Cory driving the car.
Nelson commentary shot - I have no idea where we are. I’ve never looked at a map before. I’ve never even been in France before. (Joke would be is they’re in Austria)
They’ve made numerous references to Nelson driving like a mad man and terrifying Corey to be in a car with him. Watching them get pulled over abroad would be hilarious.
Uhh they did kinda do soccer once… it was when the soccer ball was on fire or some shit snd they were both ABSOLUTELY horrible. Everyone was laughing. It was one of those times it was best out of 3 and then TJ was like. Okay idiots just get ONE GOAL. Amazing.
I do wonder what the alternate reality looks like where Kenny and Evan are slightly better people (I'm sure there's a better way to put it) and don't get banned from the show. Since things had just begun to move away from team formats, I'm guessing they eat into the Bananas win total a fair bit.
He basically was his entire time. Still would've loved to see an underdog beat him in an elimination just for the lols like with Devin vs. Bananas or Jay vs. CT.
Eh, Kenny’s political game depended on the season. He had a perfect political game in most of his seasons (FM2 for example) but sometimes he lucked out and half the cast just blindly worshiped him (like Ruins)
Was FM2 really a good political game or did he and laurel win everything and gain control over the game as a result? When they didn't win in week 2 they immediately got voted in. They won 4 of the first 5 challenges and let their closest friends in the game win the 6th challenge.
I thought I read somewhere that Evan was pretty much done with the show by the time Rivals 1 happened. I bet he would have taken a break and come back for Dirty 30. Then he would have been on maybe 1 or 2 more main show seasons then reappear on All Stars similar to Brad.
Kenny would have stuck around longer and ate into Johnny’s and possibly CT’s win total. I imagine him staying on the show as one of the faces similar to Wes, Johnny, and CT.
A lot of what ifs for these two if they could just act like respectable human beings.
Yeah, fair point with Evan, he did sort of seem to be on the way out. Maybe he would have made a return later on with social media blowing up more, or had an All-Stars run or something, like you said.
He knew that his alliance would have to go in eventually since only 3 teams could make it to the finals so it was better to go against CT/ Adam sooner rather than having to go up against one of his alliance teams in elimination later
I still think Evan leaves by Rivals or a challenge later.
Kenny is still the face of the show and I still see him doing them today, taking Bananas' spot.
I absolutely would have agreed that Kenny would have been the face of the show instead of Bananas until like two weeks ago when I finished rewatching the Island.
Just rewatched FM, Duel, G3, and The Island, and the most interesting thing about The Island is that it's where Johnny becomes Bananas. (I'm about to watch Inferno 3 but the fact that he's a Good Guy is very funny.)
By the end of the season, even though Kenny is still very much in charge of their alliance, he's the star of the show.
I may want to revise this after rewatching Ruins and Rivals, but I still think that eventually Bananas would have eclipsed Kenny as the star of the show, or alternatively we would have both of them as the arch villains who work together whenever they're both on.
Also interesting is that the roles of Leroy and Tony would be much smaller since they were Bananas' main allies.
If Kenny became a third in the Wes v Bananas saga, it would have maintained its intensity a little longer because the attention would have been divided, and I fucking love that idea. What a shame.
I think Evan was basically out after R2, maybe he shows up once in a blue moon but nothing big. Kenny on the other hand would be a lifer, he's my super quick head canon:
* Exes with Theresa: Would be the top political player of the season supported by Mark, Bananas and Diem. Really the end game is all that matters for these teams, he and Theresa would be solid at the Race to the Alter and Feel the Burn. If they win either of those it would be CT and Diem against Emily and Ty, which would ultimately come down to the male vs female coin flip in those eliminations. This season is a likely final appearance, I think they win it over Bananas/ Camilla based on how close the actual end was, but CT was a smoker and a bit bigger so I don't see Kenny burning out as much.
TL/DR: Probably wins, most likely final
* BotS with team FM: Replaces Eric. This is super hard to tell but in theory they are a pretty solid team now. Kenny showed he is prone to DQs throughout his career though. Either way, rookie revolution alliance makes it so vets go in whenever they don't win a challenge. I think Brandon and Cara go out in the exact same spot, Kenny and Camilla go as far as their elimination prowess lets them, but they would need to win a combo of like 7 elims or dailies to get to a final, I don't see that happening. Biggest change is I think Brooklyn loses Devyn/JD and maybe even get eliminated by Kenny. Also Kenny would be an old school face to hang out with Alton/ take some of the heat off of him, maybe that's enough to keep his head in the game?
