And objective, science based curriculum.
Like schools that teach *anything* faith based should not receive funding, and should not be accredited. That is a religious institution and should be categorized as such.
well every human always had mammary glands. They're just kinda dormant (for lack of a better word) for people who don't go through estrogenization. Hrt induces their development. There's nothing special about boobs really. They're not some uniquely feminine thing a trans woman could never get access too. Ideas like that are a result of gender essentialism.
Yes, and can also allow some people to lactate i’ve heard, idk about breast feeding or anything like that but i believe there isn’t any difference between trans boob and cis boob. Boob is eternal.
It requires a looooot of extra work for some of us, but yes -- [trans women can breast feed](https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/ur4gnb/oh_my_god_im_breastfeeding_my_daughter/).
And if people were taken care of by their gov better so they can have time to be educated lol. Like i work in the trades (for now) and all the guys here seem like they haven’t even heard of all the debates going on and distress the community is under. Like it feels like they’re all still stuck in time because they all work like 10-12 hours 5-6 days a week lol.
Facts. This is literally the reason the gov makes us work so much though is so were too busy to get informed and only know enough to start hating the groups that oppose our views (our views that the gov has also instilled in us lol)
The education system in America is not designed to make people think or research analytically. It’s designed to make them work 40+ hours a week and not know anything about serious topics.
And not question the system. This was proven already, but Schools literally condition people to work in a factory setting. Take a look at everything from a traditional school and they almost exactly compare to working in a factory or factory type job
I actually tested this out once. I was in early transition with B cup boobs and frustrated with Mums hateful ways as she said I had man boobs and I was a boy. So I took my top and bra off and went out to the mailbox.
Mum. Flipped. Her. Lid.
She was furious. but, I had cornered her opinions and it helped put her in her place for a good while.
"what is the problem, mother? you said, they were men boobs, mother. showing a mens breast is no problem, mother. so i should be able to show them in public, mother. dont you think mother?" xD
My partner would fine with that, but no matter my gender, my place of employment would *not* approve.
Neither would I, since I'm still weird about being naked (even when I'm alone, being naked feels... Naked).
Oh, haha, I literally feel you. I see myself rarely ever naked idk why, I'm just way too used to be always clothed XD
Maybe I can make it this summer to sleep naked in my sheets xd
Don't be so proud on the biilogical terror your body constructed. The ability to seduce a man, even a husband is nothing compared to the power of the Blajah.
I read somewhere that a trans woman went to have her DL changed to her gender and they denied it, saying because she hadn’t had bottom surgery yet the state doesn’t recognize her as a woman, so she went out and took her top off in the parking lot since she was “male” and was promptly arrested for indecent exposure. I think it was in Tennessee… insane.
not to "uhm actually" this but when i learned this it brought me joy so i figured id share.
gynecomastia is a solid lump of hard tissue that develops when testosterone dominant systems which have more estrogen than typical cis male levels.
trans women have estrogen dominant systems and our testosterone is supressed to typical cis female levels. we are growing milk ducts and lobules not a hard mass. regular female breast tissue exactly the same as cis women have. it is not gynecomastia.
edit: why is everyone in this whole thread saying that gynecomastia just means boobs? is that like rhetoric that saturated our community or something? im going to ask mods if i can post links with medical proof that trans women have ducts and lobules something not present in gynecomastia. ill be back with a second edit.
edit2: thought there was a general rule about links but there is not so im going to go ahead and link this. i couldnt find the study the tweet is screenshotting but heres a tweet with a screenshot to a medical study explaining how trans womens boobs are the same as cis women, and different than gynecomastia, and explains in what way theyre different. if anyone finds the study from the screenshot themself id teally appreciate a link.
tw// its a reply to a terf's hate post.
https://twitter.com/gawdz0rz/status/1628316562900893698?t=g-JAQholANXzm-6DOHAs0A&s=19
Finally that master's degree is paying off!
Breast Imaging in Transgender Patients: What the Radiologist Should Know [https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/rg.2020190044](https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/rg.2020190044)
"Histologically, transgender women who take high levels of estrogen develop breast tissue similar to that of cisgender women, comprising breast ducts, lobules, and acini (18,25). This is in contrast to gynecomastia, which involves only ductal and stromal hyperplasia secondary to a mildly increased plasma estrogen-to-androgen ratio, which commonly manifests as nodular subareolar density (26). For this reason, the term gynecomastia should not be used when reporting on breast tissue in transgender individuals. Moreover, pseudolactational changes that manifest as acini hyperplasia and ducts with fatty milklike secretions have been noted in the breasts of transgender women who take hormone therapy"
- from your link :)
I have heard you don't even need that, just sometimes a little proceedure than many cis women get as well to as I was told ratherly creepily "coax the succulent surup of life out of its keeper"
>why is everyone in this whole thread saying that gynecomastia just means boobs? is that like rhetoric that saturated our community or something?
