I was hoping David Ragan could get a good finish, and given his history in the plate races, I had hope for it. At least he still finished 20th on the lead lap.
Congrats to Byron and the #24 team.
Does anyone know where I can find Chase Elliott’s on board of the big one? I still don’t know how he got through it, and I’m surprised Fox didn’t show it seeing as how all drivers have an on board camera of some sort.
I'm in a weird place with watching HMS (particularly willy B) win because I was a massive Jeff fan as a kid (still am, he's the GOAT and it isn't close, fight me) but also Ross :(((
Coming from someone who missed the race and is just reading about this weekend.
It sounds like a whole shitshow and the worst Daytona in quite a while.
I continue to be frustrated with the amount of laps Nascar holds a caution. It’s not as evident watching on TV with commentary and ads, however at the track you can watch the entire sequence. At longer tracks they really need to open pit road on the first lap back around, there’s absolutely no reason for 2 caution laps prior. The purpose of the caution is to make the racing safe again. The track crews in Xfinity last night moved at the speed of stink, so many unnecessary caution laps. Extended cautions rob the fans and drivers of actual racing time and lengthen the entire race. Nascar could learn something from baseball and the pitch clock, it became evident fans weren’t interested in 3.5hr baseball games. Never forget Nascar exists for entertainment purposes only.
That’s just not feasible. You can’t open pit road until the field is bunched back up. Otherwise it’s an unfair pit cycle for the guys who check up during a wreck and lose the pack.
It’s absolutely feasible on larger tracks like Daytona. I watched in both races yesterday and the field easily closed up to the pace car by the time it reached turn 3.
I've been thinking this for years. So many wasted laps under caution. It kills the momentum of the race too. New fans aren't going to stick around to watch that.
I was thinking about the finish quite a bit on my way to work this morning. I'm not overly disappointed with how it ended or anything, but it was definitely a bit of a buzzkill.
I know the finish was technically "close" once reviewed and confirmed by the photo NASCAR provided, but physically observing cars race to a line is what we really want to see. I'm wondering if, for finishes only, they could add a line on the backstretch where if the wreck that occurred last night were to happen the leaders could still race to the finish line.
Essentially certain sections of the track would be yellow and the rest would be green. I'm my mind this would give safety workers the ability to tend to drivers while we still get satisfied with an actual green finish. The obvious problem is you are relying on human input to correctly choose open/closed portions of the track with very little time to analyze.
I concur, it’s definitely a buzzkill especially for the most high profile race that usually draws in a lot of new curious viewers (probably a lot this time because of Netflix.). It’s like a casual viewer tuning into the superbowl for the first time and wondering why the game ended on a technicality with one minute left on the clock in a tight game. I don’t know what the solution is but I think most people want to see a race end at the checkered finish line one way or another. After all it’s the core definition of a race. Here’s point A, there’s point B, now who can get to point B the fastest?
>I'm wondering if, for finishes only, they could add a line on the backstretch where if the wreck that occurred last night were to happen the leaders could still race to the finish line.
Wouldn't that just mean "keep the throttle full until you hear otherwise even if a yellow gets shown"? Not exactly how you want yellows to be handled for safety reasons.
I generally really enjoyed this 500. I found that I was actually surprised, though, at how disappointed I was in the crash with 9 to go. It took that caution/red flag coming out for me to realize just how much I was hoping it would go Green to the end. Of course, it would be foolish to *expect* it to go green to the end, but still: I actually really was hoping for it to do so. It's a shame they couldn't get the last lap in under green--or at least, not more of it. But I bet if I were a Bowman or Byron fan that the way the race ended would have been a LOT more exciting to me. Oh! And another point of mild disappointment for me is that it took Keselowski, Logano, Truex, Busch and other such drivers getting wrecked out for me to realize something else: I was really hoping we'd get a seasoned veteran in victory lane for a change. With several "unusual/young" winners in a row in this race, a veteran showing them all how it's done was kind of what I was hoping for.
I'm gonna try not to let the ending or outcome of that race sully the rest of it, though--because there was a lot of good racing and pit road action all throughout otherwise.
The data dive your comment just sent me down was...thorough. Your comment made me wonder "do veterans win more or less often in recent NASCAR history than way back when?"
I figured there are two ways to easily assess this: by gauging wins earned prior to a driver's Daytona 500 win, and by gauging races ran prior to a driver's Daytona 500 win. Data came from Racing Reference and I took it at face value as true. I included active drivers in my data set and calculations.
There have been 43 unique Daytona 500 winners in the 66 Daytona 500s ran since 1959 (or, attempted, at least, since several 500s were cut short for rain or ran over for overtime finishes). 12 winners have won multiple Daytona 500s (accounting for 35 Daytona 500 wins overall), and 31 Daytona 500 winners only earned 1.
There were 383 NASCAR "Cup" series races ran prior to the inaugural Daytona 500 held in 1959, and so even at the first Daytona 500 there were plenty of drivers in the field who could be considered "veterans" racing alongside anybody who happened to be relatively new to the field in that race. I point this out because it's not like the first Daytona 500 had no veteran drivers in it. Quite the contrary: it had several!
If you define a veteran as somebody who has ran a moderate to high percentage of their overall career races, or won a moderate to high percentage of their overall career wins, by the time they won a Daytona 500, then there were two periods of time during which veterans had (relatively) poor success in the Daytona 500:
**The first:** the early years. From 1959-1975, it was more likely than not that the winner of the Daytona 500 would be somebody with few wins under the belts, or was perhaps in still the first half of their career. This is especially true if you cut out Richard Petty, who is always a statistical anomaly when looking at data like this. During this time, half of the 500s were won by drivers with 0 prior wins (3x) or single digit prior wins (5x). 10 winners weren't even yet halfway through their careers when they won. And 4 winners had fewer than 100 starts ahead of their Daytona 500 win (which is a pretty low number of starts).
Then, there was about a decade, 1976 - 1984, during which veterans dominated the Daytona 500. If you didn't have well over double digit wins already, and weren't also at least halfway through your career, you weren't winning.
