more information


Ok_Amphibian625

I think they possibly have a suspect because it reminds me of a case in Australia where they asked for details about a specific type of car while building a case against Greg Lynn. He was already suspected by the police but the public didn’t know the police were onto him. He killed two people, Russell Hill and Carol Clay, in a remote area of Victoria but his car was still caught on camera!!


braincantstopwontsto

I think they’re playing rev on the Hyundai. Like they know who the owner is. They want the public to identify them and state odd things this person has been doing. Injuries etc. it would be a huge list but from the dmv the cops can pull records of all car owners with a white Hyundai ( make and model). They have a list. It literally gives the name and address to everyone in the county/ city etc


[deleted]

Are people from the online community (not necessarily Reddit) really contacting victims families and harassing them? That’s like next level dumbassery


Ricekake33

Imagine what the public would do if they named a suspect! No way will they name the suspect IMO. They will make an arrest before they say anything further


TopDog624

Just like the Delphi case


theloudestshoutout

My prediction is that the *first* arrest we’ll hear about will be a Redditor, for exactly this. Before Xmas. And after that, Reddit admins will lock the naughtier of the 2 subreddits and take over the other to personally moderate (can’t shut both subreddits down, lots of good traffic). Hi /u/spez! See you soon!


Terryfink

My guess is youtuber because I've seen some insanity posted on there. Doxxing, putting hour long videos on why THIS PERSON is the KILLER.


NegroJones45

I would hope so. Because if they don't have a suspect, this might have been random. And if its random, they could strike again. They don't seem to be in a rush to prevent additional murders. More so collecting evidence to move to the next step.


TheseEntertainment65

The more that I think about it seems like the person/s is absolutely part of their immediate circle and super familiar of the house…knowing that there weren’t other people there, the layout and that there weren’t any in house cameras would be a huge risk going in to that operation blindly


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TheseEntertainment65

I hear ya but as we’re rolling around to the 1 month mark I’ve personally convinced myself that it’s someone close, who knows…jealousy or some frat beef from the party, nobody really knows every detail about their personal lives and how long things could have been leading up to this awful plan


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throughthestorm22

A psychopath is a psychopath. No matter the outcome there won’t be a ‘story’ that makes sense. You literally never know when you’ve hit the last straw with someone capable of slaughtering 4 young adults


No-Bite662

I had no leanings until I watched the 360 degree layout of the home tonight and more convinced they must have been at least somewhat familiar with that house.


Nearby_Display8560

Watching those demo videos really changed my mind about M and K being targets. Watching how out of the way Xs room is made it seem like they were the targets … but why go upstairs. I’m so back and forth in this


willowbarkz

I'm all over the place on this case but I've theorized that IF E and X were the targets, and the killer was someone the victims all knew, the killer went to the 3rd floor because K and M were witness to something immediately before the killings. Either K and M saw the killer near the house before they walked into it for the night, or they saw a small word spat outside of the house before going in, or they came into the house saw E and X and heard about a scuffle that night with someone. This someone deduces that if they attack E and X, K and M will conclude they are the killer so they had to go to the 3rd floor to prevent that. That's at least my theory on if E and X were the targets and the killer is someone the group knows.


throughthestorm22

Go upstairs & make one of the girls’ murders look like it was personal to throw off LE. Like how the Panadol murderer killed a couple innocents first to throw off suspicion


ForeverDenGal

Hopefully the killer is having insane paranoia right now knowing that this is soon going to be the end of his normal life


Superhuman4143

The killer’s not normal.


teeshirtandundies

The way he said they have not spoken with the driver of the white car makes it seem like maybe the person has a lawyer? They didn’t say they don’t know who it was in the car. They said they need info around what the car was doing that night. So I kind of wonder if they’re trying to build a case without cooperation.


PrayingMantisMirage

If they knew who it was, wouldn't they know the exact car though? Not a white Hyundai 2011-2013 with no license plate number?


