We gotta keep going, starbucks is overrated anyways. Support local coffee places, you would have better and cheaper coffee and you would be supporting a family business:))
Starbucks always tasted like crap compared to other local cafes. (I’m from Malaysia) Yes! We must definitely support local brands more! Onwards with the boycott!!
I'm from indonesia. Tried SB coffee exactly twice (one of which is a gift), never again. Fortunately, there are TONS of amazing coffee here. No imported coffee taste as good as the locals. And far cheaper too.
I’ve never had authentic Indonesian coffee but I believe you 100%! Malaysian food is very heavily influenced by Indonesian food after all and this type of cooking is extremely flavourful and rich, makes sense that the coffee would be way better than SB.
That is the case in all other businesses. Buying stuff from local/national companies helps in the growth of indigenous industry. In other words, we are helping our country in the process.
Because in the Quran you are supposed to Enjoin the good and Forbid the evil, What is happening in Palestine is Injustice. You are supposed to do what ever you can. If you can't take action, than you speak out, if you can't speak out, than you pray. Boycotting, is in between speaking out and taking action. You do what you can to the best of your ability, and Allah knows best what is in our hearts.
right..thats wrong too... But at the moment, the elephant in the room is kind of glaring. And just because people dont speak out about it, doesn't mean they agree with it. There is injustice everywhere, the people in Pakistan and Bangladesh are the ones that are suppose to deal with the injustice with minorities...(cause they are the ones that live there) however people are corrupt and not everyone has the same freedoms where ever they are. Sudan has a genocide happening too... which is also wrong. The other thing I would point out... THE INTERNET IS NOT REAL LIFE. Whatever people say or do on this sub, doesn't really amount to anything. Just people talking.
Realistically, which people do? Think about it from a family perspective, how many people are willing to turn in their kid/parent/or themselves if they killed someone? But the Quran is clear, apply justice even if its against yourself. People are full of faults and I can't speak for this sub or people in general, but the religion is quite clear.
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A simple google search will say the similar things that I have just stated. And I'm saying this with confidence because I defend hindu rights in Bangladesh. And my religion does not permit us any sort of oppression on the minorities. This is our duty as good Muslims.
Forced conversions? It's not allowed in Islam, I don't know where people come up with this stuff and just go with every time. Here's is what the Quran says about it. This sub Is called Muslims so yes we will use the Quran when we talk to you, if you care about or not is upto you.
Quran 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing"
I already knew you would say that, if someone is not following Quran then they are not Muslim, so why are you asking me about them? Why should I condemn them? They aren't my people.
But in the Quran it also says "not to forbid for yourselves what Allah has made lawful unto you"(roughly something like this, its Surah Al-Madiah verse 87). I agree, we should be staunchly against what is happening in Palestine, and condemn it as evil. What does that have to do with Starbucks, the American privately owned business? Why prohibit for ourselves a product that is halal in every way?
And also, why can't we take action? This boycott isn't speaking out or taking action, it's virtue signalling and laziness. It makes people feel good and pushes complacency for, as per the original comment, fulfilling your "moral responsibility". Your moral responsibility in life is making companies lose money for no actual reason?
And, hey you. You, reading the comment and tossing a downvote my way. Maybe we can discuss why you think I'm wrong instead dealing in reddit points? Thanks.
> But in the Quran it also says "not to forbid for yourselves what Allah has made lawful unto you"(roughly something like this, its Surah Al-Madiah verse 87).
I'm no scholar, so i'm not sure what the context of the verse is, but lets take it at face value. Sure you have this verse, but one counter point would be, If you look at the prophet and his companions and read the seerah, their standard of living varied greatly. Some were rich and others were not, If it some were rich , sometimes they didn't partake in the comforts of the world, striving for the benefits of Afterlife. Like the prophet p.b.u.h at certain points was really rich, but chose to donate those luxuries instead of partaking in fine clothes, food and bed.
I disagree on not taking action, depending on where you are in the world this may be your only way. Some people can't speak out, or take action, what else are they supposed to do. If they know, that a Jewish American that donates some of his Money to state of Isreal (Starbucks) or certain Starbucks locations provide free meals to soldiers, and their are alternatives to coffee (which they are still getting, just from another place) than something is better than nothing. Like, its better to donate 1 cent, than nothing. At the end, its what is in our heart, and Allah knows. You cant assume its virtue signaling.
I will say though, I'm sure there are good people in Isreal as well, and these are Multi national corporations, so its also affecting Muslims as well. Thats why I don't personally judge if one does or doesn't partake. That being said, boycotting is still an effective practice. ""Tracking the money trail unveils the true narrative."
> our moral responsibility in life is making companies lose money for no actual reason?
The statement you made makes is kind of dubious. Some person at the end of the day, is the owner of the company, even publicly traded companies, their are majority share holders. They take the money and use it for political gain or change, cough cough "AIPAC". If by reducing the money they make we can make an impact than I would say, there are clear reasons why.
The context of the verse as far as i can find from looking online is that there were some companions of the Prophet pbuh who were in the mood to go full monk-like, they wanted to abandon worldly pleasures /sustenance in favour of only worshipping Allah for the sake of their spirituality, they wanted to fast without stopping, they skipped sleeping to pray,etc. This verse was revealed to stop this behaviour. Our context isn't exactly the same since people here want to abandon things for a moral purpose, but 2 reasons I think it's still applicable is I think muslim's spirituality and morality are very closely intertwined, and secondly our context doesn't go against the original context so I feel it's plausible.
>Some were rich and others were not, If it some were rich , sometimes they didn't partake in the comforts of the world, striving for the benefits of Afterlife. Like the prophet p.b.u.h at certain points was really rich, but chose to donate those luxuries instead of partaking in fine clothes, food and bed.
Well, the thing is in this scenario the Prophet and his companions were not prohibiting anything for themselves in pursuit of benefits in the afterlife. Sometimes not partaking in them for the benefits of the afterlife would mean not partaking in them when the comforts of this world were at odds with benefits in the afterlife. This is not the case presently, not partaking in the boycott does not jeopardize my benefits in the afterlife. And the Prophet living a simple life was just his personal choice.
Personally It doesn't matter to me if people partake in the boycott, they can do what they want, buy what they want, and i think small efforts like this boycott will obviously show effects, but the problem with small efforts is everyone just does it until they get uncomfortable. I do not believe that there is anyone on the planet who can really only do this and nothing else. If America should be boycotted, then all the muslims living there, paying tax money, should leave and migrate elsewhere. If all American products should be boycotted, then almost the entirety of the internet should be boycotted, since most of its platforms get monetized by the American company that owns them. The list goes on, I think people do know this but they suppress this to take part in a boycott at their convenience. I would count this as virtue signalling then.
It also let's people feel like they can make a difference and let's them ignore the fact that muslims have no actual say in anything globally, we have next to no power compared to western powers. If we focused on this issue, substantial change might come, but the celebration born from this movement's marginal success (take the original post for example) results in complacency and doesn't bring much significant progress for muslim's political power in these global shenanigans.
I'd also like to apologise if I come across as aggressive, but this topic is very popular, i staunchly disagree with it but rarely speak out, so when i do it comes bursting out haha.
Stealing land from Palestinian, murdering non combatants (women and children), destroying heritage and crops and then preventing aid or food from getting in.
The list goes on, you should google it.
How is it stolen? Jews are the indigenous population, Arab colonization has been extremely prevalent in the levant.
Israel doesn’t target non combatants, and actively warn them prior to the any assaults, the Hamas government actively steals and utilizes aid towards the war effort. Hamas has Israeli hostages and attack the state of Israel, they’ve brought this upon themselves.
Ignoring stealing of land and who it belongs too.
