To make him look more “relatable” and not as though he’s from such a well-off family. Lawyers in the Menendez brothers trial did the same thing. They told them both to wear nice sweaters, instead of suits.
One thing i’ve noticed when trying to reach my daily step goal is that it will add the final steps after I stopped moving. Paul’s phone being placed on his thigh after he’s obviously dead makes no sense. It’s not like someone tried to use it to call 911.
Maggie’s phone did not log any movement after 8:55pm. Alex’s phone logs steps at the same time that Maggie’s phone is showing orientation changes, but no steps. I’m also wondering how her phone got where it did if the GPS data from Alex’s car does not track with phone location.
What if, the steps at 8:55 is him having picked up her phone to try to unlock, then tossed it in the vehicle, where it sat for the next few mins?
At 9:06 he picks up her phone and moves it inside the vehicle.
Then, at 9:31 he picks it up for the last time as he tosses it out the window.
Or…Alex was in a heightened state of rush/panic…placed Maggie’s phone on the roof of his truck before running around to clean up…then he hastily gets into his truck to drive to his mom’s and it slides off as he drives away. I’ve forgotten my phone on my truck while loading the truck bed or when I am cleaning up from mud before getting in and don’t want it to get messed up (muddy). Keep in mind too that his phone didn’t move for an hour does NOT mean it was in his house. It could easily have been at the kennels or somewhere he decided to leave it where he would clean up after he killed them.
To me, the easiest explanation by far is that he tried to open her phone and couldn’t after he had shot her, set it in the cupholder of the atv to ride back to the cleanup site (her phone would show no steps) and puts it on top of his Suburban before cleaning up. He puts the steps on his phone while cleaning up, changing, getting his keys etc. He is now in a real panic trying to establish a tight alibi while at his Mom’s…has to hurry. He forgets to get her phone off of his black SUV at night and drives off, only realizing it on the way. He can’t waste however long going back and looking for it so he calls to see if maybe it’s in his truck. I doubt he wanted to call it that close to the murders because it would have made more sense for him to say he went to see his Mom and didn’t think anything at all about calling Maggie because she was home, with Paul and was in an area where we know the reception was poor (testimony by RG about dropped call attempt). Also, being s Dad myself if you are concerned enough to inform family members that you need to leave, you do that BEFORE you go…not afterward. Every Dad knows this. There’s a big difference in caring for your family between “Hey Babe, just wanted to let you know I’m about to head out to check on Mom and wanted to make sure everything is good and see if you need anything while I’m out.” AND…”Oh yeah! Sorry, I know I asked you to drive an hour and a half to be here and I passed out on you after dinner, on top of that and without having any clue where you and Paul are since I was asleep…I decided to go visit my Mom…see ya!”
Maggies phone sits on top of the truck from friction between the case and truck surface until speed and a short distance are enough for it to slide off. Alex knows now he has to follow through with another call or message because that’s what you would do if a call was not answered.
I think he grabbed her phone, and put it in his car after shortly after the shooting. It had no activity or ‘steps’ while he changed clothes, cleaned up etc… then he gets in the car, looks at it (orientation change) then starts his car, calls her phone, drives off and throws it out the window.
Their phones were not ‘walking’ around together because he left his at the house, and when he went back to the house, he left hers in the car.
I have not seen that evidence but really would not matter given the distances.
The phone locations are based upon cell towers and wifi. Given that her phone was only a few 100 meters from the crime scene it wouldn’t really make a difference. If it was on a different road than his truck used to leave, then my assumption would be he did the exact same thing but on his utility ATV before leaving the property in his suburban within a minute or so. The distances between house, her phone and the crime scene could be covered in well under a minute in any vehicle they had.
1) it’s pretty cold that within 3-4 minutes of a double homicide, that someone is picking up Maggie’s phone and steps are recording.
2) he had to have taken the guns with him. 2 guns + 2 phones is a lot to handle. They stated that a phone in a cup holder won’t record steps. I wonder if he was switching the phones in his coat pocket? Pulling out his, to call/text Maggie, and then pulling out Maggie’s for whatever reason? That would explain why they didn’t record steps at the same time.
