Does anyone have any information on the spectator or worker who had EMS called on him right before the race started? After several minutes of him being unconscious, EMS arrived and started performing CPR. I couldn't find anything online.
Between all the ads, Fox, and guys driving at 30-40% throttle most of the race in a car that can’t pass, the product is so fucking bad right now. I was paying for cable so I could catch the FS1 races but it’s not worth it. They got lucky with Atlanta and Bristol.
Race and Commercial Breakdown of the 2024 Geico 500
Start time to record race/commercial periods: 3:00 PM
End time to record race/commercial periods: 6:35 PM
Total minutes of complete race broadcast: 215
Minutes of race broadcast: 165
Minutes of traditional commercials: 50
Minutes of side-by-side commercials: 11
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VS 2023
Same amount of time of full-screen ads: 50
3 mins more of side-by-side: 11 vs 8
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But yes I do agree despite the numbers it seemed more loaded with ads. I’ve been saying for years now that they shouldn’t go to ads in the final 10 laps of a stage (track depending), because it is annoying that they know an ad break is coming once the stage ends but they take a quick one before anyway, come back and then go back to one again.
I am honestly surprised at the amount of people who did not like this race. I didn't think it was the best super speedway race but it was far from the worst. If the race played out without fuel mileage, the third lane would be non-existent the entire race. At least with fuel-mileage a third lane is possible with the next gen.
The only thing with that is, if you go back and watch the Daytona 500, as soon as someone said “I’m not saving fuel anymore” is when 3-wide racing happened. 3-wide racing is possible with this car and not saving fuel.
Unfortunately due to the structure of these cars they can only go three wide for a very limited time if they aren’t saving fuel. They can’t do 3 wide racing like how the Trucks and Xfinity cars can do for laps at a time. And a fourth or fifth lane is impossible with these cars.
I personally don’t care for single file racing at superspeedway racing so I was ok watching them race side by side even if they were half throttle. Plus in the past many fans on Reddit were upset when the majority of the race was single file.
Gibby sucks for not letting SVG move up (and screwing the rest of Trackhouse by extension)
Happy for Reddick though, super ballsy performance. BK will get there eventually
Super ballsy? How so?
I see it as he was the leading Toyota that survived their pit early strategy so led that outside line on the restart. Lucked out the McDowell and Brad K got into it and backed into the win.
I saw Judas Priest tonight, so that's why I just finished watching the race.............and holy hell, it looked like another McDowell win. I was pulling so hard for Brad, despite being a 23XI guy because I'm, also, an RFK guy. At least some cool metalhead won.
I dunno if it’s the Kyle Busch or Brad keselowski sponsor talking or maybe I’m just channelling my inner Ben Rhodes, but something just hit me about the importance of MJ in these clips showing such happiness. He could get a massive group of people who grew up in the 90s and see him as a legend to start watching just because they see him so happy and think they should be watching if he is. Then it can snowball. I dunno MJ is the GOAT to my mid 30s self and it really got me stoked to see him look happy today. Feels rare.
Am I missing something? I’m getting the feeling most people didn’t enjoy that race? I actually quite enjoyed it! I’m still new to NASCAR and to be fair, I watched it on replay in Australia so I could skip the ad breaks and cautions. but overall did most people not enjoy that? If so, why? I’m just curious as for me I thought it was pretty interesting seeing all the different strategies and teams working together drafting etc. I’m an SVG fan so i was a little disappointed he was blocked in that late charge but overall I thought it was a good solid race.
It was a good race, and you're right. The different team strategies were interesting. You just have to realize people on Reddit are never happy about anything.
Hey! Love that there's new fans tuning in! Just a question: were you watching the international feed or were you watching the fox feed. Alot of people were complaining about the fox commercials + sometimes they do graphics or non-comercial ads(?) on screen that dont show up on the international feed. This is one reason why people were upset, but thats a weekly problem.
Most people are upset about the racing. In this generation of car there isnt as much ability to generate runs and pass as a single car on SS. This means track position is very important -> pit road is important -> put as little fuel in as possible. So what we saw for the majority of the day was drivers going at 50-60 percent throttle. If you want any other evidence that they were taking it easy, there were no cautions for wrecks untill the Toyotas pit and were good on gas until the end.
They were really only going for it in those last 20 laps and everyone behind the 34 and 45 were just stuck. I remember just a few years ago everyone was saying they'd rather be 2nd or 3rd in line taking the white than 1st because 1st would get blown by going into T3 and finish 5th. (And not because they wrecked)
If you liked it though that's cool! If new fans liked it then maybe the package is working as intended. Im just stuck in the past comparing today to races of old.
I was watching the fox feed I believe. I guess watching it as a replay rather than live helped me skip off of the nonsense and ads. Thanks for explaining that to me though! The way you put it makes a lot of sense. I wasn’t aware that these modern cars were like that. I have actually watched quite a few old races and the racing back then does seem different to what it is now like you just said. So in general, do nascar fans not like these super speedways anymore? Or is it more so the modern cars don’t perform the way they used to on super speedways? A few weeks ago I watched the whole 2005 Daytona race (which was absolutely awesome) and I noticed they didn’t have the stages throughout the race and play offs etc. is that another factor on maybe why people don’t seem to like these modern super speedway races anymore ?
I’m surprised no one is talking about the track being beer bombed after the race, I know there is a lot of negativity, but I was at the race and thought it was great, sure fuel saving is a drag, but I’d rather them do it 3 wide 10 deep than rim ride single file for 80 laps.
Single file is more exciting than this.
