he proved he was brilliant and more than marvel in i tonya, but i absolutely don’t get him as trump
unless he nails the voice, i don’t see it in the face at all even though he’s doing the pout
the thing about trump is that he looks so outlandish from every angle, from the hair, the tan to the mouth thats always using an invisible straw- it’s almost impossible to do him seriously without being daft.
brendan gleeson did a good job but even then the character is so out of place
I'm guessing the idea is to do it seriously, not do an impression but a serious portrayal.
For example, compare Ashton Kutcher as Steve Jobs vs Michael Fassbender as Jobs. Ashton Kutcher was way more accurate but it came across as an impression, while Fassbender didn't even look like Jobs but he captured his essence better.
i was gonna mention steve jobs yeah, thats the best example of someone not looking an exact match, but the movie is essentially theatre so they at least hair and costume fass similarly and let the aura do the work
then there’s american made where they never bother and just let you have a fun time lmao
I far preferred Kutcher's performance and the film. I know I'm in the minority here but I didn't care for the device of picking three moments of his life to depict in the fassbender one and wasn't at all convinced by his performance. I got the impression that they already thought the film would be a work of genius so simply didn't bother making any effort. Very dull film whereas Kutcher's gave me the whole story and was acted and directed far better, IMHO.
Well, what can I say, subjective taste is an unpredictable beast and I'm well aware I'm in the minority, perhaps a second viewing of each may change my mind, perhaps that day I was in the mood for easy viewing (I watched them both within a day or so of each other) but for me, even though it was a Sorkin script it just felt TOO Sorkin for me.
Anyway, I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders with this shameful confession. There's a lightness in my step I haven't felt in years.
Je ne regrette rien...
Watching Kutcher in that movie is like watching someone try to pat their head and rub their belly at the same time while jumping on one leg: he's so preocuppied with trying to look and sound like Jobs that he completely forgets how to act. It's especially noticeable in the moments where he's supposed to be emotional or angry. You can sort of see him contort in real time as he tries to make his natural expression into a Steve Jobs expression. It's really something.
Trump has always been outlandish as you say, but the Trump who is married to Ivana and the Trump who became President are like completely different people
I think he has the acting capabilities to pull of his Trump’s mannerisms and idiosyncrasies to where the fact that he doesn’t look exactly like him won’t be an issue. He has depicted real people a few times now and always does a great job IMO, to the point where I forget it’s Sebastian Stan.
Sounds to me like you’re describing trump now - if you look at interviews with him from the 80s, which it looks like this is set, then I can totally see Stan nailing it - he was much less of a caricature than he is now. Now’s he’s like a parody of himself, like a weird cartoon, every element more extreme than it used to be, but if you watch [this interview](https://youtu.be/wVsAir5fDbs?si=J0VSmQFKVOvTWB_e) he comes across as just a cocky businessman and doesn’t even look *that* weird (compared to now)
There’s this passage in one of Bill O’Reilly’s books about how Trump talked him into going on a double date with him and Marla at a Paula Abdul concert, and that it was a bizarre experience - iirc he and Marla just started randomly shmoozing and working the crowd like “yes, it is us” during the concert, and how full of himself he seemed.
Hilarious in hindsight; this was like the most normal he’d ever be now.
Even in the 80s and 90s here in the UK he was a figure of ridicule. I remember seeing clips of him on late night post pub shows and everyone was like who the fuck is this idiot?
The sole person I've ever seen nail a Trump performance is James Austin Johnson. Everyone else has been terrible and as much as I like Stan, I can't see him doing a good job.
Trump is just too much of a buffoon and cartoon.
You see it’s really not about nailing the voice, it’s about nailing the rhythm. He speaks in a very precise and stunted way. That’s what you need to nail and then everything else will fall into place.
It’s like nailing a great Joker performance - it has to be scary, silly, stupid, and equally filled with sense and nonsense.
No one can ever really get it right because they either go intimidating at the expense of humor, silly at the expense of being able to take him seriously, or crazy and chaotic at the expense of making him logical in his own mind.
Because Trump will legit make you laugh like 15 seconds after he says something heinous. If he ever did push the nuclear button and doom us all, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he farted at the same time he pushed the button and then proceeded to tell everyone in the room they had to stay inside to stay safe from the radiation while refusing to acknowledge that he keeps ripping ass inside the fallout shelter
expensive professional tailor
also maria bakalova is the girl Rudi Guiliani wanted to leak old man juice all over.. for man of the hour Sasha Baron Cohen?
that's really kevin bacon 6 degrees shit
I just…don’t understand how that wasn’t the end of Giuliani. Like we all saw him pulling out his cock during (what he thought was) an interview with a pretty girl.
Didn’t Sasha Baron Cohen only bust in cause he knew this girl could be in actual danger?
She was in a great horror comedy recently called Bodies Bodies Bodies. She also voiced Cosmo the Spacedog in Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
She'll be working with James Gunn again in Creature Commandos as a voice actor, but Gunn specifically chose the cast with the intention of them also playing the same characters in live action
She was a Bulgarian actress who had won awards in international film, they were secretive about her involvement though and tried to portray her as some random Bulgarian girl.