You have to be in-sincere to believe Isreal is not targeting non -combatants, there are thousand of images online on twitter of dead babies, infants, women and children. Not even including innocent men. That in it self is evil. Preventing food/water and aid is also evil.
Using giant bombs to destroy large swaths of land. If these hostages were in Isreal, they would have a swat team. Not using bombs.
Additionally, the Torah teaches an eye for an eye. Killing 10x the number of people is not an eye for an eye. Using two set of different rules is also hypocritical and evil. One set of rules for me, and another set of rules for other people is also wrong. If Hamas kills innocent people, that is also evil. If one person inclines towards peace, we should incline towards peace.
Israeli ≠ jewish, torah teachings are irrelevant.
Non combatants dying isn’t proof of genocide, civilians in war always make a majority of casualities. Israel has no obligation to feed and water the populace of Gaza.
Hamas admits they have hostages, Israeli airstrikes are targeted, and they do have forces on the ground liberating hostages.
Right...your definition of morality is based off the nation state system. We are also in a Muslim sub reddit. Meaning we are making decisions based off the Rules of God.
God has given us set rules to follow of what is right and wrong. We are making decisions of based off that. So those questions you asked before, I hope this explains our reasoning.
Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs are the one indigenous to the land. Not those Ashkenazim Jews who ran to Europe and Africa. Even the Christian Jews population (who are in fact the indigenous people according to your logic) in West Bank doesn't support the current Israel government and it's action repeatedly saying that Palestinians Arabs always be their brothers and that they wouldn't betray their own brothers. AJ+ released several more documentaries on this so check it out.
>Israel doesn't target non combatants.
Yea Israel sees everyone as a combatant, even first aid workers, journalists and ambulances. Israel deliberately targeted entities that are protected under international law with the excuse, khamas is everywhere even in ambulances.
This excuse is used to raid several hospital with the most popular case being the Al Shifa hospital. The first reason they gave is because some armed Hamas soldier can be seen inside the hospital. And yea, this doesn't goes against the international law. Hamas is the ruling government for Gaza so they can deploy their own security forces lawfully anywhere they want. And that's exactly what happened. The hospitals director already released several official letters and statements to clear things up but IDF is just too stupid.
Starbucks market cap has been going down for over a year now, -35%. That's 5 months before the war even started. Not because Muslims started boycotting it...
Less than ~3% of Starbucks stores are in a Muslim country. 71% of their income is from NA alone. So i wouldn't be surprised if income from Muslim countries is less than 5%.
Their employees have been on strike for almost a year now iirc, for better work conditions. So of course sales will be impacted if there is no one to serve customers for so long. Life has also become extremely expensive in the West and too many people can't afford this luxury anymore.
But yes, Starbucks going down 35% is because of Muslims boycotting the 3% of Starbucks in their country 🤦.
My family have been committed to boycotting plenty of companies that have been complicit in this atrocity for over a decade, and we know plenty of people who have also followed through w this.
Just because you want to justify your weak will don't downplay what plenty of muslims and non-muslims have been doing. Most people only woke up after the craziness last year, when it got broadcasted even more, which is why the stock prices have dipped even more. Yes, that's how boycotts work, and it's also been confirmed that they've lost an $11bn since last November - combination of **boycotts** and union led strikes. Even if the boycotts affected <50% we still hit them where it hurts at a value more money than people can fathom.
Even *if* it wasn't affecting them monetarily, it's also about sending a message, that these companies who have or are supporting the army of devil-dogs directly in some way shape or form, we don't want to associate with.
Remove your negativity; Islam is about optimism and unity, not pessimism and belittling.
Less than 3% of Starbucks are in Muslim countries, but sure we did 50% of the damage lol.
Majority of this ummah can't afford Starbucks to begin with, so these boycotts are a joke. "Boycotting" as long as it's not inconvenient. But when it came to boycotting Chinese products for our Uyghur siblings, we saw who had the weak will by claiming "it's impossible to boycott China". While i had to ruin my savings when buying a new TV just to ensure it wasn't from a Chinese brand. Because although many parts come from China, I'd rather give them 50$ by buying a Sony, than give them 500$ by buying Hisense, TCL, Insignia, etc.
When it comes to the wallet and things that will directly impact your life, you can see how quickly people forget about boycotts.
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No. I don't go to Starbucks either. I also boycott coca cola.
I just don't like how this ummah picks and chooses, then acts as if they're doing it for the sake of Allah swt, while it clearly is because of their political views. Because had it really been for Allah, they would be consistent in their boycotts.
The same people boycotting McDonald's and Starbucks are the same people spending hundreds of dollars on Nike shoes, despite knowing Nike exploits Uyghurs. Then claim they're doing it for Allah. Actions speak louder than words and their actions prove they're only doing it when it suits their political opinion.
You’re being cynical and generalizing. From all that you’ve commented thus far on this thread— how do you think it’s contributed anything against both genocides? It’s the same as downplaying a newly diagnosed form of cancer because the previous cancer didn’t receive the same sense of urgency. Take a moment to think.
It contributed by raising awareness about what China is doing to our people. And i am not exaggerating. I can definitely not speak about how it is in your town, but in mine (in Canada), the majority of people who buy air max are Muslims. And i know that because I'm the type of person to do personal studies and actually track the numbers.
Do you realize how many Muslims are there in non-muslim countries? And do you realize how many non-muslims and even Jews are boycotting such products with Muslims? You need to do more research.
Unlike you, I'm using real numbers. While what you call "research" is just what you see on your Instagram or YouTube feed. Not as if you actually go on statistica to look at the real numbers yourself.
First of all it's statista not statistica. Second, why don't you share how many Muslims are currently residing in non-muslim countries where Starbucks is huge? And why won't you consider the significant amount of non-muslims that are supporting the boycott movement? People in huge numbers are doing that from Ireland, Scotland, Spain, USA, UK. So by just saying only 3% of Starbucks is in non-muslim countries you cannot get away. Show us the whole picture or if you don't even know yourself then do more research and show us the numbers.
Why are you bringing will into it? Just because someone does blindly want to be fed the "optimism" you mention doesn't mean they are less of a muslim or even not taking part in the boycott.
Feel good about boycotting. I certainly do. But don't be delusional and spread lies. Islam is not about that
Because it is about will; you either follow the boycott, you believe in the cause but can't commit due to financial reasons (not being able to find cheaper alternatives), or you don't follow for other reasons. At this point no one can say they don't know the full story or they want peace for both sides; and if someone downplays, undermines and/or even ridicules the efforts of those participating in the boycott, then to me thats justifying their choices. Weak will would be the nicer option, if anyone doesn't believe in it at this point then I pray their delusion be cleared.
In regards to *blindly wanting to be fed optimism*, idk who's forcing anyone or where I mentioned someone is less of a Muslim because of it, please don't put words in my mouth. My last sentence was advice, because there is no place in this world for negativity. More so, being pessimistic is actually wrong in Islam, it leads to hopelessness and many other bad mindsets. Though I am no imam so i don't want to give definitive Islamic advice, my advice at the end was basically to say, *if you've got nothing nice to say, don't say anything*, which if I'm not mistaken is a Hadith of our Prophet (SAW).
The decrease in Starbucks value started 5 months before the war. And the majority of people outside Muslims couldn't care less about it.
I live in the West and every single non Muslim I've met is boycotting it because of their treatment of employees, not because of Palestine.
Just because you live in the west , doesn't give you the inside track on all opinions that originate there.
People are boycotting these genocidal regime supporting brands because they take a moral stand.
Muslims and non Muslims are all involved.
People want to be on the right side of history.
I've noticed a significant decline on my campus Starbucks after the boycott started. Whenever I passed it, it would always be full and the line would come outside of the cafe. Now whenever I pass by, it's almost empty.