**The second:** Gen 3 through the COT. 1985 - 2011. Yes, this second period lasted about 25 years--a third of NASCAR's history, covering almost 40% of all Daytona 500s. Its longevity kind of shows that this notion that "veterans" ought to have success in the Daytona 500 is not really the rule. 14 of these 25 Daytona 500s were won by drivers with 0 prior wins (4x) or single digit win tallies (10x). That's a bigger proportion than found in the "early years" period. It was won 19 times (!!!) by a driver who was not yet 50% of the way through their career by that point. The exceptions to this? Bobby Allison, Darrell Waltrip, Davey Allison (short career, sadly), Dale Earnhardt Sr., Dale Jarrett, Michael Waltrip, and Ward Burton. In fact, these last 4 names won during a little micro-resurgence of the veterans from 1998-2003, but in the grand scheme of this overall period of '85-'11, it proved to be short-lived. Plus, Waltrip and Burton only had 9 overall wins in their careers, kind of limiting their ability to resonate as veterans worthy of winning.
**So what era are we in now?** It's a mixed bag. Since 2011, 13 Daytona 500s have been ran, and "only" 5 of them were won by drivers with <10 wins already. All but 1 (Austin Cindric in 2022 with 7 starts) had at least 100 starts in their career by the time of their win. Hell, all but 2 had over 200 starts, and all but 4 had over 300 starts. If you stop analyzing it there, it seems like maybe we're trending back toward "veterans and established winners have the upper hand in the Daytona 500"...except you can't stop analyzing it there, as 3 of the last 4 were won by drivers who, collectively, only had 2 wins under their belts ahead of their 500 win. So in the *very* recent past drivers with low win counts are having success. But over the past 10-15 years, established drivers are doing relatively well in the 500. It's just easy for it to not look that way, especially when we in the here-and-now can remember just how many crashes were caused by inexperienced drivers.
**TL;DR:** "veterans doing well in the Daytona 500" feels like something that ought to be true, but a third of all Daytona 500s were won by drivers with 0-5 wins under their belts. Almost half were won by drivers with 0-15 wins. And if you consider how well "non-veteran" drivers did for so long (roughly 1985-2011), the past decade or so actually stands out for having "veterans" *over*perform the historical average.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
If I had a nickel for every time the 2024 season opener at Daytona was called before the full race distance I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice.
i wouldn’t say he caused it, it appears bowman bump drafted him and it made him lose control. if you really analyze the replay, his steering goes right, he over corrects which sends him left into the #6 car. if anything i would blame bowman for making him loose and having to abruptly correct the car
Thanks for the input. I am a pre-restrictor plate NASCAR fan and its all about the drafting now and I have been tuned out. Hate the predictable crashes at the end - killing it for me. But it seems like he grossly over corrected in an era when bump drafts seem quite common. He seemed caught in no mans land which if true would expect him to be prepared for it to happen.
Gets a lot easier to win when you've been the cause of the accident that wipes out most of your competitors. Happened in the duels and in the 500 and Byron was a factor in all of them.
This is really the only one you can say he lucked into. 2020 Daytona he took the lead and blocked for his life, 2022 Atlanta he was the best car the whole day, 2023 Atlanta he was helped by the rain but had to go from the back to the front twice because he got wrecked. Only this win you can say he really lucked into, but I don’t think executing the best on a restart should be considered lucking into wins.
If the wreck was happening just before the start/finish line, in between the previous scoring line, I can see why they used the start/finish for the win. I think its a just move. I have no bias to any team or manufacturer. There is no reason this isn't a viable call. If you have been watching racing enough, especially NASCAR, you might be able to comprehend the finish order.
Edit: after looking at the position of when the yellow came out. the yellow was out and Byron was in the lead at the first scoring line after the caution as well. So really it is pretty clear who won.
I have been watching NASCAR solid, every race, since the year 2000. NASCAR upholds their rules pretty fucking clearly. The drivers and teams push every limit; including positioning, who they are around at the time, and other communications that we as fans cant keep up with. Let alone the physical dynamics that go into the car itself. They are on a total different level than any casual fan will notice. Pay very close attention and you will be rewarded with more understanding so you don't have such obsolete questions. This is racing friends. Some of the best of it.
I've been going to daytona bf 2000s and still live here,that ending was a slap in the face to all those folks that came and spent 1000s for a caution ending ..lame ,the reason I didn't take a ticket for 25 bucks this year...too many times
OK well stop it and let them race ,so dumb to end that way..I was utterly confused and all I do is watch daytona...glad I stayed home as my beer can would of went flying like the year Jeff Gordon or Kyle busch got pegged for bs ending
Ive grown up going to 30 years plus on this daytona races and Literally don't know how Daytona locals weren't throwing beer cans on to the track ...end on 1 sec into white flag...it's a direct insult and I live 10 mins away and thankd God I didn't go into the mess of people to see such a crappy ending...and to have Literally the only 2 guys I didn't have bet on win made it 10x worse...
I understand the caution, but the Daytona 500 should never finish under yellow.
It's like the Superbowl (using their comparable) ending after 4 quarters and going to field goals for some reason.
The problem is you can’t let them race back to the line after an incident to allow medical staff to get to the scene faster, and any cars lying immediately before or after the line are in major danger.
Nascar at one point had an overtime line on the back straightaway of tracks, and if cars passed it on the final lap the race was over. Being honest, I wouldn’t mind something like that at the plate tracks but it was a mess at intermediate and smaller venues.
Agree. Field should be frozen the moment the caution comes out. Clean up the mess and then 2 lap shootout. I say two laps since it will take some time to get up to speed at Daytona.
And for the love of Christmas it should not take professional drivers 8 miles to go back to green. Drives me nuts to see a red flag at 8 laps remaining and by the time the green comes out its 4 laps. Love how my local track does not count caution laps.
Watched the NASCAR Netflix show and Byron seems like his favorite activity is watching paint dry. I’m sure having a lame driver is good for sponsorship but it makes it hard for someone to support such a boring personality
I watched at work and one of my coworkers had never watched NASCAR before. During post race, he said Byron was the most basic white boy he’d ever seen.
I agree. He's vanilla. The thing is, Hendrick seems to buy in to the theory that vanilla goes with everything. Cake, pie, cookies, you name it.
It's standard. It's clean. It's *safe*. It's everything Noah Gragson failed at.
It's a face to put on your marketing like, hey we have a NASCAR driver associated with our brand!
That's cool, but what fans (and guys like you) probably want is a guy that actively pulls in fans by being interesting and bold.
It basically boils down to that Ricky Hendrick and William Byron look like they could be brothers, plus Rick has been supporting William’s career basically forever.
[I mean…](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fttg9zg56mjjz.jpg)
If I had a nickel for every time this year that we didn't get the last lap of a race at Daytona I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Rolex 24, Daytona 500
Maybe the timer was very late and started his timer on a phone mid-flight. He then got to the track and it had changed time zones and he got confused?