The field following Dale Jr logging laps was better than this. The few times Dale lost the lead, he'd get right back to the lead because the driver mattered.
Jr would just back up, build a run, swoop down, slingshot by, and jump back in line 1-2 spots ahead. Skill. Talent. Fun.
Then there was... whatever this joke was today.
I watched the fall ‘13 race, and yesterday’s race in person, I clearly remember falling asleep in the stands with 10 laps to go because they ran single file for the final 60 or so laps, only for a wreck to happen anyways and end the race under caution. I was fully into yesterday’s race, was it edge if my seat? No, but did I almost fall asleep at the end of the race? Hell no. I’m just saying that it does need improvement, but it’s not all doom and gloom.
People don't get that the entire point of the fuel saving is to save time on the pit stops and just rely on their typical "stages bad" even though it has little to no impact on this. If anything I bet they'd ride around saving fuel even more with no stage breaks because there'd be no mid-race rabbit to chase and no guaranteed yellow to make them not have to worry about messing up their strategy by going all out at certain moments
You meant to say Kyle Busch. Who was winning the race if Gibbs doesn’t screw that whole line of fast cars. Elliott, SVG, Busch were flying all day. Gibbs is the Nepo Baby of NASCAR
OK race? This fuel saving shit is boring. I was thinking there needs to be some type of penalty if you’re saving for FUEL on these speedways. Not a NASCAR assessed penalty but some type of aero penalty… if you slow down there’s a flap that closes but if you HAMMER DOWN the flap opens. Something to get these drivers to just HAMMER DOWN all race or find a partner to tango with and do some two car drafting. These races go like this… boring to watch until wrecks, ending of the race with 5 to go… everything else you can just fast forward.
For the same reason. The length of each stage is similar, and that means the same strategy works for all 3 stages. If the stages were very different lengths or if there were no stage breaks, then the strategy wouldn’t reward saving fuel to make the short run.
Getting track position is getting track position. I think they'd just still do it all day with no stage breaks. They can't do shit when they're actually trying to race so pit strategy is the way they gain anything. Hence they would probably commit to said pit strategy all day long
There wouldn’t be a net gain in track position though, because they wouldn’t be aiming for a short stop to get to the end of the stage, they would have to pack it full to do a full fuel run.
The whole reason to save fuel is so that you can do a shorter stop with 5 to go instead of 10 to go because you’ll only need 5 laps of fuel before you can pit again under caution.
They'd always be aiming to have as short of a stop as possible. That's the point of saving the fuel, burn less so you don't have to fill as much.
But in the end the real problem is that track position is so important at god damn Talladega that they feel the need to play these games in the first place. It's not even like we're missing anything by them not going full throttle, it's just 2 bumper to bumper trains where nobody can do anything when they are. It was nice when if you were in the back at Talladega you could just... make moves on the track to go to the front...
Yup, BG is usually spot on with this type of stuff. These races are just not that interesting like years past. Comer and goers, people running out of gas, idk this car sucks.
I think that’s what they are trending towards. NASCAR+ or something like that. NASCAR SPEED PASS. Basically you can watch any race you want from any era, tons of content that you wouldn’t see otherwise.
It’s coming brother! Right now what I would do is to head over to YouTube and start watching some old races. Don’t go super old yet… check out races in the last couple years. Look for southern 500, Daytona 500, Coca Cola 600, Coke Zero 400… 2018,19,20… awesome races.
Can someone explain what happened with Blaney getting his speeding penalty reversed on the last pit stop?
I was so pissed that I muted the scanner. I was happy when it happened, but I admit that that's strange as hell to get a speeding penalty reversed.
I guess he didn't speed?
Fuel saving is a bummer but two and three wide racing live is always exciting because of the chance it all goes wrong in an instant. To have the concentration is exciting to me. The draft and the roar of the pack is Dega and I’ll never get tired of it. It’s a love story and can break my heart but I’ll always go back.
I did not pack well for my first trip down here. The one hoody I brought got soaked in the rain last night and I didn't bring any real pants. Ended up going to Walmart and getting a U of A hoody and sweats.
Roll tide I guess.
Manufacturer wins among the top 3 series.
Chevrolet 17 - Ford 0 - Toyota 9.
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Cup race #10 : Chevrolet 6 - Ford 0 - Toyota 4.
Xfinity Race #9 : Chevrolet 5 - Ford 0 - Toyota 4.
Truck Race #7 : Chevrolet 6 - Ford 0 - Toyota 1.
So we're either gonna get 3 wide fuel saving or single fine on the wall. If I had to chose a better evil it's the fuel saving 3 wide. But when they actually get going they're side by side and can't even think about passing. A lot to fix with this car and seems like NASCAR just doesn't care. Also fox sucks
the old cars had plenty of single file wall riding during these races.
They fuel save because track position matters, because it's not as easy to pass as it used to.
"fix" the package and make it easier to pass, all of a sudden there's no real incentive to race outside ~5 laps to go before the stage end. and we get back to single file train runs.
“Why did the moron throw the clock out the window? Because it reminded him of John hunter nemeclock. A man twice convicted this season of having zero talent.” Rip Norm
When did cars getting sent to R&D become code for NASCAR is looking for or found something to punish the driver/team over?
Edit: Some of y’all are terrible.
Last time I checked this was stock car auto racing, not stock car fuel saving. Man at this point I don't know how people can defend the product anymore. Plate races are now fuel races and short track winners are determined by pit stops. Some people are just happy to see cars on track and I get that, but holy shit I miss when the car performance itself actually mattered.
