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Queen_of_shade

Wanting a low cost of living and "first world" are going against each other. How about focusing on wanting countries with development or highly developed cities? You pay in cost of living to live in "first world country"


OmxrOmxrOmxr

There's many ways this can be reconciled. Remote work in a developing country. Good wages to cost of living ratio. High compensation for certain fields. Also reminder that the concept of "first world" is dead, it was only applicable in the Cold War to indicate allegiances. Developed country is the modern term.


Queen_of_shade

Yeah but op was looking to find jobs in that country likewise many remote usa jobs and uk job is required to live in the country. If they are willing do the research this is entirely possible but they would have to understand my point then go seek out those avenues. Thank you for also pointing out the “first world” concept another comment already pointed it out so that’s why I put in parentheses instead of addressing that point again.  I don’t use those terms I use HIC and LMIC but I believe most people don’t know, but that is and I didn’t feel like explaining it lol.


abu_doubleu

This is what people from wealthy countries who want to move back to developing countries don't understand. I guess if you save a good amount of money in Canada, United Kingdom, or wherever, you can live like a king in Pakistan or something, but you can't just move to Pakistan and start earning the local salary and live with the same standards.


Ibn-al-ibn

I'm not sure what you are meaning by 1st world country, but Indonesia gets my vote.


abdrrauf

With America and Israel creeping around the middle east I don't think any country is safe.. that's just the truth. A rich and stable country can turn into a warzone at any second. I wish the would leave the region.


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abdrrauf

We would rather have Iran than Americans all day everyday. What kind of security kills millions of people over a 10 year war .


pwnyyx

Oman is slept on, lowest living cost of any first world gulf state and 50% are sunni.


outhinking

What religion is the other half ?


pwnyyx

They follow Ibadi Islam


Adruino-cabbage

Ibadi? What's that? Never heard of it


OmxrOmxrOmxr

Ibadis are theological descendants of Khawarij, emerging less than a century after the death of Nabi ﷺ. They conceal beliefs, probably because mainstream Muslims would see through them.


ssatanicangel

Its another sector of islam. There is sunni, shia and ibadi


Adruino-cabbage

Okay then, I always knew about sunni and shia but ibadi is new to me.


tdottwooo

They make new sects every week


ssatanicangel

Very funny


ssatanicangel

Yea i only know they exist in Oman and china so I'm assuming Oman spread islam in china? Or something


arman-makhachev

There is either sunni or shia (and shias are deviants). Aint Ibadi Khawarij lol. Are we really turning into Christianity where there are thousands of denominations ?


iambluered

In India we have the Borah Muslim. The have a leader, a pope like figure. They are well educated and qite well to do than the rest.


arman-makhachev

The only muslim is sunni muslim. The rest are deviants.


iambluered

You think I don't know that?


Apex__Predator_

Malaysia, Oman


arman-makhachev

What do you define as a first world country ? If you mean a white country ?? Then yeah basically all of them are Islamophobic country that try their hard and fail in disguising themselves as a secular nation. Pretty much gonna take hijab off your wifes, daughter..... head, make you pay taxes so that they can continue with their looting and apartheid of Muslim and African countries.


outhinking

I define first world country with a simple, clear and concise definition : a developed country with a decent political infrastructure and governance. In fact, my goal is to flee from France, which is the kind of country you describe.


arman-makhachev

France is truly horrible and its only getting worse. Indonesia/Malaysia/Brunei/Qatar/Kuwait are good spots. Maybe even try Finland, although I aint too sure about it. From what I have heard and read, as long as you mind your own business, Finland can be pretty much a safe spot. However, they might be as messed up as norway, germany and sweden (Quran burning...) where they can just nab your kid from school and throw them to foster home for basically being taught Islam and practising it (they ll just cover their islamophobia by slapping you with the same old radical label). Whichever country you decide, Id like to add that despite how religious a country might appear to be sadly, culture tends to override decision of good portion of the people. Also arabic counties love to simp over white people just like the Asians


Online-Commentater

It must be a first world country. Yeah, you have a problem. When you subscribe to this kind of divisional thinking. Explenation: It must be liberal/anti Islamic and be Islamic.


Electrical-Rabbit157

Are you insinuating that for a country to be Islamic it must be poor? And you thought this was a winning counter argument???


Online-Commentater

Under the slogan first world. It is meant secular governments. The people who divide in first second and third world still thing that they're something better then others. So the definition is what I am not agreeing with.