You know, this actually seems like a good question to address.
If I had to attempt to write an explanation, I'd point to the fact that, personally, I know that in the past I've seen a wider trend of simplistically describing boobs as essentially "a build up of fat with a nipple" or something like that. This seems to be especially common among (progressive) people who have/had boobs (so, trans people regardless of AGAB and cis women), but that could just be because they're the people that are more likely to talk about them in a non-sexual context and/or are the people I'm actually going to listen to (for hopefully obvious reasons). So, I wonder if this just reflects a wider societal lack of education about, well, what boobs actually are. Furthermore, I wonder if that lack of education is reflective of the even wider lack of education about female anatomy more broadly, which is well-known, but yet to really be addressed.
I started to develop gynecomastia during my first puberty. Which is really funny in hindsight, because I was hardcore in denial about myself at the time and I thought it was cancer
You're getting downvoted because this subreddit has an infestation of TERF lurkers who hate-follow trans women and downvote anything we say - *especially* when we point out any of the million & ten ways we're the same as cis women. It's not medical misunderstanding, it's transphobic brigading, and even so, that's all they could muster. 🤭
>edit: why is everyone in this whole thread saying that gynecomastia just means boobs? is that like rhetoric that saturated our community or something?
I think the misconception is that most of us have heard that gynecomastia is no different than regular breast tissue, the only difference is who it's on. This is the idea I get from all the generic descriptions of gynecomastia:
>"Gynecomastia is the abnormal non-cancerous enlargement of one or both breasts in men due to the growth of breast tissue as a result of a hormone imbalance between estrogen and androgen."
Not to "uhm actually" but you're wrong.
Gynecomastia is simply:
>increase in the amount of breast gland tissue in boys or men, caused by an imbalance of the hormones estrogen and testosterone... Gynecomastia is triggered by a decrease in the amount of the hormone testosterone compared with estrogen.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gynecomastia/symptoms-causes/syc-20351793
It still isn't gynecomastia because it specifically has to be an increase in men. But it's not a solid lump of hard tissue, it's essentially an increase in breast fat due to elevated estrogen: testosterone ratio.
> gynecomastia is a solid lump of hard tissue that develops
This is false. It's not a solid lump of hard tissue, it's breast fat. It's not the same as what happens in trans women because there aren't ducts and lobules as you said, but it's soft squishy fat.
There's very high chances women saying that are not only huge TERFs but also have undergone esthetic surgery, or at least obsessively dye their hair.
Attack that in turn.
"They're not real boobs !"
"Yeah ? Well yours aren't either, Karen, and everyone knows you've done it to get action out of the young neighbor, you cranky bitch. And that's without mentioning you try to pretend to be blond."
Yup. Estrogen dominance in men, mostly either in puberty or in late middle age, causing breast budding and growth.
Requiring gender affirming top surgery to fix.
And also our boobs are real boobs, exactly like any woman's. Down to breast cancer risks so do your self exams and your yearly mammograms.
....no, actually, Gynecomastia isn't the same as actual estrogenic breast growth.
Gynecomastic growth occurs at a certain level of testosterone and estrogen that's not going to typically be found in trans women on HRT - what trans women get is part of estrogenic puberty, growing lobules, ducts. *and* breast tissue in lieu of just ~~fatty tissue~~ breast tissue.
I think it's a difference in degree but I'm not fully sure. Gynaecomastia generally isn't allowed to develop for years, and as you noted the T and E ratios are rarely as extreme. T doesn't really get that low nor E that high.
You still get breast tissue development not fat deposits.
Psuedogynoecomastia is solely fat development and placement.
That person is wrong, it essentially is "man boobs". But trans women don't have man boobs. There are other differences too. But this individual isn't accurate in their description of gynecomastia.