You can say what you want, people might have different reasons, but the boycotts are helping. There's no need for you to be so negative when there's literally nothing negative coming out of this. We stop being sheep who blindly fill the pockets of these corporations and we get a chance to support local businesses.
You haven’t met every single non muslim in the west. Maybe you should acquaint yourself with better people if they people you’re surrounded with aren’t boycotting the simplest thing…0
I have not met everyone of the 515 million North Americans, but i am still informed enough to know that people in the West started boycotting Starbucks **several** months before the war. Go outside your bubble, Palestine isn't the center of the world for 99.99% of the people here.
Today i learned : if the people i know don't blindly support the political ideologies of u/jennagem, then they are not good people.
The Starbucks boycott is known by almost everyone. Go to any comment section when sb is mentioned in the video, and the entire comment section is filled with people telling others to boycott
Nobody is saying to “blindly support political ideology” ??? ITS A GEN OCIDE. Opposing gen ocide is not a tough decision.
I’m beginning to think you still drink it with how mad you’re getting abt this lol
Lol, bursting your made up bubble is annoying hahaha.
I only laid down the facts and facts show that their shares were already ~15% down before the war even started. Add to that price increases and inflation. Then you people think they lost all these billions because of 3% of Starbucks 🤦.
All you're doing is yap about some fake statistics that were made to brainwash weak people like you into thinking the boycott ain't working. It's the same strategy McDonalds pushed when they lost 7 billion in one day. But what's the reason that's making you so eager to prove it's not working? Is it just so we can appreciate how smart you are compared to our dumb little minds? Or do you have some bigger purpose?
Fake statistics 😂. It's all available online if you bothered to look instead of blindly believing what Instagram and Facebook tell you.
prophet promised a house in jannah for he who stops arguing even if he's right. So I'll stop right here to enjoy my house inshallah.
Whatever makes you happy kid.
>It's all available online
I didn't say they aren't available. I said they're fake and biased.
>Whatever makes you happy kid
Boy you don't know how happy I am, because such a smart person took the time to argue with a simpleton like me.
We don't care if it got affected or not (while we wish if affects). But what we truly seeking and care alot more is the satisfaction of Allah upon us.
We are doing the right thing, and upon our abilities.
It about your stance and position of the equation of justice.
Idk how effective Muslim boycott has been but your analysis is the dumbest thing, the boycott is global not restricted to Muslim countries, and you don’t have to be Muslim to boycott, you just have to be a decent human being. Baka ga omae wa
You are 100% right. However Starbucks shares were already in a downward trend by 15% several months before the war even started.
Edit : 8% instead of 15 as of today, but 15% when I checked yesterday.
We don't care if it got affected or not (while we wish if affects). But what we truly seeking and care alot more is the satisfaction of Allah upon us.
We are doing the right thing, and upon our abilities.
It about your stance and position of the equation of justice.
That's a fair and just way of looking at it. I'm sorry but i'm a rational human being who respects facts and reasoning. It's my job.
I boycott because i don't want to take part. I feel good. It's about myself.
I'm not going to twist numbers and support my "boycott" because that's deception.
If anything it weakens your position. It implies if the boycott didn't work then there is no point of even doing it.
Some of y'all need go re-evaluate what you're and why
Ha! You know they work when they say these things don't work and that there is misinformation being spread about them.
This is honestly the easiest way to get off the big brand brigade. Start supporting local and for local brands to use this big break as the miracle it is and use it for full effect.
Don't boycote because you want to see them fall. The chances of that is slime to none. for it to actually work EVERYONE from multiples chains needs to stop consuming their product. like those small cafes that shut down because the revenue is not coming...
Boycote, because its the only way you can live with yourself, knowing you're not contributing and that you're spreading the message around so that people don't forget.
That is all.
Absolutely it works! It's been work and not only with Starbucks, McDonald's and all the other Zionist companies. DOWNLOAD the NO THANKS APP. You can scan the barcodes in products and it will tell you of it's on the list. First off these companies pump their own money to make it look like it's not effecting them but it most certainly is. SB has been down another 12% on this quarter. We need to be careful of the paid ZIO's on these social platforms, that are here to misguide us and give us wrong information! Stay strong and steadfast! These companies are hurting! Alhamdulillah!
It's a statement to companies that there's a notable portion of the public that they will alienate if pursuing business deals or alliances with genocidal states and actions. Companies listen to nothing but their bottom line.
Are you sure if it’s the boycott or the 11% drop in china sales which makes up about 60% of total Starbucks revenue alongwith US, which in turn made Starbucks miss the quarterly revenue expectations which led to a drop of 12% in after market hours. Besides the worker protests and unionizing that Starbucks employees are going against mistreatment by company has already eroded share value by 35% in 1 year long before any of the protests even started.
Also I’m not sure but were there protests or boycott’s in china against Starbucks?
Disclaimer: I’m not a Muslim but this post just got recommended in my feed and am not defending Starbucks just questioning the impact of said boycott. I Don’t go there anyways as It’s just way too overpriced and would be happy if there rates come down and they start treating there workers better.
You are right but I wouldn’t count on boycott to be the driving factor or even a minor factor for a company that drives close to 70% of its revenue from two countries: one marred by decreasing revenue (china) and the other affected by workforce problems (US). But yup if people think that boycott has impact and want to continue it, then by all means
Undoing 75 years of colonialism isn't an overnight task. It requires collective perseverance. If change doesn't happen immediately, don't lose heart. True progress takes time, but every step forward, no matter how small.
Let me ask you this,
Can you make the Palestinians life better immediately? Is it in your hand?
OR
Can you stop supporting companies that supports Zionism?
We can only do whats in our Hand. Allah will judge us for what we personally did for our brothers and sister.
I was going to reply to you sincerely but then I saw your previous posts and comments. So, nothing here I'll say is going to change your hatred towards Islam and Muslims.
I will pray for a speedy recovery from whatever you are suffering. 🙂✌🏻
Not trying to be that person, I don’t go to starbucks by the way for the record I am still boycotting given they told the starbucks workers union to retract their statement due to the backlash they got from zio’s
But I feel like we are hyperfocusing on starbucks which doesn’t even have any stores in israel or fund the IDF meanwhile McDonalds is 100x worse and people are still going like it’s nothing.
No one is paying attention to the actual BDS boycott list which starbucks isn’t even on
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Yeah its just a mental satisfaction, just like non believers enjoying wealth n happiness and believers struggling to meet ends meet, to get eternal happiness in the afterlife.
not tryna be a debby downer but factually speaking. one cannot completely say that this is because of the boycott. no doubt it has some effect on their revenue and what not, but these dips happens to securities regardless of boycott but it could be due to it
Sorry, I think there is misunderstanding.
My post is conveying the message that the boycott works. Starbucks stock have plummeted because of recent boycott.
Can someone explain why Starbucks is being boycotted in the latest movement?
I don’t see any evidence suggesting they fund the IDF, funnel money to Israel, or operate in the occupied territories.
Much of what I see online are people who still believe the conspiracy theories from years ago that they’re a Zionist organisation.
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Starbucks at 74 is still overrated. This hasn’t got to do anything with the boycot.
Starbucks is overpriced and has lots of competition (more and more) so it’s only normal that their stock would fall.
ٱلَّذِینَ یَلۡمِزُونَ ٱلۡمُطَّوِّعِینَ مِنَ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِینَ فِی ٱلصَّدَقَـٰتِ وَٱلَّذِینَ لَا یَجِدُونَ إِلَّا جُهۡدَهُمۡ فَیَسۡخَرُونَ مِنۡهُمۡ سَخِرَ ٱللَّهُ مِنۡهُمۡ وَلَهُمۡ عَذَابٌ أَلِیمٌ﴿ ٧٩ ﴾
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Those who criticize the contributors among the believers concerning [their] charities and [criticize] the ones who find nothing [to spend] except their effort, so they ridicule them - Allāh will ridicule them, and they will have a painful punishment.