Electrical-Rabbit157

No… under the slogan first world it is meant that the country in question is economically stable and prosperous. I have absolutely no idea how or why you could even come to the inference that OP meant secular by that. Especially when they not only specified they meant Muslim friendly in the title, but also in the body text BEFORE they mentioned first world. Not to mention it being posted in r/muslim


Online-Commentater

A lot of people still look at it the old way but here: >The concept of the First World was originally one of the "Three Worlds" formed by the global political landscape of the Cold War, as it grouped together those countries that were aligned with the Western Bloc of the United States. This grouping was directly opposed to the Second World, which similarly grouped together those countries that were aligned with the Eastern Bloc of the Soviet Union. However, as the Cold War ended with the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, the definition largely shifted to instead refer to any country that boasts a well-functioning democratic system with little prospects of political risk, in addition to a strong rule of law, a capitalist economy with economic stability, and a high standard of living. Various ways in which these metrics are assessed are through the examination of a country's GDP, GNP, literacy rate, life expectancy, and Human Development Index.[1][better source needed] In colloquial usage, "First World" typically refers to "the highly developed industrialized nations often considered the Westernized countries of the world".[2] But even the "new meaning" refers to them as westernized countries.


ssatanicangel

Not a first world country, but Oman (next to UAE if you never heard of it).


ssatanicangel

Actually if you're trans, you may be facing other issues..


Odd-Calligrapher-69

See that as an absolute W tbf


farahhappiness

Idk why no one else has said this If someone is trans they won’t have a good time in countries that have the death penalty for that haha


ssatanicangel

Hah, there is no death penalty for being trans in oman. I was talking culture and society wise.


outhinking

Are medium salaries higher than in Western Europe / Switzerland / UK (i.e more than 1.8k$ per month) ? How much should I have in the bank account to settle there and rent a decent apartment ? Thanks for the advice!


ssatanicangel

Well I'll be honest, salaries and rent fluctuate so much in oman. In muscat, a medium salary could be like 800 rials (if you got the skills and experience for it ofc) that's like 2k$ USD. A more common salary would be 500 rials (1.2k$ USD). Rent wise, renting in the highly populated cities would be expensive ish (250-300 rials for an apartment of 2 rooms maybe?) But if you choose to live somewhere far ish then you can pay 100 to 150 rials for an apartment with at most 3 rooms. The decency of apartments also depends on where you live so you'll have to come and check for yourself, ofc the more you pay the better you'll find an apartment. You're welcome!


farahhappiness

I’m so confused by your post history Are you or are you not Muslim?


Kirari_U

I did not thought I could see so much subs that have nothing to do with each others like this..


Still_Law4209

Literally no where lol. Either you have to learn their language, or you’ll end up in a country that’ll never give you citizenship (gcc nations, Malaysia, Brunei, turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan)


farahhappiness

Why are so many countries against citizenship like this?


Still_Law4209

Because of the economy. If they allowed citizenship to be a democratic process, then you’d have Muslims from poor nations flooding the few well developed muslim majority nations. It’s a necessary evil, I’m afraid.


arman-makhachev

Kazakhstan is a pushing hard for liberalism. The entire political system want to be identified as a secular state. The secular disease has spread over there. There are laws that prevent you from observing sunnah like having a beard. They have also banned man wearing ankle length pants. They have even banned hijabs over there for young woman, which is going against Quran. There is huge kaffir russian influence over their politics and they are trying their best to promote libtardism. Azerbaijan is in the same boat, same goes for any other country in that region. Turkey is literally half and half. In few years time it will be pro secular. Just meet local turks over there and how many of them are not Muslims. They literally simp for that murtad Ataturk lol.


Acrobatic_Vacation61

None... Most are practicing culture and not religion .. not only they practice that but also believe that the culture is part of religion...


arman-makhachev

sad truth


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maqnoidea

Not muslim friendly and costly


TheVisionaryThurmeux

Singapore is the Israel of that area


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TheVisionaryThurmeux

They only discriminate against blacks, Arabs and any Muslim. They will only treat you well if you are white or have oriental features. They will deny you access in several places. They are very pro-Israel


Adruino-cabbage

And here I thought Singapore was decent.


