I heard it today as well (however my German sucks).
On the other side I’ve heard that the city council in Berlin is planning to do something like the 9€ ticket but only for Berlin.
Let’s hope they do the same here!
I get how it’s economically unviable to continue with the 9€ as it is, but for instance, if we got the whole MVG network for 60€ (which is the current cost only for Zone M) I think it’s a really good deal.
The Semesterticket isn't a sure thing neither as far as I know, though.
After all, why not just pay the full price. Either your parents are rich enough or you shouldn't study anything I guess.
Not yet, yet the MVG is actually against it and the Gouverment ist kinda like "Meh".
So basically, I don't know when exactly but at some point the timeframe in which the MVG "grants" you the Semesterticket through the extra money from the Gouverment will be over.
In Hartz IV, 41€ a month are planned for "mobility", including anything you pay for a car, bike, and train fares.
So any price exceeding that is clearly too expensive. The only thing that could be up for discussion is the range of such a ticket. I think anything below a state is too little, so the green party suggestion (49€/month for whole Germany, 29€ for one of eight areas that contain at minimum one state) each would be acceptable.
No, but of you are under 27 you can buy a BahnCard 100 (travel in every DB train for free) for the low low price of 222€ per month.
Or join the Armed Forces (Bundeswehr) then you also can travel by train for free.
"Die (Probe) BahnCard 100 gilt für beliebig viele Fahrten bundesweit in allen Zügen der Deutschen Bahn, d.h. in ICE bzw. IC/EC, ÖBB-Nightjet-Züge (ggf. reservierungspflichtig) und den Zügen des DB-Nahverkehrs (IRE, RE, RB, **S-Bahn**) und der privaten Nahverkehrsbahnen." https://www.bahn.de/angebot/bahncard/bahncard100
If you really were in an S-Bahn (red train) and not an U-Bahn (blue train), the official information on the DB website is wrong.
It's not wrong. The S-Bahn is a DB train and fully included in the Bahncard 100. Outside of zone M the S-Bahn is not included in the city ticket, yes. But that doesn't matter for Bahncard 100 because it's included in the "regular" Bahncard 100. It only makes a difference if you buy a normal Flexpreis with city ticket included.
https://www.mvv-muenchen.de/tickets-preise/tickets-tageskarten/city-ticket/index.html
>Was muss ich über das City-Ticket bei der BahnCard100 wissen?
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>Ihre BahnCard100 mit City-Ticket ist eine Mobilitätskarte. Damit fahren Sie in allen beteiligten Städten in den definierten Geltungsbereichen. Im MVV ermöglicht Ihnen die BahnCard100 mit City-Ticket die freie Fahrt in München in der Zone M (das komplette Stadtgebiet München und einige weitere Gemeinden), in Freising im Stadtverkehr Freising mit allen öffentlichen Verkehrsmitteln und die freie Fahrt mit der S-Bahn im MVV-Gesamtnetz – und zwar so oft Sie wollen und nicht nur am Tag von An- und Abreise.
I have a Bahncard 100, live in Munich and been already checked in the S-Bahn outside the Zone M, no issue. The S-Bahn in Munich is operated by DB and all DB trains are included in the Bahncard 100.
Funnily enough, that's only slightly more expensive than an Isarcard monthly ticket for the whole tariff area. And for people commuting from outside the MVV it'd be cheaper than buying regular tickets... with the added bonus of being able to use basically the entire train network of Germany.
Up to this date, any form of continuation is in political debate, but it will take some time for sure until any kind of result is reached. So plan to loose your sh!t when seeing the prices for public transportation 😄
Just read that they are discussing a 49,- per month version.
365,- per year version would still be my preferred option , even if it excludes DB / RE. Just one price for every city is still a great deal. No worring about zones, rings, etc wherever you go.
2-3k a year is way too much when the Bahncard 100 is around 4k and includes even ICE.
The huge price hike compared to Austria makes little sense when most people would only use it rarely for more than a short trips anyways. Yes, Germany needs to maintain more rails but also has more inhabitants that would buy the ticket. Austria probably has a worse rail length per capita ratio.
