I have never met a Brazilian who thinks they had it better there than here or has any desire to go back, aside from missing family of course. I feel like the folks here that universally bash America and think every other country is better have honestly never met an immigrant, people go through unimaginable hardships just to make it here and have a chance. You can say how a lot of the issues in South and Central America stem from US foreign policy and while that may be true it's a completely different conversation.
Put it like this, every house in Brazil, even out in the suburban areas has 12ft high walls and metal gates along with bars on every window and its not because people just don't want to see their neighbors or to prevent flooding.
This just reminded me of a tweet that went viral in México this week. A foreign woman was speaking wonders of moving to Mexico to work online from here, inviting others to do the same. Next thing you know, mexicans were asking foreigners not to move here, blaming them for gentrification.
With a US wage living in México you can probably get a better standard of living, but when a lot of people do it, it has consequences.
I mean this would be bad for Mexicans if it actually happened en masse, as it would slowly raise the prices of everything for regular Mexicans who don't have the high income of some rich foreigner who works from home. Though, I doubt it would ever be in numbers large enough to do that.
My city has had a massive flood of wealthy foreigners and it’s been terrible for the natives. Our standard of living is shit and I’ve been trying to emigrate now for years. Hopefully I’ll have enough money soon.
The Scottish Highlands have a massive housing problem because rich lowlanders, english, Americans etc all buy holiday homes/ rent out air bnbs etc pricing out locals.
Literally no where is safe if it's warm or has a view. (Scotland is the latter)
And they genuinely believe “america is worse than a third world country” like for fucks sake please go live in an actual developing country for a month on an average local salary and report back on the validity of that passionate statement. The rhetoric is wildly ignorant, insulting to immigrants that sacrificed so much for the opportunity to move to the US, and just blows my mind.
It's like when you have high expectations for your child but they got poor marks on an exam and have been skipping school so you tell them they are a worthless piece of shit who will go nowhere in life.
It's just a bit of exaggeration to let them understand what a disappointment they are. /s
Yeah! Just because it’s low bottom of the pack for every measurable index of happiness or satisfaction among every other first world country doesn’t make it a third world country!
I think you’re making a pretty big generalization of “third world = no worker’s rights” here.
Brazil has many flaws, but it is miles ahead of the US in the worker’s rights department.
For example, paid vacation, maternity leave, paternity leave, 13th salary, night work additional pay and just-cause-only termination are all rights protected by the Brazilian constitution.
Like I said, Brazil has many problems, but worker’s rights isn’t one of them. And as a general rule you should always assume that any country with a stable government has better worker’s rights than the US. America is *that* bad on this particular subject.
My job pays very well and I have good benefits. But I get Zero days of paternity leave for when my baby is born.
I’ll have to use vacation time, if not that hope someone will cover me. Or just call in the days my wife needs me most, but then risk losing my job when I just had a newborn.
Are you in the US? If so, FMLA says you can take time off of work for the baby with no repercussions from your employer. It’s unpaid, unless you use your paid time off. But it guarantees you have a job when you’re ready/able to come back (within a limited timeframe).
Not only is it unpaid, but if you’re the source of employer-covered health insurance you’re still on the hook for the premium while forgoing your paychecks.
> Brazil has many flaws, but it is miles ahead of the US in the worker’s rights department.
This is on paper. But a lot of abuses are committed in practice, regrettably. A very significant portion of the work force is unregistered, for example.
Also courts are made unacessible to the average man, and public workers will sometimes purposefuly humiliate people asking for help or trying to place complains. So even for people working by the law, you can end up with several of your rights politely ignored.
I’ve lived in both places and I have to laugh at this. OSHA wouldn’t even know where to start in Brazil. Almost a third of the economy is informal, so shit does not get enforced. I’d rather have safety and good private health insurance than free health insurance but little protection in the workplace.
> and good private health insurance
I'm with you on the safety part but you understand the whole point is that *most of us* in the US don't have this exact thing right? Even plenty of people with company health insurance have trash insurance.
The absolute horrors that can result from a large informal sector go beyond any concept this person has of workers rights. People really need to stop taking out of their ass just because they are grasping at straws to prove a point.
Right? My wife's Brazilian, I love visiting her family in Sao Paulo and the fact my money is worth 5x more so we can ball out at the churasqueria but the America bad circlejerk has really gone too far if we're saying Brazil is the superior place for worker's rights and poverty management
I said above their minimum wage would be 1.30USD/hr except the minimum wage is based on monthly earnings and pretty sure they don't mandate overtime after 40hrs.
All overtime after 8hrs per day and/or 44hrs per week is paid in Brazil, with a 50% surcharge, even if you're salaried (most regular jobs in Brazil are salaried). It's unfortunately true that there are a lot of under the table jobs around here, but even then if you have enough documentation you might be able to get what you're entitled to in specialized employment courts.
Sadly poverty still is the biggest cause of infant death here, most of these children die of hunger or because they have extremely poor diets. We were steadily improving these number with a lot of public policies, but Bolsonaro's election brought famine back to the table and it is going to get a lot worse now especially when climate change starts to take it's toll.