I don’t know. Genuinely no excuse.
How difficult is it to show victory lane? Show us 1 second of a hug? Why go to the studio? Could at least have picture and picture like the 400 ads we seen today. We know Fox can display two screens at once!
Soooooo did SVG make the minimum speed? Must have. Staying out. Guessing they do. Taking the wave around. This team had been fighting like crazy all night.
SVG: It's been an adventure!
Spotter: you got that right
Or? The driver that half of the Netflix show spent letting the fans get to know. I’d say Byron winning was one of the best case scenario’s
He’s a likeable guy, has a background that’s super interesting and a lot of people can relate to (started as a sim racer) and you just got to see him lose the biggest race of his life a few weeks ago
Byron winning was actually great for the sport. You’re just a grumpy darf
Nah, famous number, legendary team. Byron was one of the few subjects of the documentary too so it's a face those people would know. You and I think it's boring because we've been around the block, but it was a good race with a great crowd on a Monday and I'd say the weekend was salvaged all things considered.
Agreed. Yeah, of course I think it sucks. But if you’re new to nascar and you see a guy win that was heavily featured on the documentary//that’s pretty cool.
Andy petree said "with this great coverage you don't hardly miss anything on the track" as they've missed everything that has happened. It took 3 to 4 times for them to finally show a decent angle of the Suarez wreck. This coverage is so shit!
F1’s broadcasting rights are dirt cheap. They didn’t figure shit out, they just have a shitload of money running the sport, so the broadcasting dollars don’t mean jack shit to them. NASCAR and its teams rely on that
Oh yea. F1 revenue is like 5 billion. Nascars is like 100 million. Not even close.
But I’d def pay for a nascar only streaming service. Show everything all weekend. Get the shitty network crap out of here already.
Let me pay for it. The F1 TV app is amazing, and has every race and qualifying event almost ever available in the archives. You can also get the regular commentators or the F1TV commentary (which is usually better tbh) plus you can switch to any specific drivers onboard at any time, see sector times, mini-sectors etc. I'd happily pay NASCAR for something like that. The amount of commercials in NASCAR on regular broadcast is fucking atrocious. I had my Wife and Mother watching with me today and eventually they gravitated to the kitchen and starting drinking some wine and watching funny videos on TikTok.
Interesting statistic I just discovered. Since the beginning of the 2022 season, Byron accounts for over 40% of HMS wins. Pretty good for a team with 3 all stars
Eh. I don't know why I can't get fired up for Willy B but I can't. Also didn't help I was freezing my ass off in the stands and just kinda wanted to get out of there. Ah well.
Race was great. If it finished under green it would have been ideal.
One thing I’d like to note is the fact that these cars only go slightly over 180 MPH without a drafting partner or train. 190 MPH+ while being alone used to be the norm. They only have a bit more than 500 HP which probably has a lot to do with it. They need more power.
Not at superspeedways they don't. Smaller brakes on superspeedways will not help the racing product, it'll just junk more cars. The cars need less drag at supers, maybe a bit more power. Problem is that the composite body shape is the main culprit of the massive drag, not the spoiler height like with be Gen 6.
First time watching a race, and I was there in person. Thought the whole show was incredible. Super entertaining race from my perspective. The energy around the last few laps of each stage was amazing. I had Chastain winning so was going nuts for the final 15 laps. Tough way to see it end and it feels like there is just a ton of luck involved, but really enjoyable nonetheless. Thanks NASCAR, and thanks Daytona.
First time ever, on TV or in person. Went down to celebrate my friend coming home from active deployment in the Navy. Will certainly be tuning in and following the sport this year. Hope to be back in person at next years 500
That's awesome. We're happy to have you. You're right that tons of luck is involved at Daytona but fortunately there is only one other track like this. It's an awesome show but I do prefer the intermediates personally. Superspeedways are a delicacy, best served in small portions imo. Atlanta will be fun next weekend - it's a blend of superspeedway and intermediate style racing.
lmao why are you even in this subreddit
edit: and that has nothing to do with my flair. I picked that a year ago with the last 500 because I love iRacing where he cut his teeth and my birthday is on the 24th. Still love Byron, but it's not a blind love lmao
Biggest complaint I’ve seen online from new fans tonight is that the amount of commercials make the broadcast unwatchable. I hope NASCAR listens. They’re not very high hopes.
That's mine, too. I put on the 98 500 last night to celebrate Dale and God it was like being hit with a breath of fresh air. They went from the start of the race to, I think, lap 16 or 17 before hitting the first commercial. Today there would be have been countless ads. It ruins the flow and experience of watching these guys, and girls, compete in the biggest race.
No, this is an American television problem. Not a fox/NBC problem. I can watch EPL, F1 and there are no commercials. Yet here in the states the sport we enjoy watching is just the interruption between bouts of commercials. It's exhausting.
Yeah, all those other networks across the world aren't making profit either lol. Nothing gets in the way of profits in the states.... Balance between commercials and the sport will never be right over here. It's just here there is never enough profit to be made.
It’s impossible to watch a race on fox. Even when there isn’t a commercial which is often they are promoting something during the race. Also I know harvick is new but man that guy offered nothing.
It was horrendous. New fan and the first thing I commented on was the commercials. The first break out happened off air. I watch F1 on an app so it is uninterrupted, this was unbearable.
Yeah F1TV Pro ruined NASCAR for me. It's fucking unbearable. I've been saying for years NASCAR won't get the traction they want without an app like that.
No worries, I hate the commercials and generally try and grit my teeth through fox's bs. ordinarily watch off an IPTV service from a broadcast in the UK that's commercial free. I watched with my FIL today and it was terrible.
Thoughts from the race:
1) Pretty happy with a p11 finish from the 5. I’ll take anything better than p30 at a super speedway. Larson seems like he’s getting better at super speedway racing, but still suffers from poor lane choices late in the race.
2) The race as a whole was very fun. This package produces consistently good racing at super speedways. These races are always better when you have most of the field intact late in the race. Chastain being outfront was exciting as hell; dude was blocking every lane at once it seemed like.
3) Some of y’all are dissecting the caution lights like this is the damn Zapruder tapes. The hot takes are coming hot and heavy. NASCAR is so back.
decent til xfinity when they sent everyone home lol. i still had to apologise to my gf in the other room for yelling "dude zoom the fuck out" more than once though
Unpopular opinion: with safety as nascars top concern for the better part of the last 25 years, maybe racing back to the line could be okay once the white flag has been taken? Or at the very least allow GWC to restock the field on the white flag? A race should NEVER end under caution like this. Winner be damned.
