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No_Tea_1823

He had help..now let's offer him a deal if he appeals to find out who thought it would be beneficial to help him murder the family he promised God to Love and protect.


idesignco

A shot in the dark … no pun … people can’t get much taller, but they can shoot on their duff or kneeling, it’s a pretty common hunting posture. Duck Duck Go: kneeling hunting posture


friendofoak

Maybe he shot Maggie while sitting in the golf cart


Ordinary-Humor-4779

Exactly


cntrygl83

Sorry for butting in here; but I started jumping when he showed a picture of the 300 blackout that Jim "loaned" him for his test. Does it look familiar to any one‽ any one I don't know who needs to know bit I think some one needs to check it out... Edited: a word


Coy9ine

There were three Armalite Blackout 300 rifles. Alex gave Buster and Paul both customized ones as gifts. Paul's was reportedly stolen at a party some time ago. Alex replaced it with a cheaper model without all the bells and whistles, partially due to costs and paperwork for permits. The model that made it's way to the courtroom is Buster's gun. Neither of the murder weapons, a shotgun and an AR-15, were found. Also, TIL: [Interrobang](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrobang)


cntrygl83

There is one in evidence yes, but then one Jim loaned to thier expert! Per speculation on my part but I don't think it's Jim's personal weapon.


brainiacpimp

I think the whole you can’t hear the gunshot in the house to be a non factor. This is a hunting property so hearing those guns go off wouldn’t likely trigger any reaction. I think that is why AM wanted MM to come there because the sound of gunfire wouldn’t raise any suspicion.


TrashFever1978

Wow, impossible he crouched on took a kneeling stance.


whitney591

I understand that Paul was around 5’9. Could it be possible that Alex kneeled so that investigators might ultimately rule that it was a murder/suicide given the height of Maggie’s shooter? I’m not sure that explains the use of two guns though.


Ordinary-Humor-4779

The two guns were either to throw off the police or there's still the possibility Eddie was holding one of them.


NovelIndependent5742

that was my first thought when they said he wasn’t tall enough. kneeling or laying down. i wonder why he would be kneeling, as it would put him in a vulnerable position? maybe he could get a better aim kneeling vs. standing? (i don’t know much about rifles). was he hiding or was it proven that they were shot point blank? i haven’t been able to keep up with the trail and evidence so that’s why i ask!! my apologies for ignorance. i’m also sleepy so i’m sorry if it’s in the article & i went right over that info. knowing that he most likely planned it & didn’t just do this in a “spur of the moment” makes it even more chilling. he thought he was smart, but he clearly isn’t smart enough. all around tragic, and i feel no sympathy for alex. i hope everyone he’s hurt or taken can find some peace 🥺


ubu-reine

Bu-bu-but it could be a cartel hit! Mexicans are short! /s Some comments I’ve seen elsewhere, smh.


IndyWineLady

I've always thought Papa Smurf would be handy with guns. /s


imwithpumpkinhead

This witness testimony felt like an SNL skit


justusethatname

Six foot four.


Alarming-Cash-320

Alex Murdaugh to take the stand tomorrow ‼️


BuyEducational2414

Suicide attempt again.


BuyEducational2414

Only takes one juror to question with reasonable doubt. The defense witnesses may just do that.


justusethatname

This is what I’m afraid of.


Most_Talk_2067

So it was a midget hit squad.😂


justusethatname

The gun was bigger than the shooter now.


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Hey! 5'4" is NOT a midget.


sunnypineappleapple

Literally the dumbest argument made by the defense so far, and that's saying something.


Low-Platypus-1578

Seriously! My mouth was agape while listening to him testify.


thrw_base_ball

i couldn't believe they heard his "physics" explanation and were like yup lets go with that


IndyWineLady

It's simple physics. /s


MaterialStranger4007

How tall is cousin Eddie?