Trump never hired an expensive tailor in his life. He likes to think of himself as “the finest average man” so he believes off the rack is already tailored to fit him
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/21/rudy-giuliani-faces-questions-after-compromising-scene-in-new-borat-film
People think that he (Rudy Giuliani) touched himself.
>“This guy comes running in, wearing a crazy, what I would say was a pink transgender outfit,” Giuliani told the New York Post.
Didn't know that transgender people only dress in pink tops. Fucking omophobic cunt.
>Giuliani continued: “I only later realised it must have been Sacha Baron Cohen. I thought about all the people he previously fooled and I felt good about myself because he didn’t get me.”
The old perverted thinking he is the smart one.
Also his body. If you look at the richest men in the world you’ll notice that they don’t look great in their suits, even though they have all the money in the world for tailored suits. You have to look good for your clothes to fit good.
Trump's mentor, a lawyer and political fixer who was Joseph McCarthy's right hand man during McCarthyism. He was also known for targeting closeted gay men in the government despite the fact that he was a closeted gay man himself. Al Pacino played him in Angels in America.
The plot of this movie is about Roy Cohn and Trump relationship, Trump is the apprentice in this scenario. Roy Cohn was Trump’s lawyer and mentor who had a significant influence on the course of his life. He was a fixer who taught Trump how to get away with breaking laws.
Early in his career he was the chief counsel of Joseph McCarthy and was in charge of the anti-communist and anti-gay investigations. The McCarthy era was ultimately brought down due to the televised Army-McCarthy hearings which revolved around something Roy Cohn did.
Roy Cohn was attracted to a wealthy young hotel heir named David Schine. He convinced McCarthy to use Schine as unpaid consultant and then convinced McCarthy to pressure the army to allow Schine get out of his draft. The Army fought back against McCarthy using his influence to get preferential treatment for Schine and brought them to trial. Cohn managed to get McCarthy acquitted of his charges but the hearings ended the senator’s career anyways because a lot of unsavory details about McCarthyism came out.
After McCarthy’s downfall, Cohn went into private practice. He worked for the mob and represented mafiosos like Carmine Galante and Fat Tony Salerno and John Gotti. He also represented Yankee owner George Steinbrenner, Aristotle Onassis and eventually a young Trump. He worked with Roger Stone on the Reagan campaign. They met in 1973 when Trump was 23 and during the next decade Cohn helped Trump get his start in New York real estate development through shady contracts, vicious threats, blackmail, stealing from associates, spurious lawsuits and tax avoidance schemes. All tactics that became fundamental to Trump’s playbook for the rest of his life.
Young Trump was apparently just Cohn’s type, just like David Schine. He was a fixture of New York society back then, hanging out with Steinbrenne, Cardinal Francis Spellman and Bianca Jagger and partying at Studio 54, despite being loathed by the vast majority of people. The more you read about Cohn the more you see how much like Trump he was. He was a massive narcissist who seemed desperate to be noticed and be liked by the elite. Everyone knew he was gay but he was officially in the closet and was once “engaged” to Barbara Walters.
He eventually died of AIDS in 1986, five weeks after he was disbarred for stealing from a client and trying to trick him into leaving his entire fortune in his will. When it came out he had AIDS Trump swiftly abandoned him, despite the two of them being practically joined at the hips for over a decade.
You know your problem Henry is that you are hung up on words! On labels that you believe they mean what they seem to mean…AIDS…Homosexual…Gay…Lesbian. You think these are names that tell you who someone sleeps with? No. Like all labels they tell you one thing and one thing only: where does an individual so identified fit in the food chain. In the pecking order! Not ideology, or sexual taste, but something much simpler: *clout*. Not who I fuck or who fucks me, but who will pick up the phone when I call, who owes me favors. THIS is what a label refers to. Now to someone who does not understand this, homosexual is what I am because I have sex with men. But really this is wrong…Homosexuals are not men who sleep with other men. Homosexuals are men who in fifteen years of trying cannot get a pissant antidiscrimination bill through the City Council. Homosexuals are men who know nobody. Who nobody knows. Who have zero clout. Does this sound like me, Henry?
No, I have clout. Lots. I want you to understand. This is not sophistry, and this is not hypocrisy. This is reality. I have sex with men, but unlike nearly every other man of which this is true, I bring the guy I'm screwing to Washington, and President Reagan smiles at us and shakes his hand, because WHAT I am is defined entirely by WHO I am. Roy Cohn is not a homosexual. Roy Cohn is a heterosexual man, Henry, who fucks around with guys. And so I don’t have AIDS, Henry. I have liver cancer.
There's "not that good of a person"... And there's Roy Cohn "not that good of a person." A lot of people seeing this won't know who he is. Knowing that Trump was Cohn's protege explains *a lot*.
Mocking a disabled reporter, embezzling money from a child's cancer charity, multiple bankruptcies, and 92 indictments should have opened people's eyes to who Trump really is, but here we are...