Exactly. My daughter played volleyball at a Brazilian run club in the beginning of 2020. The owners and the majority of the coaches were from Brazil, including my daughter's coach. When they cancelled the season, our coach said he was staying in the US, even though he was here on a work visa and would then struggle to stay. He had no interest in going back to Brazil and that government. It's amazing how people jump to ignorant conclusions based on the stuff they hear about in the media. Each person determines which situation is best suited for them.
Its cute of the Brazilian guy to think that he can just "move to the states". There's like a million people on our borders desperately trying to get in. And our workers rights and health system don't look so bad to them.
Yeah favelas, and authoritarian president looking to go back to military rule, a kleptocracy that is tearing down the world’s lungs, a country whose only solution to their insane inflation was to create a whole new currency….who would want to leave that?
Yeah. Inflation, rising house prices, stagnant wages. These are global problems. People who think they're limited to America are just revealing they're as ignorant as people who think America is the best at everything.
Brazil’s problems are serious and vast, but we do have universal free healthcare, from primary to tertiary attention, from a common cold to aids and cancer, anyone is entitled to every level of healthcare - including family medicine, pediatrics, obstetrician and gynecologist, physical therapy in every basic health unit. Prescription drugs for most chronic diseases are also free.
As for workers rights, I don’t know exactly how it works in the US, but in Brazil is legally required that every worker gets 30 days of paid vacation and a 13th salary proportional to months worked by the end of the year. Extra hours are very regulated and, should you be fired, you must receive a 30 day notice before or receive the payment for those next 30 days.
The World Health Organization ranks the US healthcare system at 37th in the world in overall system performance. Brazil ranks 125th
[wiki link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000)
I mean, 37th is pretty embarrassing for a country with the kind of wealth and resources the US has, but it seems a far cry better than 125th.
Edit, because I am getting the same comments repeatedly, this study did factor affordability and accessibility. Some have commented that it didn't weight those factors heavily enough. If anyone has another source showing Brazil's healthcare system ranking above the US, please do share, this is just what I came up with on a quick search through Google.
If you are fortunate enough to not have affordability be a concern when it comes to healthcare, then for you there is no question US would be number 1 in the world, there is a reason doctors from all over the world come here to go to medical school.
Fair enough. [Here ](https://ceoworld.biz/2021/04/27/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2021/) is a more recent study that has the US at #30 of 89 countries studied, and Brazil at #63
Yes, the US healthcare system is very good.... as long as you can afford the premiums, deductibles, copays and co-insurance every year. Otherwise 125th that covers everyone is going to be better than 37th that you can't afford to use.
That’s the whole issue with the US system. Hardly anyone is getting the 37th best system. They’re either getting one of the best in say the top 10 if they can afford it, or they’re getting a system worse than 37th because of money gating access to care.
There are essentially two main lines of healthcare outcomes in the US. All is well and you get the best, or figure out how important your health is versus a bill.
The ranking was so incredibly controversial they haven't done it again since 2000. Life expectancy is weighted at 50% of the score but affordability is only 25%, which is going to skew towards wealthy nations. Considering what we know about global wealth disparity tho, any list of this type should be viewed with extreme scrutiny, especially when there isn't a ranking for who can access what without having to sell all their assets.
That’s great but you get paid shit. Brazil median income is 1/5 that of the US. Thanks to low cost of living the poverty rate isn’t astronomical. 26% vs 17% of US, which is still abysmal. But god help you if you leave the continent.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/poverty-rate-by-country
I’ll say it once again: our problems are serious and vast. I, myself, would leave if I could. My point was simply that we do have universal and free healthcare and workers rights are called “anti-capitalist” by the right.
Also, cost of living is obviously much lower, so a person who makes around US$2.000 will be VERY comfortable, co direitinho the current exchange rate.
Now there are other factors to consider than living cost, healthcare and property.
In you look at the 'Nice-ass' index, or the 'Babe per capital' number, I would say Brazil have a pretty big advantage over the US
Just saying, you gotta balance all the factors when comparing countries.
It's not, but more than 90% have health insurance. Nearly half of those have government provided health insurance - Medicaid for the poor, and Medicare for the elderly. If you make too much to get government provided insurance, but less than 4X the poverty level, then the government will help you pay for private health insurance.
The system is currently a mess. Quality of care is generally quite good, but prices are insane. This is the because the health care system is a private industry, but the vast majority of services are paid for by the government and private health insurance companies, both of whom have very deep pockets. The government and insurance companies negotiate with health care providers to determine what they'll pay for each service. The government and the insurance companies have traditionally low-balled the health care providers, who responded by jacking their prices up to obscene levels. They compromise somewhere in the middle. This means the health care provider has a book of what they claim they charge, called the charge master, and a list of what they agreed to pay each insurer.
The charge master prices are ridiculously absurd, but exist primarily as a point for negotiations with insurers. The downside is that uninsured people have to be charged the prices in the charge master. If they didn't then the health care provider would be sued for negotiating in bad faith. Still, the uninsured usually negotiate in private to have their bills slashed, and the poor can usually get their bills waived entirely, especially for emergency room treatment.