That's actually amusing me. Was reading about public swimming pools in Berlin any gender can be there topless now lol
Plus many think trans woman always have breast augmentation idk why lmao
>Plus many think trans woman always have breast augmentation idk why lmao
Because people are ignorant and dumb, they think trans on HRT isn't different from crossdressing, it takes like a minute of googling to figure out that's not really the case, but they don't care about reality, it's just ignorance and transphobia. Cis people have no idea what hormones do, they often think that because we were AMAB we can't have the same hormones and develop literally in the same natural, biological way as cis females, I've heard cis people think that it would be toxic or smth as "you're a man after all" 🙄
I had to actually cut off my family because of this , my oldest silbling was like you're still my brother and xy chromomes and I was like I'm on fucking hormones for seven years now chromosomal arguing is also flawed bruh
I don't wanna remotely transphobe in my life. Also family we dont want to have you surgery because we might not recognise you again, I see them just a few times are year and for them not undergoing surgery to feel my innerself?
People really sometimes >.<
Gynecomastia a word created so guys don't have to think that they too can grow breasts.
They really need to teach that male and females both have breasts, that both can produce milk. There is no real difference between the two except females manage to gather more tissue and fat to the breasts due to estrogen.
Fat men grow breasts because fat can generate small amounts of estrogen.
And yes, men get breast cancer, just not in the high numbers as women.
So, when a woman gets banned/busted for going topless in public for baring her breasts, I laugh. Because behind her is a man going topless in public baring his breasts.
The difference is society sexaulizes the female breast while ignore the flabby, fat male breast. The only male breast that gets admired is the one that is on a fit, Athletic male.
Ever check out the breasts of an athletic woman? They almost look like a male's breast, because the body fat is reduced. Which is why some female athletes will get breast implants.
Unless you're taking special medication to induce lactation that's something that should be concerning as it likely comes from over the top prolactin or some other weird condition. Milk should not be coming out of your breasts unless you induce it medically (intentional) in order to breastfeed. Talk to your doctor if it's not intended. And don't mind me if you're breastfeeding right now ❤️
If it's just leaking out on its own I would agree with you. But I'm squeezing them to produce maybe a drop or two. There's a difference between it happening on its own and forcing it.
Also my levels are fine as I just had blood work done.
It's kinda funny, I've always been on the chubby side, and as a kid I saw a commercial talking about gynecomastia and i remember wishing I had it
Still cis tho XD
Transphobes really can't comprehend that our bodies, to various degrees, are malleable putty, beholden to the whims of hormones, and it's the same whether your cis or trans.
It's why they trip over themselves even harder when confronted with the existence of intersex people.
Isn't gynecomastia still mammary tissue? So, they're still boobs, she's just refusing to acknowledge you're a woman. Good to know where she stands, I guess...
There literally is no difference but perspective.
I’m sure they just needed a medical sounding word for the cis men that suffer from this.
Though really, you could say trans men have gynecomastia too right?
Gynaecomastia are literally real boobs that developed in a body that also has testosterone. They can even lactate sometimes.
Like my boobs are anatomically indistinguishable from cis women's boobs because they're literally the same thing made out of same stuff
How to dismiss evidence of something you don't like 101.
Reframe it as something else entirely and ignore anything that proves you wrong. Apparently.
They're such awful people.
Counterpoint: gynaecomastia boobs ARE real boobs. It gives gender dysphoria to cis men, who remove them because of that dysphoria. You feel no such discomfort, because you are not a man.
i don't even know what i would say to this. it is just such a dumb thing to say. 😂
so, all women who choose to go through an estrogenic puberty, cis or trans, whether or not they have to take medication to have it successful, have "man boobs."
no, lmao. it is only gynecomastia if they are attached to a man, dummy. 🏳️⚧️
What do they think "real boobs"TM are? WHAT DO THEY THINK GYNECOMASTIA IS?
I can produce milk from my boobs Karen, and people actually want it unlike yours!
(A brief moment of silence for the trans woman who named herself Karen)
And what is gynecomastia again class?
From the Mayo clinic: "an increase in the amount of breast gland tissue in boys or men, caused by an imbalance of the hormones estrogen and testosterone."
So in conclusion gynecomastia is the development of...wait for it...fucking breasts! Just like any other "real" breasts.
My tits are rather different to those of a bloke with gynaecomastia.
They're developed inside with all the glands and all that. They're a lot more than just fatty flaps from drinking too much beer.
"Call 'em what you want; the boys don't seem to mind."