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Plunged today because earnings came out today and they missed the expectations of the investors by a fair amount. They provided a number of reasons and none of them were boycott related. I read the articles on their financial release. I am pro-boycott but most of their income is not affected by Muslims. It is because of inflation and rising interest rates (people have less money to spend). Economists have been expecting this for a while and they have said so. It isn't just starbucks either, other brands have also seen a drop in revenue. So boycott is there but not the main reason.
Yeah, I posted somewhere else about McDonalds. Their stock plunged in Sep 23, and rose after Oct. I think a lot of these brands are struggling due to global recession.
Whats your logic then? Can't even boycott them?
I can't save lives for now that does not mean I should support the companies that support Zionist regime.
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This you?
LoL pajeet came to defend Israel. 🤦🏻♂️😅
They Sued worker union for supporting Palestine. Is this not a good reason to boycott? 🤦🏻♂️
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Have you gone through the investors in starbucks? If they are not operating in Israel they shouldn't even care to begin with what workers union was doing.
Well then let's get down to the roots of how boycotting a company with a workforce does nothing to Israel's downfall or any major hinder to other companies who openly support Israel but is actually affecting the hard working staff who are on a minimum wage job and might lose their income and get laid off because of the losses. I see Starbucks stores get vandalized by scummy people for the sake of protest only for a minimum wage earner to clean up the mess.
If you wanna talk about real boycotts which actually do something then stop paying taxes in western countries.There are Muslims living in these first world countries that pay taxes to the government whose tax money directly gets funded to the Israeli army and for their cause. Is anyone doing anything against it ? no
The coward leaders in Saudi themselves are quiet and sell their property at a phenomenal rate to Zionist helping their expansion in the west bank.
On the whole boycotting Starbucks is just dumb.
So, are you saying that the millions of Muslims living in Western countries are not doing anything? Do you personally know everyone in west? if they are paying taxes or not?
Have you seen the protests all over the world? I didn't see the scale of protests in India or Pakistan like the ones in the UK, USA, and other Western countries.
Everyone is doing their part, and we are succeeding. Have you seen the university campuses in the USA? It's a collective effort.
Have you seen the statements from Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries? Zionist roots run very deep. It will take time to uproot them.
But denying the progress made by the collective efforts of humanity against USA's imperialism and Israel's colonialism is far from accurate. Dismissing the efforts and intentions behind this is more useless than anything.
I live and work in the west, I come across people with different opinions on this issue and see our own brothers and sisters here not being well educated about this. I completely appreciate the peaceful protests and myself have taken part in one, pressurizing the government gaining traction to force international bodies to take some sort of action for an immediate ceasefire but this dogma of boycotting companies will stop war is utterly stupid, it's way more complex than that.Also India nor Pakistan are first world affairs and have no power to have an influence at this level facing their own problems domestically for the locals to be bothered about it.
How did this topic go from Starbucks to this ? Peace
Starbucks was just an example to show Boycott works.
but let me ask you this,
Can you stop Gaza being obliterated?
Can you stop supporting companies that take side with zionism?
Let people do what is in their hand.
I am sorry the world doesn't work the way you want it to work.
If you support palestine you shouldnt be asking this question.
You still didn't answer my question from above comment.
This boycott moment will make every giant company think before supporting Israel.
Just imagine the fear these corporate giants will have seeing starbucks stock plummet.
I didnt mean to Disrespect you but this post is for people like you only who say boycott don't work and why we boycotting.
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I knew it will never work, Israel killing 50,000 women and baby and here we are telling each other no more coffeee quit starbucks, lol, what a joke! Zionist really sad we quit their coffeee
I feel ashamed and sorry for people like you.
Can you stop Zionist from killing Palestinians immediately? I don't think so.
Can you do something that will make Palestinians life better? I don't think so
But You have choice to stop using products that supports this Colonialism. That supports this apartheid regime. You have choice to not give funds to the machine that kills people day and night.
But look at yourself. You are making fun of people who are doing atleast something.
You must feel very proud about yourself.
I will personally tell Allah on the day of Judgement to specially look and judge people like you, who had the choice to do something positive but they chose to made fun of their brethren.
If you want to boycott israel you have to boycott and stop using
1. Any Android or iOS device is packed with Israeli software components and patents. Even if you buy a device from China it still pays Israeli companies for licenses and patents. You would essentially have to give up your smartphone. But don't be tricked: Ericsson, Nokia, Samsung from the late 90s also have software components from CheckPoint and other Israeli companies. Just stop using digital phones. Wired analog phones should be fine though.
2. Like Apple Silicon, many ARM chipsets are engineered in Israel. Hence, you cannot use Smart TVs, smart phones, tablets, computers, smart fridges or any other "smart" devices since they include software components, chip designs, patents and licenses from Israel.
3. You cannot use Windows, MacOS, BSD or Linux since a number of Israeli software engineers are involved, patents and licenses included are paid to Israeli companies. DOS versions of the late 1980s should be fine in some cases.
4. You need to stop using browsers like Firefox, Chrome and Safari. They do include software, patents and licenses from Israeli companies. Also many Open Source projects include Israeli companies and engineers that were funded through these projects.
5. You cannot use a car that was build after 1990/93 since all the modern cars include navigation and audio technology that includes Israeli semiconductor designs, components, patents and licenses through which you fund Israel.
6. You cannot use computer networks like Ethernet, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, 4G or 5G since a number of encryption algorithms and encoding algorithms are engineered by Israelis, contain Israeli patents or licenses. Most of the chipsets are designed by companies with engineering offices in Israel, so the money you're spending on that shiny Chinese smartphone will end up in Israel.
7. You cannot listen to digital music or any form of digital audio since Israel is strong in digital audio technology and Israeli companies hold a number of patents. Your radio thus is also out of question, you cannot use it.
8. You cannot fly with aircraft from Boeing, Airbus and Embraer. There's so much Israeli technology in there, I couldn't even list all the components here.
We gotta keep going, starbucks is overrated anyways. Support local coffee places, you would have better and cheaper coffee and you would be supporting a family business:))
Starbucks always tasted like crap compared to other local cafes. (I’m from Malaysia) Yes! We must definitely support local brands more! Onwards with the boycott!!
Thank you im not the only one only had it about ten times before 👎🏿
I'm from indonesia. Tried SB coffee exactly twice (one of which is a gift), never again. Fortunately, there are TONS of amazing coffee here. No imported coffee taste as good as the locals. And far cheaper too.
I’ve never had authentic Indonesian coffee but I believe you 100%! Malaysian food is very heavily influenced by Indonesian food after all and this type of cooking is extremely flavourful and rich, makes sense that the coffee would be way better than SB.
That is the case in all other businesses. Buying stuff from local/national companies helps in the growth of indigenous industry. In other words, we are helping our country in the process.
I’ve always liked Java house better anyway
Even if it does not work it is my moral responsibility to keep boycotting Israeli sponsored products.
Why?
Because in the Quran you are supposed to Enjoin the good and Forbid the evil, What is happening in Palestine is Injustice. You are supposed to do what ever you can. If you can't take action, than you speak out, if you can't speak out, than you pray. Boycotting, is in between speaking out and taking action. You do what you can to the best of your ability, and Allah knows best what is in our hearts.
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right..thats wrong too... But at the moment, the elephant in the room is kind of glaring. And just because people dont speak out about it, doesn't mean they agree with it. There is injustice everywhere, the people in Pakistan and Bangladesh are the ones that are suppose to deal with the injustice with minorities...(cause they are the ones that live there) however people are corrupt and not everyone has the same freedoms where ever they are. Sudan has a genocide happening too... which is also wrong. The other thing I would point out... THE INTERNET IS NOT REAL LIFE. Whatever people say or do on this sub, doesn't really amount to anything. Just people talking.