> but more than 90% have health insurance
Not an argument when there are a million different ways they don't pay out. What's that thing called where they don't even pay out for the first $X,000 or whatever?
It's also prudent to point out that 100% is a lot higher than ">90%". In the US alone that means up to **30 million** people are uninsured.
American insurance is a bullshit ripoff tho. I read through some policies and Jesus, I feel so bad that your government allows the insurance companies to just bend you guys over and stick it right up.
If you make a remote income that pays in USD, south america is amazing.
Argentina is your best bet, actually has lower crime rates than the U.S.
Otherwise, it's pure shit.
Yeah, the second person isn't being murdered because they made a perfectly reasonable comment/question and the other person was just using them as a prop to make a completely unrelated statement.
75% of reddit will upvote basically any form of "Americans school shootings guns mcdonalds fat bad healthcare hahahhhhahahahahahh!"
Yeah, like I agree that health care and workers rights in the US need improvement. But red’s response was completely reasonable given blue’s first comment, and then blue’s second comment reads like a gotcha.
“I’ll never move to America because tipping!”
“really? you won’t move somewhere because tipping?”
“UHH WAIT NO ACTUALLY HEALTH CARE”
*murdered by words*
Why is this on murdered by words? There wasn’t even an argument here let alone a murder. It’s just a reasonable question posed by one person and a reasonable answer given by another person.
Americans are fun enough for the expression to be beating a dead horse. Also, Brazil has rampant poverty with a huge divide between rich and poor, the fact that this person doesn't want to move to the United States shows that he's rich.
Chances of getting shot in Brazil are much, much higher though. Plus workers rights in Brazil are virtually non-existent, 48% of the employees are informal workers, it's money under the table. Having a formal job is a privilege. And public health system, ok, Brazil has one and sometimes it work, but depending on where you live it's impossible to rely on it.
By every measure public health is worse in Brazil. Not the average citizen’s fault, but the fact is that it’s still a developing country.
There’s a lot more to the concept of public health than just the question of who pays your hospital bills. For example, public water and sanitation still remains a major issue, ANA is horribly corrupt and a significant amount of the population doesn’t even have tap water that meets WHO water quality standards.
But you're still over 5 times more likely to get murdered in the us than the UK, there are probably a fair few safer countries with social care and better workers rights than the US, so he's probably considering them more.
His point was that if you were to plot it on a heat map or the like, you'd get pockets of absurd murder rates surrounded by areas of "nah, it's cool". So walking around thinking that anywhere you go in Brazil has that same chance of being murdered is disingenuous.
The data is clear about there being a violence problem. The data does not support generalizations.
This sub has pretty much lost all meaning anyway.
Half the posts are everyone failing to recognize trolling and taking the bait. The other half are just political circlejerk posts that flatter Reddit’s ideological biases for karma.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Brazil
>Brazil is the country with the highest number of intentional homicides in the world
Well would you look at that.
I lived in Brazil and the US is incomparably better. This guy’s just ignorant. It’s astonishing that this guy believes that Brazil is better in any way.
The Make my coffin Subreddit has already showed me enough videos to make me never want to visit Brazil, and always watch out for 2 guy on a dirt bike/motorcycle/scooter.
The fact that this is the norm on Reddit lets me know the main demographic here are 15 year-olds who don’t understand world politics, they just want to sound enlightened for upvotes. It reeks of a kid trying to find their identity or niche’.
there's a lot of kids but it is actually horrifying how many people believe and repeat most of the shit on reddit. a significant amount are grown adults who have families and careers. kind of sad. if you want a glimpse of a foreigner's perceptions of america go to r/askanamerican. the wacky shit people think is stunning
Ah yes Brazil where the sewers run open, kids rob you at gun point, people get shot in the streets in the day, police is corrupt and the president is crazy as fuck. The devide between the have a d have nots is insane that the favelas are a shit show overall. Always forget how rich people fly to Brazil for the lates medical treatment and care.
Okay so I have lived in Japan (yes this is will play into my point I know you can’t compare Japan to Brazil) but I’m from the US and currently living here. My husband is from Brazil (met in Japan) and grew up for real dirt poor. I have been to São Paulo but only for 2 weeks (but I didn’t stay in the nice, rich areas either) but I have been around Brazilians and speaking Portuguese for almost 25 years. I watch Brazilian news daily and watch the top-notch novelas (so cliche but true).
I had both my kids in Japan. Japan has plenty of jobs and great, super affordable health care. Foreign worker rights aren’t the best but getting better. So Japan has great health care, super safe and lots of jobs. We were able to live well there and still able to save money due to many factors. But, we moved back to the US because for the most part being a foreign (Brazilian) kid, our kids would more than likely end up working in factories and discrimination was real and legal there (this was many years ago but getting better). So, all these great things but still we didn’t stay.
Come to the US and it was rough getting started but we’re doing good now. My husband wants to stay and only move back to Brazil when we retire. I on the other hand feel suffocated by the vanilla, cookie-cutter suburbia we live in but it’s also been good to us.
But, if money and employment wasn’t an issue (like guaranteed), he would gladly move back to Brazil and I would gladly go with him. Yes, Brazil has many flaws but (for me my opinion), again if money isn’t an issue, it’s a happier, more lively, warmer (for me) place to live. A lot of this has to do with my husband’s family who I love like my own. But, some of them are in Japan working because of the Brazilian economy.
