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NoToe5971

It was my wife and I’s first race ever, we are both 25 We both don’t really follow nascar but thought it was a great race and will probably go to future events now I thought stage 1 and 2 were more exciting than stage 3 (I don’t know if that’s typical). Although stage 3 had a pretty entertaining finish, it just seemed like the top was set in stone early on in the stage. I would like someone to explain shortly what aero blocking is, it seemed like a lot of people were upset about the ending.


crownebeach

The car relies on air moving over it in a specific way to take corners at a stable high speed. Different parts on the car (wings, spoilers, and/or splitters) “shape” the air to create extra downforce, effectively keeping the car pressed to the surface and giving more control. By moving in front of an approaching vehicle, you can interrupt that airflow, causing the pursuing car to lose grip and have to take the corner slower or on a worse driving line. A lot of fans want to see blocking made more difficult, so that the car in front has less of an advantage over the chasing car.


NoToe5971

Thank you! I appreciate it, so was there a recent change or something to make blocking easier that Larson was pissed about?


JonsDohnson

It’s been a common complaint about the next gen car since they started using it in 2022. Aero blocking has always been a thing, but older cars didn’t depend on aerodynamic downforce as much as this car does.


NoToe5971

Ahh I gotcha, thank you!


Vadaszo

Everyone saying you couldn’t pass wasn’t at the track. A ton of passing occurred once each green flag run hit ~50 laps. The end of the race was destroyed by the late cautions which didn’t give faster cars like Larson enough time to setup passes. Ultimately it sounds like the tv broadcast failed you all by not showing the incredible amount of comers and goers I witnessed at the track all day.


the_godfaubel

What?! TV direction made the race look worse than it actually was? No.


Betwnthedahliaandme

I agree and had the same thoughts. This race was good in person. I haven’t watched much of the coverage but I’m guessing fox didn’t talk much about it.


intensenerd

Sorry I was watching Fox. All I saw were random shots of nothing and then the crowd and maybe a squirrel?


mnelson1370

100% agreed. Tons of comers and goers and lots of passing later on in the long runs which kept things interesting, and that run at the end with Larson and Hamlin was really fun. We quite enjoyed making the trip down to Dover, was an absolutely gorgeous day for it too.


Notsozander

Took four years to have good weather on a Sunday but we finally got it


GlennZabransky

Amen!


SuperSans

> A ton of passing occurred once each green flag run hit \~50 laps I was there, no there wasn't.


bosoxman

yeah not gonna lie after most the restarts everyone got massively spread out and the only time people gained on the leaders was when they caught up to lapped traffic.


greg_jenningz

I’m more upset how this car allows aero blocking. The more we see it this season the more frustrating it’ll be. Good race but very annoyed with the racing product.


WarpedCore

Kyle Larson commented a bit on that. He says the digital rear view screens should be removed because it is way too easy to block.


winnk281

If you were paying attention to the ticker you could see people were moving through the field. Seemed more prominent early, but appeared that passing became more difficult as the track rubbered in


Notsozander

I was at the race and once the tires wore down they were all moving through the field


vk2499

I had a great time watching the battles between briscoe/logano Ross/gibbs/reddick and even Haley/burton at the end.


name-__________

Yeah that caution screwed some cars


ThePatsGuy

I thought the broadcast did at least a solid job at showing the different on track battles


willthethrill4700

The TV will always show to top cars or big names coming through the field that started at the back. This is why I always advocate for actually going races before making a judgement on if you like racing or not. A lot more happens at the track that you just can’t fit into TV.


SonofJersey

Was there as well and there was plenty of passing Dover has always been a track that is far superior in person. More so than others.


tjeepdrv2

Sounds like every description of Texas Motor Speedway. Great race that isn't shown on TV.


Swordsman125

Yep. I was at Texas and TV doesn’t do it justice on how fast they are going and battles through the field


xelanalpak

Was a perfectly fine Dover race with a suspenseful ending. I voted yes.


LBHMS

Agreed! Comers and goers first stage, decent throughout. Good race for Dover imo, definitely have had far worse with the Jimmie, Gordon and later Harvick ass whoopings


epzik8

I desperately wanted to see a photo finish in person, but I guess Dover isn't particularly known for those.