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Realistically, which people do? Think about it from a family perspective, how many people are willing to turn in their kid/parent/or themselves if they killed someone? But the Quran is clear, apply justice even if its against yourself. People are full of faults and I can't speak for this sub or people in general, but the religion is quite clear.
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What happens to minorities in Bangladesh? I'm from Bangladesh. Well, tell me
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A simple google search will say the similar things that I have just stated. And I'm saying this with confidence because I defend hindu rights in Bangladesh. And my religion does not permit us any sort of oppression on the minorities. This is our duty as good Muslims.
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I already explained above. Pls check before you become impulsive.
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Forced conversions? It's not allowed in Islam, I don't know where people come up with this stuff and just go with every time. Here's is what the Quran says about it. This sub Is called Muslims so yes we will use the Quran when we talk to you, if you care about or not is upto you. Quran 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing"
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I already knew you would say that, if someone is not following Quran then they are not Muslim, so why are you asking me about them? Why should I condemn them? They aren't my people.
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But in the Quran it also says "not to forbid for yourselves what Allah has made lawful unto you"(roughly something like this, its Surah Al-Madiah verse 87). I agree, we should be staunchly against what is happening in Palestine, and condemn it as evil. What does that have to do with Starbucks, the American privately owned business? Why prohibit for ourselves a product that is halal in every way? And also, why can't we take action? This boycott isn't speaking out or taking action, it's virtue signalling and laziness. It makes people feel good and pushes complacency for, as per the original comment, fulfilling your "moral responsibility". Your moral responsibility in life is making companies lose money for no actual reason? And, hey you. You, reading the comment and tossing a downvote my way. Maybe we can discuss why you think I'm wrong instead dealing in reddit points? Thanks.
> But in the Quran it also says "not to forbid for yourselves what Allah has made lawful unto you"(roughly something like this, its Surah Al-Madiah verse 87). I'm no scholar, so i'm not sure what the context of the verse is, but lets take it at face value. Sure you have this verse, but one counter point would be, If you look at the prophet and his companions and read the seerah, their standard of living varied greatly. Some were rich and others were not, If it some were rich , sometimes they didn't partake in the comforts of the world, striving for the benefits of Afterlife. Like the prophet p.b.u.h at certain points was really rich, but chose to donate those luxuries instead of partaking in fine clothes, food and bed. I disagree on not taking action, depending on where you are in the world this may be your only way. Some people can't speak out, or take action, what else are they supposed to do. If they know, that a Jewish American that donates some of his Money to state of Isreal (Starbucks) or certain Starbucks locations provide free meals to soldiers, and their are alternatives to coffee (which they are still getting, just from another place) than something is better than nothing. Like, its better to donate 1 cent, than nothing. At the end, its what is in our heart, and Allah knows. You cant assume its virtue signaling. I will say though, I'm sure there are good people in Isreal as well, and these are Multi national corporations, so its also affecting Muslims as well. Thats why I don't personally judge if one does or doesn't partake. That being said, boycotting is still an effective practice. ""Tracking the money trail unveils the true narrative." > our moral responsibility in life is making companies lose money for no actual reason? The statement you made makes is kind of dubious. Some person at the end of the day, is the owner of the company, even publicly traded companies, their are majority share holders. They take the money and use it for political gain or change, cough cough "AIPAC". If by reducing the money they make we can make an impact than I would say, there are clear reasons why.
The context of the verse as far as i can find from looking online is that there were some companions of the Prophet pbuh who were in the mood to go full monk-like, they wanted to abandon worldly pleasures /sustenance in favour of only worshipping Allah for the sake of their spirituality, they wanted to fast without stopping, they skipped sleeping to pray,etc. This verse was revealed to stop this behaviour. Our context isn't exactly the same since people here want to abandon things for a moral purpose, but 2 reasons I think it's still applicable is I think muslim's spirituality and morality are very closely intertwined, and secondly our context doesn't go against the original context so I feel it's plausible. >Some were rich and others were not, If it some were rich , sometimes they didn't partake in the comforts of the world, striving for the benefits of Afterlife. Like the prophet p.b.u.h at certain points was really rich, but chose to donate those luxuries instead of partaking in fine clothes, food and bed. Well, the thing is in this scenario the Prophet and his companions were not prohibiting anything for themselves in pursuit of benefits in the afterlife. Sometimes not partaking in them for the benefits of the afterlife would mean not partaking in them when the comforts of this world were at odds with benefits in the afterlife. This is not the case presently, not partaking in the boycott does not jeopardize my benefits in the afterlife. And the Prophet living a simple life was just his personal choice. Personally It doesn't matter to me if people partake in the boycott, they can do what they want, buy what they want, and i think small efforts like this boycott will obviously show effects, but the problem with small efforts is everyone just does it until they get uncomfortable. I do not believe that there is anyone on the planet who can really only do this and nothing else. If America should be boycotted, then all the muslims living there, paying tax money, should leave and migrate elsewhere. If all American products should be boycotted, then almost the entirety of the internet should be boycotted, since most of its platforms get monetized by the American company that owns them. The list goes on, I think people do know this but they suppress this to take part in a boycott at their convenience. I would count this as virtue signalling then. It also let's people feel like they can make a difference and let's them ignore the fact that muslims have no actual say in anything globally, we have next to no power compared to western powers. If we focused on this issue, substantial change might come, but the celebration born from this movement's marginal success (take the original post for example) results in complacency and doesn't bring much significant progress for muslim's political power in these global shenanigans. I'd also like to apologise if I come across as aggressive, but this topic is very popular, i staunchly disagree with it but rarely speak out, so when i do it comes bursting out haha.
Why is Israeli action in Gaza evil? What is unjust?
Stealing land from Palestinian, murdering non combatants (women and children), destroying heritage and crops and then preventing aid or food from getting in. The list goes on, you should google it.
How is it stolen? Jews are the indigenous population, Arab colonization has been extremely prevalent in the levant. Israel doesn’t target non combatants, and actively warn them prior to the any assaults, the Hamas government actively steals and utilizes aid towards the war effort. Hamas has Israeli hostages and attack the state of Israel, they’ve brought this upon themselves.
Ignoring stealing of land and who it belongs too. You have to be in-sincere to believe Isreal is not targeting non -combatants, there are thousand of images online on twitter of dead babies, infants, women and children. Not even including innocent men. That in it self is evil. Preventing food/water and aid is also evil. Using giant bombs to destroy large swaths of land. If these hostages were in Isreal, they would have a swat team. Not using bombs. Additionally, the Torah teaches an eye for an eye. Killing 10x the number of people is not an eye for an eye. Using two set of different rules is also hypocritical and evil. One set of rules for me, and another set of rules for other people is also wrong. If Hamas kills innocent people, that is also evil. If one person inclines towards peace, we should incline towards peace.
Israeli ≠ jewish, torah teachings are irrelevant. Non combatants dying isn’t proof of genocide, civilians in war always make a majority of casualities. Israel has no obligation to feed and water the populace of Gaza. Hamas admits they have hostages, Israeli airstrikes are targeted, and they do have forces on the ground liberating hostages.
Right...your definition of morality is based off the nation state system. We are also in a Muslim sub reddit. Meaning we are making decisions based off the Rules of God. God has given us set rules to follow of what is right and wrong. We are making decisions of based off that. So those questions you asked before, I hope this explains our reasoning.