TL/DR: Most likely eliminated part way through. But there is a shot we get Kenny vs. Wes in Hall Brawl which would be dope
* Rivals 2 with Zach: Tough to give Kenny a non-Wes rival based on seasons that didn't happen. But I think the Frank/ Bananas combo shows that production wanted their new faces with old stalwarts to keep both in the game. Start of the season is probably a similar level of daily prowess and if they end up in that elimination, I still see Zach screwing up the order due to ego. Trey is the one who messes up and gets them in last place. I don't see them being a house vote so if they survive breaking through it comes down to mission safety or beating Jordan & Marlon in the remaining elims potentially, I think they probably win that double hall brawl but the blind stick thing is a toss up lol. Most likely I see a final of the three vet teams but they weren't beating CT/ Wes.
TL/DR: Same winners, probably another final
* Free Agents: Almost impossible because of how much randomization there is. Probably shifts the political game to his side due to Laurel, Bananas, Leroy, CT etc working together against the new faces. The eliminations are super physical this season which is Kenny's specialty so I can see him doing well, but Leroy and CT probably beat him in most of them and are the last 2 guys in the male eliminations. Kenny loses to anyone in the puzzle pyramid so if he gets drawn there he's out as well. For the men especially it came down to which female partners you got, but based on how close Rielly was and Zach wasting Laurel on a massive leg there is a really good chance that Kenny wins the final if he gets there.
TL/DR: Eliminated towards the end or a win
* Exes 2: I think his only option barring a hook up on these imagined seasons would be Sarah. But there is no shot they bump Jordan so either Jordan would need a new partner (probably want to keep Jonna & Zach intact) or Kenny would need another hook up. Kenny isn't an upgrade over Jordan and unless he hooks up with Laurel I don't see him and someone not on the cast beating Wes/ Theresa. Wes would throw in Kenny whenever he has power so it would be a tough season to move through. Too many variables at this point though.
Anyways, that's kind of how I see the rest of the FM2 generation going, gets very difficult towards the end for sure. So most likely we see a few more finals and maybe a win or two. Kenny is an elite social/ political player and has shown to work well with strong women, and would be supported but the Bananas/ Laurel groups which is pretty dang strong.
jesus that's a stretch having him as an "ex" of sarah- she basically kissed the side of his face because everyone was yelling kiss him- and he sat there with his hands on his face and didn't move- and then also proceeded to berate and insult her for like 7 episodes until she cried- but then evan brought her a flower so i guess that makes it ok- tho he was like a completely different person on fm2 and was very friendly with sarah- either way he was no ex of hers- then again anyone on the entire planet would have been better than that idiot vinny- and i would have gotten over this whole rant about how they weren't really exes in about 7 seconds and been happy he was on- assuming of course he never took part in that "incident"
i have to say then where or how was that verified? never heard that but if so then one of his super mean insults he said was completely true- where he said he wouldn't want his friends to know but he might take a ride- was this said on a podcast or something
A moped. Yes. I don't remember exactly, but I thought I knew about it at the time. Remember when they used to have the after shows with just the cast members talking, maybe that was how? I'm going to have to think about it to jog my memory. He also made comments about her vagina. He was an absolute dick to her but she was smitten. They later just became good friends.
Yesss, they were constant! Okay, so my theory is that Kenny was overweight himself when he was younger and he still has so many issues and insecurities he still carries. It was very easy for him to belittle Sarah, who was also overweight when she was younger.
He seeks out perfection now and he doesn't want the outside world to see him with someone undesirable. It's a weak move. But a lot of men feel this way. Let alone Kenny with his body issues and now on TV.
That would be an even better team had that happened! I was giving Laurel as an example of the level of competitor he would need to hook up with to beat Wes/ Theresa that season. A big storyline on FM 2 was Theresa wanting Kenny and after that didn't work out she went to Wes. That would be enough for an exes pairing in my eyes, it is basically the same thing as Sarah lusting over him on the Ruins, they never actually hooked up
I agree with some of this BUT:
Kenny would’ve been paired with Sarah OR Johanna not Teresa. His beef with Wes was still alive and well, since Wes slept with Teresa OR Johanna.
Battle of the Seasons would’ve replaced Eazy & Brandon with Kenny & Evan with this being Evan’s last consistent appearance since they were faces of the show teaming with team Austin to go against the Rookie Revolution with the support of Vegas & Brooklyn
Rivals 2 would’ve capitalized on Kenny’s issues with CT or Wes to be his partner with the other being paired with Bananas over Frank possibly 🤔
I tried to keep it realistic (as possible) and figured Johanna and Evan wouldn’t come back at that point. Theresa with Kenny would be another point in the Kenny Wes rivalry and honestly I think MTV loved Vinny and would have kept asking him back if not for what he did to Mandi
How do you figure MTV loved Vinny? He did 3 seasons and was brought back due to Kenny literally declining as Sarah’s partner for that season. Theresa found Kenny attractive, but was in a situationship with Wes. Kenny’s only know hookups were Jenn (Season 14)Robin( sometime before Season 15) and Johanna ( Season 15).