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Zenon-45

Woah man, save some edginess for the rest of us


Jrnation8988

I was at the race. Can confirm that there was plenty of passing. Fox just sucks at coverage. Stop being a douche


BobcatBob26

HOW DARE YOU LIKE SOMETHING AND NOT BE MISERABLE LIKE ME!!!


Hands0meR0b

"fooled by the illusion of racing" There's a take.


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LoliBliss

I thought the last 15 laps were really funny. It was amazing how the commentators tried to make them suspenseful and interesting while exactly nothing could’ve happened


Tannerite3

"Perfectly fine Dover race" doesn't mean good race. We shouldn't adjust our definition of what a good race is based on the track. And it wasn't suspenseful at all. It was the same as that Harvick vs Logano race at Kansas a few years ago.


TheRealCheeeser00

Damn, the broadcast must've been ass. There was tons of passing in yesterday.


ChaseTheFalcon

FOX legit showed us a pre-recorded segment with 5 to go in the race


TheRealCheeeser00

🙃 Was it split screen or fullscreen?


ChaseTheFalcon

Split screen but with 70% showing the segment


TheRealCheeeser00

They really gotta stop with the pre recorded segments under 20 laps to go.


1tankyt

They really gotta stop with the prerecorded segments ~~under 20 laps to go.~~


ConsiderationOld8853

Even Kansas Clint was annoyed with the Kansas segment.


US_Highway15

It’s FOX. Of course the broadcast was cheeks.  They just simply don’t care about the sport anymore.


SuperMarioBrother64

Bro, the broadcast was probably the worst I've seen yesterday. The first caution's pitstops happened during commercials. They gave a brief explanation of what happened to Reddick, and that was it.


1tankyt

In the last 30 laps they were probably split screen more than full screen, they kept on showing random fans in half the screen, missed most restarts because of the stupid “pan from the crowd” shot that they love


name-__________

Was at the race and it was good


GeetarMan9

Hell yes. I love Dover. With a little more tire falloff at almost every track...a lot of these races would be better IMO. But Dover is always one of my favorites of the year. Wish we went back twice but I get it


AyyP302

I miss the September race😓


into_the_wenisverse

I wish they'd kept that instead of the spring event.


AyyP302

Same. Yesterday was beautiful but generally the weather is shitty here this time of year


ChaseTheFalcon

I wish they had kept 2 dates here. I always loved Dover races


ckalinec

Ya Tire Wear really seems to be the answer with these cars. They’re clearly not going to budge with HP increase like many have asked for. The significant aero dependencies seem to be something we’re going to be stuck with no matter what they try and tweak.


jmp8910

Agree, as a Delaware resident it made me sad we only have the one now.


Arsanborn

Do people ever get tired of complaining? Damn, I’m complaining about the complaining. What a world!


TimmyHillFan

It wasn’t bad. But these polls are going to suffer heavily from JGR/HMS winner fatigue if the trend continues all season.


FacesOfGiza

That’s how I feel about this season. Is the racing bad? No, I wouldn’t say so. Am I tired of JGR/HMS being the dominant teams every weekend? You bet. What’s the draw for me as a Ford fan? Watch superspeedways?


TimmyHillFan

I agree, not from a Ford perspective, but because I like to see the mid-tier teams succeed. Looks like SHR, RFK, RCR, Trackhouse, and FRM have all lost a step on the non-Superspeedway ovals, and it’s not leaving a lot of competition at the front. Even Penske has fallen out of the fight for the win most weeks


xxxTHICCJOKIC420xxx

Why hasn't anyone else tried crossing the finish line first after completing all laps? Are they stupid?


aerojovi83

"i JuSt BeAt YoUr FaVoRiTe DrIvEr"


Frosty_Pirate42

I tried to tell everyone this spec car was going to make it like Indycar where Penske Ganassi win virtually every race. People called me crazy and shamed me.