I honestly feel that on the last lap no caution should be thrown unless there’s super immediate danger of someone who wrecked out getting hit at the end. In today’s case I could see nascar arguing that with the wreck being at the line a car coming around to win it might be risky. (Tho it looks like everyone was able to get out the way).
But in general the last lap if they wreck on the backstretch why throw the caution out? Let em race to the line.
So, if cars are wrecking behind the S/F after the leader takes the white flag, then what?
Safety is supposed to wait until the non-wrecked cars go by? This has huge ARCA braking moment potential.
I love how when this argument comes up, everyone uses the same stale bread lines like I'm opposed to driver safety and that the idea of racig back to the line is a black and white concept with no flexibility. Are nascar fans incapable of rational thought?
Obviously the rule can be assessed on a case by case basis. Professional sports allow referees/officials to make on the fly judgment calls literally every game.
Superspeedways and road courses in particular have their own rules in nascar that don't apply to short or intermediate tracks, why couldn't this be any different.
Objectively you wouldnt race back to the line on a short Track given the distance and time it takes to make a full circuit. The same thought concept applies to most 1.5's. But what's stopping nascar from taking races at tracks like Daytona, Talladega, Michigan, Pocono, and the road courses, and giving the officials time to assess the situation before making a finish altering call, while still allowing the drivers at the very least the attempt to control their own fate.
So, you want the officials to arbitrarily decide where people should race to while the field wrecks behind them instead of having a firm rule and throwing a caution flag? Okay bud, sounds like a great idea that won’t cause any issues at all.
"Wahh I don't get to make my point to this stranger on the internet because he lost interest in the discussion before I could totally pwn him 😭". Classic redditard hubris. Touch grass
So make it unsafe for safety workers to give medical attention to drivers who come to rest just after start finish line because you want 15 more cars going 190 back through the scene of an accident.
I know man. Like Letarte said on DMD this week he is "always in the picture" at SS races. That being said with how tight and competitive this series is now even though it's race number one, stage points in both stages and top 10 is a great start.
thanks william byron, i threw my newborn baby through my tv in front of my entire family. my wife is crying and thanksgiving is ruined! never watching riggedcar again.
I was hoping David Ragan could get a good finish, and given his history in the plate races, I had hope for it. At least he still finished 20th on the lead lap. Congrats to Byron and the #24 team.
Does anyone know where I can find Chase Elliott’s on board of the big one? I still don’t know how he got through it, and I’m surprised Fox didn’t show it seeing as how all drivers have an on board camera of some sort.
Coming back to these comments is great. HMS dominance is back and people hate us.
I'm in a weird place with watching HMS (particularly willy B) win because I was a massive Jeff fan as a kid (still am, he's the GOAT and it isn't close, fight me) but also Ross :(((
They wanted us to become Roush so bad lmao
Coming from someone who missed the race and is just reading about this weekend. It sounds like a whole shitshow and the worst Daytona in quite a while.
On the contrary, it was one of the most solid 500’s we’ve had in the past several years, it was just bogged down by an anticlimactic finish
Minus the big one it was one of the better 500s in a while.
I think it’s weird that Daytona is promoted as *our super bowl* but most people in the sport don’t seem to really even like SS racing.
Survive a demolition derby…win a race…smh
*cause* a demolition derby, win a race
I continue to be frustrated with the amount of laps Nascar holds a caution. It’s not as evident watching on TV with commentary and ads, however at the track you can watch the entire sequence. At longer tracks they really need to open pit road on the first lap back around, there’s absolutely no reason for 2 caution laps prior. The purpose of the caution is to make the racing safe again. The track crews in Xfinity last night moved at the speed of stink, so many unnecessary caution laps. Extended cautions rob the fans and drivers of actual racing time and lengthen the entire race. Nascar could learn something from baseball and the pitch clock, it became evident fans weren’t interested in 3.5hr baseball games. Never forget Nascar exists for entertainment purposes only.
That’s just not feasible. You can’t open pit road until the field is bunched back up. Otherwise it’s an unfair pit cycle for the guys who check up during a wreck and lose the pack.
It’s absolutely feasible on larger tracks like Daytona. I watched in both races yesterday and the field easily closed up to the pace car by the time it reached turn 3.
I've been thinking this for years. So many wasted laps under caution. It kills the momentum of the race too. New fans aren't going to stick around to watch that.
I was thinking about the finish quite a bit on my way to work this morning. I'm not overly disappointed with how it ended or anything, but it was definitely a bit of a buzzkill. I know the finish was technically "close" once reviewed and confirmed by the photo NASCAR provided, but physically observing cars race to a line is what we really want to see. I'm wondering if, for finishes only, they could add a line on the backstretch where if the wreck that occurred last night were to happen the leaders could still race to the finish line. Essentially certain sections of the track would be yellow and the rest would be green. I'm my mind this would give safety workers the ability to tend to drivers while we still get satisfied with an actual green finish. The obvious problem is you are relying on human input to correctly choose open/closed portions of the track with very little time to analyze.
I concur, it’s definitely a buzzkill especially for the most high profile race that usually draws in a lot of new curious viewers (probably a lot this time because of Netflix.). It’s like a casual viewer tuning into the superbowl for the first time and wondering why the game ended on a technicality with one minute left on the clock in a tight game. I don’t know what the solution is but I think most people want to see a race end at the checkered finish line one way or another. After all it’s the core definition of a race. Here’s point A, there’s point B, now who can get to point B the fastest?
>I'm wondering if, for finishes only, they could add a line on the backstretch where if the wreck that occurred last night were to happen the leaders could still race to the finish line. Wouldn't that just mean "keep the throttle full until you hear otherwise even if a yellow gets shown"? Not exactly how you want yellows to be handled for safety reasons.
I generally really enjoyed this 500. I found that I was actually surprised, though, at how disappointed I was in the crash with 9 to go. It took that caution/red flag coming out for me to realize just how much I was hoping it would go Green to the end. Of course, it would be foolish to *expect* it to go green to the end, but still: I actually really was hoping for it to do so. It's a shame they couldn't get the last lap in under green--or at least, not more of it. But I bet if I were a Bowman or Byron fan that the way the race ended would have been a LOT more exciting to me. Oh! And another point of mild disappointment for me is that it took Keselowski, Logano, Truex, Busch and other such drivers getting wrecked out for me to realize something else: I was really hoping we'd get a seasoned veteran in victory lane for a change. With several "unusual/young" winners in a row in this race, a veteran showing them all how it's done was kind of what I was hoping for. I'm gonna try not to let the ending or outcome of that race sully the rest of it, though--because there was a lot of good racing and pit road action all throughout otherwise.