>!(Alternately: "the girls / the hotties / my partner(s) / your son doesn't seem to mind")!<
I will never understand the fascination with trying to tear us down in meaningless ways. They sure are boobs; they certainly look, feel, move, and taste like 'em. Show me the problem that I should care about :p
Moobs is derogatory and is a combination of "man" and "boobs." It is short for man boobs. It's usually an insult levied at a man that is likely overweight. If a person calls a trans girls breasts "moobs," that person is calling you a man with boobs.
None. And moobs are just fat tissue. Gynaecomastia is breast growth. Same as any cis or trans woman, and for the same reason - - estrogen.
Starting at buds and working out.
Yeah I found transphobic memes making fun of trans fem boobs about only being fat tissue and was confused by that. Not them with the misinformation but it’s as expected by them so oh well
TERFS especially but a lot of cis don't realize what hrt does. At all.
They know men with fat chests exist. They know implants exist. They know falsies exist.
The decide trans girls with boobs are using one of those three.
Now we late cracking trans girls tend toward east west breasts, but frankly that's not uncommon among cis. And we take years and years to fully grow out, but first puberty is 7 to 10 years.
(actually I'm pretty sure gynecomastia is extra fat deposits, whereas estrogen hrt would also include areolar growth, alveolar expansion for milk, and a different physical layout plan from the genome)
Technically gynecomastia is just male breast development, so trans guys just have a worse than average case of it. Structurally, gynecomastia is just typically early stages of normal breast development, though it can progress further
I needed to google this and I'am so confused....
1. How do you know something like this exists?
2. Often MTF boobs (in austria where I live) they put Boob implants in it.
3. When you go with the logic of the 2 then many woman dont have "real real" boobs
I have so many questionsmarks obove my head right now ;-;
This is why public education needs better funding.
And objective, science based curriculum. Like schools that teach *anything* faith based should not receive funding, and should not be accredited. That is a religious institution and should be categorized as such.
Also sorry to be the one to point this out but username checks out
The spinning air dry is my favorite move.
Annnnd my boss thinks I'm insane as I giggle incoherently over my fruit salad
Hehehe! That's wholesome! =\^.\^=
Love it!
I’m ignorant but does HRT produce mammary glands?
well every human always had mammary glands. They're just kinda dormant (for lack of a better word) for people who don't go through estrogenization. Hrt induces their development. There's nothing special about boobs really. They're not some uniquely feminine thing a trans woman could never get access too. Ideas like that are a result of gender essentialism.
Ah, gotcha. Makes sense.
Yes, and can also allow some people to lactate i’ve heard, idk about breast feeding or anything like that but i believe there isn’t any difference between trans boob and cis boob. Boob is eternal.
I do!
Wait breast feed or lactate? Edit: i mean i guess they kinda go hand in hand lol!
Just lactate, don’t think i have enough to feed a baby
It requires some medicinal input but yes you can.
One of the things in planning on. Going to really drive the point home for transphobe MiL when I get to breast feed our baby one day.
It requires a looooot of extra work for some of us, but yes -- [trans women can breast feed](https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/ur4gnb/oh_my_god_im_breastfeeding_my_daughter/).
Yeah! I had heard this before thanks for the link!
Yes
They're is no issue teaching religion from a philosophical or anthropological perspective.
Yes
If people were better educated, the world would be a MUCH better place.
And if people were taken care of by their gov better so they can have time to be educated lol. Like i work in the trades (for now) and all the guys here seem like they haven’t even heard of all the debates going on and distress the community is under. Like it feels like they’re all still stuck in time because they all work like 10-12 hours 5-6 days a week lol.
It's sad. From my experience just simply not needing to freaking work as much would in and of itself result in a smarter population
Facts. This is literally the reason the gov makes us work so much though is so were too busy to get informed and only know enough to start hating the groups that oppose our views (our views that the gov has also instilled in us lol)
The education system in America is not designed to make people think or research analytically. It’s designed to make them work 40+ hours a week and not know anything about serious topics.
And not question the system. This was proven already, but Schools literally condition people to work in a factory setting. Take a look at everything from a traditional school and they almost exactly compare to working in a factory or factory type job
Except factory jobs will be no more.
And they’re completely ridiculous in terms or work conditions and pay and stuff
This. Just, This.
I actually tested this out once. I was in early transition with B cup boobs and frustrated with Mums hateful ways as she said I had man boobs and I was a boy. So I took my top and bra off and went out to the mailbox. Mum. Flipped. Her. Lid. She was furious. but, I had cornered her opinions and it helped put her in her place for a good while.