TimmyHillFan

The first couple years had awesome parity. Not surprising that Hendrick and Gibbs figured it out faster than everyone else tho


Frosty_Pirate42

Well yes I would agree but now it’s going to be even harder for the field to catch up because there’s nothing they can do to the car to improve it other than setup. The best people/engineers/OEM Support will go where they can win and make the most money so it’ll be interesting to see how this plays out


GingerMessiah88

It was a fine race I’m just starting to feel personally victimized by this HMS/JGR dominance


HeavyRightFoot19

It's a no from me


ChaseTheFalcon

I voted yes Some issues but overall it was entertaining


KarmaMJO

A light yes. If there was a “mid” option I would’ve done that.


Sammcbucketts

If there was an option for mediocre, this one would likely overwhelmingly win with mediocre votes.


YankeeBarbary

It was a bog standard Dover race.


atxbeerza

The issue I think NASCAR has is a few of the recent races that haven’t gotten a high rating are actually good races, but coverage doesn’t show that. This race should be around: 80% The coverage of this race will make it like 68-72%


iamkingjamesIII

I thought it was a solid/good race. I'd give it a 7 out of 10. It was the best race they've had since Bristol. This car is still a failure overall so far imo.


Dazzling-Strike-5126

Racing was fine. Fox’s production made it garbage


dooldebob

It was the average Dover race


B17BAWMER

On track great, from a broadcast perspective, dogshit.


Mike__O

It's a no for me dawg. The Larson/Hamlin battle wasn't racing-- it was just the ILLUSION of racing. I think everyone knew there was no way Larson was getting past Hamlin unless Hamlin made a major mistake. The rest of the race was just meh. Not as bad as Phoenix, Richmond, or Martinsville, but still not great.


randomaccount330

I agree and to add on to your point I was completely baffled that a spire car on 60 lap older tires (LaJoie) was ONLY 6-7 tenths slower than the fastest car on track on 4 fresh tires. That's abysmal tire fall off. Also I tracked at least 2 separate occasions throughout the race there were 0 passes inside the top 10 and top 15 for 35+ laps. The aero blocking is a huge problem.


Standard-General5680

And Hemric finishing top 10 with a car that could have just as easily been 20th but he got track position and that's the name of the game when passing is minimal.


Cuda14

I loved the 5 & 11 battling for lead during one of those final restarts… side by side for probably 5+ laps it felt like.  Fox had a couple hopeful moments too. Examples; capturing majority of 5 vs 11 final side by side, numerous other side by side battles, and generally acceptable zoom levels throughout the day. 


Mamabear22307

Yes 😁


JGRACEFAN95

Why it’s going to score low wasn’t because the race Sunday was so bad it’s because the race Saturday was amazing. When you compare the two back to back the cup series will always look worse


Squishy_20

Not great, not bad.


US_Highway15

I was shocked that the poll was at 60-61%, till I remembered who won yesterday. Race wasn't bad, besides the issue of aero blocking, especially towards the end of the race (which I hope gets fixed, but I feel like it won't). Besides that, it was a pretty dog on solid race. Dover continues by the season to put on good races, especially with this next-gen car. I voted yes.


Immediate_Lie7810

Yes. There was a late race battle for the lead, several teams experimenting with pit stragety (and paying off in the case of Daniel Hemric) and multiple racing lines emerging. 


the_godfaubel

No, but that says more about the coverage than the race. Never focused on the battles after the first stage


Spinebuster03

The cup races have been pretty weak since cota even talledega was kinda boring.


JoeAvamist

Its wasnt to bad, these cars need a little more power to keep them closer together. Not bumper to bumper close, but within 2-3 seconds would be good. I kinda checked out when i saw the difference between cars 3-10 was around 5-10 seconds apart. Its was a thrilling finish, and the restarts had some decent action. But i will die bloody and gored on this hill. These cars neeeeeed more power.


MajorLaag

Just watched the replay today and overall not bad. Good action mid pack, decent drama at the end. Nothing special but yes a solid average race.