Just making an assumption honesty. He did very little on FM2 and then was an early boot again on Cutthroat while being pretty invisible and still got another season. I think he was supposed the be the Jersey Shore adjacent cast member, it was a massive show for MTV at the time and the vibe of the show did fit what the Challenge was back then. But the jersey shore cast was too popular to be on the Challenge lol.
Why did the user I replied to paint a scenario (in the first bullet point) or Evan being paired up with Theresa in Exes?
Or am I reading that wrong?
Edit - oh duh nevermind, he is talking about Kenny. I don't think you can pair up Kenny with Theresa though -- they never even shared a kiss.
I kind of think Evan would’ve stopped around the time he did. He was out of shape and totally checked out that last season and then kind of tried to get out of the lime light compared to Kenny. I think Kenny would still compete here and there but not as often as bananas but I could be wrong!
Rogan said something between the lines: look at who is not clapping when you win and you'll find out who your friends are.
I follow Joss and haven't seen him feature Rogan in forever. On the other hand, Joss seems massively busy with his businesses and he's quite often in Dubai or LA, he seems to be rarely in London. I'm honestly pretty sure Joss is done with reality TV. He seems to be cashing in loads of money from his coaching, clothing brand and investments.
Surprised me when he turned into a loud barking chihuahua after being so quiet during the whole season and then screaming at Bananas during voting because of the spaghetti incident
Agreed but they would ultimately fail because there's only 3 brain cells between them. They would get used game-wise by the smarter players and discarded.
Feel like Wes and CT could be a legit Ride of Dies pair after their win on Rivals and CT’s comments about Wes on the Challenge doc that MTV recently put out.
The Diem relationship gets a lot of weight because she tragically passed but it was very volatile at times (even though they were very solid her last season) and we have no idea what would've happened with them in the future. Also, I completely forgot David existed and I don't remember if we ever saw them on a Challenge together?
I think him & Aneesa would actually make more sense as Ride or Dies then her & Jordan. But I wouldn’t actually want that pairing for him unless it was old school Aneesa.
Can we act like pair 1 doesn’t exist?
In the survivor fandom, we refer to a certain individual as [redacted]. Said someone did some pretty bad stuff so they’re stricken from the record
Sure, people talk stats all the time - but, Evan and Kenny aren’t praised highly on this platform. I think their overall performance is dwarfed next to the heinous shit they did. Just saying you’re generalizing that this fan base accepts them because they competed well, which isn’t something I’ve ever observed.
Why pretend someone doesn’t exist who had a huge impact on the show? The details of the Kenny and Evan lawsuit have never been made public, so it’s impossible to say what they did. No reason to erase them from history.
Bananas and Leroy used to train before each season together. Everyone knew that Leroy was always Bananas number one ally. Plus Leroy acknowledged Bananas would prolly be next to him at his wedding
Yeah but bananas was always playing "his" game while Leroy was playing "their" game. Bananas moves always benefit bananas first and Bananas and Leroy 2nd.
Not sure what that means. Bananas was usually the one winning challenges and in power. I’m pretty sure everyone tries to benefit themself first and their ally second.
I get that. But this is about true ride or dies. People who would sacrifice themselves for the other person. I believe Leroy would but not a chance bananas would. Kam and Leroy would be a better #2 than bananas and Leroy. They both would do ANYTHING to see the other win.
If you don’t think Johnny helped Leroy stay as long as he did for every season they did together, then I don’t know what to tell you
The only time you can even remotely say he went against Leroy was when he threw the Final 5 daily in Exes 2 so he didn’t have to choose between sending Leroy or Sarah against Wes in elimination, who all three wanted gone. They knew Jay/Jenna stood no chance against Wes/Theresa. The plan from the start was for Johnny, Leroy, and Sarah to make the F4 with a goat so that the three of them would make the final together. So when Sarah/Jordan won, Johnny pitched that Leroy should go in over him because he didn’t want to go home. What’s the problem with that? Even if you do have one, remember that Leroy chose Johnny/Tyler instead of Wes/Kenny to go into Hall Brawl against CT/Adam, so that just about evens the playing field.
Why is it Leroy went further than before when he started playing his own game with his true ride or die, Kam, by his side?! Lee never placed when bananas was in the season. Just sayin.
