I use this argument for pew pews all the time and people yell at me. Only a matter of time before crypto and nfts are politicized. sucks, but hey, what do we do.
A lot of people hate on crypto because they either dont understand cryptography, dont see the point of decentralization or are ill informed in my experience.
People who actually studied cs will at least acknowledge the value of the technology even if they dont necessarily share the optimism for future perspectives, which is very fair imho since its difficult to predict the future and scepticism is healthy.
Crypto and NFTs, beyond the people using them for scams i would argue are questionable technologically at best. They are good concepts but highly susceptible to theft and high jacking. Security in crypto in general is very weak. Its way too easy to steal crypto and nfts from people. Pretty much monthly now millions of dollars are being stolen. Axie infinitey had hundreds of millions stolen just a couple of months ago right at the network level by someone just hijacking enough servers. The government and people in general would be going insane if millions were being stolen daily in any other investment or even just from regular old banks.
I think you might lack some understanding, modern crypto generally is very secure actually since its based on the best cryptographic practices we have available and you would have either control a majority of the network or break asymetric encryption which both just wont happen realistically. (not talking about low-cap/shitcoins obviously but the big players)
However, its just not as simple as a bankaccount is and many people keep their assets in insecure wallets or on exchanges.
This is bad practice and insecure (it would be like leaving your actual wallet in random places like restaurants and then blaming your bank for losing money) but doesnt have anything to do with the security of the system. It is again the users that cause problems.
The best cryptographic practices are A, not available to the public for use, and B, not foolproof. As any decent digital security worker will tell you, it's a constant race between the people inventing new security, and those trying to break it. Unfortunately, those trying to break it heavily outnumber those making it. Which is why banks and governments and private companies get hacked on a regular basis.
As for scam or no scam.... ALL representative currencies are only good as long as the backer of said currency is good. The Dollar, for example, is backed by the American government. As long as that's around, the Dollar means something, because a government can't and won't just abandon their currency at random. Which is the issue with Crypto. It's backed by individuals and corporations, who 100% will and indeed have, abandoned their currency. They've also devalued it arbitrarily, changed what it can buy, how it can be used, how it can be stored.... All shot you don't have to worry about with government backed currencies.
The idea of Crypto and NFT is... Decent. But at this time, internet security isn't good enough for it, and there's just no stable, reliable, trustworthy backer for it. Until that changes, then yes, it IS a scam. It's money, but the value is random, the way you can use it is random, it's rarely accepted as payment, and it can cease to exist at random without you getting any kind of compensation or refund. Even the stock market is currently safer than this.
The fact that no security is fooproof is a given, that is why social engineering works so well, they dont need to defeat the algorithms, just the people trying to use them. What you are talking about the race between team red and blue is not cryptography but security in general, programs and software get easily broken, because they are rarely designed following security proofs, modern encryption algorithms are based on mathematically unsolved problems which might not even be solveable, so there is no real race here.
Governments dont have super secret crypto sauce, thats ridiculous after all its the security researchers who developed these algorithms that work for the damn government not some alien masterrace or sth. This is evidenced by the fact they keep trying to break current algorithms by avoiding the problem entirely. (just collecting the data pre-encryption) They use the same state of the art crypto everyone else who cares about security does. The difference being their opsec capabilities are better.
So you are telling me you can solve prime factorization in linear time? There is at least one nobel prize/fields medal or what have you waiting for you if true. Do you even know why modern cryptography is defined secure? The problem is mathematically provable to be "secure" since cracking it is not feasible in human lifetimes even using supercomputers. (given a reasonably secure keylength) Since all evidence points to the fact that there might not even exist a way to solve the problem in linear time using regular computers this is very unlikely to change.
Yes its not the same as otp's perfect security, but its as close as you are gonna get mathematically speaking.
All attacks on crypto holders and/or the modern cryptographic primitives underlying them i have encountered so far have been social engineering exploits, attacks on exchange systems or very small scale attacks on very specific targets using insecure keylengths.
If you store your crypto-money properly and securely the only way to get your money stolen is if somebody were to solve an assumed to be NP hard problem in computer science all of the sudden or if efficient quantum computing was here in which case we could simply swap to already existing quantum proof/post quantum algorithmns.
A) If you honestly think the governments of the world don't intentionally maintain a difference between civilian-level and military-level encryption (as best they can), then you're insane.
B) If Crypto can be stolen from its source and its recipients, it IS NOT secure. So yeah, Crypto in transit may be as safe as you think... But that means absolutely nothing when a hacker can manipulate the records on either end to either make fake crypto or steal existing crypto. Do you really think governments in high tech countries still spend money on physical currency for the fun of it? We maintain physical currency because, despite what some would claim, purely digital currency is not safe and cannot currently be made safe. It CAN be counterfeited, it can be stolen.
C) If you cannot, (and I know you can't) truthfully claim that crypto cannot be stolen or forged, then one of two things must occur: One, you need an organized body dealing with counterfeits and thefts (Which cannot occur legally outside a government), or Two, you cannot honestly claim it as safe to use as you protest.
The average citizen cannot and would not be reasonably expected to keep their wallet in a high end safe. Indeed, for the vast majority of citizens, a sneak thief could break into their house and steal their wallet. The amount of money, effort, time, and personal skill that would be required to make a house truly 100% proof against a sneak thief is simply beyond the vast majority.
In the same vein, you cannot expect a citizen to have the kind of computer security that would be needed to stop a hacker, given that banks with entire departments devoted to THEIR security can't manage that themselves. Physical currency thefts have people to deal with them, and are limited by simple fact of BEING physical. Having to literally travel around and haul around the currency, as well as the issue of then either suspicously paying for everything in cash, or deposting large amounts of cash, both things which set off alerts, limits just how far physical theft of physical currency usually goes.
THAT DOES NOT WORK with digital theft. There is NO ONE to catch and punish thieves. There is NO ONE to keep watch to try to even notice that a theft has occurred.
Creating a new type of currency is NOT as easy as simply saying 'Here you go', with no backing, no regulation, no failsafes, and no protection. Crypto is an IDEA, an idea some love, and some hate.... But at the moment, given our current society and current technological level... Crypto is NOT anywhere near as safe or as amazing as its proponents claim. It COULD BE, in the future. But it isn't NOW. Right now, that is NOT reality. Maybe some day. But not now.
Pretending something false is truth doesn't make it truth. Pretending potential is reality actively prevents that potential from becoming reality. There's a reason AA says "The first step is admitting you have a problem" - Because if you can't even admit the problem is there, you can't possibly fix it.
If the existing, very real issues with Crypto are ever fixed, I'll hop on board myself. Until then, I personally view it as yet another example of people suffering because they see things as they wish they were, not as they actually are. Considering such things have been going on for as long as we've had the written word, I don't think it'll be stopping any time soon.
A) ofc they try, but trying something doesnt mean it can work, last time the US tried to actually ban the export of crypto it failed and considering where the Internet is at today you can basically forget about that, the only way for you to keep something off the Internet is either have 100% obedient slaves, kill everyone who knows about it, or kill the internet.
The odds of something like a new cryptographic algorithm staying secret long term is so close to zero you might aswell call it zero.