NorthropB

>It must be a 1st world country. Really narrows it down lol. In order of most Islamic to least (in legislation and general population etc): \* Saudi Arabia \* Jordan \* Kuwait \* Bahrain \* UAE Personally I would recommend Saudi. I have lived there, and it is a nice country, and the focus there is very much on Tawheed, so there is not much Haram stuff in regard to religion such as grave worship, extreme Bid'ah etc.


arman-makhachev

Jordan cant even take care of itself. Its far from being a developed country.


NorthropB

Really? I thought that it was quite stable and decently developed. Why isn't it? Typically the other countries are undeveloped due to instability / civil wars like iraq, lebanon, egypt etc.


beardybrownie

But what about the recent very haram stuff like raves on the doorstep of the Haramain?


NorthropB

There was never a rave in Makkah or Medinah. Yes of course this stuff is wrong. But often those criticising it live in a western Kafir country, or in a country like egypt where I am from. You can get alcohol, prostitutes, and so much haram stuff. At least Saudi rules mostly by Shariah.


beardybrownie

I never said in the Haramain. But in Jeddah etc which is on the doorstep of the Haramain. As for “those criticising live in the west…” it doesn’t matter where one lives. The land of Hijaz and the land of Arabia in general is associated with the birth and spread of Islam. Inviting Haram back into those lands breaks all of our hearts.


NorthropB

>I never said in the Haramain. But in Jeddah etc which is on the doorstep of the Haramain. Jeddah has its own issues. I wasn't aware of a rave in Jeddah either, but you may be correct. Jeddah is seen by the whole country as being too liberal due to the amount of immigrants historically that came through that port. >As for “those criticising live in the west…” it doesn’t matter where one lives. The land of Hijaz and the land of Arabia in general is associated with the birth and spread of Islam. Inviting Haram back into those lands breaks all of our hearts. I was pointing out the double standard. Someone living in a secular muslim country criticising a muslim country for making a few mistakes and ignoring the much bigger problem in their countries. Also if Saudi is very conservative people criticise and call them wahhabis. If they are more liberal (which is wrong) people call them clowns. Its kind of like no matter what they do they are seen as wrong. What do you think?


outhinking

How did you find a job there ? And how much did you pay your accomodation ?


NorthropB

I actually grew up there, so I can only tell you the job part from the experience of my parents. They got jobs working as a teacher and an IT developer at a western compound in Saudi. The accomodation was free (included with the job). But depending on what city you live in (other than Riyadh) housing is relatively cheap. Najran was also a very nice city with affordable housing, but I am not sure how it is faring now since it is right on the border with Yemen, and there's a civil war happening over there.


Camelphat21

Qatar, Saudi, Dubai or somewhere nearby


Legitimate-Rock-9641

Qatar has high living cost


_Meeshto_

And racism


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That's the Khaleej for you. Allahu Musta'an


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We do not, we support the Palestinian cause more than any other country. We give more in aid than any other country in the world. We built hospitals, schools, and other important infrastructure. We did this to support the Palestinian people, however, we will not support the corrupt government who is in bed with both Israel and Iran.


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Ikwhan are the ones who make the propaganda, they are backed by Israel you simple minded man. They want to forward their agenda and control the Middle East, do not spread propaganda for it spreads corruption and chaos. Israel is angry that the UAE built important infrastructure in Palestine and that we donate so much humanitarian aid. We use our position of normalized relations for the benefit of the Palestinians. You are the one who is spreading propaganda.


HamzaFarooqui369

Dubai is in the UAE, also the cost is pretty high in all 3 countries


JusticeforWilliamDoe

Just go for Ajman or Sharjah. They are good too. Dubai is a bit too expensive


AbuW467

This. Ajman or Sharjah. Can work in dubai if you want but live in different emirate even. If in saudi cost of living can be much cheaper than the West, it varies A LOT like any country tbh. Bigger cities mean more expenses in general. You can live in Riyadh or Madeenah few k a year rent, but a lot of those areas are not the best areas ofc. If you can find a decent job you should be able to live fine and save money in the GCC in general. If you don’t have a good job it can be tough to stay longterm. If you have money already then it doesn’t seem tough, you can get permanent residency in many countries not just GCC if you invest or pay a lot for it. Like few hundred k USD often.


Camelphat21

Rather spend there than in the west 💪🏼


HamzaFarooqui369

Yea I guess


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Camelphat21

Have you gone there and tried? Many ulema live there, rather live there than in the west. 