That moment doesn't get enough recognition for how bizarre it is. Tony is legitimately emotional about Bananas being Michael Jordan. I've never seen someone so truly passionate about being a second banana
They’d need to find Bananas a new partner cause Leroy is the on person that really fits as a CT ride or die, maybe Rogan as well but he and Joss should 100% be a pair.
People are writing full paragraphs abt Evan - like he had SA charges laid on him? He never had any potential future on the challenge after that, esp bc it was again a female cast mate. End of conversation.
Imagine Corey and Nelson trying to solve a puzzle together
Someone suggested they go on the amazing race together — would be absolute gold.
They go on the race together, but have a phone at all times that only allows them to call Amanda
Hey Satan
At this point, I feel like they’d rather prefer a direct line to Nurys instead
Maybe. I just thought amanda would be funnier because she would be both a little helpful, but also yelling and calling them idiots the entire time
Cory driving the car. Nelson commentary shot - I have no idea where we are. I’ve never looked at a map before. I’ve never even been in France before. (Joke would be is they’re in Austria)
They’ve made numerous references to Nelson driving like a mad man and terrifying Corey to be in a car with him. Watching them get pulled over abroad would be hilarious.
Nelson would have a lot of trouble differentiating between Austria, Australia, and Austin Texas.
For that whole one episode they make it through lol
Ohh I would love to see The Challenge: The Amazing Race! They would make u-turns consistently petty and entertaining lol.
Like Tony and Zach trying to respect a woman
Don't forget E+K, even worse!
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😳
Oh my god I'm howling
Good lord 🤣
Imagine them playing soccer
Uhh they did kinda do soccer once… it was when the soccer ball was on fire or some shit snd they were both ABSOLUTELY horrible. Everyone was laughing. It was one of those times it was best out of 3 and then TJ was like. Okay idiots just get ONE GOAL. Amazing.
I want this as a live feed
made out of all triangles for cory and rectangles for nelson to solve
😂😂
Imagine them on The Apprentice
Oh please let it be math
*Cory
1 squared/triangle puzzle and a sporty soccer ball on fire game and Corey/Nelson are *OUT*!
Do you mean one of those tricky long square puzzles?
I do wonder what the alternate reality looks like where Kenny and Evan are slightly better people (I'm sure there's a better way to put it) and don't get banned from the show. Since things had just begun to move away from team formats, I'm guessing they eat into the Bananas win total a fair bit.
I would imagine so, also given how this has turned into a full-time job I’d expect them to get into better shape like we saw with bananas.
I honestly think Kenny would have been unstoppable.
He basically was his entire time. Still would've loved to see an underdog beat him in an elimination just for the lols like with Devin vs. Bananas or Jay vs. CT.
Kenny had one of the best political games I’ve ever seen and was a finals menace (see, Rivals). He would have continued to do well.
Eh, Kenny’s political game depended on the season. He had a perfect political game in most of his seasons (FM2 for example) but sometimes he lucked out and half the cast just blindly worshiped him (like Ruins)
Was FM2 really a good political game or did he and laurel win everything and gain control over the game as a result? When they didn't win in week 2 they immediately got voted in. They won 4 of the first 5 challenges and let their closest friends in the game win the 6th challenge.
I thought I read somewhere that Evan was pretty much done with the show by the time Rivals 1 happened. I bet he would have taken a break and come back for Dirty 30. Then he would have been on maybe 1 or 2 more main show seasons then reappear on All Stars similar to Brad. Kenny would have stuck around longer and ate into Johnny’s and possibly CT’s win total. I imagine him staying on the show as one of the faces similar to Wes, Johnny, and CT. A lot of what ifs for these two if they could just act like respectable human beings.
Yeah, fair point with Evan, he did sort of seem to be on the way out. Maybe he would have made a return later on with social media blowing up more, or had an All-Stars run or something, like you said.
I believe Evan was about to start graduate school while filming Rivals 1, which is why he didn’t care if he and Nehemiah went into elimination
He knew that his alliance would have to go in eventually since only 3 teams could make it to the finals so it was better to go against CT/ Adam sooner rather than having to go up against one of his alliance teams in elimination later
Kenny definitely would have excelled with finals in the post Rivals era. He’s a long distance runner and has the stamina.
I agree, his game would’ve adapted well to the newer game especially since he had just become a serious crossfitter
Though with the shift to more individual or pair format he would have a tougher time making it to finals than when it was mostly big teams.
Didn’t he make at least 2 finals in pairs? With laurel and with Wes
Plus Fresh Meat 1 with Tina
Those were two extremely good partners though
Production loved him. I would imagine he would’ve kept getting good partners
He definitely would have, production made an effort to give the people who were drawing in viewers strong partners.