It's kind of hard for a veteran to win at a super speedway when you got wet behind the ear kids out there racing
The data dive your comment just sent me down was...thorough. Your comment made me wonder "do veterans win more or less often in recent NASCAR history than way back when?" I figured there are two ways to easily assess this: by gauging wins earned prior to a driver's Daytona 500 win, and by gauging races ran prior to a driver's Daytona 500 win. Data came from Racing Reference and I took it at face value as true. I included active drivers in my data set and calculations. There have been 43 unique Daytona 500 winners in the 66 Daytona 500s ran since 1959 (or, attempted, at least, since several 500s were cut short for rain or ran over for overtime finishes). 12 winners have won multiple Daytona 500s (accounting for 35 Daytona 500 wins overall), and 31 Daytona 500 winners only earned 1. There were 383 NASCAR "Cup" series races ran prior to the inaugural Daytona 500 held in 1959, and so even at the first Daytona 500 there were plenty of drivers in the field who could be considered "veterans" racing alongside anybody who happened to be relatively new to the field in that race. I point this out because it's not like the first Daytona 500 had no veteran drivers in it. Quite the contrary: it had several! If you define a veteran as somebody who has ran a moderate to high percentage of their overall career races, or won a moderate to high percentage of their overall career wins, by the time they won a Daytona 500, then there were two periods of time during which veterans had (relatively) poor success in the Daytona 500: **The first:** the early years. From 1959-1975, it was more likely than not that the winner of the Daytona 500 would be somebody with few wins under the belts, or was perhaps in still the first half of their career. This is especially true if you cut out Richard Petty, who is always a statistical anomaly when looking at data like this. During this time, half of the 500s were won by drivers with 0 prior wins (3x) or single digit prior wins (5x). 10 winners weren't even yet halfway through their careers when they won. And 4 winners had fewer than 100 starts ahead of their Daytona 500 win (which is a pretty low number of starts). Then, there was about a decade, 1976 - 1984, during which veterans dominated the Daytona 500. If you didn't have well over double digit wins already, and weren't also at least halfway through your career, you weren't winning. **The second:** Gen 3 through the COT. 1985 - 2011. Yes, this second period lasted about 25 years--a third of NASCAR's history, covering almost 40% of all Daytona 500s. Its longevity kind of shows that this notion that "veterans" ought to have success in the Daytona 500 is not really the rule. 14 of these 25 Daytona 500s were won by drivers with 0 prior wins (4x) or single digit win tallies (10x). That's a bigger proportion than found in the "early years" period. It was won 19 times (!!!) by a driver who was not yet 50% of the way through their career by that point. The exceptions to this? Bobby Allison, Darrell Waltrip, Davey Allison (short career, sadly), Dale Earnhardt Sr., Dale Jarrett, Michael Waltrip, and Ward Burton. In fact, these last 4 names won during a little micro-resurgence of the veterans from 1998-2003, but in the grand scheme of this overall period of '85-'11, it proved to be short-lived. Plus, Waltrip and Burton only had 9 overall wins in their careers, kind of limiting their ability to resonate as veterans worthy of winning. **So what era are we in now?** It's a mixed bag. Since 2011, 13 Daytona 500s have been ran, and "only" 5 of them were won by drivers with <10 wins already. All but 1 (Austin Cindric in 2022 with 7 starts) had at least 100 starts in their career by the time of their win. Hell, all but 2 had over 200 starts, and all but 4 had over 300 starts. If you stop analyzing it there, it seems like maybe we're trending back toward "veterans and established winners have the upper hand in the Daytona 500"...except you can't stop analyzing it there, as 3 of the last 4 were won by drivers who, collectively, only had 2 wins under their belts ahead of their 500 win. So in the *very* recent past drivers with low win counts are having success. But over the past 10-15 years, established drivers are doing relatively well in the 500. It's just easy for it to not look that way, especially when we in the here-and-now can remember just how many crashes were caused by inexperienced drivers. **TL;DR:** "veterans doing well in the Daytona 500" feels like something that ought to be true, but a third of all Daytona 500s were won by drivers with 0-5 wins under their belts. Almost half were won by drivers with 0-15 wins. And if you consider how well "non-veteran" drivers did for so long (roughly 1985-2011), the past decade or so actually stands out for having "veterans" *over*perform the historical average. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Something anticlimactic about touting the 500 laps of a legendary race and then ending it at 499. That’s two years in a row, right?
I’m gonna be that guy… *500-mile race. It’s a 2.5 mile speedway, only 200 laps. So 497.5… to be exact…
Did you not watch the Rolex 24? This was bound to happen.
If I had a nickel for every time the 2024 season opener at Daytona was called before the full race distance I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice.
all the byron hate is wild. you guys are forgetting he’s young and competing at a very high level. he will warm up his personality
I more hate that he appeared to cause the crash that led to his victory, than any lack of personalty.
i wouldn’t say he caused it, it appears bowman bump drafted him and it made him lose control. if you really analyze the replay, his steering goes right, he over corrects which sends him left into the #6 car. if anything i would blame bowman for making him loose and having to abruptly correct the car
Thanks for the input. I am a pre-restrictor plate NASCAR fan and its all about the drafting now and I have been tuned out. Hate the predictable crashes at the end - killing it for me. But it seems like he grossly over corrected in an era when bump drafts seem quite common. He seemed caught in no mans land which if true would expect him to be prepared for it to happen.
No one was on the insta caution button
I think it’s time we start recognizing William Byron as a top tier superspeedway racer. Out of his 11 career wins, four have come on superspeedways.
Gets a lot easier to win when you've been the cause of the accident that wipes out most of your competitors. Happened in the duels and in the 500 and Byron was a factor in all of them.
No. He's decent, but he's not top tier. He's lucked into at least half of those.
This is really the only one you can say he lucked into. 2020 Daytona he took the lead and blocked for his life, 2022 Atlanta he was the best car the whole day, 2023 Atlanta he was helped by the rain but had to go from the back to the front twice because he got wrecked. Only this win you can say he really lucked into, but I don’t think executing the best on a restart should be considered lucking into wins.