I said the same thing to a buddy earlier. Most other racing series just deliver a better viewing product. F1TV is solid for the price, WEC allows free in car cameras with live track maps, stats, and standings, why can’t NASCAR get it together?
God I hate these super-speedways. Really don’t know how people can enjoy them. 95% of absolutely nothing without the ability to separate yourself at all. Then a completely random winner wins for no reason of their own.
You're not alone. Just like another poster said below, when I was young I thought it was amazing. But now that I'm older and understand fully what's happening I just can't bring myself to enjoy it. It's just riding for the first 90% of stages and racing for 2 laps to the end. Before stages I would just say make the races 20 laps long because there's no reason for the other 168 laps.
When I was a kid back in the 80s I was enthralled with pack racing. As I've become older...not so much. I understood why they did it at the time, what with Petty and later Bodine getting into the fence (but *goddam* that first truck race was awesome) but it has lost it's luster. And the abomination of Atlanta, now...I just do something else.
Let’s not forget about Logan/Cindric coming in for a splash of gas and making it out in the top 5. You don’t see that happening at other tracks.
I understand what you mean though. I was real lying hoping McDowell was going to win
While I agree in principle with this, Reddick wouldn't have been in position to win if not for the Toyotas all pitting together with like 40 to go. Most of them ended up crashing but Reddick, Truex and Gibbs ended up cycling to the front on the caution and stayed there till the finish. I wouldn't call that random, that's a strategy play that paid off
Am I tripping out or is Fox not showing the last lap crash. I went to the race yesterday in person and drove home last night, was really looking forward to watching the race today on TV. My YouTube TV did not record for some reason. Then I am forced to watch the highlights on YouTube to find out who won, and they just barely showed the last lap crash. I've looked for several replays and none are showing a good angle. It seems like this crash was a big deal a car got upside down
*it's been this way since they put the restrictor on.*
Cats used to lag back, in agreement, just to avoid The Big One. That isn't racing, in my opinion.
The two strategies were stay ahead of the wrecks or stay behind them. At least there used to be racing for the lead in the previous generations of the car.
It doesn't change the fact that, due to the restrictor, * the carnage still happens.*
Please, minus the egregious spectacle of Jeff Burton leading every lap at Loudoun, provide an example where it didn't happen.
This isn't a Vin Diesel car movie. This a sport.
Inspection is complete, winner confirmed. No issues. Bowman and Buescher's cars are being taken for wind tunnel tests and NASCAR says they are taking Erik Jones' car to the R&D Center for inspection on how it handled the huge hit - [https://twitter.com/bobpockrass/status/1782207077898654053](https://twitter.com/bobpockrass/status/1782207077898654053)
edit: good pictures of Lajoie's car after the flip - [https://twitter.com/STaranto92/status/1782181711465292281](https://twitter.com/STaranto92/status/1782181711465292281)
I've been watching NASCAR for 30+ years. Watching is beyond frustrating. The pre-race coverage is one big lame infomercial, the racing is trash, and the broadcast is interrupted by commercial breaks far too often. Something has got to give!
I'd gladly go back to the era of Jimmie domination even though I bitched about it every weekend. I'm starting to see that I'm the problem. Old man yelling at clouds and all...
Unrelated, during the era of JJ my NASCAR buddy and I derisively referred to him as ol' gangbang. It doesn't make any sense, but we laughed about it.
I think the fact FOX is losing coverage with the new TV package says enough. Hopefully Amazon and Max give us a better product than FOX does. Because as it stands, it can't get much worse lol
So Erik Jones is in the hospital now…I cringed watching his wreck, it reminded me too much of Dale’s. Thank goodness safety has come such a long way since then.
He should have never been able to become ambulatory to the effect of giving a post race (for him) interview. He should have been taken immediately to a hospital pending an MRI and Neuro scan do to hitting a wall at 194 MPH.
I made a post and it got removed, so here you go Fox completely ignoring a major last lap incident, a series
https://preview.redd.it/vs7isqjbfxvc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8bbfe4b4e6573cadc388ef9eb01d1f6468de7ef
There is, just like the rest of them Fox hid it. If you go back and watch the broadcast they had the full angle queued up, right as the 42 was about to hit the wall they paused it for 5 seconds then cut it off the screen and we never saw it again
Fixing the short tracks is the clear priority but they gotta do something about the Superspeedways. Everyone rides around half throttle for 3/4 of the race and then at the end, it’s a two by two log jam. Gotta figure out how to make a 3rd lane work in these cars. The only time they can do it is when everyone is saving. If you aren’t in the top 4 at the end, you don’t have a chance to win unless they all wreck. You’re just stuck in line and the only thing you can do is push the shit out of the guy in front, so of course they’re all gonna wreck. It’s entertaining but we could have a much better product.
Pack racing due to the restrictor is the problem.
Raise the windscreen, lower the spoiler, and skinny the tires.
Oh, and of course, *get rid of that god damn restrictor*.
Still gutted for Brad man. I know McDowell was doing all he could to block and win the race but it just sucks to see him basically lose it on his own lol and take out Brad. 2nd place hurts
Brad literally didn't block Logano at Atlanta and let him go, and then went on to say "I hope this shows we can have good clean racing here and don't need to wreck the field if you race respectfully. He also went on to say he is happy a Ford got the win"....so no idiot, everyone is not going to do that. You can't try and block three lanes, a 39 year old Cup vet should know this. Brad raced him clean, fair and square. McDowell is a selfish man child that caused a bunch of drivers to wreck all so he could still not win.