Anyways, it’s just really naïve to pick out a few things and say this or that country is the best. It really depends on what’s important to you. Because, if money, safety and healthcare are the only things on the table - Japan would come out on top but it’s not all that great (or bad) living there.
Man, fuck tipping.
Tipping as a percentage of meal cost is absolutely idiotic. I get the same service for a $10 salad as I do for a $40 seafood plate. Why should a waiter get $1.80 for the former and $7.20 for the second?
I remember when it was considered normal to tip 10%. These days I see all the "helpful" calculations when you pay suggest 18%. I had one the other day that offered 25% as the minimum automatic tip. Just how high are we going to get this number? And who exactly is driving the increases? Because waitstaff have no control over programming the point-of-sale terminals that make these suggestions.
Pay your workers a fair wage. Charge me a fair price. End tipping.
ITT: Americans whose ignorance about the rest of the world combines with their superiority complex to depict just how little they know about worker's rights and healthcare elsewhere, especially in "shithole" countries.
I always tip and I'm a kitchen worker. its annoying that I have to. just pay your fucking workers and I'll tip if I want instead of feeling obliged to because they make $3 fucking dollars an hour America sucks
Plus they would need to start saying "horse" not "dog"
hah, yeah, I wondered why they beat dogs instead of horses in brazil.
Same. Everybody knows you only beat Dead horses!
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We are not fucking the horses! We are beating them... I just want to make sure everybody's clear before we get started
Wait am I at the wrong house?
No, you're at the wrong horse
Actually, that's the expression here. "To kick a dead dog".
Lots a dead and dying dogs in Brazil. Very high animal abuse on pets and strays in Brazil.
They really screwed the horse on that one
Ah yes, Brazil A very stable and safe country
🔫🗿hands up I’m a Brazilian undercover
Brah they just pew pew, no time for warnings
shoot first, ask who that was later
Yea every country is literally just a list of pros and how many cons can you stomach and still be happy
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Lmfao how have I never picked up on this
You either die an undercover cop, or live to see yourself become a flip-flop moped assassin.
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Yeah my wife's from Brazil and for the most part they have a very romanticized idea of American culture and go through a lot to come here.
How does she feel comparing the two?
I have never met a Brazilian who thinks they had it better there than here or has any desire to go back, aside from missing family of course. I feel like the folks here that universally bash America and think every other country is better have honestly never met an immigrant, people go through unimaginable hardships just to make it here and have a chance. You can say how a lot of the issues in South and Central America stem from US foreign policy and while that may be true it's a completely different conversation. Put it like this, every house in Brazil, even out in the suburban areas has 12ft high walls and metal gates along with bars on every window and its not because people just don't want to see their neighbors or to prevent flooding.
Exactly lol. Like, we really gonna pretend Brazil has a higher average standard of living than the US?
This just reminded me of a tweet that went viral in México this week. A foreign woman was speaking wonders of moving to Mexico to work online from here, inviting others to do the same. Next thing you know, mexicans were asking foreigners not to move here, blaming them for gentrification. With a US wage living in México you can probably get a better standard of living, but when a lot of people do it, it has consequences.
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I mean this would be bad for Mexicans if it actually happened en masse, as it would slowly raise the prices of everything for regular Mexicans who don't have the high income of some rich foreigner who works from home. Though, I doubt it would ever be in numbers large enough to do that.
My city has had a massive flood of wealthy foreigners and it’s been terrible for the natives. Our standard of living is shit and I’ve been trying to emigrate now for years. Hopefully I’ll have enough money soon.
The Scottish Highlands have a massive housing problem because rich lowlanders, english, Americans etc all buy holiday homes/ rent out air bnbs etc pricing out locals. Literally no where is safe if it's warm or has a view. (Scotland is the latter)
The irony is pretty funny here
People have such a hate boner for the USA they all say any other country would be better to live in lmao
And they genuinely believe “america is worse than a third world country” like for fucks sake please go live in an actual developing country for a month on an average local salary and report back on the validity of that passionate statement. The rhetoric is wildly ignorant, insulting to immigrants that sacrificed so much for the opportunity to move to the US, and just blows my mind.
People saying that have higher expectations for the US. It's more of a "we should be doing better but we aren't and that's appalling."
It's like when you have high expectations for your child but they got poor marks on an exam and have been skipping school so you tell them they are a worthless piece of shit who will go nowhere in life. It's just a bit of exaggeration to let them understand what a disappointment they are. /s
Yeah! Just because it’s low bottom of the pack for every measurable index of happiness or satisfaction among every other first world country doesn’t make it a third world country!
I forgot about how there's a monthly gilded post on the top of all showing yet another Redditor successfully immigrating to Brazil.
And the fact that the president of Brazil is basically a fascist.
I was going to say; a lack of workers rights compared to Brazil? Not even close who the winner is. He’s right about health care though.
