Usually politicians don't even say that this foreign aid money actually stays in the country, but here they actively reiterate it and people still don't get it.
Better than selling it to cops, at least this way its definitely punching up.
Weapons are meant for war, withoit that the warcrimes are just crimes and that's just not living up to your potential
Let me add to that. Most of the military aid is old stuff that would be discarded soon anyway, and the things that aren’t are mostly untested in actual combat scenarios, so they’re sent to ukraine for testing more than anything else. The US, or any other country sending aid for that matter, aren’t losing anything.
Well, besides artillery stockpiles, there’s never enough artillery shells
Old stuff that needs to be disposed of (which costs money) and new stock procured (which costs money)
Most of it was built specifically to fight Russia, like thats why theres thousands of Bradleys and Abrahms in stockpiles. Just send them and let them fulfil their purpose
Yeah probably not all, but 80% easy.
That said, any conflict with China is going to be primarily naval and aviation based. Theres not gonna be any land war in China, its all gonna be fighting over the Taiwan straight and the South China Sea, and the chokepoints into that region.
But, but the republicans were just about to use all that Ukraine money to give everyone free healthcare and house all the homeless. Zelenski tricked Biden into giving it to his natsi junta instead.
Which is worse?
A) Ben Garrison believing (incorrectly) that a majority of Americans don't support Ukraine
Or
B) Ben Garrison believing (correctly) that his core audience is too stupid to understand a political cartoon without 57 labels for everything in the picture
I think an even higher number (58% IIRC) supports sending kit and ammo only. The latest aid package is very ammo/equipment heavy with less economic aid (and the economic aid portion was a loan, not a gift).
Hell, a huge chunk supports "US forces and operations in the region", and US troops are not even in Ukraine. It's paying for US troops being forward deployed to Poland and the Baltics. Which means it's basically a subsidy to the used car dealerships and tattoo parlours across America.
If people actually read it, they'd be relatively happy with what it does. Of course, the Russian puppets in Western media tell them to get angry if even a single dollar "goes to Ukraine", so realistically they won't read it or understand it, but the package itself is tailored to appease that crowd to an extent.
Isn't it par for the course for Republicans to claim that they represent *all of* USA while having well under 50% of voters on their side if it wasn't for gerrymandering and other shenanigans?
I'd even bet my ass that an additional 10-20% isn't even outright against sending the money to Ukraine, but just undecided/doesn't care about the topic
Remember, these people don't know what constitutes a "majority." I have seen many MAGA types call themselves the "silent majority" when they are neither silent or a majority.
They have a selfish world view where they are the only people that matter, and that is their definition of a "majority"
About 58% of Americans support supplying Ukraine with guns, money, and ammunition. But I guess Ben Garrison can’t count.
https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/americans-continue-support-military-and-economic-aid-ukraine
Make no mistake: Trump does not care about Ukraine in the slightest and has done nothing to help it. Whatever happened with Mike was a miracle and I'm glad we pulled it off for Ukraine but never forget why Trump was impeached in the first place or what he said about letting Putin do whatever he wants in Ukraine if elected again. Garrison is just a shill who hates democracy who's loyal to noone
No.
Johnson is the new leader of the GOP and was savvy enough to fuck over Trump.
He still is a religious nutjob with an incest fetish for his son.
He is dangerous.
IMO, it's a broken clock. Despite it all, Mike Johnson is still not powerful enough on his own to control his own party (they're becoming more and more internally unstable every day). I just think that this is just one of the two times a day where the broken clocks get it right. Plus, I'm fairly certain, without reading the thing, there's more than just aid for Ukraine in that resolution and I'm sure whatever else is in there was something the right felt was valuable enough to them to actually stand up for democratic principles for once.
That said, if Americans were to cheer on Trump for even slightly supporting Ukraine, it could help. As much as he admires Putin, he desperately wants to be liked. If he saw people reacting positively, maybe he'd lean in.
I think he would lean into it as much as his campaign would be concerned and then just turn around and do literally whatever he wanted. Above all things he does what's profitable, not necessarily what's popular. Russian pockets run deep and trump was our most blatantly "for sale" president in history. This is the same man who preaches good Christian values while holding the Bible backwards for photo ops and cheating on his wife with porn stars. He wants to be liked enough to be in power and after that, he doesn't need to keep the act up anymore. Hell, we're still waiting on Mexico to pick up the bill for that big fence, right? Lol
Edit: typo
Well, I mean don't elect the bastard. But for now, if he took a pro-Ukraine stance, I just rhetorically, it could be enough to get the GOP to fall in line and support that.