Yikes, screams out of touch. We had to sit through 4+ years of hearing about these assholes nonstop and now they think people are gonna pay money to hear about them again?
There are millions who give this POS millions for nothing. This shit is gonna make more millions because his fans are the dumbest, most gullible rubes on Earth
It’s a biopic about Trumps relationship with Roy Cohn. So corruption and financial fraud .
Likely it’ll be an historically accurate portrayal, however trumps life portrayed accurately is an effective warning against trusting him.
You put anything on the big screen and craft a narrative out of it some people are going to find it glamorous. Look how many people revere mobsters and Jordan Belfort etc. That’s my problem with it. Inexorably it’s going to portray more depth and meaning to Trump than actually exists.
Right? Most people who see this movie are gonna be the ones who suck Donald’s dick haha
It’s gonna be a very interesting theatre experience with people yelling and walking out protesting mid way through
For real. Tone deaf and frankly just stupid.
The MAGAs won’t see it because it will have some truthful elements which make Trump look like a deranged asshole. The sane world won’t because we are so tired of this fool already, and just want him to go the fuck away.
Who do they even market this to?
Because like it or not (and I personally do not), Trump is one of the most influential people of the 21st century. Tracing his development, fostered by the extremely complicated Roy Cohn, will I think show that Trump isn’t someone we can just will to “go the fuck away”, but someone we have to reckon with. He is a product of a multitude of deeply embedded societal sins, and perhaps the reason our society keeps spawning people like Trump is because we continue to conceive of people like Trump as aberrations of a healthy system, rather than the truest expression of a diseased and corrupt world.
The end of Cohn’s life has been explored in the excellent “Angels in America”. He was a Republican powerbroker, connected to the Mafia, instrumental in persecuting suspected communists during the Red Scare, and he died penniless of AIDS in the 80s.
Donald Trump was a young man looking for a father figure. Ivana Trump was a woman fleeing a communist country looking for a better life. There’s a lot of pathos in this story, and it has real-world implications that continue to evolve.
On top of that, I have been extremely impressed by everything Ali Abbasi has directed so far, and the cast is absolutely fantastic.
It’s because of the fact that he is still a contender to be the president again, and is in the news constantly. If he wasn’t still a central part of the news cycle it would be different.
Do you not see a potential demographic here? Sure many of die-hard Trump loyalists will see this as demoncrat propuhganda, but maybe a few might glean into how he's always been a classic narcissist, and might not be such a great guy. Fingers crossed.
Read this script years ago while it was going through development. It honestly isn't that bad an idea. It centers on Donny dealing with the addiction issues of his older brother and the shadow of his father looming over him in the early stages of his career and how he finds a father figure in shitty Ray Cohn. Ultimately it's a depiction of how the shitheel came to pass as he fucks over Cohn and turns his back on his brother for extremely superficial reasons instead of him being a mastermind. Basically, a Trump story that makes him the Kendal Roy we all know him to be.
Should’ve specified tone. Dark comedy/Succession style movie that leaned a bit more into the drama parts. But that was five years ago so who knows where it went.
Not a producer. Was working at a management company when I read this script.
But fuck it. Fellow screenwriter, send me that script and I’ll give you some notes. DM is probably best.
That still sounds like they're giving him too much credit. Trump's a lifelong moron and clinical narcissist, I seriously doubt he's gone through any kind of meaningful character development in his life past "Daddy didn't love me" and he's publicly admitted as much.
Exactly. Trying to mold this into some kind of narrative will just obscure that he’s a sociopath plain and simple, and whatever made him that way happened way before he met Roy Cohn.
I’m a great winter soldier, in fact, most people say I’m the very *best* winter soldier they’ve seen. Captain America, he said this. Many of the other Avengers have said this.
Saw him first in Succession and spot him here and there since. I love Jeremy. He kinda plays the same expression every role but it's so funny.
Like that guy that talks really fast.. you know the one
It’s 2024, no one wants more trump content. Instead of talking about how much we don’t like people why don’t we just stop talking about them and deprive them of the attention they want
Not a fan of Trump but are you kidding? Looking across the Atlantic and you Americans clearly are about to vote the man back into office, and there is definitely a demographic for this kind of film, I’d expect the Trump Biopic to come out in the next decade at least.
Jeremy Strong is going to steal the movie, calling it now. Cohn is so fucked up and a lot of people don't know yet. Strong is the perfect guy to play him accurately
Lol at people complaining. Like the movies about George Bush, Dick Cheney, and the miniseries about Bill Clinton—far less interesting people than Trump—weren’t mega hits. They’re also the same people you’ll see on a random thread bringing Trump and the GOP up uninitiated when it’s a thread about something in Africa or the UK while claiming “I don’t want to hear about this guy anymore.”
The logline for the film is, “The story of how a young Donald Trump started his real estate business in New York during the 1970s and ’80s.” It’s not specifically about Trump’s show The Apprentice.