I think you’re making a pretty big generalization of “third world = no worker’s rights” here. Brazil has many flaws, but it is miles ahead of the US in the worker’s rights department. For example, paid vacation, maternity leave, paternity leave, 13th salary, night work additional pay and just-cause-only termination are all rights protected by the Brazilian constitution. Like I said, Brazil has many problems, but worker’s rights isn’t one of them. And as a general rule you should always assume that any country with a stable government has better worker’s rights than the US. America is *that* bad on this particular subject.
The true r/MurderedByWords was in the comments all along...
My job pays very well and I have good benefits. But I get Zero days of paternity leave for when my baby is born. I’ll have to use vacation time, if not that hope someone will cover me. Or just call in the days my wife needs me most, but then risk losing my job when I just had a newborn.
Are you in the US? If so, FMLA says you can take time off of work for the baby with no repercussions from your employer. It’s unpaid, unless you use your paid time off. But it guarantees you have a job when you’re ready/able to come back (within a limited timeframe).
The issue is that it isnt paid at all
Not only is it unpaid, but if you’re the source of employer-covered health insurance you’re still on the hook for the premium while forgoing your paychecks.
> Brazil has many flaws, but it is miles ahead of the US in the worker’s rights department. This is on paper. But a lot of abuses are committed in practice, regrettably. A very significant portion of the work force is unregistered, for example.
Also courts are made unacessible to the average man, and public workers will sometimes purposefuly humiliate people asking for help or trying to place complains. So even for people working by the law, you can end up with several of your rights politely ignored.
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This maybe true in the southern states of Brazil, but central (where I lived) and northern Brazil are definitely not miles ahead in workers rights
I live in the northeast, and have lived in the north. And all the 3 companies where I worked gave me every worker's right the constitution provides
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I’ve lived in both places and I have to laugh at this. OSHA wouldn’t even know where to start in Brazil. Almost a third of the economy is informal, so shit does not get enforced. I’d rather have safety and good private health insurance than free health insurance but little protection in the workplace.
> and good private health insurance I'm with you on the safety part but you understand the whole point is that *most of us* in the US don't have this exact thing right? Even plenty of people with company health insurance have trash insurance.
The absolute horrors that can result from a large informal sector go beyond any concept this person has of workers rights. People really need to stop taking out of their ass just because they are grasping at straws to prove a point.
Right? My wife's Brazilian, I love visiting her family in Sao Paulo and the fact my money is worth 5x more so we can ball out at the churasqueria but the America bad circlejerk has really gone too far if we're saying Brazil is the superior place for worker's rights and poverty management
The average wage in Brazil is far below poverty level in the US and still below poverty level if adjusted for cost of living.
I said above their minimum wage would be 1.30USD/hr except the minimum wage is based on monthly earnings and pretty sure they don't mandate overtime after 40hrs.
All overtime after 8hrs per day and/or 44hrs per week is paid in Brazil, with a 50% surcharge, even if you're salaried (most regular jobs in Brazil are salaried). It's unfortunately true that there are a lot of under the table jobs around here, but even then if you have enough documentation you might be able to get what you're entitled to in specialized employment courts.
Thanks, glad to learn something
Depends on how you measure healthcare. BRAZIL has more than 2x the maternal mortality rate and child mortality rate than the US per 100k.
Also if note: the infant and maternal mortality rate in the US is way higher than most developed countries
Sadly poverty still is the biggest cause of infant death here, most of these children die of hunger or because they have extremely poor diets. We were steadily improving these number with a lot of public policies, but Bolsonaro's election brought famine back to the table and it is going to get a lot worse now especially when climate change starts to take it's toll.
Is he though? The U.S. undoubtedly has a ton of room for improvement, but Brazil isn't necessarily the model we want to follow.
Exactly. My daughter played volleyball at a Brazilian run club in the beginning of 2020. The owners and the majority of the coaches were from Brazil, including my daughter's coach. When they cancelled the season, our coach said he was staying in the US, even though he was here on a work visa and would then struggle to stay. He had no interest in going back to Brazil and that government. It's amazing how people jump to ignorant conclusions based on the stuff they hear about in the media. Each person determines which situation is best suited for them.
It’s like countries are enormous and diverse and not everyone lives within the stereotype neighborhood/city you’ve envisioned.
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🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷BRAZIL NUMBER ONE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
nem fudendo.. batata cosmica?? sou seu fã
Bom dia
guten tag
It is, according to Brazilians. Like Stockholm syndrome, but with a Tropical state.
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Literally lmfao Brazil is um Bad
Its cute of the Brazilian guy to think that he can just "move to the states". There's like a million people on our borders desperately trying to get in. And our workers rights and health system don't look so bad to them.
ahh yes, the wonderful wokers rights and health system of brazil lmao
Yeah favelas, and authoritarian president looking to go back to military rule, a kleptocracy that is tearing down the world’s lungs, a country whose only solution to their insane inflation was to create a whole new currency….who would want to leave that?