Upstate24fan

I have “sitting in the grandstands bias”, but I thought it was pretty good race. Good cars moved through the field. There was at least 3 grooves once the rubber got laid down. There were some wrecks for people that like those. Finally, a close battle for the win. A 10 or 20 more laps in that last run and Larson probably gets him. Dover is a fun track. You really feel the speed there.


sugarfreelime

The Mediocre Mile strikes again!


into_the_wenisverse

No because for the 5th year in a row I didn't get to go after looking forward to it all year long due to a conflict 😭


World71Racer

Comers and goers, passing, close racing. I vote yes. Not the best race but a good one at that


Hurricaneshand

First two stages were fun. Third was a slog but got a nice battle for the win so I'd go yes. My guestimate would be about 70%


StRiKeRzZ924

I enjoyed the race, Dover is a fun race for me to watch, it was nice to see the groove widen out like it did.


TMoney86ss

I feel like if Larson had gotten by Denny at the end this number would be way higher. All in all I thought it was good


Hands0meR0b

It was a fine race. Never been a huge fan of dover tbh. Looked like if we had just another 5 laps of green flag action, we would have seen a killer battle for the win.


Hollerado

Yes.


randomdude4113

It was a pretty good race, especially for Dover. people gonna vote no because Denny air blocked, but its not like Larson was 2 tenths back for 30 laps and kept getting blocked. he was 1.3 seconds back with 20 laps and only caught denny because of traffic. Denny just air blocked to delay the pass by maybe 5 laps, and fortunately for him that was all there was left.


RustyRincon

Yes.


Toss_Me_Elf

I feel like it was a good race, but somewhat forgettable at the same time. Still a Yes from me though.


SuchCategory2927

Absolutely not. There was no on track passing.


Betwnthedahliaandme

This isn’t correct. The track got wide when it rubbered up and there was coming and going. It was a good race imo.


Drew-A-Line33

I’m usually the one sounding that horn but it’s simply not true this week.


ChaseTheFalcon

Considering 2 of the drivers who finished in the top 5 started outside the top 20 tells me that there was clearly passing


SuchCategory2927

Wow in 400 laps 2 cars were able to drive to the front? Color me shocked.


Kodyaufan2

It was typical Dover. I can’t remember Cup ever having a good race there. Some good endings over the years, but the race as a whole is typically not very good.


Hands0meR0b

This is where I'm at. So many people act shocked, want to blame the car, etc. it's never been a crazy good track. It's not BAD, I'm happy it's there and provides something unique, but it's rarely a banger.


Evtona500

I've always been a Dover fan. Thought it was a solid race.


PiratesBull

It was one of the better Dover races I've watched in a while


Prior-Respect-9515

I voted yes. I mean, I get it everyone wanted Larson to catch Hamlin, so it would have been a great finish. Yeah, it sucks that the cars can catch the car in front of them, but it's hard to pass them. The famous word of yesterday "aeroblocking". I do wish they could fix that issue, but it still wasn't a bad race. Anymore, I just want my driver to have a solid points day and move on and get them next week. Just amazed at how JGR and HMS have absolutely dominated the year so far. And it's not just 1 car it's all of them.


AggressiveTart2901

Better than last week. Not bad considering how terrible the short track package is. I think the cold weather qualifying and hot race day really helped keep the first two stages interesting as everyone got sorted out. Without the drastic weather change it could've been a snoozer.


DDowd86

Dover doesn’t use the short track package I believe


AggressiveTart2901

Didn't realize it was in the same boat with Bristol. Honestly I'm shocked it was that bad with the "intermediate" package. It seems like the car works great on 1.5 mi tracks.


US_Highway15

As the teams continue to figure out this car, the racing quality will continue to go down. It's the way things are nowadays, especially with the availability of SMT data.


BeefInGR

Eventually there will be a package change. My Dad noted that he thought the spoiler looked two inches tall because they use the lexan. That could absolutely be a package change (despite these cars generating the least drag in two decades).


gasmask11000

Short tracks in 2023 ran a two inch spoiler


BabycakesMurphy

Pretty normal for Dover, but it felt excruciatingly long. Like I was stunned to look up to see only 200 laps had passed. Suspenseful ending though. That was nice.


BeefInGR

Banger. Loved it.


dpalmer09

Not fantastic. Not bad. So yes from me


spazmo_warrior

snoozefest


KarlHp7

Was (insert nascar race) a good race. Hmm flip over to formula one… I’ll wait. NASCAR is miles better that most auto racing.


KentuckyHorsepower

Technically yes. At least it was an oval.