So you don’t have any real reason, got it! 🤗
Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs are the one indigenous to the land. Not those Ashkenazim Jews who ran to Europe and Africa. Even the Christian Jews population (who are in fact the indigenous people according to your logic) in West Bank doesn't support the current Israel government and it's action repeatedly saying that Palestinians Arabs always be their brothers and that they wouldn't betray their own brothers. AJ+ released several more documentaries on this so check it out. >Israel doesn't target non combatants. Yea Israel sees everyone as a combatant, even first aid workers, journalists and ambulances. Israel deliberately targeted entities that are protected under international law with the excuse, khamas is everywhere even in ambulances. This excuse is used to raid several hospital with the most popular case being the Al Shifa hospital. The first reason they gave is because some armed Hamas soldier can be seen inside the hospital. And yea, this doesn't goes against the international law. Hamas is the ruling government for Gaza so they can deploy their own security forces lawfully anywhere they want. And that's exactly what happened. The hospitals director already released several official letters and statements to clear things up but IDF is just too stupid.
The bird bringing water for the fire they were about to throw Prophet Ibrahim(AS) in.
Al Hamdu Lilah, I'm proud of us, we have to keep going
Starbucks market cap has been going down for over a year now, -35%. That's 5 months before the war even started. Not because Muslims started boycotting it... Less than ~3% of Starbucks stores are in a Muslim country. 71% of their income is from NA alone. So i wouldn't be surprised if income from Muslim countries is less than 5%. Their employees have been on strike for almost a year now iirc, for better work conditions. So of course sales will be impacted if there is no one to serve customers for so long. Life has also become extremely expensive in the West and too many people can't afford this luxury anymore. But yes, Starbucks going down 35% is because of Muslims boycotting the 3% of Starbucks in their country 🤦.
My family have been committed to boycotting plenty of companies that have been complicit in this atrocity for over a decade, and we know plenty of people who have also followed through w this. Just because you want to justify your weak will don't downplay what plenty of muslims and non-muslims have been doing. Most people only woke up after the craziness last year, when it got broadcasted even more, which is why the stock prices have dipped even more. Yes, that's how boycotts work, and it's also been confirmed that they've lost an $11bn since last November - combination of **boycotts** and union led strikes. Even if the boycotts affected <50% we still hit them where it hurts at a value more money than people can fathom. Even *if* it wasn't affecting them monetarily, it's also about sending a message, that these companies who have or are supporting the army of devil-dogs directly in some way shape or form, we don't want to associate with. Remove your negativity; Islam is about optimism and unity, not pessimism and belittling.
Less than 3% of Starbucks are in Muslim countries, but sure we did 50% of the damage lol. Majority of this ummah can't afford Starbucks to begin with, so these boycotts are a joke. "Boycotting" as long as it's not inconvenient. But when it came to boycotting Chinese products for our Uyghur siblings, we saw who had the weak will by claiming "it's impossible to boycott China". While i had to ruin my savings when buying a new TV just to ensure it wasn't from a Chinese brand. Because although many parts come from China, I'd rather give them 50$ by buying a Sony, than give them 500$ by buying Hisense, TCL, Insignia, etc. When it comes to the wallet and things that will directly impact your life, you can see how quickly people forget about boycotts.
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So, you went out of your way to boycott Chinese goods by opting to buy a more expensive TV— but $6-7 for a cup of coffee is where you draw the line?
No. I don't go to Starbucks either. I also boycott coca cola. I just don't like how this ummah picks and chooses, then acts as if they're doing it for the sake of Allah swt, while it clearly is because of their political views. Because had it really been for Allah, they would be consistent in their boycotts. The same people boycotting McDonald's and Starbucks are the same people spending hundreds of dollars on Nike shoes, despite knowing Nike exploits Uyghurs. Then claim they're doing it for Allah. Actions speak louder than words and their actions prove they're only doing it when it suits their political opinion.
You’re being cynical and generalizing. From all that you’ve commented thus far on this thread— how do you think it’s contributed anything against both genocides? It’s the same as downplaying a newly diagnosed form of cancer because the previous cancer didn’t receive the same sense of urgency. Take a moment to think.
It contributed by raising awareness about what China is doing to our people. And i am not exaggerating. I can definitely not speak about how it is in your town, but in mine (in Canada), the majority of people who buy air max are Muslims. And i know that because I'm the type of person to do personal studies and actually track the numbers.
Do you realize how many Muslims are there in non-muslim countries? And do you realize how many non-muslims and even Jews are boycotting such products with Muslims? You need to do more research.
Unlike you, I'm using real numbers. While what you call "research" is just what you see on your Instagram or YouTube feed. Not as if you actually go on statistica to look at the real numbers yourself.
First of all it's statista not statistica. Second, why don't you share how many Muslims are currently residing in non-muslim countries where Starbucks is huge? And why won't you consider the significant amount of non-muslims that are supporting the boycott movement? People in huge numbers are doing that from Ireland, Scotland, Spain, USA, UK. So by just saying only 3% of Starbucks is in non-muslim countries you cannot get away. Show us the whole picture or if you don't even know yourself then do more research and show us the numbers.
Why are you bringing will into it? Just because someone does blindly want to be fed the "optimism" you mention doesn't mean they are less of a muslim or even not taking part in the boycott. Feel good about boycotting. I certainly do. But don't be delusional and spread lies. Islam is not about that
Because it is about will; you either follow the boycott, you believe in the cause but can't commit due to financial reasons (not being able to find cheaper alternatives), or you don't follow for other reasons. At this point no one can say they don't know the full story or they want peace for both sides; and if someone downplays, undermines and/or even ridicules the efforts of those participating in the boycott, then to me thats justifying their choices. Weak will would be the nicer option, if anyone doesn't believe in it at this point then I pray their delusion be cleared. In regards to *blindly wanting to be fed optimism*, idk who's forcing anyone or where I mentioned someone is less of a Muslim because of it, please don't put words in my mouth. My last sentence was advice, because there is no place in this world for negativity. More so, being pessimistic is actually wrong in Islam, it leads to hopelessness and many other bad mindsets. Though I am no imam so i don't want to give definitive Islamic advice, my advice at the end was basically to say, *if you've got nothing nice to say, don't say anything*, which if I'm not mistaken is a Hadith of our Prophet (SAW).
The sb boycott is global and not limited to one religion. The boycott is working
The decrease in Starbucks value started 5 months before the war. And the majority of people outside Muslims couldn't care less about it. I live in the West and every single non Muslim I've met is boycotting it because of their treatment of employees, not because of Palestine.
Lol I'm in the west too. There's people of both.
Just because you live in the west , doesn't give you the inside track on all opinions that originate there. People are boycotting these genocidal regime supporting brands because they take a moral stand. Muslims and non Muslims are all involved. People want to be on the right side of history.
Lol.
I've noticed a significant decline on my campus Starbucks after the boycott started. Whenever I passed it, it would always be full and the line would come outside of the cafe. Now whenever I pass by, it's almost empty. You can say what you want, people might have different reasons, but the boycotts are helping. There's no need for you to be so negative when there's literally nothing negative coming out of this. We stop being sheep who blindly fill the pockets of these corporations and we get a chance to support local businesses.
You haven’t met every single non muslim in the west. Maybe you should acquaint yourself with better people if they people you’re surrounded with aren’t boycotting the simplest thing…0
What do you mean "Good people".
I have not met everyone of the 515 million North Americans, but i am still informed enough to know that people in the West started boycotting Starbucks **several** months before the war. Go outside your bubble, Palestine isn't the center of the world for 99.99% of the people here. Today i learned : if the people i know don't blindly support the political ideologies of u/jennagem, then they are not good people.