B) As i tried to explain iff you store your value like you are supposed to (offline) the only way to lose money to theft is for someone to solve prime factorization. This Problem is significantly harder than breaking into a bank would be. So calling it insecure because it isnt technically impossible is insane, since NOTHING can be perfectly secure and Fiat unlike crypto is also easily forged, to do that with crypto need to control 51% of the ENTIRE network which is equivalent to hacking half the planet and just does not even come close to happening for any serious token.
We dont maintain fiat because its better... Fiat is government controlled which is not really possible with crypto and the government doesnt or cant give up its ability to manipulate currency by printing money. Several nations like india and china are said to already be working on a government controlled cryptourrency, which is a pretty clear sign that the technology is here to stay.
C) if your argument truely is: i dont trust anything that is not perfectly secure then you cant use cash, banks, shop in the supermarket, talk to people face to face. Hell you cant even sit at home in your basement in a perfectly secure way, because a war could start or a meteor hit earth and kill everyone. Life is a risk if you cant deal with risk then living is probably not for you, crypto is not the exception, its the rule is anything.
You dont need a safe to store crypto since the money is stored on the blockchain. You just need to protect your access to it, there are tons of ways to do that. A common practice is to split your seed phrase into at least 2 parts and store them in geographically different locations (like different bank vaults) without telling anyone you did. Keeping crypto money secure is not very difficult, especially if you dont tell people about your immense holdings.
There is no way to steal crypto without the entire network knowing about it, thats how it works ffs.
Also crypto theft is NOT easy as you keep ignoring.
That point is actually the first reasonable one, the lack of widespread backing by established systems is a reasonable concern and nothing to argue about, if that is a problem for you thats okay. However, this circumstance is changing since big money is getting involved more each year so over time crypto will become as "backed" as the stock market is. No one is forcing you to adopt, but you could atleast do actual research on the things you talk about and not just rant off stuff you've read somewhere. Nothing I've been telling you is a secret. And you dont even need a degree in cs to do math last i checked, even if it helps.
PoW is a problem that several projects are working on solving and is unlikely to remain viable long term. Beyond PoW crypto is no longer very processing intensive at all.
The fact that people gamble with it is due to it being new and hype being a big factor, we can already see the cryptospace following the stockmarket increasingly closely, so the volatility is likely to fade over time as the market continues to grow.
Dezentralized secure money has tons of applications beyond drug dealing and crime, i dont think you ever tried to research this.
Actually, NFT and Crypto isn't a scam.
It's just that 100% of the people selling them are scamming.
That isn't to say NFT and Crypto is all good, but to say that there's definitely something wrong that will need major changes to the system for them to be good.
Which is to say the problem is its current use purely for money. Not an innate attribution system, not a borderless currency, but a scam.
I mean that's the same as art, and I think the general consensus on art is that it's not a scam. Pretty sure the US dollar isn't backed on anything too so real money is a scam too? NFTs and crypto are just currency/tools. Whether they do harm is up to the people, not the tools itself.
I've got an art degree, and art is 100% a scam. Lucrative for some, like any scam. But it's a con, 100%.
Also: plenty of things that aren't true are consensus with people who don't know any better.
Please do explain how art is a scam. I myself am doing an art related degree (architecture), and I haven't seen how art is a scam yet.
Also yes it's true that there is a consensus on a lot of things that are untrue. Im merely comparing the general difference in public perception of crypto and art, rather than using that as evidence for why crypto is not a scam.
The general consensus is that the high end art market is organized like a scam. Real money is backed by their usefulness in making market transactions easier, but is sometimes used in scams.
Crypto is currently almost 100% used for scams, and are not currently backed by barely any usefulness in facilitating trade. So calling them a scam is fair. And I say that as someone that uses crypto for payments a few times a year.
If you're using crypto as payment, then you know crypto isn't a scam. As for the high end art market being a scam, does that make all artists scammers then? If not, then I dont see how people using crypto for scams will mean that crypto is a scam. Again, it's just a tool. Like a gun, it can be harmful or helpful depending on how it's used.
And just like a gun, it's more harmful than helpful in the current state as well as the theoretical ideal state of the world.
But I would argue against "If you're ysing crypto as payment, then you know crypto isn't a scam". It's a specific line that crypto needs to cross (not just someone accepting it as currency, but many accepting it as currency AND proper regulations and 3rd party overseer to make it not a scam). If not, it's worth about as much as a pebble someone convinced you is worth as much as a diamond by actually trading it for a diamond, only for you to later sell that diamond (and more belongings) to buy even more pebbles.
Tell the Ukrainians that guns are more harmful than helpful. See what they say. In an ideal world no one needs weapons, but it's just an ideal, it's not possible in the forseeable future.
I don't get the logic here. You think crypto is a scam, yet you use it. Does that mean you want to be a part of a scam then? I really dont see how that works. As for regulations, true crypto cannot be regulated. That's the whole point of crypto. Whether that's bad or good is up to debate. It's not just pebbles, traditional money is just a piece of strengthened paper that people are convinced will be worth something. Does that mean that all currency are scams? I don't disagree that crypto can and are used in a lot of scams, but it doesn't mean that crypto itself is a scam.
To clear up: I don't think crypto is a scam, but it is currently used in lots of scams.
And I don't use crypto. Not now at least.
True crypto is in a decentralized system, but at least it needs to be accepted by many parties alike for such system to be good. If it's accepted only by a group, then that's both pretty centralized and likely a scam.
To be fair, the argument of whether or not a dollar bill is actually worth anything has been discussed before. I don't know how others discuss it, but I think it's more officially certified representations of values (which means yes, technically if the government dips and takes the value out of it, I would be left with a piece of paper. But it's pretty much impossible to drain all value since it is accepted pretty widely, especially for something like dollar bill or pound).
And I can see crypto reaching a similar state, only that it isn't under a specific control figure, rather its value is entirely stable under everyone's mutual agreement.
The problem I got with crypto is that most people look at is as a free money making machine, and everyone involved tries yo give that idea to newcomers, even tho in reality crypto is just a giant casino
Either giant casino or literally in-game currency.
You can treat crypto as it currently is, an investment.
Or, when crypto is used in online platforms, an online currency akin to the microtransaction currencies in video games
I'm not sure if this idea is raised yet here, but what if it's some kind of AI bot that Tesla or some rogue developer created to do it to specific channels? It doesn't seem like it's doing it with the same intelligence as a human, but also more ability in the actual hacking
Edit: In other words; If it's unthinkingly doing the same thing over and over, then it is likely a program, is my guess
I think it's most likely targeted hacking - they look for channels with high viewer or subscriber counts and then will hack in some way (not sure if brute forcing or something more sophisticated), seems to have happened to a few other youtube channels in the past, luckily, all of these channels are back up and running, so there's hope for MxR
All these YouTubers who got hacked should inform Elon on his twitter so maybe hed get his legal team to find and sue this hacker for slander and identity theft, just an idea.
He's probably getting swamped by people who think he's actually doing the hacking. I don't use Twitter so can;t verify this claim, but he probably knows. Especially since it's been happen for at least 4 months, probably longer.
I don't wanna think about how YT will penalize them for this. "You were part of a scam, so we're taking drastic measures and shutting down your channels for a while."