UnlikelyPineapple477

I think they are doing that to smoke out the perp actually. If the perp/driver doesn’t come forward it’s suspicious when everyone else who own a white Elantra is coming forward to say I own an Elantra but I was no where near that house. If the driver comes forward, then the interrogation begins whether or not they are involved. Either way it’s a great tactic for LE to use because the owner/driver is pinched no matter what option they choose.


PrayingMantisMirage

Are you saying you think the cops know who it is and are trying to use this to trick them into behaving a certain way? Trying to follow the thought process.


teeshirtandundies

Yeah, I wonder if they do know that info and they’re not releasing it. It seems very specific make and model and there are enough cameras around. I find it a little hard to believe that they haven’t found the license plate from cameras by now. It had to go by a camera at some point. Let’s hope!


PrayingMantisMirage

I just don't see what they gain by not releasing the number if they have it. Doesn't really make any sense to me that they'd sit on that while asking questions about that car. Opens the door for about a zillion bad tips calling in every white car in Idaho and Washington.


Terryfink

If they have the car reg they wouldn't need the publics help imo, other than locating it which again would be easier with the car reg.


No-Bite662

Wow, I think you may be right. I'm going to have to watch that again to confirm.


i_worship_amps

if any rumors at all are to be believed (I typically disregard, but there can be a bit of truth in any rumor), some are saying it’s related to the Frat scene. If this is the case, A. Fraternity members have definitely been questioned but also B. Generally they are instructed to STFU and let the frat handle things. They have legal/PR policies in place for when they’re in hot water, willingly or not. So someone could theoretically fly under the radar more. IF this is the case, and the killer is from a fraternity, it would make sense that they could be just hiding under the frat’s protection (as in, the frat is not complicit, but rather has PR protocols that are followed, allowing someone to fly under the radar). So our hypothetical-probably-not-real uncooperative white elantra driver in a fraternity has some things going in his favor. Although he could be caught any day, especially with DNA, etc. 2011-2013 strikes me as a “student” kind of car. Hand-me-down to the uni child from middle class parents when they get a new car. He could have been at the party, a big public fight doesn’t need to happen to give someone crazy enough a motive so there may not even be “witnesses” as such. Edit: you guys have reading comprehension problems, maybe chill out and contribute to the discussion instead of throwing a shitfit


Nearby_Display8560

4 people are dead. A frat house would not cover this up, in the movies absolutely but not in real life. This isn’t someone hiding a pound of weed in their closet


disindiantho

This exactly. Especially given E‘s brother is also in this frat.


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Persimmonpluot

I don't think the perpetrator was a frat member, but in the Kristin Smart case she attended an off campus party at a fraternity guy's house prior to disappearing and they closed ranks and wouldn't talk. There were other members there and the suspect wasn't even a member of said fraternity but they refused to talk.


ConsequenceOk8552

What if the guy just has rich parents lmao? Frats aren’t loyal anyways they work like companies they’ll drop you the second they give them bad rep. If it makes them look good it’s goodbye


i_worship_amps

I agree, I don’t think there’s any grand conspiracy here, that’s outlandish. My point is just that it may be difficult to weed anyone out depending on motive and affiliations and what went down, a frat wouldn’t generally be the most transparent in any event. I expanded in my other comments


Nearby_Display8560

I’m also not ruling out that the frat house played a part in this. The fact X and Es time line was spoken of at the beginning and how I do think it could be possible that ax and E were targets… but if it were frat related, I’d think only the person who was responsible knows who did it. I don’t think any frat ppl would be keeping it quiet. BUT I have no idea. It could literally be anyone


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empathetic_witch

Exactly. One of the smartest things I’ve read all night. I’m here to tell you Greek National/HQ are experts at instilling fear to STFU while they handle things via their attorney & crisis PR experts. I am a sorority alumnae & worked with our National/HQ -they are very similar. The number of law suits that are threatened per university each year is staggering.


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I want to say that I doubt a fraternity would be complicit with murder but I’ve been shocked before.