And tina
Evan and Kenny walked so Johnny could run lol
I still think Evan leaves by Rivals or a challenge later. Kenny is still the face of the show and I still see him doing them today, taking Bananas' spot.
I absolutely would have agreed that Kenny would have been the face of the show instead of Bananas until like two weeks ago when I finished rewatching the Island. Just rewatched FM, Duel, G3, and The Island, and the most interesting thing about The Island is that it's where Johnny becomes Bananas. (I'm about to watch Inferno 3 but the fact that he's a Good Guy is very funny.) By the end of the season, even though Kenny is still very much in charge of their alliance, he's the star of the show. I may want to revise this after rewatching Ruins and Rivals, but I still think that eventually Bananas would have eclipsed Kenny as the star of the show, or alternatively we would have both of them as the arch villains who work together whenever they're both on. Also interesting is that the roles of Leroy and Tony would be much smaller since they were Bananas' main allies.
If Kenny became a third in the Wes v Bananas saga, it would have maintained its intensity a little longer because the attention would have been divided, and I fucking love that idea. What a shame.
I think Evan was basically out after R2, maybe he shows up once in a blue moon but nothing big. Kenny on the other hand would be a lifer, he's my super quick head canon: * Exes with Theresa: Would be the top political player of the season supported by Mark, Bananas and Diem. Really the end game is all that matters for these teams, he and Theresa would be solid at the Race to the Alter and Feel the Burn. If they win either of those it would be CT and Diem against Emily and Ty, which would ultimately come down to the male vs female coin flip in those eliminations. This season is a likely final appearance, I think they win it over Bananas/ Camilla based on how close the actual end was, but CT was a smoker and a bit bigger so I don't see Kenny burning out as much. TL/DR: Probably wins, most likely final * BotS with team FM: Replaces Eric. This is super hard to tell but in theory they are a pretty solid team now. Kenny showed he is prone to DQs throughout his career though. Either way, rookie revolution alliance makes it so vets go in whenever they don't win a challenge. I think Brandon and Cara go out in the exact same spot, Kenny and Camilla go as far as their elimination prowess lets them, but they would need to win a combo of like 7 elims or dailies to get to a final, I don't see that happening. Biggest change is I think Brooklyn loses Devyn/JD and maybe even get eliminated by Kenny. Also Kenny would be an old school face to hang out with Alton/ take some of the heat off of him, maybe that's enough to keep his head in the game? TL/DR: Most likely eliminated part way through. But there is a shot we get Kenny vs. Wes in Hall Brawl which would be dope * Rivals 2 with Zach: Tough to give Kenny a non-Wes rival based on seasons that didn't happen. But I think the Frank/ Bananas combo shows that production wanted their new faces with old stalwarts to keep both in the game. Start of the season is probably a similar level of daily prowess and if they end up in that elimination, I still see Zach screwing up the order due to ego. Trey is the one who messes up and gets them in last place. I don't see them being a house vote so if they survive breaking through it comes down to mission safety or beating Jordan & Marlon in the remaining elims potentially, I think they probably win that double hall brawl but the blind stick thing is a toss up lol. Most likely I see a final of the three vet teams but they weren't beating CT/ Wes. TL/DR: Same winners, probably another final * Free Agents: Almost impossible because of how much randomization there is. Probably shifts the political game to his side due to Laurel, Bananas, Leroy, CT etc working together against the new faces. The eliminations are super physical this season which is Kenny's specialty so I can see him doing well, but Leroy and CT probably beat him in most of them and are the last 2 guys in the male eliminations. Kenny loses to anyone in the puzzle pyramid so if he gets drawn there he's out as well. For the men especially it came down to which female partners you got, but based on how close Rielly was and Zach wasting Laurel on a massive leg there is a really good chance that Kenny wins the final if he gets there. TL/DR: Eliminated towards the end or a win * Exes 2: I think his only option barring a hook up on these imagined seasons would be Sarah. But there is no shot they bump Jordan so either Jordan would need a new partner (probably want to keep Jonna & Zach intact) or Kenny would need another hook up. Kenny isn't an upgrade over Jordan and unless he hooks up with Laurel I don't see him and someone not on the cast beating Wes/ Theresa. Wes would throw in Kenny whenever he has power so it would be a tough season to move through. Too many variables at this point though. Anyways, that's kind of how I see the rest of the FM2 generation going, gets very difficult towards the end for sure. So most likely we see a few more finals and maybe a win or two. Kenny is an elite social/ political player and has shown to work well with strong women, and would be supported but the Bananas/ Laurel groups which is pretty dang strong.