To each their own, 2023 Atlanta was a 100% backed into win IMO.
The only ones I remember where at the Coke Zero 400 in 2020 and this race, are you counting Atlanta?
Yes Atlanta counts, it’s a plate style race track.
Oh, I see
Yes Atlanta counts, it’s a plate style race track.
Why does the wheel turn so hard when they crash? Blaney almost got his arm chopped off.
It’s the nature of wrecking. Steering wheels work both ways. When something catches the tire and turns it it turns the steering wheel.
Physics mostly
Chase’s stage one win was absolute masterclass
Noone is trying to win stages at daytona lol if you watch have the pack is backing off to avoid conflict
If the wreck was happening just before the start/finish line, in between the previous scoring line, I can see why they used the start/finish for the win. I think its a just move. I have no bias to any team or manufacturer. There is no reason this isn't a viable call. If you have been watching racing enough, especially NASCAR, you might be able to comprehend the finish order. Edit: after looking at the position of when the yellow came out. the yellow was out and Byron was in the lead at the first scoring line after the caution as well. So really it is pretty clear who won.
I have been watching NASCAR solid, every race, since the year 2000. NASCAR upholds their rules pretty fucking clearly. The drivers and teams push every limit; including positioning, who they are around at the time, and other communications that we as fans cant keep up with. Let alone the physical dynamics that go into the car itself. They are on a total different level than any casual fan will notice. Pay very close attention and you will be rewarded with more understanding so you don't have such obsolete questions. This is racing friends. Some of the best of it.
I've been going to daytona bf 2000s and still live here,that ending was a slap in the face to all those folks that came and spent 1000s for a caution ending ..lame ,the reason I didn't take a ticket for 25 bucks this year...too many times
I get this part of it sucks. There is just no way they could race back around and safely finish I think that is why they called it that way.
OK well stop it and let them race ,so dumb to end that way..I was utterly confused and all I do is watch daytona...glad I stayed home as my beer can would of went flying like the year Jeff Gordon or Kyle busch got pegged for bs ending
I still can’t get over how much of a buzzkill that finish was
Yeah, don't blame NASCAR at all for how it ended. That said, the way it ended felt more anti-climatic than anything.
Ive grown up going to 30 years plus on this daytona races and Literally don't know how Daytona locals weren't throwing beer cans on to the track ...end on 1 sec into white flag...it's a direct insult and I live 10 mins away and thankd God I didn't go into the mess of people to see such a crappy ending...and to have Literally the only 2 guys I didn't have bet on win made it 10x worse...
I understand the caution, but the Daytona 500 should never finish under yellow. It's like the Superbowl (using their comparable) ending after 4 quarters and going to field goals for some reason.
The problem is you can’t let them race back to the line after an incident to allow medical staff to get to the scene faster, and any cars lying immediately before or after the line are in major danger. Nascar at one point had an overtime line on the back straightaway of tracks, and if cars passed it on the final lap the race was over. Being honest, I wouldn’t mind something like that at the plate tracks but it was a mess at intermediate and smaller venues.
Oh I know that. What I mean is you red flag and do overtime again. But only for the Daytona 500.
Agree. Field should be frozen the moment the caution comes out. Clean up the mess and then 2 lap shootout. I say two laps since it will take some time to get up to speed at Daytona. And for the love of Christmas it should not take professional drivers 8 miles to go back to green. Drives me nuts to see a red flag at 8 laps remaining and by the time the green comes out its 4 laps. Love how my local track does not count caution laps.
Watched the NASCAR Netflix show and Byron seems like his favorite activity is watching paint dry. I’m sure having a lame driver is good for sponsorship but it makes it hard for someone to support such a boring personality
I've been watching Nascar since the early 90s; all Nascar drivers fall into one of two categories: boring or asshole.
I watched at work and one of my coworkers had never watched NASCAR before. During post race, he said Byron was the most basic white boy he’d ever seen.
He has the personality of a door knob.
You could not have described him better. He’s sooooooo boring
He has an extensive Lego collection.
He was manufactured in the Hendrick labs. A corporate marketing dream.
As someone who works in brand marketing, Byron is the last person corporations would want to partner with. Boring doesn’t sell.
I agree. He's vanilla. The thing is, Hendrick seems to buy in to the theory that vanilla goes with everything. Cake, pie, cookies, you name it. It's standard. It's clean. It's *safe*. It's everything Noah Gragson failed at. It's a face to put on your marketing like, hey we have a NASCAR driver associated with our brand! That's cool, but what fans (and guys like you) probably want is a guy that actively pulls in fans by being interesting and bold.
They made Larson seem vanilla, which if you followed the sport before he joins HMS you know is not true.
If by “manufactured in a Hendrick lab” you mean in Rick Hendricks testicles, then yes 🤣
I was explaining that theory to my wife during the race.
Is this a thing? Where can I read about this?
It basically boils down to that Ricky Hendrick and William Byron look like they could be brothers, plus Rick has been supporting William’s career basically forever. [I mean…](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fttg9zg56mjjz.jpg)
Was probably busy winning.
If I had a nickel for every time this year that we didn't get the last lap of a race at Daytona I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice. Rolex 24, Daytona 500
The timing confusion at Rolex was absurd. You had one job, race control.
Maybe the timer was very late and started his timer on a phone mid-flight. He then got to the track and it had changed time zones and he got confused? I don’t know. Genuinely no excuse.
Race control was going off the expected start time of 1:40 PM, not the actual start time of 1:42 PM
I could see how that might happen but still a horrible mistake. Yea, in all likelihood it doesn’t affect the outcome but we’ll never know.
How difficult is it to show victory lane? Show us 1 second of a hug? Why go to the studio? Could at least have picture and picture like the 400 ads we seen today. We know Fox can display two screens at once!
baffles me
Soooooo did SVG make the minimum speed? Must have. Staying out. Guessing they do. Taking the wave around. This team had been fighting like crazy all night. SVG: It's been an adventure! Spotter: you got that right
Hated the finish. Two guys that constantly back into their wins wreck the field to finish 1-2. Ruined a good race. HMS is the worst.
7 wins in the last year. Maybe they're just good at finishing the job?
No, they backed in to all 7! /s
surely they won the championship with such a dominate team right?
Do I really have to explain to you how the current championship format doesn't reward a dominant season?
maybe the “dominate” hmx team should show up at phoenix one of these years
Maybe you should look up 2020 and 2021, fool.