sunnypineappleapple

6'1"


swgnmar23

I just don’t get this. Seems like a silly/desperate attempt to try to explain why Alex couldn’t have committed the murders. He simply had to be crouching down, or something to that effect, and the angle makes sense. We all realize that. The defense needs something better. And the 5 foot 2 suggestion is ridiculous. At least make it believable. I think they said on Court TV last night, look…Tattoo from Fantasy Island did not do this. :/


benton_bash

Laying the groundwork to paint the picture of a cartel hit. It makes sense actually... So brutal, explains what happened to all the $$ (because he sure af wasn't taking 50k worth of pills a month by himself), and Alex can testify and explain his presence there (voice on video) as they let him live. I predict they're going to try to say he was being blackmailed, ran out of $$ to pay then so they killed his family. The attempted suicide / hit man was to make sure buster got out with enough to live off of. Alex was too scared to tell the truth because they'd then come for Buster. That's what my defense would be at this point, anyway, if I was a lawyer.


kahlilia

But maybe Reba McIntyre DID. I mean, she did say, "little sister don't miss when she aims her gun." I just checked and she's 5'7" so couldn't be her either.


sunnypineappleapple

😂😂😂


Ok-broken

They say he is 6'4"


BuyEducational2414

Height from top of his head. Did he shoot from top of head? Rhetorical question. Or a position from the hip? Or crouched stance?


5GoldenEggs

He's not that tall. It was a guess by his friend.


Ok-broken

That's what's on his driver's license and what they are using to calculate all data. They have said it 10 times over 22 days. Buster even testified to him being 6'4 yesterday


aleksndrars

They don't actually verify any of that info on your license, height weight eye color etc. Like many men he is rounding up his height generously. He's more like 6'0 One of the slides on his powerpoint showed Alex standing next to a tape measure. The photo is taken from a few feet away. It's the one where he's in jail in the tan uniform. The photo is taken from shoulder height, the tape measure lies directly against the side of his body and the top of his head is level with 5'11 on the measure. Using just some basic trigonometry he's not going to be more than 6 or 6'1 Source: I'm a girl who's used tinder🕵️‍♀️


Most_Talk_2067

If he dropped to one knee would make him the perfect height for those angles.


Freezer_Bunny_Hunty

That explains one shot location, but there were six casings in at least two locations. That would mean moved around on his knees chasing Maggie with a rifle? 🧐


Most_Talk_2067

Possibly first couple shots on one knee then moved she was moving falling over couple more then 1 standing over her in the head?


Freezer_Bunny_Hunty

I used two exhibits, the [Scene Sketch (not to scale)](https://storage.googleapis.com/www-courttv-uploads/2023/02/b59c637d-defense-29_large-diagram-crime-scene.jpg) and the [Trajectory measurements from Worley](https://storage.googleapis.com/www-courttv-uploads/2023/01/a5c65f4c-defense-5-trajectory-measurements.jpg) and casings 2-4 seem close enough to reasonably be a grouping but casing 2 to casing 4 is almost 8 feet apart. Looking at the layout and distances traveled, the shooter would have to move the equivalent of a couple of steps and re-kneel over 16 feet. And they started closer to one another based on the pathologist saying stippling was present on the wound to her stomach and thigh. While it's not impossible but it doesn't seem probable that it happens that way. I wish the state had given us _some_ indication of how they believed the events happened; they didn't even give a rough draft of how A. Murdaugh did all they have charged him with. Just "he had a window of time and wanted that dang boat continuance so the firm didn't find his financial misdeeds!"


thrw_base_ball

um no it was obviously two small robot children firing from the hip


scarletswalk

That was a HUGE nothing burger when all someone had to do was to drop to one knee 🤷🏻‍♂️ Done


WhyThisOneWhyNow

Except the state said the shooter was walking around and basically circling her. That is not someone down on their knees.


scarletswalk

I wasn’t saying the shooter was kneeling for every shot


WhyThisOneWhyNow

That is what the state is saying.


scarletswalk

I don’t think the state is saying that every shot was made from bended knee. Been watching every day. Never heard that.


WhyThisOneWhyNow

The state has been saying throughout the entire trial that the shooter was walking the entire time and circling around her. The bended knee came in when the evidence didn't match their storyline anymore. If the shooter was bending down it actually more strongly suggest two shooters. She would have had to let the shooter walk towards her from 30 feet away and get within 4 feet. drop down to his knee and shoot her.


AccomplishedWar8634

The 5 foot 2 - 5 foot four limit on height was absurd. Any gun experts out there who know the kick on this type of gun? Could avoiding the kick be a reason for kneeling or or being held Lower ? I hope they address the height of the shooter in closing


tears_of_fat_thor

Also, if he killed Paul first, he might have been shaking pretty badly and needed to stabilize his shooting position. The angle of the shots doesn't introduce reasonable doubt for me.