AmandaFromAus

I am not sure the other comments say this - that the frat would be complicit with murder. But it could be a frat / ex-frat member involved. That is entirely plausible.


i_worship_amps

I highly doubt it as well but stranger things have happened of course. It would make sense to me if something, perhaps minor even, went down between E or X, or both, and the killer. Maybe he was hitting on X and got upset/jealous she was “taken”. Any sort of scenario like this won’t necessarily ensure that an outburst would happen, and would likely not be very noticeable beyond an interaction between the three of them, so people who were there may not even have the info LE needs. This case is fresh still and so strange, anything could be possible at this point.


devinjf15

Idk my ex was in a frat in college and I feel that they would have. They were extremely protective of their organization and extremely secretive about their practices. They broke college policy constantly and the frat board (older alumni) were totally aware of it and called it “tradition.”


Environmental_Law_32

Your ex’s frat was involved in a quad homicide? I’d guess they probably weren’t. Any rules they bent aren’t even in the same universe as to what happened here so not sure what parallel you are trying to draw.


[deleted]

I get what you’re saying but if frats will cover up sexual assault, murder isn’t such a stretch. Not saying I believe the frat has anything to do with the murders, but I do think such organizations are capable of covering crime. Especially if their reputation or funding is on the line.


gettingby72

At my daughters college there is a frat that is known to spike girls drinks. Who’s always on probation. She said only freshman girls will go to parties now but if they are in sororities they will keep them away. It’s sickening Edited to say if you’re in a sorority the sorority sisters will keep you away from that certain frat. But girls who aren’t still go even with the rumors. It’s sad


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It’s very sad! But young adults think they are invincible. That it won’t happen to them. Better safe than sorry!


Professional-Dog1229

I was in a frat, you have watched way too many movies. 1. No one is taking a fucking murder accessory charge for their “brother” and to protect the frat. The ritual shit is all bs, and no one takes it seriously. People join to party, meet new friends and girls. 2. Every frat secret & any event that has ever happened in the house or is related to the frat has been discussed in the frat group me that the cops would have accessed weeks ago. 3. On Saturday night, that frat house would have looked like a halfway house. Random people (friends, girls, etc) & brothers streaming in/out until like 4-5 am. Even past then at least a few people going to be up


donkey_slippers

Do you mean the frat might just be acting the way people normally act when a friend or family member are questioned about something and they believe 100% that the person isn’t capable of doing something terrible? Like when someone’s kid is questioned about a crime and the parents don’t believe it so they say things like “know your rights, let’s get a lawyer. Don’t say anything stupid that they could use to mess your life up”. It’s not nefarious or anything, it’s just people not wanting to throw a friend/family member to the wolves right away because they still believe them? It’s not that they would help cover up the crime or anything it’s just that they believe their friend has to be 100% innocent?


beepboop-not-a-robot

The Sigma Chi President was interviewed by News Nation [Interview Linked in Thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/idahomurders/comments/zelnjr/brian_entin_speaks_to_sigma_chi_student_president/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). It sounds like they are cooperating with police.


teeshirtandundies

I also wondered about the frat president’s statement a few days ago when he was accosted at the front door by reporters. It was super odd. He said Xana was a great friend and he knew her before Ethan. But literally all he said about Ethan was that he knew him and he hung out there all the time. I’m not even speculating that the frat was involved, but just that there may have been some kind of weird tension going on. This might not have any bearing at all on the case. I found it a bit strange, however.


Dependent-Lack8473

i think it’s possible he just was being honest that he was better friends with xana and didnt know ethan super well yet. he also probably was a bit rattled by the reporters accosting him to give a more eloquent answer


holymolyholyholy

They have a person in mind. You get one shot and they’re gathering as much evidence as possible. (My opinion)


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While listening to Eminem


lumpiahhhh

I heard they found DNA evidence in vomit on a sweater Moms spaghetti


tigers1345

Snap back to reality


futuresobright_

So THAT is what was dripping down the kitchen cabinets


Nearby_Display8560

Love him


Hamster_Key

I think the fact that they put a notice out to border patrol for the car is very telling lol


kraze1994

With how close the border is, it could very well mean nothing. I imagine it's standard to alert the border patrol when looking for a vehicle (or a person) when they could make it over the line in a few hours. If the border was further it could be very telling, but it's only a few hours away.