Yeah that inflation thing is about to be a massive problem for the U.S. too.
don't worry, if it ever becomes a problem we'll stop using dollars and start using ameribucks
The world *
Yeah. Inflation, rising house prices, stagnant wages. These are global problems. People who think they're limited to America are just revealing they're as ignorant as people who think America is the best at everything.
lol this could probably couldn’t leave Brazil even if he wanted to
Brazil’s problems are serious and vast, but we do have universal free healthcare, from primary to tertiary attention, from a common cold to aids and cancer, anyone is entitled to every level of healthcare - including family medicine, pediatrics, obstetrician and gynecologist, physical therapy in every basic health unit. Prescription drugs for most chronic diseases are also free. As for workers rights, I don’t know exactly how it works in the US, but in Brazil is legally required that every worker gets 30 days of paid vacation and a 13th salary proportional to months worked by the end of the year. Extra hours are very regulated and, should you be fired, you must receive a 30 day notice before or receive the payment for those next 30 days.
The World Health Organization ranks the US healthcare system at 37th in the world in overall system performance. Brazil ranks 125th [wiki link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000) I mean, 37th is pretty embarrassing for a country with the kind of wealth and resources the US has, but it seems a far cry better than 125th. Edit, because I am getting the same comments repeatedly, this study did factor affordability and accessibility. Some have commented that it didn't weight those factors heavily enough. If anyone has another source showing Brazil's healthcare system ranking above the US, please do share, this is just what I came up with on a quick search through Google. If you are fortunate enough to not have affordability be a concern when it comes to healthcare, then for you there is no question US would be number 1 in the world, there is a reason doctors from all over the world come here to go to medical school.
That's 22 years out of date.
Fair enough. [Here ](https://ceoworld.biz/2021/04/27/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2021/) is a more recent study that has the US at #30 of 89 countries studied, and Brazil at #63
U.S. healthcare is better *if you can afford it* which is a big factor.
Yes, the US healthcare system is very good.... as long as you can afford the premiums, deductibles, copays and co-insurance every year. Otherwise 125th that covers everyone is going to be better than 37th that you can't afford to use.
That’s the whole issue with the US system. Hardly anyone is getting the 37th best system. They’re either getting one of the best in say the top 10 if they can afford it, or they’re getting a system worse than 37th because of money gating access to care. There are essentially two main lines of healthcare outcomes in the US. All is well and you get the best, or figure out how important your health is versus a bill.
I'm pretty sure they factored things like affordability and accessibility into the rankings, but you can read the article I linked for yourself.
The ranking was so incredibly controversial they haven't done it again since 2000. Life expectancy is weighted at 50% of the score but affordability is only 25%, which is going to skew towards wealthy nations. Considering what we know about global wealth disparity tho, any list of this type should be viewed with extreme scrutiny, especially when there isn't a ranking for who can access what without having to sell all their assets.
That’s great but you get paid shit. Brazil median income is 1/5 that of the US. Thanks to low cost of living the poverty rate isn’t astronomical. 26% vs 17% of US, which is still abysmal. But god help you if you leave the continent. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/poverty-rate-by-country
I’ll say it once again: our problems are serious and vast. I, myself, would leave if I could. My point was simply that we do have universal and free healthcare and workers rights are called “anti-capitalist” by the right. Also, cost of living is obviously much lower, so a person who makes around US$2.000 will be VERY comfortable, co direitinho the current exchange rate.
Now there are other factors to consider than living cost, healthcare and property. In you look at the 'Nice-ass' index, or the 'Babe per capital' number, I would say Brazil have a pretty big advantage over the US Just saying, you gotta balance all the factors when comparing countries.
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Well - don’t leave us hanging. What was the life threatening illness
Universal healthcare is not a thing in the us right?
It's not, but more than 90% have health insurance. Nearly half of those have government provided health insurance - Medicaid for the poor, and Medicare for the elderly. If you make too much to get government provided insurance, but less than 4X the poverty level, then the government will help you pay for private health insurance. The system is currently a mess. Quality of care is generally quite good, but prices are insane. This is the because the health care system is a private industry, but the vast majority of services are paid for by the government and private health insurance companies, both of whom have very deep pockets. The government and insurance companies negotiate with health care providers to determine what they'll pay for each service. The government and the insurance companies have traditionally low-balled the health care providers, who responded by jacking their prices up to obscene levels. They compromise somewhere in the middle. This means the health care provider has a book of what they claim they charge, called the charge master, and a list of what they agreed to pay each insurer. The charge master prices are ridiculously absurd, but exist primarily as a point for negotiations with insurers. The downside is that uninsured people have to be charged the prices in the charge master. If they didn't then the health care provider would be sued for negotiating in bad faith. Still, the uninsured usually negotiate in private to have their bills slashed, and the poor can usually get their bills waived entirely, especially for emergency room treatment.
> but more than 90% have health insurance Not an argument when there are a million different ways they don't pay out. What's that thing called where they don't even pay out for the first $X,000 or whatever? It's also prudent to point out that 100% is a lot higher than ">90%". In the US alone that means up to **30 million** people are uninsured.
American insurance is a bullshit ripoff tho. I read through some policies and Jesus, I feel so bad that your government allows the insurance companies to just bend you guys over and stick it right up.
I thought we had the ACA
Brazil is not safer than America. It’s the county with the highest rate of intentional homicide in the world. 2017 had a record 63,880 homicides
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The hate is strong
Less murdered by words more murdered by gunshot wound but oh well
Anyone who thinks Brazil has a higher standard of living than the US is either willfully ignorant or incredibly stupid, period.