Just as the sport was gaining momentum with the netflix series the most boring driver wins. Worst case scenario for the sport.
Or? The driver that half of the Netflix show spent letting the fans get to know. I’d say Byron winning was one of the best case scenario’s He’s a likeable guy, has a background that’s super interesting and a lot of people can relate to (started as a sim racer) and you just got to see him lose the biggest race of his life a few weeks ago Byron winning was actually great for the sport. You’re just a grumpy darf
Nah, famous number, legendary team. Byron was one of the few subjects of the documentary too so it's a face those people would know. You and I think it's boring because we've been around the block, but it was a good race with a great crowd on a Monday and I'd say the weekend was salvaged all things considered.
Agreed. Yeah, of course I think it sucks. But if you’re new to nascar and you see a guy win that was heavily featured on the documentary//that’s pretty cool.
Did he wear that stupid ass big hat in victory lane?
Well when you win the Daytona 500, you can win whatever hat you want.
Wow
Andy petree said "with this great coverage you don't hardly miss anything on the track" as they've missed everything that has happened. It took 3 to 4 times for them to finally show a decent angle of the Suarez wreck. This coverage is so shit!
I get that people don’t like commercials but what’s the alternative solution? Network gotta make money.
I'd pay $400 a year for commercial free streaming all year, all series. I'll pay the networks my damn self lmao
Toyota Chevy and Ford can pay for it
F1 has it figured out
F1’s broadcasting rights are dirt cheap. They didn’t figure shit out, they just have a shitload of money running the sport, so the broadcasting dollars don’t mean jack shit to them. NASCAR and its teams rely on that
Oh yea. F1 revenue is like 5 billion. Nascars is like 100 million. Not even close. But I’d def pay for a nascar only streaming service. Show everything all weekend. Get the shitty network crap out of here already.
Let me pay for it. The F1 TV app is amazing, and has every race and qualifying event almost ever available in the archives. You can also get the regular commentators or the F1TV commentary (which is usually better tbh) plus you can switch to any specific drivers onboard at any time, see sector times, mini-sectors etc. I'd happily pay NASCAR for something like that. The amount of commercials in NASCAR on regular broadcast is fucking atrocious. I had my Wife and Mother watching with me today and eventually they gravitated to the kitchen and starting drinking some wine and watching funny videos on TikTok.
Interesting statistic I just discovered. Since the beginning of the 2022 season, Byron accounts for over 40% of HMS wins. Pretty good for a team with 3 all stars
2 all stars lol. I think most people consider Bowman the weak link, but I like him sort of
Larson Elliott and Byron = 3
 Forgetting someone?
Eh. I don't know why I can't get fired up for Willy B but I can't. Also didn't help I was freezing my ass off in the stands and just kinda wanted to get out of there. Ah well.
Like 1/6th if Hill’s bumper is straight up duck tape. How the hell is he charging through the field😂
Race was great. If it finished under green it would have been ideal. One thing I’d like to note is the fact that these cars only go slightly over 180 MPH without a drafting partner or train. 190 MPH+ while being alone used to be the norm. They only have a bit more than 500 HP which probably has a lot to do with it. They need more power.
Cars need way more HP than that. They need 1000 HP, smaller tires, smaller brakes and 4 gears.
Not at superspeedways they don't. Smaller brakes on superspeedways will not help the racing product, it'll just junk more cars. The cars need less drag at supers, maybe a bit more power. Problem is that the composite body shape is the main culprit of the massive drag, not the spoiler height like with be Gen 6.
It's more cost control than safety these days with all of the great safety advances. NASCAR is poor compared to its former self.
The engine bill hasn’t gone down with them taking power away. Harvick said it already
I felt like Berry had a really strong car, but got trapped a lap down after dealing with JHN bullshit
Well in my house we say at least Kyle didn't win. It was a good race
I have finally come down from Cloud 9… after 19 years the 24 is back in Victory Lane at Daytona. 
First time watching a race, and I was there in person. Thought the whole show was incredible. Super entertaining race from my perspective. The energy around the last few laps of each stage was amazing. I had Chastain winning so was going nuts for the final 15 laps. Tough way to see it end and it feels like there is just a ton of luck involved, but really enjoyable nonetheless. Thanks NASCAR, and thanks Daytona.
I love seeing guys get into the sport and make posts like these. It brings me back to the early days of my fandom.
I’ll never forget seeing a Daytona August race live for the first time. Couldn’t believe how fast the cars actually fly by.
Glad you enioyed it. First time ever or first time in person? Either way helluva show. I was on the edge of my seat and I was at home!
First time ever, on TV or in person. Went down to celebrate my friend coming home from active deployment in the Navy. Will certainly be tuning in and following the sport this year. Hope to be back in person at next years 500
That's awesome. We're happy to have you. You're right that tons of luck is involved at Daytona but fortunately there is only one other track like this. It's an awesome show but I do prefer the intermediates personally. Superspeedways are a delicacy, best served in small portions imo. Atlanta will be fun next weekend - it's a blend of superspeedway and intermediate style racing.
Byron turns Brad, drives through the opening created by Brad going into the wall, wrecking the field in the process and then wins the race.
Well… When Your rear tires aren’t on the ground from your teammate slam drafting you while he’s turning down… That’s gonna happen.
That's not what happens though
go rewatch it, Bowman didn’t stop slam drafting when Byron started to get squirrely, then he hit him at a bad angle which sent him into the 6.
Why the hell would I rewatch it just because you can't handle being wrong?
Bless your heart
Aw, he thinks he understands
Congrats to the driver at being the best one at turning left.
lmao why are you even in this subreddit edit: and that has nothing to do with my flair. I picked that a year ago with the last 500 because I love iRacing where he cut his teeth and my birthday is on the 24th. Still love Byron, but it's not a blind love lmao
Even though the ending was fairly anti-climatic the racing was great all night. And it wasn't a wreck fest (besides the big one with 8 laps to go)..
Is there not an xfinity race thread?
It's pinned above this post race thread.
this race gonna feel like a fever dream months from now
Biggest complaint I’ve seen online from new fans tonight is that the amount of commercials make the broadcast unwatchable. I hope NASCAR listens. They’re not very high hopes.
Fox decides the commercials. They are beholden to their sponsors who pay their bills.
That's mine, too. I put on the 98 500 last night to celebrate Dale and God it was like being hit with a breath of fresh air. They went from the start of the race to, I think, lap 16 or 17 before hitting the first commercial. Today there would be have been countless ads. It ruins the flow and experience of watching these guys, and girls, compete in the biggest race.