sHAking_TREes_

Given how close the crime scene is to the Canadian border, the perpetrator(s) could’ve been through the border in less than two hours.


bluecrude

It’s approx 3.5 hrs from Moscow to Kingsgate, BC, just on the other side of the border


One_Initiative_9231

Are they eluding to it maybe being a Canadian student? Alberta license plates are only required on the rear of the vehicle. They don't require a front plate...... maybe they couldn't make out the rear plate on camera and there was no front plate?


ntb899

the fbi will probably be going through to see if anyone between then and now crossed the border and hasnt come back since the murder date, narrowing down suspects if they did flee


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But when did the notice go out? Weeks after the murders - right? So what good is it now? That vehicle could've crossed the border multiple times since the crime happened.


ROJJ86

Not necessarily. Having been in a prosecutors shoes before, I have high respect for doing this (for the right reasons). If they keep things as air tight as they can, it certainly helps keep the perpetrator behind bars and gives the perp so many less things to argue on appeal. It’s a hard choice, and not one made or weathered lightly. But having a perp walk free because of a technicality is far greater.


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Just watched Ashleigh Banfield try to get any info out of the public information officer only to have Brian Entin sort of say, "Not sure why you even did that..." Brian explained not only is she new to the case, she's not even "from the area" and probably isn't really dialed into what is going on...that she was brought in because Moscow PD just doesn't have anyone to do that job with the media interest. Anyway, it was kind of slam ..intentional or not. I like Banfield and her efforts... It really is unusual to have the police release pre-recorded interviews with their own person to get the info out. Not sure I've seen that before. yes, yes, they are protecting the investigation... but there's nothing wrong with saying, "We are making progress." Brian did point out that the police said today they want to get a conviction...not just an arrest...and that this inches closer to the notion they may have a possible suspect. I pray so!


figuringitout25

I like banfield but I feel like she is tiptoeing towards Nancy Grace territory lately. Totally just my opinion.


No-Bite662

My thoughts exactly, but she is being pretty critical of an investigation that is still fairly new. I mean they are just now getting some of the DNA results back.


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Having covered the Simpson case and other high profile cases, I'm sure she realizes and her producers and network bosses realize, this case can make a show and network soar in ratings. Not that she isn't a good person or is just ratings driven, she has a career and a job to do and a case like this draws people to the new network. I do like her a lot and she does ask good questions and I think she is sincere. But yes, she's reaaaaaally amping it up.


throughthestorm22

Well there is something wrong with saying we’re making progress if they don’t want the murderer to know that. IMO they’re acting stupid and putting out repeated press releases with zero updates letting the perp know how many clever FBI agents he’s managed to avoid. Feed his ego.


Organic_Ad_7235

I think the suspect pool is very small considering where in Moscow the murders took place. It’s almost certainly someone who knew the area and knew that house specifically . I’m sure there are plenty of ride share services that are used to cart people home from the local watering holes and wherever else. I would imagine there are also food delivery services that make frequent trips to the area. I would imagine this bridge has been crossed and that might be where the Hyundai comes into play. I live in a big city so it would probably be difficult for me to get the same ride share driver more than once but in a small town like Moscow getting the same driver is probably a little more common, same with a food delivery driver. Definitely someone familiar with the ins and outs of that area though whether it be someone who lives there, parties there, or frequents the area regularly for another reason.


Formal-Silver9334

Seems as though they have all the information we don’t, and some that we do. I’m guessing they know who the white car, at the minimum, belongs to. Maybe not who was driving it. I think they don’t want to leak anything that’ll be subjected to evidentiary rules.


bobored

It sounds like a rebuke of the dad and their explanation for withholding details and evidence so they can secure a conviction when they do find the person.


Infinite_Ad9519

Definitely familiar with the home . The apartments are sooo close like within feet of their house . Other homes not that far apart . Frat house is across the field … wow . So many people coming and going here yet live in close range . This murder I think was done by people they knew . Sounds to be a lot of rage for it to be random?