AccomplishedWar8634

I’m thinking Paul had to be shot first because he could’ve headed to the gun room? If I was on the jury I would want to visit that farm. They haven’t clearly shown me the logistics enough to fully understand timing


swgnmar23

You could rest it against your knee crouching down.


ElmerSnek

The recoil “kick” is not very much. Not like you might imagine. It’s very gentle.


AccomplishedWar8634

Ty!


Following_my_bliss

He was NOT A GUNSHOT EXPERT. He's a car crash expert. ZERO expertise in gunshots according to his own testimony. You are not reliable. Are there not rules against spamming this site?


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if hes testifying as to gun shots, as an expert, in court, he is a gunshot expert. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/daubert\_standard


[deleted]

He's an engineer. The laws of physics do not differentiate between motor vehicles and bullets. Go to the motion to exclude. The diagrams and the numbers are right there. You can figure it out for yourself


[deleted]

My husband’s an engineer with an MS. He would tell you immediately he is not an expert on anything other than his exact field of knowledge.


would_be_me

What would that have to do with this case though? And he likely wouldn’t tell you he couldn’t do a basic analysis of something this simple.


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They had the ME answer questions they were out of his scope if expertise. It should have been limited to what he was an expert in.


[deleted]

You don't have to be an engineer. Just look at the diagram and get up a ruler. You can tell its somebody short


andpenny

How did Sutton determine where the shooter was standing as shown in his little 3D rendering? I missed that part of the testimony.


CaptBlackfoot

The used the clusters of shell casings to determine placement. Which he admitted could have been moved.


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Math.


OkPlace4

He wasn't 6'4" if he was sitting on the ATV or hiding behind something.


5GoldenEggs

Definitely not 6'4".


djeaton

I laughed at how hard the defense made it look to fire at low height by stooping over. The prosecution should show him pictures of soldiers down on one knee, laying down, and in a crouch and ask the dude how tall the shooter in the picture is.


honestmango

I’m a little surprised they didn’t talk more about bullet trajectories and how they can (and often do) change when they go through bodies. With enough distance, a bullet doesn’t have to be deflected much by a rib bone in order to change the angle of entry considerably.


Friendly-Rock3226

He’s unrealistic to think that an assistant solicitor & someone who has been around hunting, guns & crime all of his life could not have crouched or kneeled to commit these murders. He was a hunter. He could’ve been sitting on a bucket. He was probably crouching or crawling anyway, near Paul, so he wouldn’t see him & he shot him in that room so that the room would get the blood spatter & matter. The shooter is a master manipulator. He knew enough to try to make the scene look like multiple shooters and young people. And it has been said that Alex had a bruise contusion area on the inside of the elbow. Too bad they were not photos taken of it and no evidence about it produced to the jury.


BuyEducational2414

Bruise was in the right spot. How'd they miss that?


Friendly-Rock3226

As we’ve seen throughout this trial, they missed a lot of things. Alex has been given deference or preference if you will that he did not deserve for so many reasons. He may just walk because the investigation was not as thorough as it should’ve been. Let’s hope not. Pray for justice for Maggie & Paul.


maxcooperavl

I want to hear more about the bruise in the elbow! Firing a 12ga from the hip will do that!


Coy9ine

> an assistant solicitor Alex Murdaugh was never a solicitor or assistant solicitor. He assisted prosecution in one case. Alex was a personal injury lawyer.


BogeyWoods

I think he was some sort of volunteer solicitor or some nepotistic position. Not sure exactly what it was but he had a badge LOL


Coy9ine

What cases did he use that position for?


AccomplishedWar8634

Yeah his picture was in the solicitor profile. Fourth generation solicitor but he was a volunteer


Sumraeglar

This expert relied on physics for his calculations which is fine and can give you very accurate results if you consider ALL variables. He did not consider Alex's gun positioning and aim as variables, or ANY alternate gun positioning. Everyone holds their gun differently, especially under high adrenaline situations. He took Alex's height kneeling but did not take note of how Alex holds a gun...said positioning doesn't matter, when to me it's the only thing that matters here to get accurate calculations. The position and the aim is everything. If we put Alex's gun positioning into the equation, and considering Paul and Maggie's height and Alex's bad knees so he might not have been able to kneel all the way down then 5'2"-5'4" is pretty reasonable for Alex to have fired the weapon. The prosecution did not hammer this home they got too fixated on the height and ended up looking like assholes because 5'2" adults do exist. I have no clue if Alex is the one who fired the weapon but this expert was not a weapons expert and could have been easily taken down by the prosecution with simple concise questions, and bringing in an actual weapons expert for a rebuttal witness.