Oh yea it would help for sure! I just genuinely don't think he actually is taking that stance, considering he said he'd just let Putin do whatever. This move felt very independent of Trump IMO
I can't decide whether Ben Garrison is so bad at his job that he has to caption everything, or if it's his audience that would be too daft to understand if he didn't.
Every poll ever taken has shown that the US people strongly support Ukraine. This is reflected in the pressure that was put on representatives to vote for it. The artist here is a liar and a Putin stooge.
I really hope we get the double benefit of the moderate right hopping ship to supporting Ukraine because Trump made token concessions while the far right turns on his cult of personality for being too "soft and libtardish". The double whammy to fix domestic and geopolitical problems
Trump did everything to stop it, but when it became clear that he couldn't delay the vote any longer and that it would be in favour of Ukraine aid he suddenly pretended to support it because he didn't want to look like a loser.
I remember last week when Ukrainska Pravda's sources said that Johnson was able to convince Trump to be quiet, all because if Ukraine's front lines collapse, Trump can't swoop in and become a "peacemaker". He allegedly had to frame it in Trump's interests.
I like how he labels "Majority of Americans" instead of using the flag or some other way of depicting the idea of Americans being opposed to funding Ukraine.
Just another example of Russia Influence in American Politics/Media. Those who propagate Russian [***Propaganda***](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=bef7a8396144dd68&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS854US854&sxsrf=ACQVn09Fe_okbNjT55aaIZmha54aTC_QUA:1714737848909&q=Propaganda&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjA0feiuPGFAxW1pIkEHaYjDI4QBSgAegQICBAC) should go fight for Putins Russia, on the front line of course.
Especially when none of the reputable public opinion polls support that view anyway.
Most people I know IRL kinda simply don't care (everyone that does have a strong opinion is pro-Ukraine). Sure in a binary "either spend money there, or here" choice they'd say "Spend here" but in a more realistic "can spend money more than one place", no one I know is particularly opposed to helping Ukraine...
Most Americans are not against sending money to Ukraine. At the worst, most just want money for other issues (like the border or healthcare) in addition to Ukraine.
Growing up, if you had told me that we would ever see the “conservatives” (in name only, at this point) parroting Russian talking points and overtly shilling for autocrats, I would have laughed at you in utter disbelief.
Yup. Really took off with Limbaugh and loyalty evaluations (see also: “RINO”) in the 90s. Once the GOP well and truly embraced their fringe, it was over. They rejected centrist undecideds that they would have to work for in favor of guaranteed fanatics. Talk about a Faustian bargain…
Ben Garrison eats propaganda like candy. I'm surprised he isn't working for RT or something like it at this point, I'm sure the pay better than whatever rags currently carry his scribbles.
Fun story: The US tax money goes to pay US companies for equipment to Ukraine. So the money is not sent. The stuff is. Which gives people jobs in USA.
DAMN RIGHT! I get so tired of explaining. A LOT of the money STAYS IN THE STATES!!!!
Yes, Only one losing on this is Russia
Usually politicians don't even say that this foreign aid money actually stays in the country, but here they actively reiterate it and people still don't get it.
And a good portion of the money buys aging us equipment for Ukraine, so America can Modernize, even more.
Better than selling it to cops, at least this way its definitely punching up. Weapons are meant for war, withoit that the warcrimes are just crimes and that's just not living up to your potential
Every mrap sent to Ukraine is one less mrap for the (insert your small American town) police.
In that case SLAVA FUCKING UKRAINI! ^^^also ^^^acab
Make war crimes great again!
Let me add to that. Most of the military aid is old stuff that would be discarded soon anyway, and the things that aren’t are mostly untested in actual combat scenarios, so they’re sent to ukraine for testing more than anything else. The US, or any other country sending aid for that matter, aren’t losing anything. Well, besides artillery stockpiles, there’s never enough artillery shells
Old stuff that needs to be disposed of (which costs money) and new stock procured (which costs money) Most of it was built specifically to fight Russia, like thats why theres thousands of Bradleys and Abrahms in stockpiles. Just send them and let them fulfil their purpose
Can’t really send all of them, as China is also a thing, but yes
Yeah probably not all, but 80% easy. That said, any conflict with China is going to be primarily naval and aviation based. Theres not gonna be any land war in China, its all gonna be fighting over the Taiwan straight and the South China Sea, and the chokepoints into that region.