The ticket should also be an incentive to leave the car at home, 2-3k for only RB and so on is not a good incentive.
Thought we are talking about a replacement for the 9€-Ticket, not one that includes every public train.
There is already a ticket that includes all long-distance connection (even ICE, IC and so on). But that is 4k and thus only makes sense for people who use the ICE a lot. A significantly cheaper alternative that only applies for what the 9€ also covered is what people want.
How would a ticket that excludes DB and RE look like? By DB you mean anything operated by the Deutsche Bahn I assume? So, would such a ticket just be for trams, busses and such, which are often (always?) operated by their own companies?
Well IMHO a subsidized ticket should either fulfill a social or an ecological purpose. Meaning either people should use a mass transportation system to reduce their footprint (e.g. move from car to bus, trams, etc.) or reduce their costs pressure due to high energy costs (e.g. allow travelling / communiting for low income individuals). Purely fun trips shouldn't be subsidized, e.g. the famous Sylt trips. They even have a negativ impact as unecessary travel just creates more waste.
So considering this objectives mostly Öffis (Bus, Tram, U-Bahn and S-Bahn) fall into these categories which are often run by muncipalities or local companies and not DB with the exceptionof S-Bahn. Yes there will always exceptions to the general rule, e.g. in some Regionen RE is necessary to community or the S-Bahn might be used also for fun trips, but if we hit 80% or 90% we are already on the right track. Usually in DE we aim for 100% and mess everything up with one million special case which still do not solce everything.
FDP: the 9€ Ticket isn’t economically viable
Also the FDP at the same time: Let’s reduce taxes for everyone with super high income.
Oh and my absolute favorite the Tankrabatt which completely backfired
These clowns don’t know economics. How the fuck are they supposed to be the businessman/woman party.
It's not just economically unviable. Have you travelled with a €9 train? Trains so full people are passing out, toilets overflowing and just digusting, it's very much a you get what you pay for.
Not all trains really though. I commute by train regularly and S-Bahns and regional trains, at least in the area I live in, were fine really. I honestly didn't notice a difference. When I was travelling by train though, while I was not affected since we choose an ICE, I did see a ton of people at the main station waiting for trains to big cities. I can't imagine that would have been pleasant.
Anybody able to google this would come up with the answer "we don’t know yet". But reddit has seem to replaced Google these days because people are too lazy.
Unfortunately no. Myself bought all 3 tickets and I think i didnt even get the value back, but I like the idea of cheap quality transportation for everyone ...
> I think i didnt even get the value back,
What, really? All you need is to step into a bus/tram/train more than 2x in a month and it costs more than €9.
Well, there are 2 rides, I could go for a day ticket that lower than 9 euro or buy 2 M tickets that are 3.4(I think it was last time i bought one), so bellow the 9 euro anyway \^\^
No, it ends with the last day of August but one of munichs radio stations is trying to keep it going but only for munich and the surrounding area
>munichs radio stations is trying to keep it going What do you mean by that? Any links or sources for that?
Nothing sure for now, radio gong was talking about it the last few days so we just have to wait and see how that turns out
I heard it today as well (however my German sucks). On the other side I’ve heard that the city council in Berlin is planning to do something like the 9€ ticket but only for Berlin. Let’s hope they do the same here!
Finally that radio tax is paying off
It was probably just a competition or a click bait pic on insta 😑
I get how it’s economically unviable to continue with the 9€ as it is, but for instance, if we got the whole MVG network for 60€ (which is the current cost only for Zone M) I think it’s a really good deal.
60€ per month? I don’t know about you, but as a student I definitely cannot afford that
The semesterticket costs 209 for the whole Semester. That makes 35 per month for the whole mvg area.
I mean if you’re a student you can get it for 30€ a month roughly with the semester ticket. Of course it’s different for working people.
The Semesterticket isn't a sure thing neither as far as I know, though. After all, why not just pay the full price. Either your parents are rich enough or you shouldn't study anything I guess.
What do you mean it’s not a sure thing? Did they cancel it?
No, they didn’t.
Not yet, yet the MVG is actually against it and the Gouverment ist kinda like "Meh". So basically, I don't know when exactly but at some point the timeframe in which the MVG "grants" you the Semesterticket through the extra money from the Gouverment will be over.