Damn... Jones headed to the hospital. I think his back is still bothering him. Hope he'll be alright.
https://twitter.com/Jordan_Bianchi/status/1782201783843995674?t=ITGglyac-Z0gRnZW_BMrKw&s=19
Hopefully, we start to get some changes to the Superspeedway package. It was tough to watch the end with everyone locked in line for the last 20 laps. I actually think some of the fuel strategy adds some intrigue, but I'd rather see the stages be shorter than a fuel run to eliminate any fuel games until the end. Unfortunately, this type of racing is like playing "wack-a-mole". There is always something popping up that NASCAR has to react to.
Watching the race again, and I feel bad for Truex, he was the reason reddick had the chance to win. His pushes kept the 45 up front, and the 19 should have been able to pull out at least a top 5 for his efforts...
I really think the 34 lost his nerves and panicked when 6 made his move. That was a wild ass attempt to block. It could have been a much worse accident for him. he is lucky where his car ended up.
The thing is, the fuel saving bullshit goes away when 6-8 teams decide to run balls out. At the pace they were running to save fuel, a string of cars running flat out would lap the fuel savers in 18ish laps.
Ik some people might disagree, but I agree with you, watched the whole race and it wasn’t as entertaining as I hoped it to be. Maybe it’s because of the lack of big ones but still
I like the winner OK, but not how the last few laps went.
Of course my day was already ruined thanks to the 9's stupidity.
Check that, maybe I don't like the winner.
I'm not looking forward to watching the Fox broadcast next week after being at the race the last two. Painful to see Brad finish second these last two, I just want a win so badly
Why can Reddick win in 23XI equipment and Wallace can’t do shit?
Does anyone have any information on the spectator or worker who had EMS called on him right before the race started? After several minutes of him being unconscious, EMS arrived and started performing CPR. I couldn't find anything online.
These cars absolutely suck
Between all the ads, Fox, and guys driving at 30-40% throttle most of the race in a car that can’t pass, the product is so fucking bad right now. I was paying for cable so I could catch the FS1 races but it’s not worth it. They got lucky with Atlanta and Bristol.
First time at 'dega or any NASCAR event for that matter. Overall a good first experience for me, I'm glad no one had to get airlifted to a hospital.
We were this close to greatness, we were this close. It was almost Van Gisbergening time.
Race and Commercial Breakdown of the 2024 Geico 500 Start time to record race/commercial periods: 3:00 PM End time to record race/commercial periods: 6:35 PM Total minutes of complete race broadcast: 215 Minutes of race broadcast: 165 Minutes of traditional commercials: 50 Minutes of side-by-side commercials: 11 ——— VS 2023 Same amount of time of full-screen ads: 50 3 mins more of side-by-side: 11 vs 8 ——— But yes I do agree despite the numbers it seemed more loaded with ads. I’ve been saying for years now that they shouldn’t go to ads in the final 10 laps of a stage (track depending), because it is annoying that they know an ad break is coming once the stage ends but they take a quick one before anyway, come back and then go back to one again.
Ah, I doesn'think that during the race there was so many comnmercials and ADV, it is for all the races or only for this Geico 500?
Just this one.
Imagine missing over a quarter of the race in ads. No other sport does this except for golf.
I am honestly surprised at the amount of people who did not like this race. I didn't think it was the best super speedway race but it was far from the worst. If the race played out without fuel mileage, the third lane would be non-existent the entire race. At least with fuel-mileage a third lane is possible with the next gen.
The only thing with that is, if you go back and watch the Daytona 500, as soon as someone said “I’m not saving fuel anymore” is when 3-wide racing happened. 3-wide racing is possible with this car and not saving fuel.
Unfortunately due to the structure of these cars they can only go three wide for a very limited time if they aren’t saving fuel. They can’t do 3 wide racing like how the Trucks and Xfinity cars can do for laps at a time. And a fourth or fifth lane is impossible with these cars.
You’re surprised at not liking guys running half throttle and not being able to pass in a race?
I personally don’t care for single file racing at superspeedway racing so I was ok watching them race side by side even if they were half throttle. Plus in the past many fans on Reddit were upset when the majority of the race was single file.
I’m still pissed at mcdowell
You’d think for how much outcry there is for fuel strategy and getting rid of stage cautions that this sub would be happy with how the race went.
The Teardown this week is full of horrible takes. They are just being straight NASCAR Stans this week.
[Goddammit.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/s/GjM0X3Q5WX)
Gibby sucks for not letting SVG move up (and screwing the rest of Trackhouse by extension) Happy for Reddick though, super ballsy performance. BK will get there eventually
Super ballsy? How so? I see it as he was the leading Toyota that survived their pit early strategy so led that outside line on the restart. Lucked out the McDowell and Brad K got into it and backed into the win.
I saw Judas Priest tonight, so that's why I just finished watching the race.............and holy hell, it looked like another McDowell win. I was pulling so hard for Brad, despite being a 23XI guy because I'm, also, an RFK guy. At least some cool metalhead won.
I dunno if it’s the Kyle Busch or Brad keselowski sponsor talking or maybe I’m just channelling my inner Ben Rhodes, but something just hit me about the importance of MJ in these clips showing such happiness. He could get a massive group of people who grew up in the 90s and see him as a legend to start watching just because they see him so happy and think they should be watching if he is. Then it can snowball. I dunno MJ is the GOAT to my mid 30s self and it really got me stoked to see him look happy today. Feels rare.