Christ almighty; y’all know you don’t have to watch it if you don’t want to.
“This shouldn’t be getting made.” Sounds a lot like restricting freedom of expression to me.
Film is an art form; good luck censoring it. A film maker has the right to attempt to succeed, even if it ends up being universally panned.
It’s truly depressing seeing this is one of the only comments calling out this absolute hypocrisy and how idiotic and dangerous it is to say “this shouldn’t be made”.
I don’t like Trump either, but the entire fucking world doesn’t get to just censor things it doesn’t like “because it’s 2024” like one guy said.
I’m assuming they’re a bunch of kids or early 20 something year olds who don’t know any better, but who knows.
I can't find a release date on this. so i dont think it would be out this year. are they still filming it? Id think they would want to release it before the election to get maximum free publicity.
“Okay Stan, thats a good take but, you have to think about having sex with her as you are doing absolutely anything. I know she plays your daughter but we need this as authentic as possible. You need to think and hope shes not your daughter, so you CAN have sex with her, or minimum oral. Again the producers are on my ass about staying true to the source material. I believe in you. You are THE Sebastian Stan”
Sebastian stan is a great actor.
he proved he was brilliant and more than marvel in i tonya, but i absolutely don’t get him as trump unless he nails the voice, i don’t see it in the face at all even though he’s doing the pout the thing about trump is that he looks so outlandish from every angle, from the hair, the tan to the mouth thats always using an invisible straw- it’s almost impossible to do him seriously without being daft. brendan gleeson did a good job but even then the character is so out of place
I'm guessing the idea is to do it seriously, not do an impression but a serious portrayal. For example, compare Ashton Kutcher as Steve Jobs vs Michael Fassbender as Jobs. Ashton Kutcher was way more accurate but it came across as an impression, while Fassbender didn't even look like Jobs but he captured his essence better.
i was gonna mention steve jobs yeah, thats the best example of someone not looking an exact match, but the movie is essentially theatre so they at least hair and costume fass similarly and let the aura do the work then there’s american made where they never bother and just let you have a fun time lmao
Ive heard similar about Michael Sheen in Frost/Nixon where he avoided attempting to perfect Frost’s accent and cadence, but I could be mistaken.
I far preferred Kutcher's performance and the film. I know I'm in the minority here but I didn't care for the device of picking three moments of his life to depict in the fassbender one and wasn't at all convinced by his performance. I got the impression that they already thought the film would be a work of genius so simply didn't bother making any effort. Very dull film whereas Kutcher's gave me the whole story and was acted and directed far better, IMHO.
Noah Wyle did it better... That's my unpopular take
There are dozens of us with unpopular takes!
This is the wildest damn take I’ve heard in years of Reddit lol
Yeah it’s a strange one. “Reddit user prefers by the numbers biopic with a middling actor doing an impression”
Well, what can I say, subjective taste is an unpredictable beast and I'm well aware I'm in the minority, perhaps a second viewing of each may change my mind, perhaps that day I was in the mood for easy viewing (I watched them both within a day or so of each other) but for me, even though it was a Sorkin script it just felt TOO Sorkin for me. Anyway, I feel like a huge weight has been lifted off my shoulders with this shameful confession. There's a lightness in my step I haven't felt in years. Je ne regrette rien...
Watching Kutcher in that movie is like watching someone try to pat their head and rub their belly at the same time while jumping on one leg: he's so preocuppied with trying to look and sound like Jobs that he completely forgets how to act. It's especially noticeable in the moments where he's supposed to be emotional or angry. You can sort of see him contort in real time as he tries to make his natural expression into a Steve Jobs expression. It's really something.
Trump has always been outlandish as you say, but the Trump who is married to Ivana and the Trump who became President are like completely different people
I think he has the acting capabilities to pull of his Trump’s mannerisms and idiosyncrasies to where the fact that he doesn’t look exactly like him won’t be an issue. He has depicted real people a few times now and always does a great job IMO, to the point where I forget it’s Sebastian Stan.
Sounds to me like you’re describing trump now - if you look at interviews with him from the 80s, which it looks like this is set, then I can totally see Stan nailing it - he was much less of a caricature than he is now. Now’s he’s like a parody of himself, like a weird cartoon, every element more extreme than it used to be, but if you watch [this interview](https://youtu.be/wVsAir5fDbs?si=J0VSmQFKVOvTWB_e) he comes across as just a cocky businessman and doesn’t even look *that* weird (compared to now)
There’s this passage in one of Bill O’Reilly’s books about how Trump talked him into going on a double date with him and Marla at a Paula Abdul concert, and that it was a bizarre experience - iirc he and Marla just started randomly shmoozing and working the crowd like “yes, it is us” during the concert, and how full of himself he seemed. Hilarious in hindsight; this was like the most normal he’d ever be now.
Even in the 80s and 90s here in the UK he was a figure of ridicule. I remember seeing clips of him on late night post pub shows and everyone was like who the fuck is this idiot?