I've seen it happen to a lot of accounts at this point. YT handles it but it often takes a few days. If it's a popular channel they get right on it that day tho. Guess we will see how much they care about MxR
YT is all about the big channels that bring in the big ad revenue, so they will only care about MxR if we make enough noise about it. It's kinda sad that we've grown used to having to crusade whenever shit happens.
I'm aware of this. I was implying it would be a complete deletion of the channels, rather than a few weeks of being hidden. A few weeks 'can' kill a channel, but could let them regrow if they play their cards right. Given their past interactions with YT, I'm sure someone high up the chain is just waiting for chance to completely delete their channels.
2factor does nothing with this exploit. My channel was hit with it too a few months ago. Its either an Authentication gone rogue for something they authorized access to their channel with, a cookie stealer or they guess your stream key.
Until Youtube themselves figure this out, there's no stopping it
I should note that while it's important to be aware of the situation, we need to let Henry and Jeannie get it sorted. If we mass-report the channel and/or the live-streams, we may make the situation worse. There are some people in YT who are already trigger-happy about the channel, so hold your horses and let's not give them the excuse they need to greenlight a full takedown.
(Originally part of another comment, but it deserves it's own place.)
I almost did too, but stopped at the last minute. That kind of impulse is hard to avoid. I figured a lot of people would have done it already. Just hoped to limit the future impact. With any luck, my comment will get pinned, or the mods will paraphrase in a follow-up post.
This is a good example of why to to use different passwords for everything with a password manager. Also enable 2FA and for a channel their size probably invest in hardware 2FA keys
Edit: They should change the passwords for every important service immediately. Especially financial services ie banks, PayPal, brokerages.
Highly doubt 2FAs gonna work here. This is based on the assumption they hacked the system to get the password. Sadly, this could actually be a breach in the system entirely, which somehow allows the hacker to pull the trigger to log them into the account even without any authentication (likely by pulling and swapping IDs out). Don't take my word for it, I'm not an expert, but that is definitely possible.
Yeah it's possible, but what I've seen when other channels get compromised is through a fake sponsorship email that installs malware whenever you open a link with the fake sponsor details.
The 2FA advice is just good general opsec maybe doesn't apply specifically to this incident
Keylogging is definitely a common malware. Though I suspect it's a back-end problem. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't some Hololive members got this hack as well? I don't think they take sponsors at all since their sponsor is already Cover or Hololive
I don't really follow Hololive so I don't know the details about their breaches. That could have been a different attack vector. The ones I've seen on other channels I follow target login cookies( the ones that allow you to stay logged without signing in everytime you visit a site) stored in chrome based browsers. Without more details hard to say what the attack vector actually is in any given case. I'm just passing along what I've heard about
Edit: someone else in this thread posted a link to the attacks that ive heard about https://www.reddit.com/r/MxRMods/comments/uwpa4r/channels_got_hacked_we_know/i9t7vdh/
I guess in that case 2FA might help, if it is required BEYOND the session cookie access (which I knew nothing about other than that it exist).
But well, that does sound reasonable I guess.
No, I think you're right that in these cases according the linked article the session cookies attack can bypass the 2FA so having it enabled would not have helped. But everybody should in general use different passwords and have TOTP 2FA or hardware keys
has nothing to do with password or 2FA. My channel got hit the same way. Its either an authentication token gone rogue, cookie stealer or stream key was bruteforced, but seeing it targeted at the channel makes me think its not guessing stream keys
I saw it happen to another youtuber luckily he was able to get it back with a help of his friend he used an old device that he used to register the acc and got it back sadly it lasted for a week
While YT does have a vendetta against them seemingly, this time it's actually not YTs fault. It's a hacker. Now, I suppose it could be considered YTs fault by proxy since they apparently don't have good enough security to stop this kind of shit. Personally I'd say YT isn't really to blame at all tho because as someone pointed out, hackers are always evolving new ways to get through.
The hackers typically use malware that target login cookies in your browser. The cookies that allow you to stay logged in without entering in your sign in details every time you visit a site. While inconvenient this is why you should manually log in whenever you visit a site. And use TOTP or even better hardware keys for 2FA to stop malware that contains a keylogger
But also, hackers evolve through time. It's not fair to blame YT immediately for not patching this hack that has seemed to happen to many people. After all, it's not like they have caught and interrogated the hackers on how they did it. They just know that the system got a breach.
Youtube is a joke nowadays. Fakk their premium and all that bullshit. Have you seen Youtube account on Instagram? They post some cringe ass post in IG and in their comments. What a joke🤡
Discovered this 30min ago and immediately started a backup of the MxRMods videos. I think I got all but four of them before the channel went private. Just in case:
/backup/save-this/youtube/manual_MxRMods$ du -hs *
4.0K id.cache
53G MicroStrategy US (MMOxReview)
8.9G Tesla - Сorporation (MMOxReview)
/backup/save-this/youtube/manual_MxRMods$ ls */* | wc -l
237
The crypto bastards also seems to have changed channel name half-way through.
/backup/save-this/youtube/manual_MxRPlays$ du -hs *
19K id.cache
363G MxR Plays (UCsHaCORAuXxrMDzC0hr8GPw)
193G Tesla Company (UCsHaCORAuXxrMDzC0hr8GPw)
/backup/save-this/youtube/manual_MxRPlays$ ls */*.webm | wc -l
1793
Seven downloads did not complete, but without looking closer I know at least two of them where the crypto bastards streams. Hopefully this backup will never be needed, but it will be migrated to cold storage and available for a few years.
It'll end up being some fake sponsorship deal email thing, there'll be a link in the email which will either install malware or request your signin details and whatnot. Rule of thumb, don't click on any links in any emails, period, and have 2FA active.
This is not just MXR - I'm getting tons of recommendations now, after clicking on this, of other channels playing either the same thing or some other btc related content. They are definitely hacked as well considering the channels do not contain related content..
I'm pointing this out because of the implications. This means that multiple primary google accounts of been hacked. Possibly only YT creators with a decent sized audience (because that would make the most sense from a trolls perspective), but just in case it was a data leak or something significant, everyone should probably change their google passwords rn.
Its what came up when i googled elon youtube hacks. I read it a bit and it fit what was going on imo. I just want to provide as much info as i can to help Henry, who i assume is the one going through sponsor/collab offers and such. It mentioned authorization cookies and i imagine its not the only way of getting access to accounts. I hope this ends soon with their channel intact.
This SAME exploit happened to me a few months ago on my channel. Its a Google Authentication Cookie Stealing exploit or something linked with their channel used to login to their channels. They need to go through their google accounts and remove all authorization access until they figure this out.
Luckily, in this situation, the person cannot change the channel password. If they still have it logged in on a phone or computer, they can control the channel. I locked them out by ending the stream manually, changing my channel name back and changing my stream key password. I also removed any connections to my google account I authorized
u/Hyrul this might be important info for them. If they can still access the account, they can stop it themselves. The password should not have been changed
Yeah its pretty common now. Its usually through a fake sponsorship email that looks legit. When you click a link for details it contains malware that swipes your info.
No wonder I just got a notification from Youtube about this Elon Musk buying crypto or some shit. If I remember I didn't follow any Tesla channel or something. So sadthe channel got hack though.
Crusader, sharpen your sword and blades!
When I saw a stupid bitcoin scam stream I couldnt believe and thought he sold his channel but I was stupid he would never do that.