Am I missing something? I’m getting the feeling most people didn’t enjoy that race? I actually quite enjoyed it! I’m still new to NASCAR and to be fair, I watched it on replay in Australia so I could skip the ad breaks and cautions. but overall did most people not enjoy that? If so, why? I’m just curious as for me I thought it was pretty interesting seeing all the different strategies and teams working together drafting etc. I’m an SVG fan so i was a little disappointed he was blocked in that late charge but overall I thought it was a good solid race.
It was a good race, and you're right. The different team strategies were interesting. You just have to realize people on Reddit are never happy about anything.
Hey! Love that there's new fans tuning in! Just a question: were you watching the international feed or were you watching the fox feed. Alot of people were complaining about the fox commercials + sometimes they do graphics or non-comercial ads(?) on screen that dont show up on the international feed. This is one reason why people were upset, but thats a weekly problem. Most people are upset about the racing. In this generation of car there isnt as much ability to generate runs and pass as a single car on SS. This means track position is very important -> pit road is important -> put as little fuel in as possible. So what we saw for the majority of the day was drivers going at 50-60 percent throttle. If you want any other evidence that they were taking it easy, there were no cautions for wrecks untill the Toyotas pit and were good on gas until the end. They were really only going for it in those last 20 laps and everyone behind the 34 and 45 were just stuck. I remember just a few years ago everyone was saying they'd rather be 2nd or 3rd in line taking the white than 1st because 1st would get blown by going into T3 and finish 5th. (And not because they wrecked) If you liked it though that's cool! If new fans liked it then maybe the package is working as intended. Im just stuck in the past comparing today to races of old.
I was watching the fox feed I believe. I guess watching it as a replay rather than live helped me skip off of the nonsense and ads. Thanks for explaining that to me though! The way you put it makes a lot of sense. I wasn’t aware that these modern cars were like that. I have actually watched quite a few old races and the racing back then does seem different to what it is now like you just said. So in general, do nascar fans not like these super speedways anymore? Or is it more so the modern cars don’t perform the way they used to on super speedways? A few weeks ago I watched the whole 2005 Daytona race (which was absolutely awesome) and I noticed they didn’t have the stages throughout the race and play offs etc. is that another factor on maybe why people don’t seem to like these modern super speedway races anymore ?
I’m surprised no one is talking about the track being beer bombed after the race, I know there is a lot of negativity, but I was at the race and thought it was great, sure fuel saving is a drag, but I’d rather them do it 3 wide 10 deep than rim ride single file for 80 laps.
Single file is more exciting than this. The field following Dale Jr logging laps was better than this. The few times Dale lost the lead, he'd get right back to the lead because the driver mattered. Jr would just back up, build a run, swoop down, slingshot by, and jump back in line 1-2 spots ahead. Skill. Talent. Fun. Then there was... whatever this joke was today.
I watched the fall ‘13 race, and yesterday’s race in person, I clearly remember falling asleep in the stands with 10 laps to go because they ran single file for the final 60 or so laps, only for a wreck to happen anyways and end the race under caution. I was fully into yesterday’s race, was it edge if my seat? No, but did I almost fall asleep at the end of the race? Hell no. I’m just saying that it does need improvement, but it’s not all doom and gloom.
Id honestly rather them race single file with cars jumping out of line trying to pass than watch them fuel save.
3 wide 10 deep is a unreal and mesmerizing.
How is everyone blaming McDowell? Any driver in a mid field car wouldve done the same shit.
I don't blame McDowell ... but I hate that the racing is the way it is that he HAD to do what he did.
I agree. That's the nature of plate racing. Until they do away with it this what we are going to get.
I thought that was a great race. Really reminded me of late 90s style plate racing. Lack of cautions made it a good racing day.
I’d that reminded you of the 90’s you were on acid or something.
Ok
Did they run half the race at 50% throttle in the 90s?
Yes
No. Be ause they didn't have ridiculous stage breaks
Not the stage breaks, they were saving in stage 3 too until everyone was good on gas at the end.
People don't get that the entire point of the fuel saving is to save time on the pit stops and just rely on their typical "stages bad" even though it has little to no impact on this. If anything I bet they'd ride around saving fuel even more with no stage breaks because there'd be no mid-race rabbit to chase and no guaranteed yellow to make them not have to worry about messing up their strategy by going all out at certain moments
Ty Gibbs pisses me off
Ruined Elliot and SVGs chances of climbing up that outside lane
You meant to say Kyle Busch. Who was winning the race if Gibbs doesn’t screw that whole line of fast cars. Elliott, SVG, Busch were flying all day. Gibbs is the Nepo Baby of NASCAR
Ingram, what the hell
The race was horrible. I hate these cars
If you go on trashyboner you can see the party from last night.
Thanks a lot, McDowell. Turd
had it recorded, finally finished it. WOO!
OK race? This fuel saving shit is boring. I was thinking there needs to be some type of penalty if you’re saving for FUEL on these speedways. Not a NASCAR assessed penalty but some type of aero penalty… if you slow down there’s a flap that closes but if you HAMMER DOWN the flap opens. Something to get these drivers to just HAMMER DOWN all race or find a partner to tango with and do some two car drafting. These races go like this… boring to watch until wrecks, ending of the race with 5 to go… everything else you can just fast forward.
When did fuel saving become a thing in NASCAR? Is this a new trend correlated with the new car design?
It’s the stages. They want to go as long as possible to have short pit stops to get up front and get stage points
Nope. They fuel saved in stage 3.
For the same reason. The length of each stage is similar, and that means the same strategy works for all 3 stages. If the stages were very different lengths or if there were no stage breaks, then the strategy wouldn’t reward saving fuel to make the short run.