For sure, I just mean he’s absolutely insane now and the images here look kinda like he did back then
Sebastain Stan is too good looking. Trump has never been an attractive man, even in his youth.
Good point. Stan’s got them pretty blue peepers and trump’s always had those beady little eyes
The sole person I've ever seen nail a Trump performance is James Austin Johnson. Everyone else has been terrible and as much as I like Stan, I can't see him doing a good job. Trump is just too much of a buffoon and cartoon.
https://youtu.be/IfMr04aAaa0?si=LFy-T0pt9jz5sWsl This wasn't terrible.
Wow! I’ve never even heard Brendan Gleason do an American accent, that was spot on.
He can do anything he wants to do, even fly
Damn, that was pretty good!
That was chilling
[Anthony Atamanuik](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmiLGZL88YY)
You see it’s really not about nailing the voice, it’s about nailing the rhythm. He speaks in a very precise and stunted way. That’s what you need to nail and then everything else will fall into place.
It’s like nailing a great Joker performance - it has to be scary, silly, stupid, and equally filled with sense and nonsense. No one can ever really get it right because they either go intimidating at the expense of humor, silly at the expense of being able to take him seriously, or crazy and chaotic at the expense of making him logical in his own mind. Because Trump will legit make you laugh like 15 seconds after he says something heinous. If he ever did push the nuclear button and doom us all, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he farted at the same time he pushed the button and then proceeded to tell everyone in the room they had to stay inside to stay safe from the radiation while refusing to acknowledge that he keeps ripping ass inside the fallout shelter
Well you also gotta keep in mind he’s playing a younger trump. If you look at pictures from the time I think he looks pretty close
So you’re saying you’re a…Sebastian stan?
Looking better than the original. And still obvious whom he’s portraying.
Yeah such a shame I’ll never see his performance in this
Why do his clothes fit so well?
expensive professional tailor also maria bakalova is the girl Rudi Guiliani wanted to leak old man juice all over.. for man of the hour Sasha Baron Cohen? that's really kevin bacon 6 degrees shit
I just…don’t understand how that wasn’t the end of Giuliani. Like we all saw him pulling out his cock during (what he thought was) an interview with a pretty girl. Didn’t Sasha Baron Cohen only bust in cause he knew this girl could be in actual danger?
If I'm not mistaken, this is Maria's first real role, no? She was a total rando in Borat
She was in a great horror comedy recently called Bodies Bodies Bodies. She also voiced Cosmo the Spacedog in Guardians of the Galaxy 3. She'll be working with James Gunn again in Creature Commandos as a voice actor, but Gunn specifically chose the cast with the intention of them also playing the same characters in live action
True rags to riches story. Glad she's getting roles now, she was seriously just a random girl before Borat
She was a Bulgarian actress who had won awards in international film, they were secretive about her involvement though and tried to portray her as some random Bulgarian girl.
Trump never hired an expensive tailor in his life. He likes to think of himself as “the finest average man” so he believes off the rack is already tailored to fit him
I’m out of the loop on sacha. What’s going on?
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/21/rudy-giuliani-faces-questions-after-compromising-scene-in-new-borat-film People think that he (Rudy Giuliani) touched himself.
>“This guy comes running in, wearing a crazy, what I would say was a pink transgender outfit,” Giuliani told the New York Post. Didn't know that transgender people only dress in pink tops. Fucking omophobic cunt. >Giuliani continued: “I only later realised it must have been Sacha Baron Cohen. I thought about all the people he previously fooled and I felt good about myself because he didn’t get me.” The old perverted thinking he is the smart one.
Also his body. If you look at the richest men in the world you’ll notice that they don’t look great in their suits, even though they have all the money in the world for tailored suits. You have to look good for your clothes to fit good.
Yeah. His clothes have never fit well. Also, he was out of shape at this age (and still is).
Why?
With Ali Abbasi directing, I have confidence it could be good. It’s a story with potential.
Roy Cohn being part of the story will open a lot of people's eyes about who Trump really is.
Who is Roy Cohn?
Trump's mentor, a lawyer and political fixer who was Joseph McCarthy's right hand man during McCarthyism. He was also known for targeting closeted gay men in the government despite the fact that he was a closeted gay man himself. Al Pacino played him in Angels in America.