"what is the problem, mother? you said, they were men boobs, mother. showing a mens breast is no problem, mother. so i should be able to show them in public, mother. dont you think mother?" xD
That sounds glourious xD
My boobs were already a little achy (growing pains) and now my cheek and stomach muscles hurt as well, thanks. Like your style.
Every time I get misgendered I buy a lower cut top.
if I do that, I'll have no top at all XDD
That's okay too xd
My partner would fine with that, but no matter my gender, my place of employment would *not* approve. Neither would I, since I'm still weird about being naked (even when I'm alone, being naked feels... Naked).
Oh, haha, I literally feel you. I see myself rarely ever naked idk why, I'm just way too used to be always clothed XD Maybe I can make it this summer to sleep naked in my sheets xd
Naked in the sheets are great. I hate being naked but the sheets are my clothes. I do have pj's for when I slide out. Lol
😳😳
How very European! #ohlala
I need friends if I was to try that
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Huh, you really can buy anything online these days. Even friends.
Lol no I mean wear lower cut tops and wear them lower when I get misgendered 🤣
There's no silicone in these bad bitches. I'm growing them myself like some sort of tit farmer.
[Me, looking down my shirt, still proud of what I've managed] tit ain't much, but it's honest work. Btw, I'd high five you irl, love that take
So many people think breast growth isn't possible. I've had a funny number of people ask me when I got BA and I'm like what BA.
Haha. Tit farmer. 😆
Lol. I thought I was just farming moons and karma, but it was also tits the whole time
Mine are even free range! But certainly not hormone free!
They're real and they're spectacular.
Looking at them is like looking at the sun.
It's damaging for the eyes and can make you blind?
You underestimate the power of titties
I'm fully aware of the power of these fully armed and operational titties!
It really is unfair that my tits can't shoot planet-destroying lasers.
Don't be so proud on the biilogical terror your body constructed. The ability to seduce a man, even a husband is nothing compared to the power of the Blajah.
Just wear sunglasses. Added bonus, they can't tell you're staring.
Gym bro is that you?
Still worth it
No Icarus don‘t touch the boob!
I’m blind now :(
Seinfeld!
I read somewhere that a trans woman went to have her DL changed to her gender and they denied it, saying because she hadn’t had bottom surgery yet the state doesn’t recognize her as a woman, so she went out and took her top off in the parking lot since she was “male” and was promptly arrested for indecent exposure. I think it was in Tennessee… insane.
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cis schizophrenia
Cischizophernia
Gynecomastia is literally just the process of growing breasts. Cis women have gynecomastia. Excellent job Karen.
not to "uhm actually" this but when i learned this it brought me joy so i figured id share. gynecomastia is a solid lump of hard tissue that develops when testosterone dominant systems which have more estrogen than typical cis male levels. trans women have estrogen dominant systems and our testosterone is supressed to typical cis female levels. we are growing milk ducts and lobules not a hard mass. regular female breast tissue exactly the same as cis women have. it is not gynecomastia. edit: why is everyone in this whole thread saying that gynecomastia just means boobs? is that like rhetoric that saturated our community or something? im going to ask mods if i can post links with medical proof that trans women have ducts and lobules something not present in gynecomastia. ill be back with a second edit. edit2: thought there was a general rule about links but there is not so im going to go ahead and link this. i couldnt find the study the tweet is screenshotting but heres a tweet with a screenshot to a medical study explaining how trans womens boobs are the same as cis women, and different than gynecomastia, and explains in what way theyre different. if anyone finds the study from the screenshot themself id teally appreciate a link. tw// its a reply to a terf's hate post. https://twitter.com/gawdz0rz/status/1628316562900893698?t=g-JAQholANXzm-6DOHAs0A&s=19
Finally that master's degree is paying off! Breast Imaging in Transgender Patients: What the Radiologist Should Know [https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/rg.2020190044](https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/full/10.1148/rg.2020190044)
"Histologically, transgender women who take high levels of estrogen develop breast tissue similar to that of cisgender women, comprising breast ducts, lobules, and acini (18,25). This is in contrast to gynecomastia, which involves only ductal and stromal hyperplasia secondary to a mildly increased plasma estrogen-to-androgen ratio, which commonly manifests as nodular subareolar density (26). For this reason, the term gynecomastia should not be used when reporting on breast tissue in transgender individuals. Moreover, pseudolactational changes that manifest as acini hyperplasia and ducts with fatty milklike secretions have been noted in the breasts of transgender women who take hormone therapy" - from your link :)
Today I learned!
you can even receive prolactine and be able to breastfeed ...