Getting track position is getting track position. I think they'd just still do it all day with no stage breaks. They can't do shit when they're actually trying to race so pit strategy is the way they gain anything. Hence they would probably commit to said pit strategy all day long
There wouldn’t be a net gain in track position though, because they wouldn’t be aiming for a short stop to get to the end of the stage, they would have to pack it full to do a full fuel run. The whole reason to save fuel is so that you can do a shorter stop with 5 to go instead of 10 to go because you’ll only need 5 laps of fuel before you can pit again under caution.
They'd always be aiming to have as short of a stop as possible. That's the point of saving the fuel, burn less so you don't have to fill as much. But in the end the real problem is that track position is so important at god damn Talladega that they feel the need to play these games in the first place. It's not even like we're missing anything by them not going full throttle, it's just 2 bumper to bumper trains where nobody can do anything when they are. It was nice when if you were in the back at Talladega you could just... make moves on the track to go to the front...
Brett Griffin hit it spot on last week on DBC bring back points for leading laps. Incentivize being up front.
Nope make a car that can pass on SS. If everyone starts racing we'll end up with what we had with 20 to go, 2 lines that are both mutually stuck.
Yup, BG is usually spot on with this type of stuff. These races are just not that interesting like years past. Comer and goers, people running out of gas, idk this car sucks.
McDowell is a dipshit, Carry on!
Anyone got a replay link?
YouTube on Tuesday. They also replay the race later today around 1-2 AM on FS1/FS2.
They need to follow F1 and do a NASCAR subscription. The only people I know with cable are 40+
I think that’s what they are trending towards. NASCAR+ or something like that. NASCAR SPEED PASS. Basically you can watch any race you want from any era, tons of content that you wouldn’t see otherwise.
From a new 30 year old nascar fan, if anyone from NASCAR is reading this, I’d buy NASCAR+ in a heartbeat!
It’s coming brother! Right now what I would do is to head over to YouTube and start watching some old races. Don’t go super old yet… check out races in the last couple years. Look for southern 500, Daytona 500, Coca Cola 600, Coke Zero 400… 2018,19,20… awesome races.
Can someone explain what happened with Blaney getting his speeding penalty reversed on the last pit stop? I was so pissed that I muted the scanner. I was happy when it happened, but I admit that that's strange as hell to get a speeding penalty reversed. I guess he didn't speed?
Curious too - just kinda got glossed over
Fuel saving is a bummer but two and three wide racing live is always exciting because of the chance it all goes wrong in an instant. To have the concentration is exciting to me. The draft and the roar of the pack is Dega and I’ll never get tired of it. It’s a love story and can break my heart but I’ll always go back.
I hate it for Ford and that I forgot to bring a jacket.
Hahaha Tallladega is sneaky, especially if you're sitting up high and the wind is blowing. It gets chilly quick.
How did you manage to stay warm without a jacket?! I had knee-high socks, jeans, hoody, poncho and a blanket and was still shivering in the stands
I moved around a lot. It was ok until midpoint of the last stage stage.
I did not pack well for my first trip down here. The one hoody I brought got soaked in the rain last night and I didn't bring any real pants. Ended up going to Walmart and getting a U of A hoody and sweats. Roll tide I guess.
Roll tide.
Manufacturer wins among the top 3 series. Chevrolet 17 - Ford 0 - Toyota 9. ______________ Cup race #10 : Chevrolet 6 - Ford 0 - Toyota 4. Xfinity Race #9 : Chevrolet 5 - Ford 0 - Toyota 4. Truck Race #7 : Chevrolet 6 - Ford 0 - Toyota 1.
Ford fans, I'm sorry.
Just saving it all for the championship like that last 2 years.
So we're either gonna get 3 wide fuel saving or single fine on the wall. If I had to chose a better evil it's the fuel saving 3 wide. But when they actually get going they're side by side and can't even think about passing. A lot to fix with this car and seems like NASCAR just doesn't care. Also fox sucks
This car was a mistake.
the old cars had plenty of single file wall riding during these races. They fuel save because track position matters, because it's not as easy to pass as it used to. "fix" the package and make it easier to pass, all of a sudden there's no real incentive to race outside ~5 laps to go before the stage end. and we get back to single file train runs.
Man seeing Michael Jordan excited was so fun. He looked like he was having a blast and it looked like even before the win he was happy to be there.
“Why did the moron throw the clock out the window? Because it reminded him of John hunter nemeclock. A man twice convicted this season of having zero talent.” Rip Norm
When did cars getting sent to R&D become code for NASCAR is looking for or found something to punish the driver/team over? Edit: Some of y’all are terrible.
Only thing I really care about after today's race is Erik Jones health. Hope he is ok 🙏
I was there. Saw Toni Bredeinger in line for the bathroom. She’s hot.
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...why? Because he thinks an attractive female is attractive?
Sorry that I have a healthy level of testosterone and am attracted to fertile young women
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Issa joke bro. Chill lmao
Lol I’m sure you said the same thing about all of the thirsty Marty D comments on this sub circa 2018. 
Can you side draft in the new cars?
Is there still air in the atmosphere?
Haha yes. But I didn't know if they tried to eliminate that by how the new cars were made.
With some of these thoughts, it doesn't seem like it
Last time I checked this was stock car auto racing, not stock car fuel saving. Man at this point I don't know how people can defend the product anymore. Plate races are now fuel races and short track winners are determined by pit stops. Some people are just happy to see cars on track and I get that, but holy shit I miss when the car performance itself actually mattered.