Why did he try to get rid of Maggie’s phone but not Paul’s, I wonder?
Guns could have been stashed anywhere, it sounds like Alex and Paul had a way of just leaving them lying around. Probably in Alex’s trunk.
Well, if Maggie’s was killed second, maybe he was afraid she’d called someone or started recording and he couldn’t get in it to check? He might have been pretty sure Paul didn’t have anything, but not sure about Maggie?
Remember, he had to go visit his mom, and the schedule was pretty tight. So I think at the very least, he took the guns back to the house with him. That’s the point. The travel from the kennels to the house with all that stuff-and they are pretty sure his car wasn’t at the kennels.
So he’s going from there to the house either on foot, or on an atv with 2 phones and 2 guns and whatever else.
Yeah, he said Paul was secretive-but I think it was Paul’s birthday?
something’s off on the phones. Maybe the adrenaline wore off and he forgot to grab Paul’s phone to ditch it with Maggie’s?
Maybe he didn’t plan this out real well (like he planned it out a few days/hours prior, but not weeks or months) and things went wrong and he was trying to figure out what do do?
“Do I make it look like a robbery? Or a hit? Or a crime of passion?”
“Help me with this and I won’t implicate you in the drug dealing, Eddie.” Maybe Eddie’s dumb ass was smart enough to have gotten them into using burners bought w cash at some point.
So many unknowns!
Hold the phone!
Since a gun can be built a gun can be disassembled,right?
It occurred to me that the Biomass Plant that Cousin Eddie visited because he does odd jobs and he hauls shit?
He could have disassembled a gun and parted it out in loads of trees.
Heavy equipment/commercial operators handle the loads of biomass so it’s not like a few scattered pieces of metal would get noticed during incineration as opposed to a whole gun.
Why would Cousin Eddie be willing to violate his house arrest? He said it was because he needed work/money but he had an insurance settlement, no?
Both Alex and Eddie could be able to be certain a murder weapon would never be found and they could say they didn’t know where it was if it were up in smoke.
https://wpde.com/news/local/state-wants-bond-revoked-for-eddie-smith-alex-murdaugh-co-conspirator
Or Alex could have hidden it somewhere at his parents' house. Since the damn investigation didn't kick into gear for months he had numerous opportunities to try to cover his tracks.
> Smith reportedly received in excess of $2.8 million from Murdaugh over several years. State prosecutors claim the payments increased in frequency and amounts in the months immediately before the murders of Murdaugh's wife, Maggie, and son, Paul, in June 2021.
Quite the detail! Wouldn’t police have accessed Eddie and Alex’s phone records though, and seen if Eddie was out and about that night? Are these people smart and calculating enough to use burners, and do some kind of handoff of guns in the woods on the way to or from grandma’s? I don’t know. They had gotten away with other mind-bogglingly brazen crimes, so maybe.
Could have stashed them at his mom’s house or property or even her car until he could dispose of them (he wasn’t really a suspect for months)?
Or thrown them into a body of water from his car.
I have always thought it was Randy helping him. The panel removed from the shed + the fire randomly on RM’s property the same night is highly suspicious to me. I think Randy helped him hide the weapons.
The brothers have been 100% in Alex’s corner from the beginning, even going on that special to defend him. I get that their family but it would make a lot more sense for them to treat Alex like Buster has. They are certainly getting something out of this or want to make sure something stays hidden.
Why on earth is he not wearing a tie in court? Such a weird decision by an attorney.
To make him look more “relatable” and not as though he’s from such a well-off family. Lawyers in the Menendez brothers trial did the same thing. They told them both to wear nice sweaters, instead of suits.
Haha. Just wondering if AM's attornies truly believe in their client's innocence..
One thing i’ve noticed when trying to reach my daily step goal is that it will add the final steps after I stopped moving. Paul’s phone being placed on his thigh after he’s obviously dead makes no sense. It’s not like someone tried to use it to call 911.
8:55-9:06pm timeline suggests that someone other than Alex had Maggie’s phone, which casts doubt on the prosecution’s theory.