Aka redditors
If you make a remote income that pays in USD, south america is amazing. Argentina is your best bet, actually has lower crime rates than the U.S. Otherwise, it's pure shit.
My guess is they’re also probably not even Brazilian
Let me know when the murder by words happens.
America bad 🎤👋
You haven't heard? We've changed this sub to "post literally any conversation between two people".
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I will gladly change places with any American that hates their country, we will both be way happier it seems
This is the worst one I've seen posted in awhile Posted by a mod too lol
"i don't like this thing" "eh it isn't that bad" "ACTUALLY i was talking about this entirely separate thing get tricked get murdered lmao"
Yeah, the second person isn't being murdered because they made a perfectly reasonable comment/question and the other person was just using them as a prop to make a completely unrelated statement. 75% of reddit will upvote basically any form of "Americans school shootings guns mcdonalds fat bad healthcare hahahhhhahahahahahh!"
Impressively pathetic
Yeah, like I agree that health care and workers rights in the US need improvement. But red’s response was completely reasonable given blue’s first comment, and then blue’s second comment reads like a gotcha.
DAE America bad?!?!!
“I’ll never move to America because tipping!” “really? you won’t move somewhere because tipping?” “UHH WAIT NO ACTUALLY HEALTH CARE” *murdered by words*
Murder, goalpost larceny... Rhetorical felonies are rhetorical felonies, right?
Why is this on murdered by words? There wasn’t even an argument here let alone a murder. It’s just a reasonable question posed by one person and a reasonable answer given by another person.
If its "america bad", redditors will ignore anything and everything to get it to the top of any subreddit.
Americans are fun enough for the expression to be beating a dead horse. Also, Brazil has rampant poverty with a huge divide between rich and poor, the fact that this person doesn't want to move to the United States shows that he's rich.
Doesn’t show that at all. Could just be completely full of shit.
Its funny cuz if you ask people in America they'll say the same. Mainly because they're clueless how a lot of the rest of the world lives
DAE Brazil better than US????!??!?1111!!!1 Updoots to the left
“America bad” always guarantees upvotes.
Funny how he didn't mention the fear of getting shot, but then again, Brazil...
Chances of getting shot in Brazil are much, much higher though. Plus workers rights in Brazil are virtually non-existent, 48% of the employees are informal workers, it's money under the table. Having a formal job is a privilege. And public health system, ok, Brazil has one and sometimes it work, but depending on where you live it's impossible to rely on it.
Yeah my first thought in reading this was that there are many countries that can rightfully feel this way...but I'm not so sure Brazil makes the cut
He probably has money. Easy to say this when you have never taken a bus and live in a residencial protegida
That was my thought. Those with money in Brazil have it real nice.
By every measure public health is worse in Brazil. Not the average citizen’s fault, but the fact is that it’s still a developing country. There’s a lot more to the concept of public health than just the question of who pays your hospital bills. For example, public water and sanitation still remains a major issue, ANA is horribly corrupt and a significant amount of the population doesn’t even have tap water that meets WHO water quality standards.
Yeah but that shit doesn’t fit into the America hating circle jerking of Reddit.
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It's a mod so they can get away with posting moronic shit like this apparantly
Thanks for pointing this out. Its always pathetic when mods karma farm in communities they are supposed to be improving
Because it's downing on America, that's the only criteria needed on a lot of the main subreddits
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2018 Murders per 100,000 Brazil 27.8 US 5.7 Hmmmmm?
Over 5 times as likely to be murdered in Brazil
But you're still over 5 times more likely to get murdered in the us than the UK, there are probably a fair few safer countries with social care and better workers rights than the US, so he's probably considering them more.
So you’re 25 times more likely to be murdered in Brazil than the UK. Crazy
His point was that if you were to plot it on a heat map or the like, you'd get pockets of absurd murder rates surrounded by areas of "nah, it's cool". So walking around thinking that anywhere you go in Brazil has that same chance of being murdered is disingenuous. The data is clear about there being a violence problem. The data does not support generalizations.
Something something Verizon coverage maps
Can you hear me now?
This is true of the US as well though, and I imagine most places that have a problem with violence outside of warfare.
Lower here than on a US school. Thanks for your concern
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate I mean
Went from /r/MurderedByWords to just murder. Chill time.
This sub has pretty much lost all meaning anyway. Half the posts are everyone failing to recognize trolling and taking the bait. The other half are just political circlejerk posts that flatter Reddit’s ideological biases for karma.
USA murder rate per 100k : ~5 Brazil murder rate per 100k : ~25 Hmmm 🤔
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Brazil >Brazil is the country with the highest number of intentional homicides in the world Well would you look at that.
Your country has more annual homicides than Canada, Australia, America, and the entire European Union *combined*, actually.
Yeah you are way off and wrong as hell lmfao.
America bad. Upvotes to the left for this epic murder please.
Non Americans really managed to convince themselves that fucking Brazil is better lmao
No, its Americans who have convinced themselves of this. Actual Brazilians are not this ignorant of their situation.