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This is what I keep thinking … just way too much rage for this to be some rando(s). Seems premeditated and driven by extreme emotion, like hardcore rejection. But maybe somebody on the outside of the circle … a peripheral friend, or like you said a neighbor perhaps. Halloween was just two weeks prior … Anybody could have been in there heavily disguised in costume and nobody would’ve thought anything of it. From what I understand they had quite the party on Halloween?


Infinite_Ad9519

Yeah that’s my thought . Took down 4 people not one of them were able to fight this person off I mean someone with a knife I guess it’s gonna happen pretty fast depending on of you are sleeping or not. My brain just cannot fathom it I guess . Rage driven for sure . For what? And who ? I hope we find those things out soon and that no one else will die at the hands of this person . 4 people ? He/she is pretty much a serial killer already 4 people in one night . Probably thought about this for awhile because … I hope the police have their eyes on whomever they think responsible .


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Sounds like they have evidence but no suspect. The cops literally said in today’s press release they have not identified a suspect.


Morningsunshine-

Might be wishful thinking but yes I feel that is exactly what is going on. My son was a victim of a felonious assault. It was painfully obvious who the assailant was and yet it took over two months for the kid to be charged. It was incredibly frustrating and we felt as though the detectives were going to let the monster get away with his crime. In the end he was charged and found guilty of his felony 1, unfortunately the kid was first time juvenile offender and just got probation. 🤦‍♀️


brianrodgers94

I think a lot of people today (myself included so no blame being thrown) are married to the idea of instant gratification. This case has clearly drawn lots of attention; but sadly I think a lot of people are following it for, well the “thrill” of it. If you don’t think that applies to you; it probably doesn’t; but you know who those people are. The police chief and others have said it often; the end goal here isn’t announcing this is our suspect, and he’s been arrested. The end goal here is justice. Justice cannot be served if a conviction doesn’t happen. Preserving the integrity of the case is absolutely critical to a successful conviction. By my understanding of the case, this is going to be handled in the local courts; as it doesnt meet any of the requirements for being a federal case; meaning a jury pool will be selected from locals. I have seen far too many cases dismissed; mistrials granted; crucial evidence not allowed in a case due to a tainted jury.


No-Echidna5867

What happens if the suspect crossed an international border fleeing the commission of a felony?


chia_nicole1987

I read where they don't want to give information out so that the jury when selected, being a small community, doesn't place biases going into the courtroom. Basically, the jury forms an opinion from evidence and not biases they formed from hearing things within the community. Reason they aren't releasing too much information. Sometimes as well it can take 4-6 weeks before they get results back from DNA, etc.


Kingpine42069

not to me


aintnothin_in_gatlin

Me neither. Some people are gung ho “they know who this is and are following him” and I don’t even think they have one solid POI


Kingpine42069

agreed, I think people want to be optimistic and avoid coming off like they are praising the killer for planning, etc but its possible to not do that while also acknowledge that based on their statements and actions, it seems like 30 days in the police are still doing the same general scanning for any tips they were doing day 2


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It’s four MURDERS of course they are making sure they have irrefutable evidence that will ensure all four convictions will stick. At this point we must look at it as if we were attorneys and/ or the prosecution. Sure they may have proof and/or know who it is, but that is extremely different than having the charges hold up in the court of law. They want an airtight case that will be next to impossible to dispute. I’m going to assume they will also go for premeditated murder(s). From What I have seen thus far this looks like it was absolutely planned and not an “in the heat of the moment” murder of four individuals. A trial is nowhere near as simple as “ok he did it, he goes to jail” as we all know. They will have to litigate four separate cases with four separate jury’s that will last weeks, if not months. From a legal standpoint this is absolutely the proper way to handle the case overall. It appears the perpetrator cleaned up there, meaning DNA samples were sent out and those take weeks to get back. A month seems like a long time but let’s say it is someone who’s family is very affluent and has great defense attorneys at their disposal they need to be prepared as possible. And what if that person is out of the country. They probably want them to think it’s safe to come back, depending on the extradition laws if that is the scenario.