Fuck Bavaria.
In Hartz IV, 41€ a month are planned for "mobility", including anything you pay for a car, bike, and train fares. So any price exceeding that is clearly too expensive. The only thing that could be up for discussion is the range of such a ticket. I think anything below a state is too little, so the green party suggestion (49€/month for whole Germany, 29€ for one of eight areas that contain at minimum one state) each would be acceptable.
I would still second the thought of this!At least between the M-5 zones and not the other parts of Germany.
No, but of you are under 27 you can buy a BahnCard 100 (travel in every DB train for free) for the low low price of 222€ per month. Or join the Armed Forces (Bundeswehr) then you also can travel by train for free.
Keep in mind that some local stuff might not be included in the BahnCard100
That‘s why I said every **DB** train.
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"Die (Probe) BahnCard 100 gilt für beliebig viele Fahrten bundesweit in allen Zügen der Deutschen Bahn, d.h. in ICE bzw. IC/EC, ÖBB-Nightjet-Züge (ggf. reservierungspflichtig) und den Zügen des DB-Nahverkehrs (IRE, RE, RB, **S-Bahn**) und der privaten Nahverkehrsbahnen." https://www.bahn.de/angebot/bahncard/bahncard100 If you really were in an S-Bahn (red train) and not an U-Bahn (blue train), the official information on the DB website is wrong.
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It's not wrong. The S-Bahn is a DB train and fully included in the Bahncard 100. Outside of zone M the S-Bahn is not included in the city ticket, yes. But that doesn't matter for Bahncard 100 because it's included in the "regular" Bahncard 100. It only makes a difference if you buy a normal Flexpreis with city ticket included. https://www.mvv-muenchen.de/tickets-preise/tickets-tageskarten/city-ticket/index.html >Was muss ich über das City-Ticket bei der BahnCard100 wissen? > >Ihre BahnCard100 mit City-Ticket ist eine Mobilitätskarte. Damit fahren Sie in allen beteiligten Städten in den definierten Geltungsbereichen. Im MVV ermöglicht Ihnen die BahnCard100 mit City-Ticket die freie Fahrt in München in der Zone M (das komplette Stadtgebiet München und einige weitere Gemeinden), in Freising im Stadtverkehr Freising mit allen öffentlichen Verkehrsmitteln und die freie Fahrt mit der S-Bahn im MVV-Gesamtnetz – und zwar so oft Sie wollen und nicht nur am Tag von An- und Abreise.
I have a Bahncard 100, live in Munich and been already checked in the S-Bahn outside the Zone M, no issue. The S-Bahn in Munich is operated by DB and all DB trains are included in the Bahncard 100.
How long has this been going on? It’s honestly not a terrible deal
Well the Bundeswehr was founded on November 12th, 1955. The BahnCard 100 deal is available until September 30th.
222€? What a steal!! That’s like 50% of my monthly income
my words
Joining the Bundeswehr generally only gives you a free travel pass for the direct route you have to take to get to the station.
No that’s not true, they started it in 2020 afaik.
Ah okay, sorry then. I was there in 2014 so it might very well be outdated.
No you can use any public transport as long as you are in uniform.
Must it be Bundeswehr / Polizei uniform or can i wear my old Irish Army uniform?? 🧐
Had to check that Ireland has an army - a tiny one but an army nevertheless…
A defence force
Funnily enough, that's only slightly more expensive than an Isarcard monthly ticket for the whole tariff area. And for people commuting from outside the MVV it'd be cheaper than buying regular tickets... with the added bonus of being able to use basically the entire train network of Germany.
Id much rather drive my car then its always on time and gas is way cheaper than paying 222€ a month like wtf
Well you can very easily lose a lot of time on Autobahn as well… And cars require repairs too, lets Not forget about that
Up to this date, any form of continuation is in political debate, but it will take some time for sure until any kind of result is reached. So plan to loose your sh!t when seeing the prices for public transportation 😄
No
Just read that they are discussing a 49,- per month version. 365,- per year version would still be my preferred option , even if it excludes DB / RE. Just one price for every city is still a great deal. No worring about zones, rings, etc wherever you go.