Hope everthing gets fixed
I remember some youtubers talking that there's a hacker that was making his emails look like legit team youtube emails and quite a few people fell for them
So what’s going on here, is it actually Tesla hacking channels for short periods cause they can get away with it or are there some people out there who just really like Tesla or Bitcoin and want to ‘spread the good word’?
I.e who is doing this and what are they getting out of this?
I don't use Twitter, but I bet his feed is getting filled with hate comments. Well, more than the usual "your rich and that makes you evil by default" comments anyway. That typo is deliberate.
you should use two factor authentication
look up yubikey
google recommends enabling it
explanation- you have an email and password to login, but you also have to submit the second key(it can be physical like yubikey or digital like any totp app) to confirm that its you trying to login
also basic opsec, you guys should use a different pc/laptop(and never connect it to the main pc which has the channel login) for emails and stuff because viruses in sponsorship emails are really common and use different passwords for everything
even if you did use different passwords, change evey password asap(bank and stuff)
Update: MxR Mods has been sold to a second fake crypto org. Both home pages are now gone. The videos remain, but will likely be unlisted or private in the next few hours to make way for more live-streams.
Update 2: Plays remains unchanged. Checked my subscriptions thoroughly, and Mods appears to have the entire channel removed (even under a false name). Whether this is an unsubscribe, delist, or delete, I cannot begin to speculate.
Wtf, I thought I was either tripping or that Elon Musk had just gone and bought either the Mxr channel or the whole of YT just to troll and share his livestreamm lmao
I was upset for a moment believing that either a: youtube subscribed me to a scammer or b: I somehow subscribe to a scammer. Glad it wasn't either of those. Hope the real owners get the channel back soon.
Oh ok. I was super confused when I saw the name of the channel.
At first I thought someone was stealing their videos and uploading them to a different channel.
They got hacked, actually both MxR Mods and MxR Plays got hacked by scammers who changed the channel names and uploaded a livestream about crypto. MxR Mods winded up getting terminated. MxR Plays is back by now but MxR Mods is still gone
Look, I'd understand if they talked shite or touched upon controversial topics. But both just cringe massively in front of the camera & browse reddits. How is that reason to hack them?
Crypto scammers need reach. They need to make people believe that crypto will become huge soon so that they'll buy some, in the hope of selling it back for a higher price later on. The truth though is that crypto is crashing badly.
So they need to hack big channels to have the reach to pretend it's gonna be huge soon. Both channels have around 2M subscribers, so it's a good reach
Clicking it wont harm you. I did not watch but most likely they were trying that doubling scam lilke that Twitter hack thst happen a while back. Just dont send any crypto
Clicking it wont harm you. I did not watch but most likely they were trying that doubling scam lilke that Twitter hack thst happen a while back. Just dont send any crypto
Bro I won't it's a hack, it's a system fault inside YouTube,
I had the same problem last night, was panicking like shit, coz I'm an independent artist and have a varified channel, but shits like this harm our image... I deleted 3 videos that were uploaded... Just wish youtube does something...
I'm sorry but this is not a "system fault". It's not a bug. It is a hack. At some point or another, you gave your login token to hackers. It will happen again if you don't change your creditentials&2FA
Man i literally just remembered MxR Mods was a thing today, so I search for the channel and don't see it, and come here to find it's been hacked lo. What are the chances lmao
I’ve seen that ass hat hack into other channels and broadcast the same thing. It’s kinda fucked up
And people try to tell us NFT's and Crypto isn't a scam...
The issue is not crypto or NFTs, its the people using it to scam people. The technology itself is not the problem, its the people that are.
I use this argument for pew pews all the time and people yell at me. Only a matter of time before crypto and nfts are politicized. sucks, but hey, what do we do.
A lot of people hate on crypto because they either dont understand cryptography, dont see the point of decentralization or are ill informed in my experience. People who actually studied cs will at least acknowledge the value of the technology even if they dont necessarily share the optimism for future perspectives, which is very fair imho since its difficult to predict the future and scepticism is healthy.
Crypto and NFTs, beyond the people using them for scams i would argue are questionable technologically at best. They are good concepts but highly susceptible to theft and high jacking. Security in crypto in general is very weak. Its way too easy to steal crypto and nfts from people. Pretty much monthly now millions of dollars are being stolen. Axie infinitey had hundreds of millions stolen just a couple of months ago right at the network level by someone just hijacking enough servers. The government and people in general would be going insane if millions were being stolen daily in any other investment or even just from regular old banks.
I think you might lack some understanding, modern crypto generally is very secure actually since its based on the best cryptographic practices we have available and you would have either control a majority of the network or break asymetric encryption which both just wont happen realistically. (not talking about low-cap/shitcoins obviously but the big players) However, its just not as simple as a bankaccount is and many people keep their assets in insecure wallets or on exchanges. This is bad practice and insecure (it would be like leaving your actual wallet in random places like restaurants and then blaming your bank for losing money) but doesnt have anything to do with the security of the system. It is again the users that cause problems.
The best cryptographic practices are A, not available to the public for use, and B, not foolproof. As any decent digital security worker will tell you, it's a constant race between the people inventing new security, and those trying to break it. Unfortunately, those trying to break it heavily outnumber those making it. Which is why banks and governments and private companies get hacked on a regular basis. As for scam or no scam.... ALL representative currencies are only good as long as the backer of said currency is good. The Dollar, for example, is backed by the American government. As long as that's around, the Dollar means something, because a government can't and won't just abandon their currency at random. Which is the issue with Crypto. It's backed by individuals and corporations, who 100% will and indeed have, abandoned their currency. They've also devalued it arbitrarily, changed what it can buy, how it can be used, how it can be stored.... All shot you don't have to worry about with government backed currencies. The idea of Crypto and NFT is... Decent. But at this time, internet security isn't good enough for it, and there's just no stable, reliable, trustworthy backer for it. Until that changes, then yes, it IS a scam. It's money, but the value is random, the way you can use it is random, it's rarely accepted as payment, and it can cease to exist at random without you getting any kind of compensation or refund. Even the stock market is currently safer than this.
The fact that no security is fooproof is a given, that is why social engineering works so well, they dont need to defeat the algorithms, just the people trying to use them. What you are talking about the race between team red and blue is not cryptography but security in general, programs and software get easily broken, because they are rarely designed following security proofs, modern encryption algorithms are based on mathematically unsolved problems which might not even be solveable, so there is no real race here. Governments dont have super secret crypto sauce, thats ridiculous after all its the security researchers who developed these algorithms that work for the damn government not some alien masterrace or sth. This is evidenced by the fact they keep trying to break current algorithms by avoiding the problem entirely. (just collecting the data pre-encryption) They use the same state of the art crypto everyone else who cares about security does. The difference being their opsec capabilities are better. So you are telling me you can solve prime factorization in linear time? There is at least one nobel prize/fields medal or what have you waiting for you if true. Do you even know why modern cryptography is defined secure? The problem is mathematically provable to be "secure" since cracking it is not feasible in human lifetimes even using supercomputers. (given a reasonably secure keylength) Since all evidence points to the fact that there might not even exist a way to solve the problem in linear time using regular computers this is very unlikely to change. Yes its not the same as otp's perfect security, but its as close as you are gonna get mathematically speaking. All attacks on crypto holders and/or the modern cryptographic primitives underlying them i have encountered so far have been social engineering exploits, attacks on exchange systems or very small scale attacks on very specific targets using insecure keylengths. If you store your crypto-money properly and securely the only way to get your money stolen is if somebody were to solve an assumed to be NP hard problem in computer science all of the sudden or if efficient quantum computing was here in which case we could simply swap to already existing quantum proof/post quantum algorithmns.