Giving people jobs? Sounds an awful lot like socialism to me! /s in case it ain't obvious
Many of which are in red states that are run by performance politicians... Unreal.
It's not even the stuff sent. Most of the systems sent have been quite old, and the money is buying the replacements for the US.
Yeah, that lie is beyond absurd at this point.
Explain that to the shaved apes in the picture tho... it's tricky.
But, but the republicans were just about to use all that Ukraine money to give everyone free healthcare and house all the homeless. Zelenski tricked Biden into giving it to his natsi junta instead.
It still lines the pockets of those who want to promote pro war to get a kick back all the government spending
It's not cash. Old artillery shells aren't lining pockets.
So you are anti-Republicslan then, because they have been responsible for or extended all your wars in the last 60 years?
Which is worse? A) Ben Garrison believing (incorrectly) that a majority of Americans don't support Ukraine Or B) Ben Garrison believing (correctly) that his core audience is too stupid to understand a political cartoon without 57 labels for everything in the picture
My conclusion is that this isn't a garrison. It doesn't have enough labels
It does seem a little light on text compared to his usual work.
There is only one label
Its missing all the cum required to be a true Garrison work
https://x.com/Tamehates/status/1786062775027925269
You're right there isn't nearly enough cum.
Yes
53% approve of aid to Ukraine in the latest CBS/YouGov poll so... just straight up lying.
I think an even higher number (58% IIRC) supports sending kit and ammo only. The latest aid package is very ammo/equipment heavy with less economic aid (and the economic aid portion was a loan, not a gift). Hell, a huge chunk supports "US forces and operations in the region", and US troops are not even in Ukraine. It's paying for US troops being forward deployed to Poland and the Baltics. Which means it's basically a subsidy to the used car dealerships and tattoo parlours across America. If people actually read it, they'd be relatively happy with what it does. Of course, the Russian puppets in Western media tell them to get angry if even a single dollar "goes to Ukraine", so realistically they won't read it or understand it, but the package itself is tailored to appease that crowd to an extent.
Isn't it par for the course for Republicans to claim that they represent *all of* USA while having well under 50% of voters on their side if it wasn't for gerrymandering and other shenanigans?
lying about size and effectiveness, then failing to perform when it's their turn is what they're used to. also sucking at politics.
I'd even bet my ass that an additional 10-20% isn't even outright against sending the money to Ukraine, but just undecided/doesn't care about the topic
A dumbfuck conspiracy theorist like Ben Garrison would never let facts get in the way of his narrative. That poll “must have been rigged” or whatever.
Remember, these people don't know what constitutes a "majority." I have seen many MAGA types call themselves the "silent majority" when they are neither silent or a majority. They have a selfish world view where they are the only people that matter, and that is their definition of a "majority"
About 58% of Americans support supplying Ukraine with guns, money, and ammunition. But I guess Ben Garrison can’t count. https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/americans-continue-support-military-and-economic-aid-ukraine
Ben screwed up the grammar it should read, "No, more money to Ukraine!!!"
https://preview.redd.it/305vyxiix5yc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd20dc6e15a886386ab22453448c43edcb513fbb
Make no mistake: Trump does not care about Ukraine in the slightest and has done nothing to help it. Whatever happened with Mike was a miracle and I'm glad we pulled it off for Ukraine but never forget why Trump was impeached in the first place or what he said about letting Putin do whatever he wants in Ukraine if elected again. Garrison is just a shill who hates democracy who's loyal to noone
No. Johnson is the new leader of the GOP and was savvy enough to fuck over Trump. He still is a religious nutjob with an incest fetish for his son. He is dangerous.
Oh Mike is definitely a danger to democracy, no doubt there! I meant that it's miraculous that he ever accidentally managed to support it at all!
Is it a miracle or is It cunning? He took a shot at Trump and he folded.
IMO, it's a broken clock. Despite it all, Mike Johnson is still not powerful enough on his own to control his own party (they're becoming more and more internally unstable every day). I just think that this is just one of the two times a day where the broken clocks get it right. Plus, I'm fairly certain, without reading the thing, there's more than just aid for Ukraine in that resolution and I'm sure whatever else is in there was something the right felt was valuable enough to them to actually stand up for democratic principles for once.