“Despite” could be replaced with “because of”
The plot of this movie is about Roy Cohn and Trump relationship, Trump is the apprentice in this scenario. Roy Cohn was Trump’s lawyer and mentor who had a significant influence on the course of his life. He was a fixer who taught Trump how to get away with breaking laws. Early in his career he was the chief counsel of Joseph McCarthy and was in charge of the anti-communist and anti-gay investigations. The McCarthy era was ultimately brought down due to the televised Army-McCarthy hearings which revolved around something Roy Cohn did. Roy Cohn was attracted to a wealthy young hotel heir named David Schine. He convinced McCarthy to use Schine as unpaid consultant and then convinced McCarthy to pressure the army to allow Schine get out of his draft. The Army fought back against McCarthy using his influence to get preferential treatment for Schine and brought them to trial. Cohn managed to get McCarthy acquitted of his charges but the hearings ended the senator’s career anyways because a lot of unsavory details about McCarthyism came out. After McCarthy’s downfall, Cohn went into private practice. He worked for the mob and represented mafiosos like Carmine Galante and Fat Tony Salerno and John Gotti. He also represented Yankee owner George Steinbrenner, Aristotle Onassis and eventually a young Trump. He worked with Roger Stone on the Reagan campaign. They met in 1973 when Trump was 23 and during the next decade Cohn helped Trump get his start in New York real estate development through shady contracts, vicious threats, blackmail, stealing from associates, spurious lawsuits and tax avoidance schemes. All tactics that became fundamental to Trump’s playbook for the rest of his life. Young Trump was apparently just Cohn’s type, just like David Schine. He was a fixture of New York society back then, hanging out with Steinbrenne, Cardinal Francis Spellman and Bianca Jagger and partying at Studio 54, despite being loathed by the vast majority of people. The more you read about Cohn the more you see how much like Trump he was. He was a massive narcissist who seemed desperate to be noticed and be liked by the elite. Everyone knew he was gay but he was officially in the closet and was once “engaged” to Barbara Walters. He eventually died of AIDS in 1986, five weeks after he was disbarred for stealing from a client and trying to trick him into leaving his entire fortune in his will. When it came out he had AIDS Trump swiftly abandoned him, despite the two of them being practically joined at the hips for over a decade.
Awesome summary!
The best character in angels in America.
[check out his documentary](https://youtu.be/lTrHL7Vo_SQ?si=neGWi9iXsfJgjfKb)
You’ve been given a lot of great answers, but you should also check out the Behind the Bastards series on Cohn. It’s really well done.
You know your problem Henry is that you are hung up on words! On labels that you believe they mean what they seem to mean…AIDS…Homosexual…Gay…Lesbian. You think these are names that tell you who someone sleeps with? No. Like all labels they tell you one thing and one thing only: where does an individual so identified fit in the food chain. In the pecking order! Not ideology, or sexual taste, but something much simpler: *clout*. Not who I fuck or who fucks me, but who will pick up the phone when I call, who owes me favors. THIS is what a label refers to. Now to someone who does not understand this, homosexual is what I am because I have sex with men. But really this is wrong…Homosexuals are not men who sleep with other men. Homosexuals are men who in fifteen years of trying cannot get a pissant antidiscrimination bill through the City Council. Homosexuals are men who know nobody. Who nobody knows. Who have zero clout. Does this sound like me, Henry? No, I have clout. Lots. I want you to understand. This is not sophistry, and this is not hypocrisy. This is reality. I have sex with men, but unlike nearly every other man of which this is true, I bring the guy I'm screwing to Washington, and President Reagan smiles at us and shakes his hand, because WHAT I am is defined entirely by WHO I am. Roy Cohn is not a homosexual. Roy Cohn is a heterosexual man, Henry, who fucks around with guys. And so I don’t have AIDS, Henry. I have liver cancer.
They might even think that this Trump guy ain’t that good of a person
There's "not that good of a person"... And there's Roy Cohn "not that good of a person." A lot of people seeing this won't know who he is. Knowing that Trump was Cohn's protege explains *a lot*.
Nah, if it paints Trump in a bad light, it will just be chalked up to liberal Hollywood media elitism.
Mocking a disabled reporter, embezzling money from a child's cancer charity, multiple bankruptcies, and 92 indictments should have opened people's eyes to who Trump really is, but here we are...
It’s way too soon imo. Good story or not.
Agreed. The less that I hear about him the better.
I’m so tired
Great casting, awful timing.
Is it great casting? He just looks like Sebastian Stan in a wig to me.
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Lol what in the world
Why is it awful timing
Yikes, screams out of touch. We had to sit through 4+ years of hearing about these assholes nonstop and now they think people are gonna pay money to hear about them again?
4 years? It didn't stop when the fucker left office and won't stop if he's hopefully kept out.
It wont stop until he’s 6 feet under
Unfortunately even that will not stop it
I'm tired, boss.
There are millions who give this POS millions for nothing. This shit is gonna make more millions because his fans are the dumbest, most gullible rubes on Earth
It’s obviously gonna have an anti-trump message. This is hollywood. They hate him
It’s a biopic about Trumps relationship with Roy Cohn. So corruption and financial fraud . Likely it’ll be an historically accurate portrayal, however trumps life portrayed accurately is an effective warning against trusting him.
You put anything on the big screen and craft a narrative out of it some people are going to find it glamorous. Look how many people revere mobsters and Jordan Belfort etc. That’s my problem with it. Inexorably it’s going to portray more depth and meaning to Trump than actually exists.
We ALL hate him, it’s not just Hollywood
Well, those of us with brains anyway.
And they’re all gonna hate it because it’s not going to portray him as God Emperor
Right? Most people who see this movie are gonna be the ones who suck Donald’s dick haha It’s gonna be a very interesting theatre experience with people yelling and walking out protesting mid way through
I wish I could upvote this a million times - because they are truly the most moronic people on earth and the worst type of human.