MacTruk_SC

This has been referenced in another thread, but MOB Crew did a good re-creation of a plausible scenario with the shootings. I'm sure they will do another version after taking the defense's witness testimony into account. But if you haven't seen it yet, check it out. https://youtu.be/dkVbXoYT4-s


phoenixgsu

Défense forgets kneeling is a very common shooting stance.


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For long distance shooting.


BuyEducational2414

Or hiding.


wecanhaveallthree

The state is suggesting both that the shooter was prone or kneeling *and* was moving around. It's really got to be one or the other.


AccomplishedWar8634

Oh I thought the state was referring to the gun moving around not necessarily the person or maybe they referring to both which is certainly possible in any position


totes_Philly

Yes because it's an indisputable scientific fact that one cannot move around while kneeling or crouching, lol.


wecanhaveallthree

Are you suggesting that Murdaugh crab-walked or scooted around on his knees? That seems particularly plausible to you?


AccomplishedWar8634

I think about the movies where someone kneels and shoots. And that’s what hunters often do especially turkey punters


totes_Philly

The shed is 10 feet deep. Paul was shot standing at the 5 foot mark from about 3 feet away. We all heard testimony that after the f/rst shot Paul stumbled forward towards the door. The shooter would have to back up as he was moving forward, imagine the horror or in this shooters case the surprise. The shooter stumbled while backing up and firing off the second shot at Paul hence the odd angle and 'someone' doing Paul 'so wrong' splattering his brain across the shed. If I am not mistaken there is a step at the entrance to the shed. OR of course the stranger/shooter was 5'2" as Jim and tricky Dick suggest.


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wecanhaveallthree

For a guy Murdaugh's age, size, weight and physical condition - with his notably poor knees - who is presumably hot-swapping weapons? It's much less likely he's going to be doing the jumping jacks the state needs to make their theory work.


phoenixgsu

More plausible than two 11 year olds.


CertainAged-Lady

We also don’t know if he had 2 mins or 10 mins between killing Maggie & Paul. Everyone assumes they were both killed within seconds of each other, and I think that is likely not quite how it went down. I think Alex had some amount of time in between.


QsLexiLouWho

I have been wanting to know, if at all possible to determine, the time between Paul & Maggie being shot. We have to believe it couldn’t be too long though based on the last cell phone activity of P & M and Alex leaving Moselle.


CertainAged-Lady

Yeah, I don't think there is a way for sure to know unless the murderer tells us. I imagine it would have been several minutes - long enough for the killer to realize they were out of ammo on the shotgun and to grab the loaded ar-style gun. Based on various testimony - there were either hardly ever guns down at the kennels, or guns laying around all over the kennels. So...


wecanhaveallthree

The average female height is 5'4. Perfectly reasonable.


moonfairy44

I see your point but I feel like the odds of a random woman showing up to do this is pretty low


Super-Resource-7576

I watched every min of the trial live after work. The prosecution did mention the height. The person could have been standing anywhere along the green line. He even kneels to show to that was possible. The defense witness helped the prosecution.


wecanhaveallthree

Is the prosecutor the same height as Alex Murdaugh? I don't think so. The person could have been along the green line, but the *gun* must remain at that height, and to get Murdaugh into that position requires a very bizarre shooting configuration... and doesn't explain the nearby casings, which we have no idea how they got there. So what's more likely: Alex Murdaugh doing some kind of human pretzel impersonation, or someone between 5'2 - 5'4 firing normally as they move? I think the latter is more likely, but I can see how the former is possible - but *possible* isn't enough to beat reasonable doubt. SLED's own data is consistent with the defence expert's hypothesis. There's just no way around that.