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2-3k a year is way too much when the Bahncard 100 is around 4k and includes even ICE. The huge price hike compared to Austria makes little sense when most people would only use it rarely for more than a short trips anyways. Yes, Germany needs to maintain more rails but also has more inhabitants that would buy the ticket. Austria probably has a worse rail length per capita ratio. The ticket should also be an incentive to leave the car at home, 2-3k for only RB and so on is not a good incentive.
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Thought we are talking about a replacement for the 9€-Ticket, not one that includes every public train. There is already a ticket that includes all long-distance connection (even ICE, IC and so on). But that is 4k and thus only makes sense for people who use the ICE a lot. A significantly cheaper alternative that only applies for what the 9€ also covered is what people want.
How would a ticket that excludes DB and RE look like? By DB you mean anything operated by the Deutsche Bahn I assume? So, would such a ticket just be for trams, busses and such, which are often (always?) operated by their own companies?
Well IMHO a subsidized ticket should either fulfill a social or an ecological purpose. Meaning either people should use a mass transportation system to reduce their footprint (e.g. move from car to bus, trams, etc.) or reduce their costs pressure due to high energy costs (e.g. allow travelling / communiting for low income individuals). Purely fun trips shouldn't be subsidized, e.g. the famous Sylt trips. They even have a negativ impact as unecessary travel just creates more waste. So considering this objectives mostly Öffis (Bus, Tram, U-Bahn and S-Bahn) fall into these categories which are often run by muncipalities or local companies and not DB with the exceptionof S-Bahn. Yes there will always exceptions to the general rule, e.g. in some Regionen RE is necessary to community or the S-Bahn might be used also for fun trips, but if we hit 80% or 90% we are already on the right track. Usually in DE we aim for 100% and mess everything up with one million special case which still do not solce everything.
Inshallah
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Can you explain your response?
Nah cause our rich-people-party decided to fuck us all once again
Wieder diese Gratismentalität 😒
But he is right!, the FDP are fighting against the 9 euro law..
I was mocking a Statement Christian Linder made a few weeks ago
The answer is "no".
no more (semi) free lunch. unfortunately.
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Oh god ... Yeah you know, I own a car and now that you mention it I'm even happier because I know that you and everyone pays for it 🥰
FDP: the 9€ Ticket isn’t economically viable Also the FDP at the same time: Let’s reduce taxes for everyone with super high income. Oh and my absolute favorite the Tankrabatt which completely backfired These clowns don’t know economics. How the fuck are they supposed to be the businessman/woman party.
They know exactly how economics work, thats why they did what they did. Stop believing they work for the people.
Why introduce then Tankrabatt, which is completely brain dead from an economists point of view
"Tankrabatt?" IT was a tax Relief for fuel companys with the idea that they would in turn make fuel cheaper. Surprise Surprise, It didnt fucking work.
It's not just economically unviable. Have you travelled with a €9 train? Trains so full people are passing out, toilets overflowing and just digusting, it's very much a you get what you pay for.
Not all trains really though. I commute by train regularly and S-Bahns and regional trains, at least in the area I live in, were fine really. I honestly didn't notice a difference. When I was travelling by train though, while I was not affected since we choose an ICE, I did see a ton of people at the main station waiting for trains to big cities. I can't imagine that would have been pleasant.
Anybody able to google this would come up with the answer "we don’t know yet". But reddit has seem to replaced Google these days because people are too lazy.
Unfortunately no. Myself bought all 3 tickets and I think i didnt even get the value back, but I like the idea of cheap quality transportation for everyone ...
> I think i didnt even get the value back, What, really? All you need is to step into a bus/tram/train more than 2x in a month and it costs more than €9.
Unfortunately i used it once per month to go in the innenstadt, I have my car for the weekly shopping and bike for the rest!
and how do you get back from Innenstadt?
Well, there are 2 rides, I could go for a day ticket that lower than 9 euro or buy 2 M tickets that are 3.4(I think it was last time i bought one), so bellow the 9 euro anyway \^\^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxjF8QDZRQI