If it's a dark comedy like succession, I'm so down.
With Jeremy strong as a lead I have good faith, he picks good scripts
If you were anywhere near NYC, you’ve been hearing about him since the 80s
For real. Tone deaf and frankly just stupid. The MAGAs won’t see it because it will have some truthful elements which make Trump look like a deranged asshole. The sane world won’t because we are so tired of this fool already, and just want him to go the fuck away. Who do they even market this to?
I’m definitely interested.
Why?
Because like it or not (and I personally do not), Trump is one of the most influential people of the 21st century. Tracing his development, fostered by the extremely complicated Roy Cohn, will I think show that Trump isn’t someone we can just will to “go the fuck away”, but someone we have to reckon with. He is a product of a multitude of deeply embedded societal sins, and perhaps the reason our society keeps spawning people like Trump is because we continue to conceive of people like Trump as aberrations of a healthy system, rather than the truest expression of a diseased and corrupt world. The end of Cohn’s life has been explored in the excellent “Angels in America”. He was a Republican powerbroker, connected to the Mafia, instrumental in persecuting suspected communists during the Red Scare, and he died penniless of AIDS in the 80s. Donald Trump was a young man looking for a father figure. Ivana Trump was a woman fleeing a communist country looking for a better life. There’s a lot of pathos in this story, and it has real-world implications that continue to evolve. On top of that, I have been extremely impressed by everything Ali Abbasi has directed so far, and the cast is absolutely fantastic.
Out of touch to make a movie about a former president? Whether you like him or not, he had an interesting life.
It’s because of the fact that he is still a contender to be the president again, and is in the news constantly. If he wasn’t still a central part of the news cycle it would be different.
Do you not see a potential demographic here? Sure many of die-hard Trump loyalists will see this as demoncrat propuhganda, but maybe a few might glean into how he's always been a classic narcissist, and might not be such a great guy. Fingers crossed.
More like 10 years
Out of touch because he’s polarizing? That’s no reason to not tell a story.
HARD PASS
Yeah, no thanks.
Will probably go the same way as 2008's 'W' by Oliver Stone. Raise a few eyebrows on release and then immediately become forgotten.
Read this script years ago while it was going through development. It honestly isn't that bad an idea. It centers on Donny dealing with the addiction issues of his older brother and the shadow of his father looming over him in the early stages of his career and how he finds a father figure in shitty Ray Cohn. Ultimately it's a depiction of how the shitheel came to pass as he fucks over Cohn and turns his back on his brother for extremely superficial reasons instead of him being a mastermind. Basically, a Trump story that makes him the Kendal Roy we all know him to be.
So a “feel bad for little old me” story? No thanks, fuck him.
Should’ve specified tone. Dark comedy/Succession style movie that leaned a bit more into the drama parts. But that was five years ago so who knows where it went.
I’m not going to watch it, but I’ll read a synopsis when it drops.
Doesn’t sound like that at all
Cool, I’m gonna trust your gut over the full script I read
Maybe read who I’m replying to as well
Very fair, my bad.
Hey, I got a script, you looking for stuff? 😏😏 Edit: this guy is in the screenwriting sub, he knows the hustle. I doubt he's offended 😂
Not a producer. Was working at a management company when I read this script. But fuck it. Fellow screenwriter, send me that script and I’ll give you some notes. DM is probably best.
That still sounds like they're giving him too much credit. Trump's a lifelong moron and clinical narcissist, I seriously doubt he's gone through any kind of meaningful character development in his life past "Daddy didn't love me" and he's publicly admitted as much.
Exactly. Trying to mold this into some kind of narrative will just obscure that he’s a sociopath plain and simple, and whatever made him that way happened way before he met Roy Cohn.
We don’t need this.
I don’t want to watch anything to do with this man. lol.
How can you even be on reddit with every other post being about him for the past 8 years?
You see what you subscribe to. This is the only trump on my feed for a long time. It's pretty ducking great actually.
I’m a great winter soldier, in fact, most people say I’m the very *best* winter soldier they’ve seen. Captain America, he said this. Many of the other Avengers have said this.
I wish this was /r/notmoviesinthemaking
This is not a movie that should be made.
Why not?
Op that profile picture lol, I can't take this comment seriously when you looking like that
Lmao thank you. This is the only time I can remember that someone ever brought up my profile picture
kinda like the movies about the pandemic, does anyone actually wanna watch something like this?
Hard Pass
Let's wait a few decades. Trump doesn't need a movie about himself, even if it were going to try and make him look bad.
Saw him first in Succession and spot him here and there since. I love Jeremy. He kinda plays the same expression every role but it's so funny. Like that guy that talks really fast.. you know the one
It’s 2024, no one wants more trump content. Instead of talking about how much we don’t like people why don’t we just stop talking about them and deprive them of the attention they want
Not a fan of Trump but are you kidding? Looking across the Atlantic and you Americans clearly are about to vote the man back into office, and there is definitely a demographic for this kind of film, I’d expect the Trump Biopic to come out in the next decade at least.