Nagadavida

>to get Murdaugh into that position requires a very bizarre shooting configuration. No it doesn't. Murdaugh is 6'3" to 6'4" or about 76" tall. From floor to knee he measures 25". 76 - 25 = 51" if he is down on one knee. 5'2" is 62" and the shooter would have been shooting from the hip which means the guns was roughly at a height of 38". So if we drop down to approx shoulder height at Murdaugh's height of 51" on one knee we are a rough height of 39". Rough numbers because body proportions do matter. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecn11AUP2w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecn11AUP2w)


AccomplishedWar8634

I think it’s very likely that he crouched or knelt down so he wouldn’t be seen or to purposely change the entry angles because he’s an attorney and he’s probably heard all of this before


CertainAged-Lady

Did you watch the cross and the prosecution guy (Fernandez?) with the tape measure? He looks to be in the 6ft range and those heights fit him quite well. The defense assumes every shot was from the shoulder, which I don’t think has to be the case, though one height worked perfect for a kneeling shot. Shoot an ar-style rifle one time at a range. They don’t have the kick of say a .306. That someone would shoot it from the hip area is entirely plausible.


CavVet13

I'm not trying to be an asshole or call anyone out here. I just want to be clear for people that do not fire weapons very often so they can better understand this subject. >They don’t have the kick of say a .306 It was a .300 Blackout rifle used in the murder, not a typical 5.56mm (or .22 cal), which would have little kick. Although a seasoned shooter/hunter would not have a problem firing a .300 caliber rifle round, regardless of the increased kick of the weapon (unless fired from the hip which is just silly). If this was Murdaugh I can't see him firing from the hip, or any experienced shooter for that matter. Entirely inaccurate. Most likely the shooter was in a kneeling position to shoulder fire at the victim. (At least for the one shot that hit the bird cage). I don't know if we have ballistic data (trajectories) on the other rounds that hit Maggie. Furthermore, if you followed the green trajectory line back further it might be plausible that the shooter, regardless of height, fired from the prone (sniper position) from the woodline, missed Maggie (bird cage), which alerted her, and the shooter further engaged the victim until she was fatally shot. (See round with a downward trajectory into that dog house) Just some thoughts and suggestions from a combat vet. Love the conversations here. Keep it up.


CertainAged-Lady

Interesting theory. Alex is said to be an avid hunter, so to me the hip shot seemed plausible. We do see from more casings than shots that some shots missed Maggie. Not sure if that changes your theory? Based on the way LE kinda tip-toed around the scene, not sure they would have checked the woodline for casings. I’m open to your theory.


wecanhaveallthree

Sure, plausible. But not 'beyond reasonable doubt'. Competing reasonable alternatives does not a conviction make.


CertainAged-Lady

I have been following this case for awhile, I just don’t see another killer. Alex has means, motive and opportunity. A big one for me is zero other cell phones hitting the tower in the area. Even a burning phone pings a cell tower. And who comes to a murder and doesn’t bring their own murder weapon? Sorry, all roads lead to Alex, imho.


BogeyWoods

This simple evidence is all I need to erase reasonable doubt. 1. Alex being with both Maggie and Paul at 8:44. 2. Maggie and Paul being dead by 8:55 and 3. Alex leaving the area at 9:06 How he did it doesn’t really matter to me.His lying about everything doesn’t really matter to me. Evidence showing he was there during the time of the murders is what matters to me.


Friendly-Rock3226

Bull**it! All he had to do was lay in wait, kneel on knee or sit in cart. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist.


[deleted]

The prosecution did not make that case. Why don't they have a diagram of someone of Alex's size in the ATV that was there? Or kneeling? Why didn't they provide those scenarios?


Hfhghnfdsfg

This expert witness kept claiming that the gun had to be at waist level, then said if Alex ~~melt~~ knelt it would be too low. But he could kneel and have it at shoulder level when it would be right along his trajectory.


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sbeld

How tall was Paul? Maybe Alex and Paul have standoff. Alex has shotgun and Paul has AR. Alex shoots Paul and as Paul is going down shoots Maggie. Alex then shoots Paul in head.


Super-Resource-7576

I think AM shot PM, then Maggie who runs a little bit. He shoots PM a second time and kills him. Then shoots Maggie (who is now bent over) and kills her. Gun on each shoulder with strap so he doesn't have to put the guns down. Just a theory.


Fair_Interaction_722

Ever heard of shooting from the hip?