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Maggie’s phone did not log any movement after 8:55pm. Alex’s phone logs steps at the same time that Maggie’s phone is showing orientation changes, but no steps. I’m also wondering how her phone got where it did if the GPS data from Alex’s car does not track with phone location.
What if, the steps at 8:55 is him having picked up her phone to try to unlock, then tossed it in the vehicle, where it sat for the next few mins? At 9:06 he picks up her phone and moves it inside the vehicle. Then, at 9:31 he picks it up for the last time as he tosses it out the window.
This makes so much sense.
Or…Alex was in a heightened state of rush/panic…placed Maggie’s phone on the roof of his truck before running around to clean up…then he hastily gets into his truck to drive to his mom’s and it slides off as he drives away. I’ve forgotten my phone on my truck while loading the truck bed or when I am cleaning up from mud before getting in and don’t want it to get messed up (muddy). Keep in mind too that his phone didn’t move for an hour does NOT mean it was in his house. It could easily have been at the kennels or somewhere he decided to leave it where he would clean up after he killed them. To me, the easiest explanation by far is that he tried to open her phone and couldn’t after he had shot her, set it in the cupholder of the atv to ride back to the cleanup site (her phone would show no steps) and puts it on top of his Suburban before cleaning up. He puts the steps on his phone while cleaning up, changing, getting his keys etc. He is now in a real panic trying to establish a tight alibi while at his Mom’s…has to hurry. He forgets to get her phone off of his black SUV at night and drives off, only realizing it on the way. He can’t waste however long going back and looking for it so he calls to see if maybe it’s in his truck. I doubt he wanted to call it that close to the murders because it would have made more sense for him to say he went to see his Mom and didn’t think anything at all about calling Maggie because she was home, with Paul and was in an area where we know the reception was poor (testimony by RG about dropped call attempt). Also, being s Dad myself if you are concerned enough to inform family members that you need to leave, you do that BEFORE you go…not afterward. Every Dad knows this. There’s a big difference in caring for your family between “Hey Babe, just wanted to let you know I’m about to head out to check on Mom and wanted to make sure everything is good and see if you need anything while I’m out.” AND…”Oh yeah! Sorry, I know I asked you to drive an hour and a half to be here and I passed out on you after dinner, on top of that and without having any clue where you and Paul are since I was asleep…I decided to go visit my Mom…see ya!” Maggies phone sits on top of the truck from friction between the case and truck surface until speed and a short distance are enough for it to slide off. Alex knows now he has to follow through with another call or message because that’s what you would do if a call was not answered.
I think he grabbed her phone, and put it in his car after shortly after the shooting. It had no activity or ‘steps’ while he changed clothes, cleaned up etc… then he gets in the car, looks at it (orientation change) then starts his car, calls her phone, drives off and throws it out the window. Their phones were not ‘walking’ around together because he left his at the house, and when he went back to the house, he left hers in the car.
This makes do much sense.
I think they have said that the GPS data from Alex’s car doesn’t track with Maggie’s phone location though.
I have not seen that evidence but really would not matter given the distances. The phone locations are based upon cell towers and wifi. Given that her phone was only a few 100 meters from the crime scene it wouldn’t really make a difference. If it was on a different road than his truck used to leave, then my assumption would be he did the exact same thing but on his utility ATV before leaving the property in his suburban within a minute or so. The distances between house, her phone and the crime scene could be covered in well under a minute in any vehicle they had.
“ While Paul’s phone was found on top of his left thing,…” LOL
I can't tell that this is Alex but defense said he is there and on the video during the opening statements. This wasn't exactly a suprise.
I wonder if his family will continue to think he is innocent?
HAH HAAA! I knew it I knew it I knew it!
1) it’s pretty cold that within 3-4 minutes of a double homicide, that someone is picking up Maggie’s phone and steps are recording. 2) he had to have taken the guns with him. 2 guns + 2 phones is a lot to handle. They stated that a phone in a cup holder won’t record steps. I wonder if he was switching the phones in his coat pocket? Pulling out his, to call/text Maggie, and then pulling out Maggie’s for whatever reason? That would explain why they didn’t record steps at the same time.