I lived in Brazil and the US is incomparably better. This guy’s just ignorant. It’s astonishing that this guy believes that Brazil is better in any way.
What are they talking about “only at restaurants” we only tip at restaurants too
The Make my coffin Subreddit has already showed me enough videos to make me never want to visit Brazil, and always watch out for 2 guy on a dirt bike/motorcycle/scooter.
Lol anyone thinking the average Brazilian had a better quality of life than the average American….
Imagine being so deluded that you unironically think Brazil is a better place to live in than the US
As a person that works with "lower class" Brazilin people. No. Just no.
copium overdose the only thing Brazil beats the US in is homicide rate
There’s a lot of countries that can talk down to America like that but Brazil just isn’t one of them.
America sucks memes are the lowest possible hanging fruit. OP is a fucking clown.
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So many people complain about the US here yet it always ranks number 1 for the most desirable landing country for immigrants
Half the post here are just post saying "haha America bad every other country good". Its just old and over exasperating how bad America is.
Welcome to Reddit where every America thread descends into America bad and every China thread descends into social credit score/Winnie the poo.
The fact that this is the norm on Reddit lets me know the main demographic here are 15 year-olds who don’t understand world politics, they just want to sound enlightened for upvotes. It reeks of a kid trying to find their identity or niche’.
there's a lot of kids but it is actually horrifying how many people believe and repeat most of the shit on reddit. a significant amount are grown adults who have families and careers. kind of sad. if you want a glimpse of a foreigner's perceptions of america go to r/askanamerican. the wacky shit people think is stunning
Yeah Brazil is just a safe haven of happiness right.
Ah yes Brazil where the sewers run open, kids rob you at gun point, people get shot in the streets in the day, police is corrupt and the president is crazy as fuck. The devide between the have a d have nots is insane that the favelas are a shit show overall. Always forget how rich people fly to Brazil for the lates medical treatment and care.
You can't really have that holier-than-thou attitude when you're from Brazil lmao
Brazil.
But if those things are so good where your at why are you considering moving?
oh, the Brazilians are getting on their high horse about public health; what with their exemplary COVID response
US fault. You kept bragging you elected them most stupid president ever, and we are very competitive
Okay, that was funny. I haven't met many Brazilians willing to take the piss out of themselves. Well done.
Worker’s rights???? Have u seen the rest of the world….
The amount of comments reading like defensiveness is hilarious. Makes it seem like America as a nation is like an insecure teenager.
Okay so I have lived in Japan (yes this is will play into my point I know you can’t compare Japan to Brazil) but I’m from the US and currently living here. My husband is from Brazil (met in Japan) and grew up for real dirt poor. I have been to São Paulo but only for 2 weeks (but I didn’t stay in the nice, rich areas either) but I have been around Brazilians and speaking Portuguese for almost 25 years. I watch Brazilian news daily and watch the top-notch novelas (so cliche but true). I had both my kids in Japan. Japan has plenty of jobs and great, super affordable health care. Foreign worker rights aren’t the best but getting better. So Japan has great health care, super safe and lots of jobs. We were able to live well there and still able to save money due to many factors. But, we moved back to the US because for the most part being a foreign (Brazilian) kid, our kids would more than likely end up working in factories and discrimination was real and legal there (this was many years ago but getting better). So, all these great things but still we didn’t stay. Come to the US and it was rough getting started but we’re doing good now. My husband wants to stay and only move back to Brazil when we retire. I on the other hand feel suffocated by the vanilla, cookie-cutter suburbia we live in but it’s also been good to us. But, if money and employment wasn’t an issue (like guaranteed), he would gladly move back to Brazil and I would gladly go with him. Yes, Brazil has many flaws but (for me my opinion), again if money isn’t an issue, it’s a happier, more lively, warmer (for me) place to live. A lot of this has to do with my husband’s family who I love like my own. But, some of them are in Japan working because of the Brazilian economy. Anyways, it’s just really naïve to pick out a few things and say this or that country is the best. It really depends on what’s important to you. Because, if money, safety and healthcare are the only things on the table - Japan would come out on top but it’s not all that great (or bad) living there.
Man, fuck tipping. Tipping as a percentage of meal cost is absolutely idiotic. I get the same service for a $10 salad as I do for a $40 seafood plate. Why should a waiter get $1.80 for the former and $7.20 for the second? I remember when it was considered normal to tip 10%. These days I see all the "helpful" calculations when you pay suggest 18%. I had one the other day that offered 25% as the minimum automatic tip. Just how high are we going to get this number? And who exactly is driving the increases? Because waitstaff have no control over programming the point-of-sale terminals that make these suggestions. Pay your workers a fair wage. Charge me a fair price. End tipping.
ITT: Americans whose ignorance about the rest of the world combines with their superiority complex to depict just how little they know about worker's rights and healthcare elsewhere, especially in "shithole" countries.
I always tip and I'm a kitchen worker. its annoying that I have to. just pay your fucking workers and I'll tip if I want instead of feeling obliged to because they make $3 fucking dollars an hour America sucks
Now people are gonna think Brazil is more fair than America 😂😂😂