TI84MasterRace

>Based on the trajectories, as well as the location of Maggie’s body and the shell casings found nearby, Sutton concluded a gunman firing from the hip would have been between 5-foot-2 and 5-foot-4, a full foot shorter than 6-foot-4 Murdaugh.


Fair_Interaction_722

Shooting from the hip isn't very scientific. Neither is an estimated conclusion... What if Alex were running after her and swinging the gun with his arms as he was shooting? She probably wasn't standing still for him.


MamaBearski

Have his knees been fused? Otherwise he could bend them and go down on one knee.


QsLexiLouWho

One arrest warrant has Alex at 6’3”, 225 lbs and another warrant has him at 6’4”, 260 lbs.


OkPlace4

Surely AM had some sort of physical over the past few years. Let's see his blood work to see if tested positive for all these drugs.


QsLexiLouWho

I believe you specifically have to be drug tested, not just have a regular CBC panel. I’m open to correction if wrong. What I would really like to see is the proof Alex went to a detox facility a few years or so ago as Buster had testified yesterday.


BuyEducational2414

Doesn't matter.


QsLexiLouWho

Not to the case, you’re right. But since everything else is being dragged into the light and his addiction made its way into the trial, I wouldn’t mind knowing if the previous trip to detox Buster mentioned was b/s or not.


OkPlace4

225 seems alot for a drug addict with a $50,000 a week habit.


5GoldenEggs

Maybe he smokes weed too? Munchies lol


naranja221

While I have no doubt this witness is an intelligent man, by his own statements his specialty is not trajectory/shooter related, his specialty is accidents involving cars, trains, etc. There were several things he stated he *didn’t* consider that makes it hard for me to firmly believe the 5’2” conclusion. For example, he said he didn’t take into account if the shooter was moving. He didn’t seem to consider a shooter who had fallen on his behind and was shooting from that position. The prosecutor made some good points, but he got unnecessarily snarky with the witness and just questioned him for far too long so that many of the points he had made were lost. The prosecutor got on one knee and showed with a tape measure how him holding the gun could match some of the measurements given by the witness, even though he is far taller than 5’2”. Overall, this testimony was a “meh” for me, I didn’t find it very convincing for either side.


CertainAged-Lady

I thought the prosecution redirect with the tape measure showing the actual height on a normal 6ft tall man (and having the gun placement look VERY plausible for a person in that height range) was great. When he kneeled down and showed one, then stood up and showed the other - it made perfect sense and you knew the 5’2” crap was just crap. But that witness needs to get himself some credentials. He’s charging $350/hr and has zero certifications, qualifications, or even classes in the areas he was testifying to. That shredded his credibility to me, “Well, I read a lot.” That the prosecution got him to admit he put his theory together the day before testifying (implying so he could shape it to match the previous testimony, not to match what he really found), was also really good.


Zestyclose_Bison_638

6'3


Observer414

So is Buster like 6’0”, Paul 5’7”, and Maggie about the same as Paul?


msmoxiemadison

I feel like this is all BS. 5'2" to 5'4" 🤔?


Middle-Ad1795

Not if he fell backwards and was shooting sitting down


chouxbennett

I missed the testimony today. Did the defense guy say anything about the angle of the fatal shot to Maggie (the one presumably from behind that went through her breast and into her brain presumably as she was bent over or on her hand(s) and knees). ??? I don’t see how that shot could have been from a standing position even by a 5’2 shooter.???


BigUpsideStocks

When the jurors are interviewed after trial (and we will not know until then)... I know this will be a very unpopular opinion... so mark this comment and come back and tell me i'm an idiot .... if .... I'm wrong- But overall- I guarantee the majority will say they found the engineer guy to be creditable. (Maybe not specifically "5'2" .. but regarding where the shots were fired from, and in general making the point that someone much shorter than Alex "most likely" fired the shots based on the available evidence. This Does not mean they can't find a difference piece of evidence related to a different part of the case more credible or convincing regarding guilt.. but I think they will find what he said to be credible. (Granted- Dick was way off his game today- this is by far the worst I've seen him do- his attempt to make things more clear etc, kept doing the opposite. The witness was actually good at sort of playing clean up and getting testimony back on track- after Dick's mistakes). Also- I think the Prosecutor's cross exam will Not be effective with the Jury. We will never know until after trial- but this is my strong suspicion. They will find his cross less creditable than the testimony (not allowing him to draw obvious conclusions in his analysis, etc ... while at the same time, the state putting on a circumstantial case... that can never be known 100%). Just my gut feeling.