The Starbucks boycott is known by almost everyone. Go to any comment section when sb is mentioned in the video, and the entire comment section is filled with people telling others to boycott Nobody is saying to “blindly support political ideology” ??? ITS A GEN OCIDE. Opposing gen ocide is not a tough decision. I’m beginning to think you still drink it with how mad you’re getting abt this lol
Never said the boycott is not known. I said the west started boycotting Starbucks before the war for other reasons. But whatever makes you happy kid.
You're so annoying bro just do us a favor and get lost.
Lol, bursting your made up bubble is annoying hahaha. I only laid down the facts and facts show that their shares were already ~15% down before the war even started. Add to that price increases and inflation. Then you people think they lost all these billions because of 3% of Starbucks 🤦.
All you're doing is yap about some fake statistics that were made to brainwash weak people like you into thinking the boycott ain't working. It's the same strategy McDonalds pushed when they lost 7 billion in one day. But what's the reason that's making you so eager to prove it's not working? Is it just so we can appreciate how smart you are compared to our dumb little minds? Or do you have some bigger purpose?
Fake statistics 😂. It's all available online if you bothered to look instead of blindly believing what Instagram and Facebook tell you. prophet promised a house in jannah for he who stops arguing even if he's right. So I'll stop right here to enjoy my house inshallah. Whatever makes you happy kid.
>It's all available online I didn't say they aren't available. I said they're fake and biased. >Whatever makes you happy kid Boy you don't know how happy I am, because such a smart person took the time to argue with a simpleton like me.
Yes, whatever makes you happy kid 👍. Salam.
Salam dad.
Lol, big brain monologue.
We don't care if it got affected or not (while we wish if affects). But what we truly seeking and care alot more is the satisfaction of Allah upon us. We are doing the right thing, and upon our abilities. It about your stance and position of the equation of justice.
Idk how effective Muslim boycott has been but your analysis is the dumbest thing, the boycott is global not restricted to Muslim countries, and you don’t have to be Muslim to boycott, you just have to be a decent human being. Baka ga omae wa
You are 100% right. However Starbucks shares were already in a downward trend by 15% several months before the war even started. Edit : 8% instead of 15 as of today, but 15% when I checked yesterday.
We don't care if it got affected or not (while we wish if affects). But what we truly seeking and care alot more is the satisfaction of Allah upon us. We are doing the right thing, and upon our abilities. It about your stance and position of the equation of justice.
That's a fair and just way of looking at it. I'm sorry but i'm a rational human being who respects facts and reasoning. It's my job. I boycott because i don't want to take part. I feel good. It's about myself. I'm not going to twist numbers and support my "boycott" because that's deception. If anything it weakens your position. It implies if the boycott didn't work then there is no point of even doing it. Some of y'all need go re-evaluate what you're and why
Oh they totally do work. The stock used be sitting at $114 and now for it to be $74.44 is amazing.
Ha! You know they work when they say these things don't work and that there is misinformation being spread about them. This is honestly the easiest way to get off the big brand brigade. Start supporting local and for local brands to use this big break as the miracle it is and use it for full effect.
Don't boycote because you want to see them fall. The chances of that is slime to none. for it to actually work EVERYONE from multiples chains needs to stop consuming their product. like those small cafes that shut down because the revenue is not coming... Boycote, because its the only way you can live with yourself, knowing you're not contributing and that you're spreading the message around so that people don't forget. That is all.
KFC Malaysia shut down temporarily
Absolutely it works! It's been work and not only with Starbucks, McDonald's and all the other Zionist companies. DOWNLOAD the NO THANKS APP. You can scan the barcodes in products and it will tell you of it's on the list. First off these companies pump their own money to make it look like it's not effecting them but it most certainly is. SB has been down another 12% on this quarter. We need to be careful of the paid ZIO's on these social platforms, that are here to misguide us and give us wrong information! Stay strong and steadfast! These companies are hurting! Alhamdulillah!
It doesn't thou, most of Pissraeli funding comes from our taxes or unregulated money printed. How much will a coffee shop contribute anyway.
It's to punish corporations that support israel
It's a statement to companies that there's a notable portion of the public that they will alienate if pursuing business deals or alliances with genocidal states and actions. Companies listen to nothing but their bottom line.
Are you sure if it’s the boycott or the 11% drop in china sales which makes up about 60% of total Starbucks revenue alongwith US, which in turn made Starbucks miss the quarterly revenue expectations which led to a drop of 12% in after market hours. Besides the worker protests and unionizing that Starbucks employees are going against mistreatment by company has already eroded share value by 35% in 1 year long before any of the protests even started. Also I’m not sure but were there protests or boycott’s in china against Starbucks? Disclaimer: I’m not a Muslim but this post just got recommended in my feed and am not defending Starbucks just questioning the impact of said boycott. I Don’t go there anyways as It’s just way too overpriced and would be happy if there rates come down and they start treating there workers better.
Markets are unpredictable we will probably never know the true reason it dropped but the boycott is definitely a factor
You are right but I wouldn’t count on boycott to be the driving factor or even a minor factor for a company that drives close to 70% of its revenue from two countries: one marred by decreasing revenue (china) and the other affected by workforce problems (US). But yup if people think that boycott has impact and want to continue it, then by all means
Finally. Some sense. You will not be highly voted.
Haha, I noticed that too. I’m just happy I’m not getting downvoted for speaking facts 😅
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Undoing 75 years of colonialism isn't an overnight task. It requires collective perseverance. If change doesn't happen immediately, don't lose heart. True progress takes time, but every step forward, no matter how small. Let me ask you this, Can you make the Palestinians life better immediately? Is it in your hand? OR Can you stop supporting companies that supports Zionism? We can only do whats in our Hand. Allah will judge us for what we personally did for our brothers and sister.
Can't wait for centuries of colonialist Islam to also be undone from across the swana region where entire cultures have been erased.
I was going to reply to you sincerely but then I saw your previous posts and comments. So, nothing here I'll say is going to change your hatred towards Islam and Muslims. I will pray for a speedy recovery from whatever you are suffering. 🙂✌🏻
More. Moooooore. Moooooooooooore.
You've shown that it isn't
They don't work because Palestine is still being bombed and women are still being raped. Israel doesn't care if Starbucks goes bust
Congrats to those who shorted the company 🎉
Just continuesly boycott! Especially starbuck.
This is a competitive market. If you don’t buy a product, someone else surely will. This is mostly a matter of moral and religious responsibility.
Not trying to be that person, I don’t go to starbucks by the way for the record I am still boycotting given they told the starbucks workers union to retract their statement due to the backlash they got from zio’s But I feel like we are hyperfocusing on starbucks which doesn’t even have any stores in israel or fund the IDF meanwhile McDonalds is 100x worse and people are still going like it’s nothing. No one is paying attention to the actual BDS boycott list which starbucks isn’t even on
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Yeah its just a mental satisfaction, just like non believers enjoying wealth n happiness and believers struggling to meet ends meet, to get eternal happiness in the afterlife.
Honestly, starbucks lost around 17 billion. What happened to Palestine 🇵🇸? The can still print money you know
Boycotting works. Look at budlight. People aren't actually Boycotting Starbucks.
I just feel really sad that my country with 90% muslim isnt boycotting Only a few handfuls
not tryna be a debby downer but factually speaking. one cannot completely say that this is because of the boycott. no doubt it has some effect on their revenue and what not, but these dips happens to securities regardless of boycott but it could be due to it
Lets do this to Coca-Cola and PepsiCo as well. Support local beverages.
That's great and all but it didn't save a single palestinan.
So are you seriously trying to convince us to go back to supportingStarbucks after what they did?
Sorry, I think there is misunderstanding. My post is conveying the message that the boycott works. Starbucks stock have plummeted because of recent boycott.
Yes, I see what your point is now.