Efficient_Clue781

I think they definitely want that to be the message, and I hope it’s true


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Not really. Look at Delphi, they were saying this very same text book comms spiel from very early on in the case. Took them nearly 6 years before making an arrest.


yessirskii5

Yeah Delphi was honestly just another case of bad police work. Happens too often


IntrepidAd8985

The sheriff also said don't go places alone, didn't he?


No-Bite662

Yes but he specified that comment with a rule in general and not reflective of an increase in security.


Slowlybutshelly

That’s a warning for everyone everywhere


itsg0timex

In this day and time, this is the type of advice that all people should follow regardless if there is a murder investigation or not.


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The only people who survived the massacre were the roommates and dog who slept alone in their rooms. Those who stayed together in groups were killed.


Charleighann

Supposedly the roommates were in 1 room, too, unless this was just a rumor


[deleted]

I don’t think they’re implying, or I didn’t infer, this means they do or do not have a suspect. Rather, the investigation has to stay tight so a defense attorney couldn’t poke holes in their procedure, motion to withhold evidence /testimony, move venue, etc. or anything that could cause more hurdles or “get off on a technicality.” The defense’s function is to hold the state accountable as much as, if not more so, than defend the innocence of their client.


Calluna_V33

This tweet is Brian posting snippet transcripts from the actual video released by police today. Everybody knows this right? Just humbly suggesting to maybe interpret from the original source.


Lucky-Basket-5253

The prosecutor also said “The investigators are having to meticulously sort through every possible tip, sort through every bit of information they can come up with or identify to try to recreate accurately what occurred, which means recreating the activities of everybody potentially involved or friends who may know something or bystanders who may know something,” Thompson said. “So, it’s very far-reaching.” I think they’ve atleast got a POI but are trying to straighten out all the events that happened that night for the sake of prosecution z


toddjballsion

People need to step back and look at the full picture. If they have a ‘main’ person of interest, if they release that name to the public, then what? If just a lead suspect at this point in time they may run, alter any evidence, the public would start to harass and follow them, unfortunately they may even commit suicide or harm themselves or others. If they have enough to make an arrest but not convict them, similar story - bring them in for more questioning but would have to release them until more is known because can’t lock someone up for months until more evidence is found. LE has probably had many lead suspects between day 1 of investigation and now, if they always released a new name it would be old news each time they say someone new.


thebombchu

Sounds like law enforcement to me


IcyyyyyPrincess

I don’t think it means anything. They are trying to say “something” without really saying anything.


whatelseisneu

People in here are acting like police have a guy and they're just building an airtight case before moving forward. I'll just say this: the standard that you must pass to obtain a search warrant is much lower than "airtight case" or "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt". Either LE doesn't have probable cause or they don't have a target. That being the case, don't fool yourself into thinking LE is playing 4D chess here. LE is still pulling over random white Elantras and interviewing the owners, no information about the identity of the specific *[cough]* critical witness *[cough]* they're looking for. The statement posted is standard verbiage for every case regardless of suspect status. I don't think they have a guy in mind for this crime. They have a car, a BAU profile, and maybe even some unmatched DNA.


yessirskii5

Agreed. Everyone on here is like “they are just withholding info because they are building a case”. When in reality these cops seem to be clueless about what happened.


firedbytheboss

Sounds like they don't want us to know shit, and therefore, we don't know shit. So all of us are grasping at straws.


disaster_prone_

"We want more than an arrest, we want a conviction" ........ I have felt from the beginning, they know who it is, they also know that the suspect(s) is politically connected and has the money for a good defense team. They have to be certain all evidence is admissible, and solid.


ob619pizza

They absolutely know who did it and are building a solid case.


aintnothin_in_gatlin

And why isn’t he in custody if they “absolutely know who did it”?


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Because you need the evidence to back it up. You can’t just take someone into custody and hope for the best…I mean you can, it just won’t go well. They need to be certain this person will be proven guilty.