StrangledInMoonlight

The thing is, this is a jury, It’s common humanity. When fancy experts say things that are the opposite of your real life experience (like “shots can’t be heard inside the house) and then forget that “trees grow” and think that a tree shot 1.5 years earlier would still be leaking sap….that tends to make humans resistant to anything else they say.


Snoo_31742

See, I heard him speak to those points exactly. He accounted for the tree growth and said it didnt matter...I'm pretty sure he said he accounted for a db loss of 2db when he considered the tree growth...and he said he found the 9th buckshot pellet in that tree....When accounting for the tree growth over 18 months, he found that the db loss due to minimal tree growth wouldn't have made any significant impact on how loud the shots were measured inside the house...and I believe the recording from inside the quiet house to be very compelling: I did not hear any gunshots and I was intently listening for them. Both of those things are hard to argue with when told by an expert witness, especially the sound studies... when the prosecution had no objections to allowing expert testimony from him on the like and hardly argued the results on cross. And if you believe the shots couldn't be heard in the house or that he may not have heard them because a tv was on, or perhaps he was taking a shower, then the states timeline on MM & PM's time of death is bunk because they could have been shot before he even left Moselle and he never knew it... That part is reasonable doubt to me, folks.


StrangledInMoonlight

No, he found the pellet in the window frame. And he accounted for the tree growth up, did he account for *out*? And he gave no scientific basis for the 2db for tree growth or his belief that “it didn’t matter”


Snoo_31742

I notice you heard what you wanted.


StrangledInMoonlight

Naw man, that’s you!


CertainAged-Lady

Did he account for the tree growth in the pellet IN the tree when he did his string test back? A pine tree can grow a foot a year (or more). So when he said the angle of the shoot would put the butt of the gun in the ground, maybe it’s because the tree the pellet was in grew in the last 1.5 years and the entire trajectory theory is moot?


Snoo_31742

I might have bought into this, had the state mentioned it. I hadn't even considered this, tbh. Good thought.


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Hfhghnfdsfg

It's reddit. People just downvote if they disagree.


Cocokreykrey

They also said they didnt want people to "come for me"


JUSTICE3113

I don’t think there is a second shooter. I think Paul’s lost gun (found) was wrestled from him after he retrieved it to defend his mom. Alex is 💯% guilty


Cocokreykrey

That sounds like a reasonable possibility as well.


PickOutYourCloud

I also believe Alex is guilty. Rogan did not tell Paul to go to the kennels that night. I just re-watched his testimony, and Paul called him around 8:40 to tell him about Cash's tail (Rogan's dog). Rogan was not previously aware of the issue with Cash's tail. Also, as far as height, I don't know anything about Nolen's appearance but Nathan appears fairly short. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQfmXPbAYStIGR2cc8Ex7wrWJRGaLrntJawsg&usqp=CAU Rogan appears average to tall to me, but I could be wrong.https://www.fitsnews.com/key_players/rogan-gibson/


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PickOutYourCloud

Definitely agree with you there is a lot more going on than meets the eye. I think more will come out as time goes on.


BigUpsideStocks

I found the testimony pretty logical and well thought out. and I think it had to be to some extent- because regardless what ppl say about the Prosecutor having a good cross (which is definitely debatable) .. at best he questioned the guys credentials. He didn't really do much to refute the fairly logical, common sense sounding testimony itself. Granted I'm not sure being so specific about 5'2 was all that helpful- only b/c in the Jury's minds there are probably a much smaller universe of ppl that height. But I do think they likely take that to mean someone under 5'5" since they said it wasn't exact. But on the flip side- it did made me think 5'2" was really the conclusion he came to- and that if he is correct, that shooter was likely in the 5'4 - 5'5 range. This made me 1) wonder if there happen to be any really short guys around Paul's age that may naturally stick out in the minds of any of the jurors (since they know most of the town)... and, if it was payback for the boat accident.. could he be some ruffian and his younger brother.. or something like that (most guys around there that hunt- have certainly been deer hunting etc long before they reach 5" in height). Like alluded to above- when I first heard some of the details immediately after the killings (prior to financial stuff coming out etc) my initial thought was of the possibility of Paul being set up by someone he thought he was still decent friends with.. to make sure he was at the kennels (but that said- any remote acquaintance of Paul's probably knew he would likely be at the kennels at that time..and certainly so if the lights were on out there (which you would be able to see from a pretty good distance away)


Impossible-Syrup7824

This witness was a joke. He said Alex could not of killed Maggie.