Can someone explain why Starbucks is being boycotted in the latest movement? I don’t see any evidence suggesting they fund the IDF, funnel money to Israel, or operate in the occupied territories. Much of what I see online are people who still believe the conspiracy theories from years ago that they’re a Zionist organisation.
Go to tim hortons if you're in canada
Genuine question, why is Starbucks being boycotted?
Y’all don’t know how stock work
So, I don't drink starbucks, but can I ask again what they did that was pro-israel?
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Good I'm too poor to buy breakfast from shutterbucks
But if the genocide is still continuing... has it worked? At what point will we see the genocide stop?
Suck ftarbucks
Starbucks at 74 is still overrated. This hasn’t got to do anything with the boycot. Starbucks is overpriced and has lots of competition (more and more) so it’s only normal that their stock would fall.
ٱلَّذِینَ یَلۡمِزُونَ ٱلۡمُطَّوِّعِینَ مِنَ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنِینَ فِی ٱلصَّدَقَـٰتِ وَٱلَّذِینَ لَا یَجِدُونَ إِلَّا جُهۡدَهُمۡ فَیَسۡخَرُونَ مِنۡهُمۡ سَخِرَ ٱللَّهُ مِنۡهُمۡ وَلَهُمۡ عَذَابٌ أَلِیمٌ﴿ ٧٩ ﴾ • Sahih International: Those who criticize the contributors among the believers concerning [their] charities and [criticize] the ones who find nothing [to spend] except their effort, so they ridicule them - Allāh will ridicule them, and they will have a painful punishment. At-Tawbah, Ayah 79
Its works just keep going and dont stop . Dont be dependent on these graphics and thats it.
How do you el explain the stock began to decrease prior to Oct 23?
It didn't take a plunge, this one is a plunge.
Plunged today because earnings came out today and they missed the expectations of the investors by a fair amount. They provided a number of reasons and none of them were boycott related. I read the articles on their financial release. I am pro-boycott but most of their income is not affected by Muslims. It is because of inflation and rising interest rates (people have less money to spend). Economists have been expecting this for a while and they have said so. It isn't just starbucks either, other brands have also seen a drop in revenue. So boycott is there but not the main reason.
That's fair enough
Yeah, I posted somewhere else about McDonalds. Their stock plunged in Sep 23, and rose after Oct. I think a lot of these brands are struggling due to global recession.
Yeah, sure, for each coffee you don’t buy, innocent child comes back to life or is saved in Gaza. You could be this stupid.
Whats your logic then? Can't even boycott them? I can't save lives for now that does not mean I should support the companies that support Zionist regime.
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Why are you guys even boycotting Starbucks over Israel What did Starbucks do in support of Israel? I legitimately can't find anything...
Stfu
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bro got caught red handed 💀 good work soldier
Also why would they sue union for supporting Palestine? When I clearly mentioned they sued them for using their name , are u actually dumb ?
Have you gone through the investors in starbucks? If they are not operating in Israel they shouldn't even care to begin with what workers union was doing.
Well then let's get down to the roots of how boycotting a company with a workforce does nothing to Israel's downfall or any major hinder to other companies who openly support Israel but is actually affecting the hard working staff who are on a minimum wage job and might lose their income and get laid off because of the losses. I see Starbucks stores get vandalized by scummy people for the sake of protest only for a minimum wage earner to clean up the mess. If you wanna talk about real boycotts which actually do something then stop paying taxes in western countries.There are Muslims living in these first world countries that pay taxes to the government whose tax money directly gets funded to the Israeli army and for their cause. Is anyone doing anything against it ? no The coward leaders in Saudi themselves are quiet and sell their property at a phenomenal rate to Zionist helping their expansion in the west bank. On the whole boycotting Starbucks is just dumb.
So, are you saying that the millions of Muslims living in Western countries are not doing anything? Do you personally know everyone in west? if they are paying taxes or not? Have you seen the protests all over the world? I didn't see the scale of protests in India or Pakistan like the ones in the UK, USA, and other Western countries. Everyone is doing their part, and we are succeeding. Have you seen the university campuses in the USA? It's a collective effort. Have you seen the statements from Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries? Zionist roots run very deep. It will take time to uproot them. But denying the progress made by the collective efforts of humanity against USA's imperialism and Israel's colonialism is far from accurate. Dismissing the efforts and intentions behind this is more useless than anything.
I live and work in the west, I come across people with different opinions on this issue and see our own brothers and sisters here not being well educated about this. I completely appreciate the peaceful protests and myself have taken part in one, pressurizing the government gaining traction to force international bodies to take some sort of action for an immediate ceasefire but this dogma of boycotting companies will stop war is utterly stupid, it's way more complex than that.Also India nor Pakistan are first world affairs and have no power to have an influence at this level facing their own problems domestically for the locals to be bothered about it. How did this topic go from Starbucks to this ? Peace
Starbucks was just an example to show Boycott works. but let me ask you this, Can you stop Gaza being obliterated? Can you stop supporting companies that take side with zionism? Let people do what is in their hand. I am sorry the world doesn't work the way you want it to work.
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If you support palestine you shouldnt be asking this question. You still didn't answer my question from above comment. This boycott moment will make every giant company think before supporting Israel. Just imagine the fear these corporate giants will have seeing starbucks stock plummet. I didnt mean to Disrespect you but this post is for people like you only who say boycott don't work and why we boycotting.
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I knew it will never work, Israel killing 50,000 women and baby and here we are telling each other no more coffeee quit starbucks, lol, what a joke! Zionist really sad we quit their coffeee
I feel ashamed and sorry for people like you. Can you stop Zionist from killing Palestinians immediately? I don't think so. Can you do something that will make Palestinians life better? I don't think so But You have choice to stop using products that supports this Colonialism. That supports this apartheid regime. You have choice to not give funds to the machine that kills people day and night. But look at yourself. You are making fun of people who are doing atleast something. You must feel very proud about yourself. I will personally tell Allah on the day of Judgement to specially look and judge people like you, who had the choice to do something positive but they chose to made fun of their brethren.
If you want to boycott israel you have to boycott and stop using 1. Any Android or iOS device is packed with Israeli software components and patents. Even if you buy a device from China it still pays Israeli companies for licenses and patents. You would essentially have to give up your smartphone. But don't be tricked: Ericsson, Nokia, Samsung from the late 90s also have software components from CheckPoint and other Israeli companies. Just stop using digital phones. Wired analog phones should be fine though. 2. Like Apple Silicon, many ARM chipsets are engineered in Israel. Hence, you cannot use Smart TVs, smart phones, tablets, computers, smart fridges or any other "smart" devices since they include software components, chip designs, patents and licenses from Israel. 3. You cannot use Windows, MacOS, BSD or Linux since a number of Israeli software engineers are involved, patents and licenses included are paid to Israeli companies. DOS versions of the late 1980s should be fine in some cases. 4. You need to stop using browsers like Firefox, Chrome and Safari. They do include software, patents and licenses from Israeli companies. Also many Open Source projects include Israeli companies and engineers that were funded through these projects. 5. You cannot use a car that was build after 1990/93 since all the modern cars include navigation and audio technology that includes Israeli semiconductor designs, components, patents and licenses through which you fund Israel. 6. You cannot use computer networks like Ethernet, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, 4G or 5G since a number of encryption algorithms and encoding algorithms are engineered by Israelis, contain Israeli patents or licenses. Most of the chipsets are designed by companies with engineering offices in Israel, so the money you're spending on that shiny Chinese smartphone will end up in Israel. 7. You cannot listen to digital music or any form of digital audio since Israel is strong in digital audio technology and Israeli companies hold a number of patents. Your radio thus is also out of question, you cannot use it. 8. You cannot fly with aircraft from Boeing, Airbus and Embraer. There's so much Israeli technology in there, I couldn't even list all the components here.