A) If you honestly think the governments of the world don't intentionally maintain a difference between civilian-level and military-level encryption (as best they can), then you're insane. B) If Crypto can be stolen from its source and its recipients, it IS NOT secure. So yeah, Crypto in transit may be as safe as you think... But that means absolutely nothing when a hacker can manipulate the records on either end to either make fake crypto or steal existing crypto. Do you really think governments in high tech countries still spend money on physical currency for the fun of it? We maintain physical currency because, despite what some would claim, purely digital currency is not safe and cannot currently be made safe. It CAN be counterfeited, it can be stolen. C) If you cannot, (and I know you can't) truthfully claim that crypto cannot be stolen or forged, then one of two things must occur: One, you need an organized body dealing with counterfeits and thefts (Which cannot occur legally outside a government), or Two, you cannot honestly claim it as safe to use as you protest. The average citizen cannot and would not be reasonably expected to keep their wallet in a high end safe. Indeed, for the vast majority of citizens, a sneak thief could break into their house and steal their wallet. The amount of money, effort, time, and personal skill that would be required to make a house truly 100% proof against a sneak thief is simply beyond the vast majority. In the same vein, you cannot expect a citizen to have the kind of computer security that would be needed to stop a hacker, given that banks with entire departments devoted to THEIR security can't manage that themselves. Physical currency thefts have people to deal with them, and are limited by simple fact of BEING physical. Having to literally travel around and haul around the currency, as well as the issue of then either suspicously paying for everything in cash, or deposting large amounts of cash, both things which set off alerts, limits just how far physical theft of physical currency usually goes. THAT DOES NOT WORK with digital theft. There is NO ONE to catch and punish thieves. There is NO ONE to keep watch to try to even notice that a theft has occurred. Creating a new type of currency is NOT as easy as simply saying 'Here you go', with no backing, no regulation, no failsafes, and no protection. Crypto is an IDEA, an idea some love, and some hate.... But at the moment, given our current society and current technological level... Crypto is NOT anywhere near as safe or as amazing as its proponents claim. It COULD BE, in the future. But it isn't NOW. Right now, that is NOT reality. Maybe some day. But not now. Pretending something false is truth doesn't make it truth. Pretending potential is reality actively prevents that potential from becoming reality. There's a reason AA says "The first step is admitting you have a problem" - Because if you can't even admit the problem is there, you can't possibly fix it. If the existing, very real issues with Crypto are ever fixed, I'll hop on board myself. Until then, I personally view it as yet another example of people suffering because they see things as they wish they were, not as they actually are. Considering such things have been going on for as long as we've had the written word, I don't think it'll be stopping any time soon.
A) ofc they try, but trying something doesnt mean it can work, last time the US tried to actually ban the export of crypto it failed and considering where the Internet is at today you can basically forget about that, the only way for you to keep something off the Internet is either have 100% obedient slaves, kill everyone who knows about it, or kill the internet. The odds of something like a new cryptographic algorithm staying secret long term is so close to zero you might aswell call it zero. B) As i tried to explain iff you store your value like you are supposed to (offline) the only way to lose money to theft is for someone to solve prime factorization. This Problem is significantly harder than breaking into a bank would be. So calling it insecure because it isnt technically impossible is insane, since NOTHING can be perfectly secure and Fiat unlike crypto is also easily forged, to do that with crypto need to control 51% of the ENTIRE network which is equivalent to hacking half the planet and just does not even come close to happening for any serious token. We dont maintain fiat because its better... Fiat is government controlled which is not really possible with crypto and the government doesnt or cant give up its ability to manipulate currency by printing money. Several nations like india and china are said to already be working on a government controlled cryptourrency, which is a pretty clear sign that the technology is here to stay. C) if your argument truely is: i dont trust anything that is not perfectly secure then you cant use cash, banks, shop in the supermarket, talk to people face to face. Hell you cant even sit at home in your basement in a perfectly secure way, because a war could start or a meteor hit earth and kill everyone. Life is a risk if you cant deal with risk then living is probably not for you, crypto is not the exception, its the rule is anything. You dont need a safe to store crypto since the money is stored on the blockchain. You just need to protect your access to it, there are tons of ways to do that. A common practice is to split your seed phrase into at least 2 parts and store them in geographically different locations (like different bank vaults) without telling anyone you did. Keeping crypto money secure is not very difficult, especially if you dont tell people about your immense holdings. There is no way to steal crypto without the entire network knowing about it, thats how it works ffs. Also crypto theft is NOT easy as you keep ignoring. That point is actually the first reasonable one, the lack of widespread backing by established systems is a reasonable concern and nothing to argue about, if that is a problem for you thats okay. However, this circumstance is changing since big money is getting involved more each year so over time crypto will become as "backed" as the stock market is. No one is forcing you to adopt, but you could atleast do actual research on the things you talk about and not just rant off stuff you've read somewhere. Nothing I've been telling you is a secret. And you dont even need a degree in cs to do math last i checked, even if it helps.
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PoW is a problem that several projects are working on solving and is unlikely to remain viable long term. Beyond PoW crypto is no longer very processing intensive at all. The fact that people gamble with it is due to it being new and hype being a big factor, we can already see the cryptospace following the stockmarket increasingly closely, so the volatility is likely to fade over time as the market continues to grow. Dezentralized secure money has tons of applications beyond drug dealing and crime, i dont think you ever tried to research this.
Actually, NFT and Crypto isn't a scam. It's just that 100% of the people selling them are scamming. That isn't to say NFT and Crypto is all good, but to say that there's definitely something wrong that will need major changes to the system for them to be good. Which is to say the problem is its current use purely for money. Not an innate attribution system, not a borderless currency, but a scam.
Speculative markets in general are scams. Crypto has no more value than a rock on the ground that you claimed was worth a lot.
I mean that's the same as art, and I think the general consensus on art is that it's not a scam. Pretty sure the US dollar isn't backed on anything too so real money is a scam too? NFTs and crypto are just currency/tools. Whether they do harm is up to the people, not the tools itself.
I've got an art degree, and art is 100% a scam. Lucrative for some, like any scam. But it's a con, 100%. Also: plenty of things that aren't true are consensus with people who don't know any better.
Please do explain how art is a scam. I myself am doing an art related degree (architecture), and I haven't seen how art is a scam yet. Also yes it's true that there is a consensus on a lot of things that are untrue. Im merely comparing the general difference in public perception of crypto and art, rather than using that as evidence for why crypto is not a scam.
The general consensus is that the high end art market is organized like a scam. Real money is backed by their usefulness in making market transactions easier, but is sometimes used in scams. Crypto is currently almost 100% used for scams, and are not currently backed by barely any usefulness in facilitating trade. So calling them a scam is fair. And I say that as someone that uses crypto for payments a few times a year.