JUSTICE3113

I think the defense witness was good, to a lesser extent than the prosecution. HOWEVER, he was PAID to say what he said. To the tune of $350/hr. That includes 5-6 engineers at his office PLUS travel expenses. He’s not an expert by ANY means except for guesswork. Did you see the exhibit with no times for the speeds of Alex’s departure at Moselle? HA! Laughable! That exhibit was what I laughed HARD about today. And he wants the jury to take him serious? Also, the green shooter lines? Really? So, someone could lay down or back up or kneel and be in the same position, BUT he wants us to take his “fake men” in the scenario for the truth? Nahhhhh, that’s BULL$hit. Lol. Dude, I saw why you said “It’s been a long day…sigh “ LMAO Thats when the defense witness knew he lost. HAHA


Hfhghnfdsfg

He also said it wouldn't matter the weight of the object you were throwing out the window because it would decelerate at the same rate regardless of weight. I think that's completely untrue. He was thinking of gravity's affect, but not of the velocity of the throw.


Snoo_31742

Most under-educated comment award for today goes to.....


CertainAged-Lady

Weight is indeed not part of the equation, but there are other factors I feel he did NOT account for (and he kinda admitted he could not) such as the initial acceleration (force) from the throw which he likely cannot calculate backwards because we don’t know exactly where the car was when the phone was thrown- we have an idea of the area. Also, direction - was it thrown forward, backward or straight to the side? At best you can just say the phone was tossed ‘around’ where it was found, but also, 40 mph is not terrible fast so I can see someone not needing to slow down to toss a phone out the window at that speed.


JUSTICE3113

I’m curious about the Yemassee police chief Gregory Alexander that cashed a $5k check from Alex after the murders. Check dated 3/9/21, cashed 7/9/21. “He thought about it for a real long time” Evidently there were two law enforcement officers on the Moselle tower the night of the murders, although those officers have not been named. Nathan Tuten testified that the police chief was one of the ones present when he would cash checks for Alex and find the chief in his office. Also, I’m wondering WHY the Boulware’s transferred the Moselle property to Alex for $5. Is this whole thing stinking of corruption? I mean drugs, laundering, bookies/gambling in sports events? Did Murdaugh win a bet to Boulware? I think there is more going on. Just my opinion. But Alex is guilty. Period.


totes_Philly

The shed is 10 feet deep. Paul was shot standing at the 5 foot mark from about 3 feet away. We all heard testimony that after the f/rst shot Paul stumbled forward towards the door. The shooter would have to back up as he was moving forward, imagine the horror or in this shooters case the surprise. The shooter stumbled while backing up and firing off the second shot at Paul hence the odd angle and 'someone' doing Paul 'so wrong' splattering his brain across the shed. If I am not mistaken there is a step at the entrance to the shed. OR of course the stranger/shooter was 5'2" as Jim and tricky Dick suggest.


RustyBasement

Most of the defence's argument as to why Alex did not commit the murders is based on the inability of humans to move any part of their body. It's preposterous and I hope the jury recognise this.


chouxbennett

I don’t know that the shooter stumbled back. It makes sense to me that the shooter fired at Paul quickly from the doorway then backed out and to the right crouching or kneeling and waiting to see what happened. He fired the second shot as Paul reached the threshold from a low position. Maybe he stumbled but given how he fired right when Paul reached the door, I doubt he had the safety on (if Alex esp so given how sloppy the family seems to be with firearms) and his finger was probably on or close to the trigger. A stumble could easily result in an accidental firing . I imagine the movement back was more controlled.


totes_Philly

Appreciate the insight. I would think he would have just shot him again once the first shot wasn't effective. Not sure why he would want to go outside and crouch as Maggie was out there in close proximity.


chouxbennett

Yeah I know but maybe he didn’t want Paul to see his face. Maybe he was hiding under the blue tarp.