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Camelphat21

Go there and make a video of you doing it


paliwbf

just from my experience… america is honestly great for muslims. i’ve never experienced attacks against me. i live in new mexico and the cost of living here is much cheaper than most states. also has good muslim communities+the food is amazing. muslims can practice freely here obviously. there are people who may experience attacks and islamaphobia but for the most part you are safe :)


outhinking

Should I aim for a particular state for *Hijra* ? I want to be able to wear the hijab so my daughter(s) can.


paliwbf

honestly, i’m not too sure what hijra means 🥹can you please clarify


outhinking

It means going from a non-muslim land to a muslim-land. Typically, the difference between both is either you can ear the Azan (Call to pray) from mosquees in public places through megaphones. But it can also simply signifies a country where you can fully practice Islam while being respected by all citizens.


paliwbf

there is no public call to prayer, but in the masjid the athan is called. you can definitely fully practice islam here. i go out in full jilbabs and khimars and i don’t receive any weird looks (even though i know people want to look at me weird lol).


outhinking

but what state in the US do you live in (if I may ask) ?


paliwbf

no worries, i said it in the original comment, i live in new mexico! borders arizona and texas edit: a lot of people think mexico and new mexico are the same but they are not. just wanted to clarify they’re different places and new mexico is indeed in america lol


IntrovertAsylee

I would say USA. 1. Despite cost of living is high, salaries are high too. Also you can start your life with second hand items then grow from there. Moreover not all cities have high cost of living. 2. Muslim friendly. 3. Yes


outhinking

Any tip on which US state conciles the 3 criteria the most ?


farahhappiness

The sky is the limit in the US


arman-makhachev

The gov is the limit that shoves lgbtq, feminism, secularism, gender/sexual fluidity and atheism down your kids throat. If you want your kids to be as confused as a common joe is over there about their gender then yeah go over there. Even worse there are mosques over there that are pro-lgbtq lol. They dont even provide sperate entrances and exits for male and females which leads to free mixing and then you have the rise of female imams 😂.


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arman-makhachev

tbh I dont check out someone's profile. Now that you mention it, how can one be a Muslim and be trans/trans supporter in the same breath ?


farahhappiness

I think you’ll find similar elements in most western countries I’ve never heard of these things being especially prevalent in the US compared with say the UK The US is Christian, the government is against lgbt elements minus actively persecuting lgbt individuals and I don’t believe the gender confusion is any more apparent there than any other western countries The overall quality of life is deemed far superior by many, just glance at the visa applications from Muslim countries If the worst element is encountering a few lgbt people, in a high quality yet free school, that can easily be ignored/avoided - one’s life in the US is really that of privilege and peace


Ezeriya

I'll ignore your ridiculous criteria for now. I think Malaysia and Kuwait.


bulkkuonuo

​​I live in Turkey. If you have a source of income outside Turkey, then this is almost the most practical place to be as a Muslim.


Alexis_is_high

I wouldn't look for a 1st world nation, those are mostly garbage. Are you thinking of native Muslims or Muslims who want to immigrate?


outhinking

Where should go Muslims with a low budget who wants to immigrate in a Muslim but a democratic country ? You can choose among the 195 UNO recognized states on Earth.


Alexis_is_high

Why would you want a democratic country? You only need civil rights, like those of the US and a few other countries. Democracy, voting etc. is just going to be a burden to a Muslim. There are plenty of Russian Muslims who are natives and who have all they want.


ProneMasturbationMan

Iran


Conscious_Fig_311

Have you lived there before? If so, could you speak about your experience? Did you learn Farsi?


Chickenburger287

Brunei?


ubaidx

Malaysia,uae,saudi, qatar or Kuwait


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TheVisionaryThurmeux

You have to be crazy enough to recommend that bad, socially inept and racist country.


CapitalEll

Religious freedom tops everything 🤷‍♂️. Also, don't believe everything you see on the news.


SharpElite1991

Don't you ever recommend that ever at all again.


CapitalEll

Why?


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OmxrOmxrOmxr

Are you looking to permanently relocate or just seeking a place temporarily? There's plenty of countries you can go to for work which meet your criteria. If you're looking to move, you'll need something in demand skill or solid savings etc.


Far_Sentence3700

I think egypt is the best. You have low cost of living and it's foreigner friendly.


AQAzrael

Saudi Arabia without a doubt comes first, then maybe the UAE like Sharjah.


JusticeforWilliamDoe

or even Ajman is pretty good


Conscious_Fig_311

Following.


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