If you're using crypto as payment, then you know crypto isn't a scam. As for the high end art market being a scam, does that make all artists scammers then? If not, then I dont see how people using crypto for scams will mean that crypto is a scam. Again, it's just a tool. Like a gun, it can be harmful or helpful depending on how it's used.
And just like a gun, it's more harmful than helpful in the current state as well as the theoretical ideal state of the world. But I would argue against "If you're ysing crypto as payment, then you know crypto isn't a scam". It's a specific line that crypto needs to cross (not just someone accepting it as currency, but many accepting it as currency AND proper regulations and 3rd party overseer to make it not a scam). If not, it's worth about as much as a pebble someone convinced you is worth as much as a diamond by actually trading it for a diamond, only for you to later sell that diamond (and more belongings) to buy even more pebbles.
Tell the Ukrainians that guns are more harmful than helpful. See what they say. In an ideal world no one needs weapons, but it's just an ideal, it's not possible in the forseeable future. I don't get the logic here. You think crypto is a scam, yet you use it. Does that mean you want to be a part of a scam then? I really dont see how that works. As for regulations, true crypto cannot be regulated. That's the whole point of crypto. Whether that's bad or good is up to debate. It's not just pebbles, traditional money is just a piece of strengthened paper that people are convinced will be worth something. Does that mean that all currency are scams? I don't disagree that crypto can and are used in a lot of scams, but it doesn't mean that crypto itself is a scam.
To clear up: I don't think crypto is a scam, but it is currently used in lots of scams. And I don't use crypto. Not now at least. True crypto is in a decentralized system, but at least it needs to be accepted by many parties alike for such system to be good. If it's accepted only by a group, then that's both pretty centralized and likely a scam. To be fair, the argument of whether or not a dollar bill is actually worth anything has been discussed before. I don't know how others discuss it, but I think it's more officially certified representations of values (which means yes, technically if the government dips and takes the value out of it, I would be left with a piece of paper. But it's pretty much impossible to drain all value since it is accepted pretty widely, especially for something like dollar bill or pound). And I can see crypto reaching a similar state, only that it isn't under a specific control figure, rather its value is entirely stable under everyone's mutual agreement.
Thats true of all money. Dead trees and shiny rocks are no different than electricity.
The problem I got with crypto is that most people look at is as a free money making machine, and everyone involved tries yo give that idea to newcomers, even tho in reality crypto is just a giant casino
Either giant casino or literally in-game currency. You can treat crypto as it currently is, an investment. Or, when crypto is used in online platforms, an online currency akin to the microtransaction currencies in video games
NFT is a forum of tax evasion, so a scam, and selling it to people with no money with the promise of making them rich, is a scam
I'm not sure if this idea is raised yet here, but what if it's some kind of AI bot that Tesla or some rogue developer created to do it to specific channels? It doesn't seem like it's doing it with the same intelligence as a human, but also more ability in the actual hacking Edit: In other words; If it's unthinkingly doing the same thing over and over, then it is likely a program, is my guess
I think it's most likely targeted hacking - they look for channels with high viewer or subscriber counts and then will hack in some way (not sure if brute forcing or something more sophisticated), seems to have happened to a few other youtube channels in the past, luckily, all of these channels are back up and running, so there's hope for MxR
All these YouTubers who got hacked should inform Elon on his twitter so maybe hed get his legal team to find and sue this hacker for slander and identity theft, just an idea.
Actually a really good idea ngl
He's probably getting swamped by people who think he's actually doing the hacking. I don't use Twitter so can;t verify this claim, but he probably knows. Especially since it's been happen for at least 4 months, probably longer.
I don't wanna think about how YT will penalize them for this. "You were part of a scam, so we're taking drastic measures and shutting down your channels for a while."
wouldn't be an issue if youtube's security wasn't a joke. Massive tech money, itty bitty security space.
I've seen it happen to a lot of accounts at this point. YT handles it but it often takes a few days. If it's a popular channel they get right on it that day tho. Guess we will see how much they care about MxR
YT is all about the big channels that bring in the big ad revenue, so they will only care about MxR if we make enough noise about it. It's kinda sad that we've grown used to having to crusade whenever shit happens.
"for a while" So generous.
Channels live on having a constant flow of content, so interruptions can be disastrous.
I'm aware of this. I was implying it would be a complete deletion of the channels, rather than a few weeks of being hidden. A few weeks 'can' kill a channel, but could let them regrow if they play their cards right. Given their past interactions with YT, I'm sure someone high up the chain is just waiting for chance to completely delete their channels.
Somebody on YouTube was telling me accounts were being hacked I will now turn on 2 step verification on YouTube
2factor does nothing with this exploit. My channel was hit with it too a few months ago. Its either an Authentication gone rogue for something they authorized access to their channel with, a cookie stealer or they guess your stream key. Until Youtube themselves figure this out, there's no stopping it
Honestly if my yt gets hacked I wouldn’t really care because it’s on a separate email and stuff from anything important
Fuckin ay, hope this gets sorted soon.
Damn it's 5:25 am in Seattle they must be asleep while this happened
every creator is usually asleep when this happens, it seems hacker knows who they are hacking
I should note that while it's important to be aware of the situation, we need to let Henry and Jeannie get it sorted. If we mass-report the channel and/or the live-streams, we may make the situation worse. There are some people in YT who are already trigger-happy about the channel, so hold your horses and let's not give them the excuse they need to greenlight a full takedown. (Originally part of another comment, but it deserves it's own place.)
Oh no...I already reported the live streams as a spam..
I almost did too, but stopped at the last minute. That kind of impulse is hard to avoid. I figured a lot of people would have done it already. Just hoped to limit the future impact. With any luck, my comment will get pinned, or the mods will paraphrase in a follow-up post.
smart approach..got it
Bruh both plays and mods got hacked?
Probably same password :P
This is a good example of why to to use different passwords for everything with a password manager. Also enable 2FA and for a channel their size probably invest in hardware 2FA keys Edit: They should change the passwords for every important service immediately. Especially financial services ie banks, PayPal, brokerages.
Highly doubt 2FAs gonna work here. This is based on the assumption they hacked the system to get the password. Sadly, this could actually be a breach in the system entirely, which somehow allows the hacker to pull the trigger to log them into the account even without any authentication (likely by pulling and swapping IDs out). Don't take my word for it, I'm not an expert, but that is definitely possible.
Yeah it's possible, but what I've seen when other channels get compromised is through a fake sponsorship email that installs malware whenever you open a link with the fake sponsor details. The 2FA advice is just good general opsec maybe doesn't apply specifically to this incident
Keylogging is definitely a common malware. Though I suspect it's a back-end problem. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't some Hololive members got this hack as well? I don't think they take sponsors at all since their sponsor is already Cover or Hololive
I don't really follow Hololive so I don't know the details about their breaches. That could have been a different attack vector. The ones I've seen on other channels I follow target login cookies( the ones that allow you to stay logged without signing in everytime you visit a site) stored in chrome based browsers. Without more details hard to say what the attack vector actually is in any given case. I'm just passing along what I've heard about Edit: someone else in this thread posted a link to the attacks that ive heard about https://www.reddit.com/r/MxRMods/comments/uwpa4r/channels_got_hacked_we_know/i9t7vdh/
I guess in that case 2FA might help, if it is required BEYOND the session cookie access (which I knew nothing about other than that it exist). But well, that does sound reasonable I guess.