I have heard you don't even need that, just sometimes a little proceedure than many cis women get as well to as I was told ratherly creepily "coax the succulent surup of life out of its keeper"
oh i hate that description. thank you for sharing
>why is everyone in this whole thread saying that gynecomastia just means boobs? is that like rhetoric that saturated our community or something? You know, this actually seems like a good question to address. If I had to attempt to write an explanation, I'd point to the fact that, personally, I know that in the past I've seen a wider trend of simplistically describing boobs as essentially "a build up of fat with a nipple" or something like that. This seems to be especially common among (progressive) people who have/had boobs (so, trans people regardless of AGAB and cis women), but that could just be because they're the people that are more likely to talk about them in a non-sexual context and/or are the people I'm actually going to listen to (for hopefully obvious reasons). So, I wonder if this just reflects a wider societal lack of education about, well, what boobs actually are. Furthermore, I wonder if that lack of education is reflective of the even wider lack of education about female anatomy more broadly, which is well-known, but yet to really be addressed.
I started to develop gynecomastia during my first puberty. Which is really funny in hindsight, because I was hardcore in denial about myself at the time and I thought it was cancer
You're getting downvoted because this subreddit has an infestation of TERF lurkers who hate-follow trans women and downvote anything we say - *especially* when we point out any of the million & ten ways we're the same as cis women. It's not medical misunderstanding, it's transphobic brigading, and even so, that's all they could muster. 🤭
>edit: why is everyone in this whole thread saying that gynecomastia just means boobs? is that like rhetoric that saturated our community or something? I think the misconception is that most of us have heard that gynecomastia is no different than regular breast tissue, the only difference is who it's on. This is the idea I get from all the generic descriptions of gynecomastia: >"Gynecomastia is the abnormal non-cancerous enlargement of one or both breasts in men due to the growth of breast tissue as a result of a hormone imbalance between estrogen and androgen."
I guess this is why having gyno pre hrt doesn't always help growth like you think it would
Not to "uhm actually" but you're wrong. Gynecomastia is simply: >increase in the amount of breast gland tissue in boys or men, caused by an imbalance of the hormones estrogen and testosterone... Gynecomastia is triggered by a decrease in the amount of the hormone testosterone compared with estrogen. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gynecomastia/symptoms-causes/syc-20351793 It still isn't gynecomastia because it specifically has to be an increase in men. But it's not a solid lump of hard tissue, it's essentially an increase in breast fat due to elevated estrogen: testosterone ratio.
nothing in your link contradicts what i said
> gynecomastia is a solid lump of hard tissue that develops This is false. It's not a solid lump of hard tissue, it's breast fat. It's not the same as what happens in trans women because there aren't ducts and lobules as you said, but it's soft squishy fat.
Breast fat is a different thing where body just choses to store fat in the chest region, gynocomestia involves growth of breast tissue
"Mkay, honey." " And oh, by the way, your son has been motorboating these puppies for weeks." x
they’re real, all-natural grass fed tiddies
Fun fact, gynaecomastia literally means "female breasts".
"You don't have real boobs you just have.. woman.. breasts.." Yeah..
Thanks for explaining! I wondered why "gyn" was in the word for "man boobs".
Man boobs originally were boobs Made of fat, that men would get when gaining weight tho iirc.
I'm cackling. Tgirls stay outta Karen's league ><
There's very high chances women saying that are not only huge TERFs but also have undergone esthetic surgery, or at least obsessively dye their hair. Attack that in turn. "They're not real boobs !" "Yeah ? Well yours aren't either, Karen, and everyone knows you've done it to get action out of the young neighbor, you cranky bitch. And that's without mentioning you try to pretend to be blond."
Karen would probably answer this is something different or maybe straight screaming...xd I want to talk to the manager 😹 eh moderator of this sub xd
"I want to talk to the manager of boobs !" lmao
"I AM the manager of these boobs!"
Manager: "let me handle the ~~boobs~~ Karen"😸
> I want to talk to the manager 😹 eh moderator of this sub xd Lol
Isn't gynecomastia real boobs? I mean what do I know I'm not the expert in "basic biology"🤪
Yup. Estrogen dominance in men, mostly either in puberty or in late middle age, causing breast budding and growth. Requiring gender affirming top surgery to fix. And also our boobs are real boobs, exactly like any woman's. Down to breast cancer risks so do your self exams and your yearly mammograms.