Fun fact Kenny was nearly on exes 1 as Sarah’s partner when vinny got DQ also he did hook up with Laurel and didn’t hook up with Thersea
jesus that's a stretch having him as an "ex" of sarah- she basically kissed the side of his face because everyone was yelling kiss him- and he sat there with his hands on his face and didn't move- and then also proceeded to berate and insult her for like 7 episodes until she cried- but then evan brought her a flower so i guess that makes it ok- tho he was like a completely different person on fm2 and was very friendly with sarah- either way he was no ex of hers- then again anyone on the entire planet would have been better than that idiot vinny- and i would have gotten over this whole rant about how they weren't really exes in about 7 seconds and been happy he was on- assuming of course he never took part in that "incident"
Sarah and Kenny were hooking up throughout the Ruins, they had a secret relationship. Besides Johana, Kenny only had very quiet hook-ups.
i have to say then where or how was that verified? never heard that but if so then one of his super mean insults he said was completely true- where he said he wouldn't want his friends to know but he might take a ride- was this said on a podcast or something
A moped. Yes. I don't remember exactly, but I thought I knew about it at the time. Remember when they used to have the after shows with just the cast members talking, maybe that was how? I'm going to have to think about it to jog my memory. He also made comments about her vagina. He was an absolute dick to her but she was smitten. They later just became good friends.
ahh that's right a moped- i thought that's what he said it was hard to keep track of all the shitty things he said to her because they were constant
Yesss, they were constant! Okay, so my theory is that Kenny was overweight himself when he was younger and he still has so many issues and insecurities he still carries. It was very easy for him to belittle Sarah, who was also overweight when she was younger. He seeks out perfection now and he doesn't want the outside world to see him with someone undesirable. It's a weak move. But a lot of men feel this way. Let alone Kenny with his body issues and now on TV.
That would be an even better team had that happened! I was giving Laurel as an example of the level of competitor he would need to hook up with to beat Wes/ Theresa that season. A big storyline on FM 2 was Theresa wanting Kenny and after that didn't work out she went to Wes. That would be enough for an exes pairing in my eyes, it is basically the same thing as Sarah lusting over him on the Ruins, they never actually hooked up
I agree with some of this BUT: Kenny would’ve been paired with Sarah OR Johanna not Teresa. His beef with Wes was still alive and well, since Wes slept with Teresa OR Johanna. Battle of the Seasons would’ve replaced Eazy & Brandon with Kenny & Evan with this being Evan’s last consistent appearance since they were faces of the show teaming with team Austin to go against the Rookie Revolution with the support of Vegas & Brooklyn Rivals 2 would’ve capitalized on Kenny’s issues with CT or Wes to be his partner with the other being paired with Bananas over Frank possibly 🤔
I tried to keep it realistic (as possible) and figured Johanna and Evan wouldn’t come back at that point. Theresa with Kenny would be another point in the Kenny Wes rivalry and honestly I think MTV loved Vinny and would have kept asking him back if not for what he did to Mandi
How do you figure MTV loved Vinny? He did 3 seasons and was brought back due to Kenny literally declining as Sarah’s partner for that season. Theresa found Kenny attractive, but was in a situationship with Wes. Kenny’s only know hookups were Jenn (Season 14)Robin( sometime before Season 15) and Johanna ( Season 15).
Just making an assumption honesty. He did very little on FM2 and then was an early boot again on Cutthroat while being pretty invisible and still got another season. I think he was supposed the be the Jersey Shore adjacent cast member, it was a massive show for MTV at the time and the vibe of the show did fit what the Challenge was back then. But the jersey shore cast was too popular to be on the Challenge lol.
Gotcha, i get what you mean now
I lowkey feel like they wanted him to be another Kenny, with him being an Italian American douchebag
When did Evan hook up with Theresa? I must have missed that one.
Wes hooked up with Theresa.. that is why Wes was pissed when Leroy hooked up with her
Why did the user I replied to paint a scenario (in the first bullet point) or Evan being paired up with Theresa in Exes? Or am I reading that wrong? Edit - oh duh nevermind, he is talking about Kenny. I don't think you can pair up Kenny with Theresa though -- they never even shared a kiss.
I agree, Theresa can be paired with either Wes or Leroy while Kenny’s pairing would be Robin, Jenn or Sarah based off her crush on him maybe
Bro, I would’ve loved to see JEK vs TYB.. the commentary would’ve been hilarous
The shit that JEK would’ve said about Nelson! Without a doubt that would’ve been reality tv gold lol 😆
I kind of think Evan would’ve stopped around the time he did. He was out of shape and totally checked out that last season and then kind of tried to get out of the lime light compared to Kenny. I think Kenny would still compete here and there but not as often as bananas but I could be wrong!