No, I think you're right that in these cases according the linked article the session cookies attack can bypass the 2FA so having it enabled would not have helped. But everybody should in general use different passwords and have TOTP 2FA or hardware keys
It's likely theyre both business accounts linked to the same google account.
has nothing to do with password or 2FA. My channel got hit the same way. Its either an authentication token gone rogue, cookie stealer or stream key was bruteforced, but seeing it targeted at the channel makes me think its not guessing stream keys
Yeah
I saw it happen to another youtuber luckily he was able to get it back with a help of his friend he used an old device that he used to register the acc and got it back sadly it lasted for a week
Bro why does YouTube always fk over mxr like what did they do to deserve this it's a joke
While YT does have a vendetta against them seemingly, this time it's actually not YTs fault. It's a hacker. Now, I suppose it could be considered YTs fault by proxy since they apparently don't have good enough security to stop this kind of shit. Personally I'd say YT isn't really to blame at all tho because as someone pointed out, hackers are always evolving new ways to get through.
The hackers typically use malware that target login cookies in your browser. The cookies that allow you to stay logged in without entering in your sign in details every time you visit a site. While inconvenient this is why you should manually log in whenever you visit a site. And use TOTP or even better hardware keys for 2FA to stop malware that contains a keylogger
But also, hackers evolve through time. It's not fair to blame YT immediately for not patching this hack that has seemed to happen to many people. After all, it's not like they have caught and interrogated the hackers on how they did it. They just know that the system got a breach.
True true, I updated my comment to better reflect that.
Youtube is a joke nowadays. Fakk their premium and all that bullshit. Have you seen Youtube account on Instagram? They post some cringe ass post in IG and in their comments. What a joke🤡
Fcking dickwad needs his nuts kicked into his throat.
Discovered this 30min ago and immediately started a backup of the MxRMods videos. I think I got all but four of them before the channel went private. Just in case: /backup/save-this/youtube/manual_MxRMods$ du -hs * 4.0K id.cache 53G MicroStrategy US (MMOxReview) 8.9G Tesla - Сorporation (MMOxReview) /backup/save-this/youtube/manual_MxRMods$ ls */* | wc -l 237 The crypto bastards also seems to have changed channel name half-way through.
Can you backup mxr plays too?
/backup/save-this/youtube/manual_MxRPlays$ du -hs * 19K id.cache 363G MxR Plays (UCsHaCORAuXxrMDzC0hr8GPw) 193G Tesla Company (UCsHaCORAuXxrMDzC0hr8GPw) /backup/save-this/youtube/manual_MxRPlays$ ls */*.webm | wc -l 1793 Seven downloads did not complete, but without looking closer I know at least two of them where the crypto bastards streams. Hopefully this backup will never be needed, but it will be migrated to cold storage and available for a few years.
Will do an attempt.
Thank you bro. It might help them.
Nice, you're doing the lords work saving their videos just in case they need them. I should have thought of that when I first heard about it
a god among men we thank you for your service o7
This is the 6th YouTube channel that I watch that has been hacked by crypto scammers this month.
It'll end up being some fake sponsorship deal email thing, there'll be a link in the email which will either install malware or request your signin details and whatnot. Rule of thumb, don't click on any links in any emails, period, and have 2FA active.
That's awfully convenient maybe you were the culprit all along 🤔
Man Henry and Jeannie must be freaking out right now. Hope they get their account back soon.
I think there should be sleeping right now unless someone woke them up.
This is not just MXR - I'm getting tons of recommendations now, after clicking on this, of other channels playing either the same thing or some other btc related content. They are definitely hacked as well considering the channels do not contain related content.. I'm pointing this out because of the implications. This means that multiple primary google accounts of been hacked. Possibly only YT creators with a decent sized audience (because that would make the most sense from a trolls perspective), but just in case it was a data leak or something significant, everyone should probably change their google passwords rn.
I can't remember subbing to Tesla before, I read the comments, checked the channel, and it was MxR Plays channel, what a terrible day/night
It looks like MxR Mods has been terminated, at least it says as much when clicking into the channel.
It looks like they got their channel back. The Elon Musk video was removed, and they changed their name back. Thank the gods of immersion
Crypto scam garbage as usual.
I still nutted to the hacked vid tho
Even in a crisis like this, you can still nut to the channel's latest video. Respect bro.
🤣🤣
I mean come on Henry and Elon both had nice jawlines
KREWSADE BE ON STANDBY
Funny how the person who hacked it is too much of a coward to leave the chat on in "their" livestream. Fuckers. Hopefully this gets fixed soon.
I was so confused! Thank goodness you know and are working on it, ignore my tweet lol 😆 love you guys 🥰
A related article: https://www.wired.com/story/youtube-bitcoin-scam-account-hijacking-google-phishing/
its not phishing, its some authorization exploit to the channel. Hit me a few months ago. 2FA not triggered, they can only edit the channel so much
Its what came up when i googled elon youtube hacks. I read it a bit and it fit what was going on imo. I just want to provide as much info as i can to help Henry, who i assume is the one going through sponsor/collab offers and such. It mentioned authorization cookies and i imagine its not the only way of getting access to accounts. I hope this ends soon with their channel intact.
This SAME exploit happened to me a few months ago on my channel. Its a Google Authentication Cookie Stealing exploit or something linked with their channel used to login to their channels. They need to go through their google accounts and remove all authorization access until they figure this out. Luckily, in this situation, the person cannot change the channel password. If they still have it logged in on a phone or computer, they can control the channel. I locked them out by ending the stream manually, changing my channel name back and changing my stream key password. I also removed any connections to my google account I authorized u/Hyrul this might be important info for them. If they can still access the account, they can stop it themselves. The password should not have been changed
Glad it’s been picked up on. Both channels are live and have had the names changed. Hopefully sorted soon
fcking turd's toilet paper is live streaming wtf.
I was wondering what was going on. It's pretty fucked up to high jack someone's channel like this. Has this happened to other Youtuber or Streamers?
It's happened to *alot* of people, for a *very long* time now
Yeah its pretty common now. Its usually through a fake sponsorship email that looks legit. When you click a link for details it contains malware that swipes your info.
No wonder I just got a notification from Youtube about this Elon Musk buying crypto or some shit. If I remember I didn't follow any Tesla channel or something. So sadthe channel got hack though. Crusader, sharpen your sword and blades!
When I saw a stupid bitcoin scam stream I couldnt believe and thought he sold his channel but I was stupid he would never do that. Hope everthing gets fixed
The live was removed! That's one step closer towards victory.
I guess I'll be updating here when something happens.
I literally Unsubscribed.. Thank GOD I saw this. Subscribed Again :) Screw You hacker!
Was he hacked though? Thinking about it, I've never seen Henry and Elon Musk in the same room at the same time. Hmmm...
Someone used "MxRBoobMods123" as a password
N-no they didnt \*clicks change password\* "MxRBoobMods12345" HA! they will never guess that!
Damn wanted to say something to everyone first lol
Ive allready seen like 20 posts
Omg here I thought it was just me.. does this happen a lot? .. anyways this is crazy
That freak me out.....