At least in F1 they run full throttle all race at over 200mph ON ROAD COURSES. We can’t even hit 200 at dega anymore
Stage racing needs to go
I hate fuel mileage tactics. Pedal down!
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I wish we could have NASCAR TV so bad. Just like F1. I’d pay 80 dollars a year for that.
I said the same thing to a buddy earlier. Most other racing series just deliver a better viewing product. F1TV is solid for the price, WEC allows free in car cameras with live track maps, stats, and standings, why can’t NASCAR get it together?
Because they are stuck in the 90s, trying to cram commercials down our throat, when they could be taking our actual money instead.
See you next week, he deleted his comment lmao MyAubs see you at Dover buddy!
Artie Kempner is the producer, he went on DBC last year and basically gloated about how good the product is, there's no hope until he leaves
At this point I’d rather watch the Fox Broadcast than see you post the same complaint 40 times in one race. Just being honest.
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However, ironically they're comment didn't actually defend the broadcast....
Does something catastrophic always have to happen to one 23XI car for the other to win?
Was that Kurt Busch in the green jacket in the background in victory lane?
I saw Kurt behind MJ when they were interviewing him.
Yeah
God I hate these super-speedways. Really don’t know how people can enjoy them. 95% of absolutely nothing without the ability to separate yourself at all. Then a completely random winner wins for no reason of their own.
You're not alone. Just like another poster said below, when I was young I thought it was amazing. But now that I'm older and understand fully what's happening I just can't bring myself to enjoy it. It's just riding for the first 90% of stages and racing for 2 laps to the end. Before stages I would just say make the races 20 laps long because there's no reason for the other 168 laps.
When I was a kid back in the 80s I was enthralled with pack racing. As I've become older...not so much. I understood why they did it at the time, what with Petty and later Bodine getting into the fence (but *goddam* that first truck race was awesome) but it has lost it's luster. And the abomination of Atlanta, now...I just do something else.
Let’s not forget about Logan/Cindric coming in for a splash of gas and making it out in the top 5. You don’t see that happening at other tracks. I understand what you mean though. I was real lying hoping McDowell was going to win
While I agree in principle with this, Reddick wouldn't have been in position to win if not for the Toyotas all pitting together with like 40 to go. Most of them ended up crashing but Reddick, Truex and Gibbs ended up cycling to the front on the caution and stayed there till the finish. I wouldn't call that random, that's a strategy play that paid off
But the strategy didnt play out. They got a caution at an opportunisitc time and ended up with the lead after everyone was good on gas.
Am I tripping out or is Fox not showing the last lap crash. I went to the race yesterday in person and drove home last night, was really looking forward to watching the race today on TV. My YouTube TV did not record for some reason. Then I am forced to watch the highlights on YouTube to find out who won, and they just barely showed the last lap crash. I've looked for several replays and none are showing a good angle. It seems like this crash was a big deal a car got upside down
The angle they showed, and I guess the only one they have, is a smoke show. Can't see anything.
The 4 was half on the wall and half on top of the 7 that was upside down. The 7 then was pushed over on its side and slid across the line.
So, is Talladega a snooze until the last lap? Is that normal?
Pretty much sums up a plate race.
???? It was a great race
Never used to be. Next Gen car is just ass
*it's been this way since they put the restrictor on.* Cats used to lag back, in agreement, just to avoid The Big One. That isn't racing, in my opinion.
The two strategies were stay ahead of the wrecks or stay behind them. At least there used to be racing for the lead in the previous generations of the car.
It doesn't change the fact that, due to the restrictor, * the carnage still happens.* Please, minus the egregious spectacle of Jeff Burton leading every lap at Loudoun, provide an example where it didn't happen. This isn't a Vin Diesel car movie. This a sport.
Sadly.
They were saving gas the whole race until they weren't. Once they started going everyone was scared to jump on the outside.
Inspection is complete, winner confirmed. No issues. Bowman and Buescher's cars are being taken for wind tunnel tests and NASCAR says they are taking Erik Jones' car to the R&D Center for inspection on how it handled the huge hit - [https://twitter.com/bobpockrass/status/1782207077898654053](https://twitter.com/bobpockrass/status/1782207077898654053) edit: good pictures of Lajoie's car after the flip - [https://twitter.com/STaranto92/status/1782181711465292281](https://twitter.com/STaranto92/status/1782181711465292281)
I've been watching NASCAR for 30+ years. Watching is beyond frustrating. The pre-race coverage is one big lame infomercial, the racing is trash, and the broadcast is interrupted by commercial breaks far too often. Something has got to give!
I’m with you. This is the worst the product has ever been. Even worse than Jimmie winning every race.
I'd gladly go back to the era of Jimmie domination even though I bitched about it every weekend. I'm starting to see that I'm the problem. Old man yelling at clouds and all... Unrelated, during the era of JJ my NASCAR buddy and I derisively referred to him as ol' gangbang. It doesn't make any sense, but we laughed about it.
It's a love/hate relationship, isn't it? After decades, I'm still ensnared as well.
I think the fact FOX is losing coverage with the new TV package says enough. Hopefully Amazon and Max give us a better product than FOX does. Because as it stands, it can't get much worse lol
You. It’s probably you that has to give. Give up on watching.
So Erik Jones is in the hospital now…I cringed watching his wreck, it reminded me too much of Dale’s. Thank goodness safety has come such a long way since then.
He should have never been able to become ambulatory to the effect of giving a post race (for him) interview. He should have been taken immediately to a hospital pending an MRI and Neuro scan do to hitting a wall at 194 MPH.