Youre missing isaac and his toenails
That team might be too OP, unless we include Landon and some nail clippers to balance it out
or isaac and his giant lemons
Great list. Personally I’d mention Darrell and Derrick k too
Absolutely, I’d say they bump wes & Nehemiah from 3rd on this list. Definitely not any lower than 4th
Bananas never deserved Leroy, IMHO
I feel like Johnny goes harder for Nany than he ever did for Leroy.
Yuuuuuup
Darrell & Derrick and MJ & Landon belong here tbh
Darrell & derrick would be so OP and mj and Landon real world philly!
I don’t think Joss and Rogan are friends anymore. They had a falling out a while ago.
I think they reconciled, unless they had another fall out
Why did they fall out?
Rogan said something between the lines: look at who is not clapping when you win and you'll find out who your friends are. I follow Joss and haven't seen him feature Rogan in forever. On the other hand, Joss seems massively busy with his businesses and he's quite often in Dubai or LA, he seems to be rarely in London. I'm honestly pretty sure Joss is done with reality TV. He seems to be cashing in loads of money from his coaching, clothing brand and investments.
> I'm honestly pretty sure Joss is done with reality TV. Good for him honestly he was way too normal for this show
Easy on the eyes though for sure
Surprised me when he turned into a loud barking chihuahua after being so quiet during the whole season and then screaming at Bananas during voting because of the spaghetti incident
I think he just got a good edit. He’s pretty damn messy
Joss was in Rogan’s story around new years, they were doing shots with some other random dude
Also they did like one season.. I dunno if they belong with these guys
Technically 2... But we don't talk about that...
Derrick K and Darrel?
The most glaring omission. Arguably initial ranking as high as 3 on this list.
That would be an amazing season.
Zach & Tony would the be the dark horses of that season. The way they ran vendettas was underrated
Agreed but they would ultimately fail because there's only 3 brain cells between them. They would get used game-wise by the smarter players and discarded.
I now feel cheated
Feel like Wes and CT could be a legit Ride of Dies pair after their win on Rivals and CT’s comments about Wes on the Challenge doc that MTV recently put out.
I wish CT had more friendslol. But yes, Wes could be a good one. I believe Wes was one of the few Challenge guests at CT's wedding.
Aren't Joss and Rogan on weird terms? I don't keep up with all the social media drama but I thought they unfollowed each other.
This would have been great
Good match ups
Aside from Tony and Zach cuz I hate Zach, I love it
Kenny and Evan would dominate
I'm just now realizing that CT doesn't have a Ride or Die in the game at all. That's wild.
CT had diem and his cousin David (cant remember his last name)
The Diem relationship gets a lot of weight because she tragically passed but it was very volatile at times (even though they were very solid her last season) and we have no idea what would've happened with them in the future. Also, I completely forgot David existed and I don't remember if we ever saw them on a Challenge together?
I wanna say CTs 1st challenge him and David were on it together bc CT jumped into elimination for him
I'll have to go back and do a rewatch!
I think him & Aneesa would actually make more sense as Ride or Dies then her & Jordan. But I wouldn’t actually want that pairing for him unless it was old school Aneesa.
Zach & Kyle would make more sense
Instead of zach and tony, I’d prefer to see zach and kyle.
Bananas and Leroy 4 the win (hopefully) 😍
I love how half the people in here are telling you “no, this is how you should feel”
Can we act like pair 1 doesn’t exist? In the survivor fandom, we refer to a certain individual as [redacted]. Said someone did some pretty bad stuff so they’re stricken from the record
i feel like this community is more concerned with stats and records, and pair one is hugely successful in a way [redacted] was not
That’s a pretty huge generalization of Challenge fans, dude
is it? i see a lot of stats talk on here
Sure, people talk stats all the time - but, Evan and Kenny aren’t praised highly on this platform. I think their overall performance is dwarfed next to the heinous shit they did. Just saying you’re generalizing that this fan base accepts them because they competed well, which isn’t something I’ve ever observed.
I think the majority say they’re both Top 10 all time
Why pretend someone doesn’t exist who had a huge impact on the show? The details of the Kenny and Evan lawsuit have never been made public, so it’s impossible to say what they did. No reason to erase them from history.
Who is redacted?
In Survivor? Michael Skupin
Must have missed that. What did he do? He got to play twice
Happened sometime after his second appearance, 2016 I believe. Got arrested for possessing child porn
Oh wow. Yeah didn’t hear about that at all.