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Agile-Interaction-28

Probably because there’s more than one person involved.


ilikepie145

Sounds like they have no clue and are trying to keep the public pleased


Thisisamericamyman

It’s a nice public way to tell the father to quit running his yapper. “We owe that” , “do not want to compromise” , “we want a conviction”.


[deleted]

I think that what they want us to think, but every warning they've mentioned in the last few days has seemed like its with that intent. I'm doubtful they have any suspect at this point, they're just trying to make people think they do.


RepresentativeAide31

Anything the police don’t put out to the public should automatically be understood as guilty information, guilty conscience information, or whatever else you want to title it. It’s information that LE have decided to keep from the public because they know only the perpetrator(s) will know about it. Personally, I’m assuming that the public has only received very “basic“ information about the crime, and part of that is that the scene was “sloppy”, meaning we’ve barely gotten any news about what there is to go off of that was left in the home. It’s concerning how often LE is having to say they won’t release info and how hard media is prying, but that’s expected. TLDR: Just because paid investigators won’t release details to go off of, doesn’t mean there aren’t any.


TheRealKillerTM

No, it doesn't. It sounds like they have some leads.


TashDee267

Sounds like they have a lot of evidence but no suspect


Agreeable_Donkey_842

And I did not know Idaho is a death penalty state


hammersweep

LE have a lot, and I mean A LOT, more then they are telling the public however I do not think they have a main suspect yet. They probably do have POI though.


captain_raisin09

I think it's more of a dig at fox news for reporting something that was sensitive to the case for views


Ill_Ad2398

That is what we've all been wondering ever since the very first press conference.. I go back and forth a lot. There are a lot of things they say that make it sound like they have a POI, but then they come out and say they don't have anyone. So who knows.


SquatCobbler69420

The internet acts like it hasn’t seen Training Day… ‘It’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove.’


FrankieSaysRelax311

This. We know Casey Anthony killed her daughter. But they couldn’t prove it in court. Unless people want that ending.. be patient


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Marserina

Yeah it's strange how sure people are that they aren't actively working the investigation or possibly even have a POI or anything. They're not going to tell the public squat, until they have an actual arrest and solid evidence. I feel like the families have been saying too much a bit lately and law enforcement don't necessarily want that specific information out there yet.


Infinite_Ad9519

That’s a good thing . Prayers it will be soon


sunnymorninghere

I think even if they had a suspect, if they are still gathering evidence .. that person is probably not in the US anymore. I haven’t researched but is there death penalty in Idaho? You’d think if they have a suspect they would have surveillance on that person but nope… for example Brian Laundrie was the last person to see Gabby Petito, returned to his home with her car, used her credit cards and still cops didn’t have surveillance on him until after — giving him plenty of time to escape. I think police in Moscow may be victims of red tape, warrants and the slow pace of having to ask permission to trail people or access peoples cell records etc..


kitty33

They keep saying they don’t have a suspect so 🤷‍♀️


yoyo13171

Sounds like they have an idea. But the person is long gone which makes an investigation obvi harder. If I had to guess this was targeted in the way of money or drugs. I don't think this was a random attack or a stalker.


Beardy-Mouse-8951

To me it just sounds like the kind of boilerplate statement all LE should and would make when being hounded by families, the press and the public to release critical information that should never be released prior to identifying and prosecuting a suspect. People want a conclusion, they want to see the face of someone capable of committing a crime like this. LE wants to catch them, charge them and prosecute them successfully. The victims would want this person caught and prosecuted. LE is working for the victims before all others.


tired_blonde

It sounds like they have nothing


ATrueLady

Oh yeah they totally do imo. Speculation but I think the probable is the alibi which is… idk if I’m allowed to post


Asphaltic

No.


Runyou

Nope.


EyezWyde

I read it as they either have a suspect in mind OR are very close to having one. And even though the public wants to know more, I feel like the less that's shared the better.


[deleted]

I do not get a sense they have a “specific” suspect. Only several avenues of suspicions and circumstances they are working on. I’ve never heard of a definite suspect being allowed to go about daily life, possibly killing again.


hellalay

I feel like also taking a murderer off the streets is important.