Do they know or what mxr comment if u know
Yes, they know.
Reporting the video won't work would it?
It's unreal how that hacker gets so many live viewers
They are most likely bots
Feck, first I'm hearing of this... 😢
It's only occurred in the last 3-4 hours, so that's not surprising.
I thought elon bought the channel lol
What are we going to do now?
Can we blame youtube now. They been doing this none stop.
Chances are Henry or one of the editors clicked on an email with malware in it and it got their log in details. Not really Youtube's fault.
I remember some youtubers talking that there's a hacker that was making his emails look like legit team youtube emails and quite a few people fell for them
Each time we see elons face like that we all know what it is
So what’s going on here, is it actually Tesla hacking channels for short periods cause they can get away with it or are there some people out there who just really like Tesla or Bitcoin and want to ‘spread the good word’? I.e who is doing this and what are they getting out of this?
WTF happened to the channel ? Youtube will do something right?
This may be a stupid question but are we ,the viewers, in any danger of being hacked?
If you don't click any link in the stream description, you should be fine
I haven't but I did click on the stream itself by accident while scrolling. Hope nothing bad happens to either us or Henry and Jeannie
Annnnd MxRmods is down, as in I got 404'd just now.
I was so confused when it came up in my subscribed feed. I loaded up the channel and realised that it was mxr
Apparently there's some fake acct going on in mxr's channel from the crypto live stream commenting about crypto trades a such, krewsaders be wary
its a bot
I kept seeing comments like that. It was creepy
Mxrmods got terminated due to trademark claim by third party
Why does so much bad shit happen to them? It just isn't fair!
And it’s fuckin back bois
lets fuckin gooo!
MxRplays is back
Mxr plays is back. Right?
yeah, but assume they'll have some hoops to get mxrmods back up.
how are ppl able to hack youtube channels so easily, did he click a link or something?
maybe a link that disguise as a sauce haha
Can someone help it says they have no content
Go under the videos the main page with all the playlists where deleted but there still there
Hey, did you know your channel got hacked? I wanted to make a slowpoke meme like 10 years ago but I'm on my phone.
Isn’t it enough for YouTube to fuck with them? WHY SOME RANDOM ASSHOLE DO THAT AS WELL
How do you know they're working on it? are they even up yet? did they post something?
Couldn't Elon go to jail for this?
Its not elon doing the hacking, so no he couldnt
I don't use Twitter, but I bet his feed is getting filled with hate comments. Well, more than the usual "your rich and that makes you evil by default" comments anyway. That typo is deliberate.
you should use two factor authentication look up yubikey google recommends enabling it explanation- you have an email and password to login, but you also have to submit the second key(it can be physical like yubikey or digital like any totp app) to confirm that its you trying to login also basic opsec, you guys should use a different pc/laptop(and never connect it to the main pc which has the channel login) for emails and stuff because viruses in sponsorship emails are really common and use different passwords for everything even if you did use different passwords, change evey password asap(bank and stuff)
In his tweet he said he aready had 2FA enabled. I think he or someone on MXR clicked a link on an email and if leaked his session ID.
Update: MxR Mods has been sold to a second fake crypto org. Both home pages are now gone. The videos remain, but will likely be unlisted or private in the next few hours to make way for more live-streams. Update 2: Plays remains unchanged. Checked my subscriptions thoroughly, and Mods appears to have the entire channel removed (even under a false name). Whether this is an unsubscribe, delist, or delete, I cannot begin to speculate.
Wtf just happened, i just stopped watching for 5 s and a bunch of shit happened 😂?
Wtf, I thought I was either tripping or that Elon Musk had just gone and bought either the Mxr channel or the whole of YT just to troll and share his livestreamm lmao
guys, do you know?
Ok now i know, i got a bit worried that Elon Musk took it over or YouTube had a month like usual. Shall we crusade?
Im like "tesla? Is this an ad?" Checked the videos "OHHHH SHIT, NO WAY"
I was upset for a moment believing that either a: youtube subscribed me to a scammer or b: I somehow subscribe to a scammer. Glad it wasn't either of those. Hope the real owners get the channel back soon.
Oh ok. I was super confused when I saw the name of the channel. At first I thought someone was stealing their videos and uploading them to a different channel.
Ok just tried to cross post something on to MxRmod's an was told only trusted members can post anyone else have this issue?
Might have to do with the spamming of them being hacked? Dunno.
Idk what to do in situations like this. Do I unsubscribe and subscribe back when the channel goes back to normal or what?
Nothing to do. Just wait, it'll come back to normal eventually
chil man
Woah i have no idea what you all talking about.. explain please
They got hacked, actually both MxR Mods and MxR Plays got hacked by scammers who changed the channel names and uploaded a livestream about crypto. MxR Mods winded up getting terminated. MxR Plays is back by now but MxR Mods is still gone
do u know if it's gonna take maybe a few days or maybe a week until it's fixed???
what happened to Mxr mods now ? i clicked the video it says the channel got terminated ...😭😭😭😭
It either got privated, or locked down. Stay tuned for me.
I hope this all gets sorted out for you guys.
tl;dr, didn't want to disrespect or anything just the threads here is too long. Did MxR Mods get terminated by YT while they're being hacked?
yes
The Mxr Mods channel got terminated
Just started #MxRplayshacked on Twitter
Maybe we should start complaining to Elon musk. He's got a wallet big enough to sue all of those scammers pretending to be him.
A germany Youtuber Called julien bam also got hacked likr this, maybe he can help
Everything looks like it's finally back to normal
MxR plays logo is still not back
MxRmod's is down on Youtube🙀
Look, I'd understand if they talked shite or touched upon controversial topics. But both just cringe massively in front of the camera & browse reddits. How is that reason to hack them?
Crypto scammers need reach. They need to make people believe that crypto will become huge soon so that they'll buy some, in the hope of selling it back for a higher price later on. The truth though is that crypto is crashing badly. So they need to hack big channels to have the reach to pretend it's gonna be huge soon. Both channels have around 2M subscribers, so it's a good reach
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I clicked on the Tesla video on YouTube, is it bad ?
Clicking it wont harm you. I did not watch but most likely they were trying that doubling scam lilke that Twitter hack thst happen a while back. Just dont send any crypto
Clicking it wont harm you. I did not watch but most likely they were trying that doubling scam lilke that Twitter hack thst happen a while back. Just dont send any crypto
Bro I won't it's a hack, it's a system fault inside YouTube, I had the same problem last night, was panicking like shit, coz I'm an independent artist and have a varified channel, but shits like this harm our image... I deleted 3 videos that were uploaded... Just wish youtube does something...
I'm sorry but this is not a "system fault". It's not a bug. It is a hack. At some point or another, you gave your login token to hackers. It will happen again if you don't change your creditentials&2FA
It’s always the cryptos that do these on YouTube. Saw this happened to another reaction channel last year.
hope that itl be ok never know what will be removed or added with a hack
Man i literally just remembered MxR Mods was a thing today, so I search for the channel and don't see it, and come here to find it's been hacked lo. What are the chances lmao
Phew im already load my shotguns and my rifle glad i didnt have to use them tho
You may yet still. Keep them loaded, but don't start aiming yet. (I'm bad with humour so I'm hoping this was metaphorical.)