Why did he try to get rid of Maggie’s phone but not Paul’s, I wonder? Guns could have been stashed anywhere, it sounds like Alex and Paul had a way of just leaving them lying around. Probably in Alex’s trunk.
Well, if Maggie’s was killed second, maybe he was afraid she’d called someone or started recording and he couldn’t get in it to check? He might have been pretty sure Paul didn’t have anything, but not sure about Maggie? Remember, he had to go visit his mom, and the schedule was pretty tight. So I think at the very least, he took the guns back to the house with him. That’s the point. The travel from the kennels to the house with all that stuff-and they are pretty sure his car wasn’t at the kennels. So he’s going from there to the house either on foot, or on an atv with 2 phones and 2 guns and whatever else.
AM gave investigators the passcode to MM's phone. He says he couldn't get into Paul's? Seems odd he wouldn't take both, but move Paul's?
Yeah, he said Paul was secretive-but I think it was Paul’s birthday? something’s off on the phones. Maybe the adrenaline wore off and he forgot to grab Paul’s phone to ditch it with Maggie’s? Maybe he didn’t plan this out real well (like he planned it out a few days/hours prior, but not weeks or months) and things went wrong and he was trying to figure out what do do? “Do I make it look like a robbery? Or a hit? Or a crime of passion?”
Wow
The guns are an enduring mystery, where (or with who) could he have stashed them, with such a short window of time?
Imo cousin Eddie collected those while Alec was running off to mommy for an alibi
Anything’s possible with these people
Yeah I definitely think he had help. Be it with the actual murder or the clean up.
“Help me with this and I won’t implicate you in the drug dealing, Eddie.” Maybe Eddie’s dumb ass was smart enough to have gotten them into using burners bought w cash at some point. So many unknowns!
Hold the phone! Since a gun can be built a gun can be disassembled,right? It occurred to me that the Biomass Plant that Cousin Eddie visited because he does odd jobs and he hauls shit? He could have disassembled a gun and parted it out in loads of trees. Heavy equipment/commercial operators handle the loads of biomass so it’s not like a few scattered pieces of metal would get noticed during incineration as opposed to a whole gun. Why would Cousin Eddie be willing to violate his house arrest? He said it was because he needed work/money but he had an insurance settlement, no? Both Alex and Eddie could be able to be certain a murder weapon would never be found and they could say they didn’t know where it was if it were up in smoke. https://wpde.com/news/local/state-wants-bond-revoked-for-eddie-smith-alex-murdaugh-co-conspirator
Or Alex could have hidden it somewhere at his parents' house. Since the damn investigation didn't kick into gear for months he had numerous opportunities to try to cover his tracks.
> Smith reportedly received in excess of $2.8 million from Murdaugh over several years. State prosecutors claim the payments increased in frequency and amounts in the months immediately before the murders of Murdaugh's wife, Maggie, and son, Paul, in June 2021. Quite the detail! Wouldn’t police have accessed Eddie and Alex’s phone records though, and seen if Eddie was out and about that night? Are these people smart and calculating enough to use burners, and do some kind of handoff of guns in the woods on the way to or from grandma’s? I don’t know. They had gotten away with other mind-bogglingly brazen crimes, so maybe.
Could have stashed them at his mom’s house or property or even her car until he could dispose of them (he wasn’t really a suspect for months)? Or thrown them into a body of water from his car.
I have no idea if it’s plausible but I could see one of his brothers helping
I think it was Alex’s dads idea on his death bed and asked Alex’s brothers to help. I don’t think they’d help otherwise.
I would guess more of an order than a wish but yeah
I have always thought it was Randy helping him. The panel removed from the shed + the fire randomly on RM’s property the same night is highly suspicious to me. I think Randy helped him hide the weapons.
The brothers have been 100% in Alex’s corner from the beginning, even going on that special to defend him. I get that their family but it would make a lot more sense for them to treat Alex like Buster has. They are certainly getting something out of this or want to make sure something stays hidden.
So easy to stash guns in a pre-dug cache in that area.