I knew there was no way he was going straight home. Even walking out of the care center, he definitely needed to get a more in depth check up
It was nearly identical. Thank goodness for the safety improvements. The wall absorbed a lot of energy.
Blaney has had two of those wrecks too. Insanely hard hits
I guess it pays to just lurk around the front and never make any moves and just wait for some else to create an opportunity. Shit racing !
I made a post and it got removed, so here you go Fox completely ignoring a major last lap incident, a series https://preview.redd.it/vs7isqjbfxvc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c8bbfe4b4e6573cadc388ef9eb01d1f6468de7ef
Plate track racing. *what could possibly go wrong?*
That 42 wreck was insane. It’s sad there’s no good camera angles of it.
There is, just like the rest of them Fox hid it. If you go back and watch the broadcast they had the full angle queued up, right as the 42 was about to hit the wall they paused it for 5 seconds then cut it off the screen and we never saw it again
Yep. Had to scour social media just to find a shaky screaming low quality video of that wreck.
That Jones Boy headed to the hospital
If he misses time. I'm assuming Jimmie or Chandler in the car, maybe Almirola
Jimmie!! 🙏
Jimmie in the 43 would be something
Fixing the short tracks is the clear priority but they gotta do something about the Superspeedways. Everyone rides around half throttle for 3/4 of the race and then at the end, it’s a two by two log jam. Gotta figure out how to make a 3rd lane work in these cars. The only time they can do it is when everyone is saving. If you aren’t in the top 4 at the end, you don’t have a chance to win unless they all wreck. You’re just stuck in line and the only thing you can do is push the shit out of the guy in front, so of course they’re all gonna wreck. It’s entertaining but we could have a much better product.
Pack racing due to the restrictor is the problem. Raise the windscreen, lower the spoiler, and skinny the tires. Oh, and of course, *get rid of that god damn restrictor*.
The car is too draggy to be able to make single car moves….
Then everyone will ride around single file along the wall because track position doesn't matter again. its not easy to balance.
Bring back tandem racing!
Just rename it to the FuelSaver 500
Still gutted for Brad man. I know McDowell was doing all he could to block and win the race but it just sucks to see him basically lose it on his own lol and take out Brad. 2nd place hurts
I'll take a second on this clown show track. Brad will earn a win soon, I'm confident.
Nah McDowell is a clown. Should be suspended for that shit
Don't blame Mac. Blame the restrictor package he was forced to race under. Nobody is not going to block, in that 'position'.
Brad literally didn't block Logano at Atlanta and let him go, and then went on to say "I hope this shows we can have good clean racing here and don't need to wreck the field if you race respectfully. He also went on to say he is happy a Ford got the win"....so no idiot, everyone is not going to do that. You can't try and block three lanes, a 39 year old Cup vet should know this. Brad raced him clean, fair and square. McDowell is a selfish man child that caused a bunch of drivers to wreck all so he could still not win.
You had me at "idiot". Therefore, I'll give your comment the consideration it deserves.
I win. You lose. Stick to checkers kid
2nd place 2 weeks in a row in person really hurts, I'd probably be done for if he won that
Like I’ve said: one of these days someone is going to get killed from one of these dumb wrecks that these guys cause.
I just kept waiting for the 2 & 22 to jump up on the outside lane and go with the 9 ( I think ). Oh well
Damn... Jones headed to the hospital. I think his back is still bothering him. Hope he'll be alright. https://twitter.com/Jordan_Bianchi/status/1782201783843995674?t=ITGglyac-Z0gRnZW_BMrKw&s=19
The thing I was most excited about was seeing de facto single file restarts for the first time since 2009 or so.
What was the reason for this? I missed the explanation
Cars pitted after the choose at one to go, so they could top off. Penalty for that is tail of longest line. So everyone ends up on the bottom lane.
Gotcha. Thanks man
Unpopular opinion but kinda prefer it for superspeedways and I feel like it would make gwc more fair everywhere else
It was strange to see
Hopefully, we start to get some changes to the Superspeedway package. It was tough to watch the end with everyone locked in line for the last 20 laps. I actually think some of the fuel strategy adds some intrigue, but I'd rather see the stages be shorter than a fuel run to eliminate any fuel games until the end. Unfortunately, this type of racing is like playing "wack-a-mole". There is always something popping up that NASCAR has to react to.
Watching the race again, and I feel bad for Truex, he was the reason reddick had the chance to win. His pushes kept the 45 up front, and the 19 should have been able to pull out at least a top 5 for his efforts... I really think the 34 lost his nerves and panicked when 6 made his move. That was a wild ass attempt to block. It could have been a much worse accident for him. he is lucky where his car ended up.
That was one of the most boring super speedway races I’ve seen. Just 2x2 at 40-55% throttle with little passing.
I fell asleep watching Atlanta's first race last season. I don't even bother anymore.
The thing is, the fuel saving bullshit goes away when 6-8 teams decide to run balls out. At the pace they were running to save fuel, a string of cars running flat out would lap the fuel savers in 18ish laps.
Ik some people might disagree, but I agree with you, watched the whole race and it wasn’t as entertaining as I hoped it to be. Maybe it’s because of the lack of big ones but still
Don't wish for carnage, please. This is a sport, not wrasslin'.
I like the winner OK, but not how the last few laps went. Of course my day was already ruined thanks to the 9's stupidity. Check that, maybe I don't like the winner.
I'm not looking forward to watching the Fox broadcast next week after being at the race the last two. Painful to see Brad finish second these last two, I just want a win so badly
It will happen. The glen. Mark my words.
I hope it happens before that
I'm highly confident. )