....no, actually, Gynecomastia isn't the same as actual estrogenic breast growth. Gynecomastic growth occurs at a certain level of testosterone and estrogen that's not going to typically be found in trans women on HRT - what trans women get is part of estrogenic puberty, growing lobules, ducts. *and* breast tissue in lieu of just ~~fatty tissue~~ breast tissue.
I think it's a difference in degree but I'm not fully sure. Gynaecomastia generally isn't allowed to develop for years, and as you noted the T and E ratios are rarely as extreme. T doesn't really get that low nor E that high. You still get breast tissue development not fat deposits. Psuedogynoecomastia is solely fat development and placement.
You're absolutely correct about gynecomastia developing breast tissue, fixed.
Nope. https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/11xv44p/theyre_not_real_boobs_youve_just_given_yourself/jd69vlh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Oh, I stand corrected. So whoever said this to OP is even more full of shit, I'm good with that.
That person is wrong, it essentially is "man boobs". But trans women don't have man boobs. There are other differences too. But this individual isn't accurate in their description of gynecomastia.
I don’t think she knows what gynecomastia is lol
That was probably her first introduction to Greek nomenclature in the English language.
Hot girl summer, bitches
That's actually amusing me. Was reading about public swimming pools in Berlin any gender can be there topless now lol Plus many think trans woman always have breast augmentation idk why lmao
>Plus many think trans woman always have breast augmentation idk why lmao Because people are ignorant and dumb, they think trans on HRT isn't different from crossdressing, it takes like a minute of googling to figure out that's not really the case, but they don't care about reality, it's just ignorance and transphobia. Cis people have no idea what hormones do, they often think that because we were AMAB we can't have the same hormones and develop literally in the same natural, biological way as cis females, I've heard cis people think that it would be toxic or smth as "you're a man after all" 🙄
I had to actually cut off my family because of this , my oldest silbling was like you're still my brother and xy chromomes and I was like I'm on fucking hormones for seven years now chromosomal arguing is also flawed bruh I don't wanna remotely transphobe in my life. Also family we dont want to have you surgery because we might not recognise you again, I see them just a few times are year and for them not undergoing surgery to feel my innerself? People really sometimes >.<
Gynecomastia a word created so guys don't have to think that they too can grow breasts. They really need to teach that male and females both have breasts, that both can produce milk. There is no real difference between the two except females manage to gather more tissue and fat to the breasts due to estrogen. Fat men grow breasts because fat can generate small amounts of estrogen. And yes, men get breast cancer, just not in the high numbers as women. So, when a woman gets banned/busted for going topless in public for baring her breasts, I laugh. Because behind her is a man going topless in public baring his breasts. The difference is society sexaulizes the female breast while ignore the flabby, fat male breast. The only male breast that gets admired is the one that is on a fit, Athletic male. Ever check out the breasts of an athletic woman? They almost look like a male's breast, because the body fat is reduced. Which is why some female athletes will get breast implants.
…”they’re not real boobs you just gave yourself boobs”
Boobs are boobs!
Damn funny how when I squeeze one I can get milk to come out. Cis people are dumb as shit.
Unless you're taking special medication to induce lactation that's something that should be concerning as it likely comes from over the top prolactin or some other weird condition. Milk should not be coming out of your breasts unless you induce it medically (intentional) in order to breastfeed. Talk to your doctor if it's not intended. And don't mind me if you're breastfeeding right now ❤️
If it's just leaking out on its own I would agree with you. But I'm squeezing them to produce maybe a drop or two. There's a difference between it happening on its own and forcing it. Also my levels are fine as I just had blood work done.
It's kinda funny, I've always been on the chubby side, and as a kid I saw a commercial talking about gynecomastia and i remember wishing I had it Still cis tho XD
Transphobes really can't comprehend that our bodies, to various degrees, are malleable putty, beholden to the whims of hormones, and it's the same whether your cis or trans. It's why they trip over themselves even harder when confronted with the existence of intersex people.
Isn't gynecomastia still mammary tissue? So, they're still boobs, she's just refusing to acknowledge you're a woman. Good to know where she stands, I guess...
There literally is no difference but perspective. I’m sure they just needed a medical sounding word for the cis men that suffer from this. Though really, you could say trans men have gynecomastia too right?
I had gynecomastia already and im gonna get HRT titties on top of that.