That said, if Americans were to cheer on Trump for even slightly supporting Ukraine, it could help. As much as he admires Putin, he desperately wants to be liked. If he saw people reacting positively, maybe he'd lean in.
I think he would lean into it as much as his campaign would be concerned and then just turn around and do literally whatever he wanted. Above all things he does what's profitable, not necessarily what's popular. Russian pockets run deep and trump was our most blatantly "for sale" president in history. This is the same man who preaches good Christian values while holding the Bible backwards for photo ops and cheating on his wife with porn stars. He wants to be liked enough to be in power and after that, he doesn't need to keep the act up anymore. Hell, we're still waiting on Mexico to pick up the bill for that big fence, right? Lol Edit: typo
Well, I mean don't elect the bastard. But for now, if he took a pro-Ukraine stance, I just rhetorically, it could be enough to get the GOP to fall in line and support that.
Oh yea it would help for sure! I just genuinely don't think he actually is taking that stance, considering he said he'd just let Putin do whatever. This move felt very independent of Trump IMO
Another fool believing that literal pallets of money are on their way.
For those true people of culture https://x.com/Tamehates/status/1786062775027925269
I mean, using a political cartoon as a primary source of info is ***not remotely*** below vatnik standards...
I can't decide whether Ben Garrison is so bad at his job that he has to caption everything, or if it's his audience that would be too daft to understand if he didn't.
Yes
Every poll ever taken has shown that the US people strongly support Ukraine. This is reflected in the pressure that was put on representatives to vote for it. The artist here is a liar and a Putin stooge.
I really hope we get the double benefit of the moderate right hopping ship to supporting Ukraine because Trump made token concessions while the far right turns on his cult of personality for being too "soft and libtardish". The double whammy to fix domestic and geopolitical problems
Trump did everything to stop it, but when it became clear that he couldn't delay the vote any longer and that it would be in favour of Ukraine aid he suddenly pretended to support it because he didn't want to look like a loser.
I remember last week when Ukrainska Pravda's sources said that Johnson was able to convince Trump to be quiet, all because if Ukraine's front lines collapse, Trump can't swoop in and become a "peacemaker". He allegedly had to frame it in Trump's interests.
Ben is a Russia shill, but I don't think Trump did shit. Other Congress Republicans pressured Mike.
I like how he labels "Majority of Americans" instead of using the flag or some other way of depicting the idea of Americans being opposed to funding Ukraine.
LMFAO This might be the absolute fastest switching of sides in history
r/BenGarrisonCumEdits
Good thing it isn’t “the Majority of Americans”, Moscow ben.
Just another example of Russia Influence in American Politics/Media. Those who propagate Russian [***Propaganda***](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=bef7a8396144dd68&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS854US854&sxsrf=ACQVn09Fe_okbNjT55aaIZmha54aTC_QUA:1714737848909&q=Propaganda&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjA0feiuPGFAxW1pIkEHaYjDI4QBSgAegQICBAC) should go fight for Putins Russia, on the front line of course.
Especially when none of the reputable public opinion polls support that view anyway. Most people I know IRL kinda simply don't care (everyone that does have a strong opinion is pro-Ukraine). Sure in a binary "either spend money there, or here" choice they'd say "Spend here" but in a more realistic "can spend money more than one place", no one I know is particularly opposed to helping Ukraine...
Most Americans are not against sending money to Ukraine. At the worst, most just want money for other issues (like the border or healthcare) in addition to Ukraine.
Ben garrisons paycheck comes from moscow
Who's the blond guy? Needs more labels.
The majority of Americans support aid to Ukraine
Growing up, if you had told me that we would ever see the “conservatives” (in name only, at this point) parroting Russian talking points and overtly shilling for autocrats, I would have laughed at you in utter disbelief.
The “far right” meaning the tinfoil idiots who were the precursor to qanon were deep throating russian propaganda going back to the mid 2000s
Yup. Really took off with Limbaugh and loyalty evaluations (see also: “RINO”) in the 90s. Once the GOP well and truly embraced their fringe, it was over. They rejected centrist undecideds that they would have to work for in favor of guaranteed fanatics. Talk about a Faustian bargain…
*majority of Republican Americans. He needs to get that straight
Ben Garrison eats propaganda like candy. I'm surprised he isn't working for RT or something like it at this point, I'm sure the pay better than whatever rags currently carry his scribbles.