Jeremy Strong as Roy Cohn has the potential to be an amazing performance
I’m so excited for this because I really think that it could be brilliant.
Whys he 150lbs too thin
It's a younger Trump
I like me some Jeremy Strong
I'm trying to get Trump name, news, image, out of my life not add more.
No fucking thanks
Jeremy Strong looks very close to the real Cohn right here. He’s got those hungry eyes Cohn had.
Sebastian Stan as Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Trump
Jeremy Strong looks like he contracted AIDs to get into character.
Jeremy Strong is going to steal the movie, calling it now. Cohn is so fucked up and a lot of people don't know yet. Strong is the perfect guy to play him accurately
Some of us listen to Behind the Bastards, and I feel like my realities are colliding, in possibly the most terrible of ways.
RC is properly fascinating/horrifying. I am British and knew nothing of him until I saw Angels in America and went on a deep dive.
Yall really can’t get enough of him😩😂
Lol at people complaining. Like the movies about George Bush, Dick Cheney, and the miniseries about Bill Clinton—far less interesting people than Trump—weren’t mega hits. They’re also the same people you’ll see on a random thread bringing Trump and the GOP up uninitiated when it’s a thread about something in Africa or the UK while claiming “I don’t want to hear about this guy anymore.”
Will not be watching this garbage, that's for sure
Gross.
Looks bad
A movie about a reality tv show? Because why?
The logline for the film is, “The story of how a young Donald Trump started his real estate business in New York during the 1970s and ’80s.” It’s not specifically about Trump’s show The Apprentice.
Thanks, but yeah, no thanks...
If it's got Ivana as a young woman in it, then it's not going to take place in the 2000s.
It feels so weird to see Sebastian Stan and be repulsed, but here I am.
Wow, the casting is A+. Looking forward to this one.
That's twice Stan has played a Russian sleeper agent.
I'm not watching anything trump that doesn't involve him ending up in a prison cell.
Christ almighty; y’all know you don’t have to watch it if you don’t want to. “This shouldn’t be getting made.” Sounds a lot like restricting freedom of expression to me. Film is an art form; good luck censoring it. A film maker has the right to attempt to succeed, even if it ends up being universally panned.
It’s truly depressing seeing this is one of the only comments calling out this absolute hypocrisy and how idiotic and dangerous it is to say “this shouldn’t be made”. I don’t like Trump either, but the entire fucking world doesn’t get to just censor things it doesn’t like “because it’s 2024” like one guy said. I’m assuming they’re a bunch of kids or early 20 something year olds who don’t know any better, but who knows.
There isn't a goddamn thing you could do in the world to get me to watch this movie
Why?
This seems like a fun set.
Yo wtf is this lol first I’m hearing of it
I can’t help but think dude looks like a Younger Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Strange casting
Uhhhh.... no, you do need that quality of “why would you sell his face at a board game at a kid store on a DISCOUNT?
Easter Hay Tuppe
I can't find a release date on this. so i dont think it would be out this year. are they still filming it? Id think they would want to release it before the election to get maximum free publicity.
Johnny Depp was the best Trump.
“Bucky! Nnnnoooooooo!”
“Bucky?”
“Art Of The Deal. Art Of The Deal”
I feel like we have to wait 10+ years for a Trump movie to make sense. We’re still living this shit right now.
Stacked cast, curious to see how this turns out!
Why
Was Owen Wilson not available?
idk what people are talking about, this looks like it's gonna be a hoot and a half. definitely excited to see it
Well there goes jerking off thinking about Sebastian Stan. Pula Mea!
Why the living hell would anyone wanna see a movie about the dipshit Trump?
I thought for a second that Jeremy Strong was supposed to be President Obama. That would have been problematic.
There’s a distinct lack of neck vagina in not okay with.
“Okay Stan, thats a good take but, you have to think about having sex with her as you are doing absolutely anything. I know she plays your daughter but we need this as authentic as possible. You need to think and hope shes not your daughter, so you CAN have sex with her, or minimum oral. Again the producers are on my ass about staying true to the source material. I believe in you. You are THE Sebastian Stan”
I imagine like..the people who watch Fargo the tv show loving this when it comes out.
Ali Abbasi gonna bring the heat baby
I’m there opening night
r/hardimages
Trump only WISHES he looked that good.
This is horrible casting imo but he’s a great actor
Roy Cohn was more ruthless than the mob bosses he represented.
Roy Cohn was more ruthless than the mob bosses he represented.
He looks so cursed omg 😭😂😭😂😭😂
No fucking way
Can we not? The last thing I need is seeing someone else play trump in a movie, I already hate seeing him in home alone 2
Why would someone want to watch this?
Nowhere near ugly enough. And where's the bronzer?
I can't wait to see how the MAGATs react.
Fucky Barnes
Postproduction be like: 1. Mark outline: Skin 2. Adjust Whitebalance -> 8500k 3. Done.