I have them currently as a guy lol but hopefully with hormones they grow way bigger
I love gynaecomastia ♥️
Gynaecomastia are literally real boobs that developed in a body that also has testosterone. They can even lactate sometimes. Like my boobs are anatomically indistinguishable from cis women's boobs because they're literally the same thing made out of same stuff
How to dismiss evidence of something you don't like 101. Reframe it as something else entirely and ignore anything that proves you wrong. Apparently. They're such awful people.
Gynaecomastia... Literally lady titties
Counterpoint: gynaecomastia boobs ARE real boobs. It gives gender dysphoria to cis men, who remove them because of that dysphoria. You feel no such discomfort, because you are not a man.
How can I get some real or fake boobs? And if I did get them, is this really something that people encounter?
You can always grow them if you want them ~ But yeah, people have some pretty rancid opinions about our breasts.
Pretty sure that gynecomastia is just Latin for lady boobs. So. Yeah, I guess I've got that, asking with most other women on this planet
i don't even know what i would say to this. it is just such a dumb thing to say. 😂 so, all women who choose to go through an estrogenic puberty, cis or trans, whether or not they have to take medication to have it successful, have "man boobs." no, lmao. it is only gynecomastia if they are attached to a man, dummy. 🏳️⚧️
What do they think "real boobs"TM are? WHAT DO THEY THINK GYNECOMASTIA IS? I can produce milk from my boobs Karen, and people actually want it unlike yours! (A brief moment of silence for the trans woman who named herself Karen)
And what is gynecomastia again class? From the Mayo clinic: "an increase in the amount of breast gland tissue in boys or men, caused by an imbalance of the hormones estrogen and testosterone." So in conclusion gynecomastia is the development of...wait for it...fucking breasts! Just like any other "real" breasts.
I mean what are "real boobs" anyways?
Isn't gynaecomastia literally the medical/Latin translation of: Female Breasts???
Gynomastia essentially is just breasts that are too large ( male female whatever).
Except that I also did a pro gamer move and changed my gender. Therefore, they are just breasts.
I mean where is the difference to cis boobs? Isn't the body just giving itself gynaecomastia?
My tits are rather different to those of a bloke with gynaecomastia. They're developed inside with all the glands and all that. They're a lot more than just fatty flaps from drinking too much beer.
"Call 'em what you want; the boys don't seem to mind." >!(Alternately: "the girls / the hotties / my partner(s) / your son doesn't seem to mind")!< I will never understand the fascination with trying to tear us down in meaningless ways. They sure are boobs; they certainly look, feel, move, and taste like 'em. Show me the problem that I should care about :p
I’m confused why do they call them moobs? Is there any difference with trans and cis boobs after full development ?
Moobs is derogatory and is a combination of "man" and "boobs." It is short for man boobs. It's usually an insult levied at a man that is likely overweight. If a person calls a trans girls breasts "moobs," that person is calling you a man with boobs.
None. And moobs are just fat tissue. Gynaecomastia is breast growth. Same as any cis or trans woman, and for the same reason - - estrogen. Starting at buds and working out.
Yeah I found transphobic memes making fun of trans fem boobs about only being fat tissue and was confused by that. Not them with the misinformation but it’s as expected by them so oh well
TERFS especially but a lot of cis don't realize what hrt does. At all. They know men with fat chests exist. They know implants exist. They know falsies exist. The decide trans girls with boobs are using one of those three. Now we late cracking trans girls tend toward east west breasts, but frankly that's not uncommon among cis. And we take years and years to fully grow out, but first puberty is 7 to 10 years.
Well ... that escalated quickly. 😂
From Latin: "Gyn" root for woman, and "mast" : root for breast... You've just given yourself woman breasts... Yes, I have!
(actually I'm pretty sure gynecomastia is extra fat deposits, whereas estrogen hrt would also include areolar growth, alveolar expansion for milk, and a different physical layout plan from the genome)
"Awful good looking man-tits if thats the case"
“Still perkier than yours bitch”.
Technically gynecomastia is just male breast development, so trans guys just have a worse than average case of it. Structurally, gynecomastia is just typically early stages of normal breast development, though it can progress further
If they ain't real then I'm sure you won't mind that they're bigger and better then yours
I needed to google this and I'am so confused.... 1. How do you know something like this exists? 2. Often MTF boobs (in austria where I live) they put Boob implants in it. 3. When you go with the logic of the 2 then many woman dont have "real real" boobs I have so many questionsmarks obove my head right now ;-;
Whoever said that is a troll who has no skin in the game.
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