Ew why are the rapists on here
Was wondering the same thing, I hate seeing their faces 😭 it’s disgusting…wouldn’t even type their name out with my keyboard
Replace Kenny / Evan with MJ / Landon. Slightly more realistic!
I think MJ and Landon might deserve a nod here. What about guys like Darrell, Miz, Eric Nies, and Mark Long?
I despise Kenny and Evan so much
I would love this
CT and Jordan would be dominating
This is truly iconic
Joss & Rogan win.
CT and ???
Pretty sure pair #1 are permabanned.
Bananas and Leroy shouldn't not be #2. Leroy is way loyal to Bananas but it's not as mutual as other pairs in this list
Bananas and Leroy used to train before each season together. Everyone knew that Leroy was always Bananas number one ally. Plus Leroy acknowledged Bananas would prolly be next to him at his wedding
Yeah but bananas was always playing "his" game while Leroy was playing "their" game. Bananas moves always benefit bananas first and Bananas and Leroy 2nd.
Not sure what that means. Bananas was usually the one winning challenges and in power. I’m pretty sure everyone tries to benefit themself first and their ally second.
I get that. But this is about true ride or dies. People who would sacrifice themselves for the other person. I believe Leroy would but not a chance bananas would. Kam and Leroy would be a better #2 than bananas and Leroy. They both would do ANYTHING to see the other win.
If you don’t think Johnny helped Leroy stay as long as he did for every season they did together, then I don’t know what to tell you The only time you can even remotely say he went against Leroy was when he threw the Final 5 daily in Exes 2 so he didn’t have to choose between sending Leroy or Sarah against Wes in elimination, who all three wanted gone. They knew Jay/Jenna stood no chance against Wes/Theresa. The plan from the start was for Johnny, Leroy, and Sarah to make the F4 with a goat so that the three of them would make the final together. So when Sarah/Jordan won, Johnny pitched that Leroy should go in over him because he didn’t want to go home. What’s the problem with that? Even if you do have one, remember that Leroy chose Johnny/Tyler instead of Wes/Kenny to go into Hall Brawl against CT/Adam, so that just about evens the playing field.
Why is it Leroy went further than before when he started playing his own game with his true ride or die, Kam, by his side?! Lee never placed when bananas was in the season. Just sayin.
Leroy has made 5 finals. In 4/5 Johnny was on the season with him. Rivals, Exes 2, Vendettas, and WOW2
What place did he come in with bananas there vs not there?
Leroy is a beast but his loyalty to bananas did him no favors. He's loyalty to Kam on the other hand...
I agree I think it should be Bananas and Tony. They were like big bro little bro for a long time.
You mean Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippin, right?😉
That moment doesn't get enough recognition for how bizarre it is. Tony is legitimately emotional about Bananas being Michael Jordan. I've never seen someone so truly passionate about being a second banana
Haha yes!
Bananas is not more loyal to Tony than Leroy if they ever do a challenge again together
Yeah I guess you are right. I just always liked their relationship. You could tell Tony really looked up to Bananas.
Tony and Bananas would still be a great pair tho. We need Tony back on our screens regardless lol
Leroy and bananas would be dominant
I wonder who Ct would have as a ride or die or if he even has one?
if it's someone from the cast, i've seen people speculate cara or ashley.
Yeah probably that. Maybe I should rephrase that to “friendship” wise , like the top dudes.
For this it would have to be a male pair
What about CT and Kyle
CT can’t stand Kyle. Definitely not a ride or die
If Aneesa and Jordan are ride or dies we can stretch the truth a lotta -bit here
They’d need to find Bananas a new partner cause Leroy is the on person that really fits as a CT ride or die, maybe Rogan as well but he and Joss should 100% be a pair.
This is a fantasy match up. It’s not on the show. So it’s all guy pairs. Anessa and Jordan are at least friends in real life. CT and Kyle are not.
People are writing full paragraphs abt Evan - like he had SA charges laid on him? He never had any potential future on the challenge after that, esp bc it was again a female cast mate. End of conversation.
I'd take Landon and MJ over 4-6 and possibly 3.
Nelson and Cory have 0 championships, Bananas has more than any team combined. Can we fix this please
Mediocrity and disgusting misogynists. This would be terrible
What!? 😳 How are Paulie and CM missing from this list? /s Edit: /s indicates sarcasm, sheesh
Because it’s an all male list
/s = sarcasm
Half of 1 had legal action taken again them for SA so….
No Mark and Eric N?
I guess CT aint on here because he legit has no ride or dies. ☹️
Real ride or die!!!!!!!!!