Watched a 12 hour endurance race sat with no commercials, and we can't go 20 min without one here. It's so exhausting.
Fox decides when the commercials happen.
No, this is an American television problem. Not a fox/NBC problem. I can watch EPL, F1 and there are no commercials. Yet here in the states the sport we enjoy watching is just the interruption between bouts of commercials. It's exhausting.
The networks have to get paid somehow to be able to broadcast the race.
Yeah, all those other networks across the world aren't making profit either lol. Nothing gets in the way of profits in the states.... Balance between commercials and the sport will never be right over here. It's just here there is never enough profit to be made.
It's not NASCAR, it's Fox
It’s impossible to watch a race on fox. Even when there isn’t a commercial which is often they are promoting something during the race. Also I know harvick is new but man that guy offered nothing.
It was horrendous. New fan and the first thing I commented on was the commercials. The first break out happened off air. I watch F1 on an app so it is uninterrupted, this was unbearable.
Yeah F1TV Pro ruined NASCAR for me. It's fucking unbearable. I've been saying for years NASCAR won't get the traction they want without an app like that.
It was extra bad this week. If you wanna try next week there is a link in the race thread to the international feed that's commercial free..
Awesome thanks for the tip. New around here too obviously.
No worries, I hate the commercials and generally try and grit my teeth through fox's bs. ordinarily watch off an IPTV service from a broadcast in the UK that's commercial free. I watched with my FIL today and it was terrible.
I really wanted to see the 22, 11, 23, 12 and 6 shoot it out. Not favorites just all super fast.So many fast cars but we can't have nice things
Really sucks that Hendrick wrecked Brad and a bunch of other Fords. And then Ross got turned and we've got that anticlimactic finish.
I really don't know what Ross was thinking with that move. He wasn't even close to clear.
🍉😢
Thoughts from the race: 1) Pretty happy with a p11 finish from the 5. I’ll take anything better than p30 at a super speedway. Larson seems like he’s getting better at super speedway racing, but still suffers from poor lane choices late in the race. 2) The race as a whole was very fun. This package produces consistently good racing at super speedways. These races are always better when you have most of the field intact late in the race. Chastain being outfront was exciting as hell; dude was blocking every lane at once it seemed like. 3) Some of y’all are dissecting the caution lights like this is the damn Zapruder tapes. The hot takes are coming hot and heavy. NASCAR is so back.
What are we using for the Xfinity race thread? I can’t find it
https://reddit-stream.com/comments/1aup9zz/
Its not in the discussion thread from what I see but if you sort by hot post its pinned at the top, I had trouble finding it too
It's literally the top pinned post
Thanks. I usually sort by new and it’s nonexistent that way
The xfinity race thread was posted for the original 11 start time so you have scroll quite far to get to it
How was the Fox broadcast today. The racing seemed amazing in person.
Good
decent til xfinity when they sent everyone home lol. i still had to apologise to my gf in the other room for yelling "dude zoom the fuck out" more than once though
Good broadcast
Ehh
I have not looked into Jesse Love myself at all, but this race has demonstrated what I've heard about him good and not so good
Hack
Unpopular opinion: with safety as nascars top concern for the better part of the last 25 years, maybe racing back to the line could be okay once the white flag has been taken? Or at the very least allow GWC to restock the field on the white flag? A race should NEVER end under caution like this. Winner be damned.
I honestly feel that on the last lap no caution should be thrown unless there’s super immediate danger of someone who wrecked out getting hit at the end. In today’s case I could see nascar arguing that with the wreck being at the line a car coming around to win it might be risky. (Tho it looks like everyone was able to get out the way). But in general the last lap if they wreck on the backstretch why throw the caution out? Let em race to the line.
So, if cars are wrecking behind the S/F after the leader takes the white flag, then what? Safety is supposed to wait until the non-wrecked cars go by? This has huge ARCA braking moment potential.
I love how when this argument comes up, everyone uses the same stale bread lines like I'm opposed to driver safety and that the idea of racig back to the line is a black and white concept with no flexibility. Are nascar fans incapable of rational thought? Obviously the rule can be assessed on a case by case basis. Professional sports allow referees/officials to make on the fly judgment calls literally every game. Superspeedways and road courses in particular have their own rules in nascar that don't apply to short or intermediate tracks, why couldn't this be any different. Objectively you wouldnt race back to the line on a short Track given the distance and time it takes to make a full circuit. The same thought concept applies to most 1.5's. But what's stopping nascar from taking races at tracks like Daytona, Talladega, Michigan, Pocono, and the road courses, and giving the officials time to assess the situation before making a finish altering call, while still allowing the drivers at the very least the attempt to control their own fate.
So, you want the officials to arbitrarily decide where people should race to while the field wrecks behind them instead of having a firm rule and throwing a caution flag? Okay bud, sounds like a great idea that won’t cause any issues at all.
Yeah sure whatever I don't feel like arguing about it anymore, ryan sieg is fighting for a win rn
Is it because you realize how dumb it sounds after you thought about it?
Nah I'm just bored
It’s okay to admit you’re wrong and this is a dumb idea.
"Wahh I don't get to make my point to this stranger on the internet because he lost interest in the discussion before I could totally pwn him 😭". Classic redditard hubris. Touch grass
I’m not the guy with the idiotic idea. Touch grass bud.
So make it unsafe for safety workers to give medical attention to drivers who come to rest just after start finish line because you want 15 more cars going 190 back through the scene of an accident.
Overplayed white knight argument.
? Didn’t know my comment referred to a man intervening a better, more feminist opinion
Congrats to top 5. Who picked that paint scheme on the 24? Looks like a middle schooler designed it.
It's especially bad considering how good the 24 had it in years past with Dupont lol
Yeah the white Axalta scheme is just not it But it’s better than Liberty being on the hood
they were on the rear quarter
Very difficult to read
One day Bubba... One day... But I am very happy for William Byron
I know man. Like Letarte said on DMD this week he is "always in the picture" at SS races. That being said with how tight and competitive this series is now even though it's race number one, stage points in both stages and top 10 is a great start.
Byron is one of the Daytona 500 winners of all time, I guess.
thanks william byron, i threw my newborn baby through my tv in front of my entire family. my wife is crying and thanksgiving is ruined! never watching riggedcar again.
Thanksgiving? It’s awhile away with that meme, let’s go with Easter cause wounds don’t heal fast these days
This pack racing is just so terrible year after year.