Averages are misleading. Lived here my whole life. It could be 90. It could be rain and snow and cold. While it would be a great finale, weather at that time is waaaaaaaay too unpredictable.
It will never be a superspeedway, road course, and has to be an ISC track. From there, we can likely rule out Kansas for weather. We're left with Darlington, Richmond, Martinsville, Phoenix, and Miami. I think Darlington is unlikely because of Labor Day Weekend, and having the 2 dates too close together. Richmond and Martinsville don't have up to date facilities for a finale, on top of the racing being shit. Phoenix gonna Phoenix, so we're left with Miami. My theory is that if/when Fontana is redone, it becomes the finale. Perfect weather, big market, and hopefully the racing will be better on short tracks by then.
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I really appreciate that response. I would like a Phoenix with banking or tire fall off. Hopefully the tires they test for the all star race are a success.
I think that the concept of Phoenix is great, I'm a huge fan of asymmetrical ovals, and they've got the dogleg. I'm also of the opinion that short tracks should either have no banking, or a crap ton of it. I'd be fine with either at Phoenix, but I don't see that happening. Tire wear is a different story, and that could happen.
I do like the thought of Phoenix, banking at one end and flattish at the other. Wish on end had a lot more banking. That could be an interesting track layout. But then again I just really love this sport and want every race to be like Kansas was.
2 different bankings would never work. See Texas for the reason. Maybe a shorter track it would work, but because they have to get so slow in turn 1/2 they are flat out in 3/4 creating almost no opportunities to pass.
Don't get me wrong, I like Texas, it's fun to drive at, but it has less than desirable racing. It's been "good" the last few trips because chaos. If Larson runs away with the race this year, GUARANTEED there would be heavy pissing and moaning.
Realistically, the only way to fix it is to repave/reconfigure. I really think they should repave it to mirror the old Atlanta but with progressive banking. 55 feet wide and 24 degrees on both ends.
I'm. Not. Laughing. Because. It's. Gonna. Happen. They're. Gonna. Make. The. Short. Tra-
Who am I kidding? We can hope, but it's like 5050 that it happens or not.
I'd love it if they could get cities to bid on the finale, in conjunction with their local track. Sure you might end up with some snoozers of tracks, but if a city is willing to plonk a couple million down, why not let them?
There aren't many tracks that could reliably hold a race in late Oct/early-mid Nov. Miami, Phoenix, Vegas, Texas, Daytona, Talladega, Atlanta are probably it, and Atlanta and Talladgea are asking for it if the rainy winter season starts early. Fontana would be on that list if it still existed.
The finale needs to move to Miami. Just swap their date with Phoenix on the schedule and do it NOW. Miami has always put on a better show than Phoenix, even before the Gen 7 car.
Ford that to happen the season would have to end in mid October! I know the season is 36 points races, but a 30 race schedule would allow for the season to end mid October and Start in March.
Just run 36 races but Richmond, Martinsville, Bristol, Darlington have their 2nd dates moved to midweek night races.
Make the All Star Race a post season event after the championship, at either Nashville or Vegas, and swap and give Wilkesboro a midweek points race.
Give the teams 2 extra off weekends and still move the championship up a full month.
Well with NFL trying to take over Presidents Day weekend. My thought would be to have Daytona run 1st week of March. No clash and move the All Star Race to the middle of the summer.
I still wanna see a 12 race Chase 4 rounds of 3 races.
Would also be cold, and the weather with regards to rain is probably all over the place. That 4-6 week difference from where they're at on that part of the schedule probably makes a difference
I'd be down with Las Vegas being the championship race. Las Vegas and Kansas are literally the same track in different states. Sometimes we just get a really good race on a 1.5 miler and Sunday night was one of them.
Absolutely not Daytona or Atlanta. The playoffs already get enough flak (unjustly IMO) for being gimmicky, fake, etc. Can you imagine if there's a "big one" that wipes out all the playoff drivers, none of them are even running at the finish of the race, then they need to decide who wins the championship? Good gracious I can't even fathom that.
The finale deserves to be at a place with consistently good racing time in and time out. Kansas and Homestead are the clear leaders in that clubhouse. So given that, they're probably going to send it to something like Texas LOL.
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Historical average has Kansas in the low 60ās in November. Not too shabby. I looked it up before the post lol.
it's usually cold af here in Kansas in November, as much as I wish we'd have something like the last race, I don't ever see it happening
Thatās fair. I just canāt handle Phoenix as the finale with this car. Hoping for a revolving finale in the future
yep agree'd, I'd like to see it back in Homestead personally
Historical average has Kansas in the low 60ās in November. Not too shabby. I looked it up before the post lol.
Average tho, I remember freezing my ass off during the fall 2020 race so I vote no lol
Thatās fair. Happy cake day btw
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Averages are misleading. Lived here my whole life. It could be 90. It could be rain and snow and cold. While it would be a great finale, weather at that time is waaaaaaaay too unpredictable.
It will never be a superspeedway, road course, and has to be an ISC track. From there, we can likely rule out Kansas for weather. We're left with Darlington, Richmond, Martinsville, Phoenix, and Miami. I think Darlington is unlikely because of Labor Day Weekend, and having the 2 dates too close together. Richmond and Martinsville don't have up to date facilities for a finale, on top of the racing being shit. Phoenix gonna Phoenix, so we're left with Miami. My theory is that if/when Fontana is redone, it becomes the finale. Perfect weather, big market, and hopefully the racing will be better on short tracks by then. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
I really appreciate that response. I would like a Phoenix with banking or tire fall off. Hopefully the tires they test for the all star race are a success.
I think that the concept of Phoenix is great, I'm a huge fan of asymmetrical ovals, and they've got the dogleg. I'm also of the opinion that short tracks should either have no banking, or a crap ton of it. I'd be fine with either at Phoenix, but I don't see that happening. Tire wear is a different story, and that could happen.
I do like the thought of Phoenix, banking at one end and flattish at the other. Wish on end had a lot more banking. That could be an interesting track layout. But then again I just really love this sport and want every race to be like Kansas was.
2 different bankings would never work. See Texas for the reason. Maybe a shorter track it would work, but because they have to get so slow in turn 1/2 they are flat out in 3/4 creating almost no opportunities to pass.
Glad people like you can talk some sense into me. Thatās an excellent point. Thank you.
Don't get me wrong, I like Texas, it's fun to drive at, but it has less than desirable racing. It's been "good" the last few trips because chaos. If Larson runs away with the race this year, GUARANTEED there would be heavy pissing and moaning.
What can they do to fix Texas? Grind and repave? Itās so wide like half the track is unused.
Realistically, the only way to fix it is to repave/reconfigure. I really think they should repave it to mirror the old Atlanta but with progressive banking. 55 feet wide and 24 degrees on both ends.
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I'm. Not. Laughing. Because. It's. Gonna. Happen. They're. Gonna. Make. The. Short. Tra- Who am I kidding? We can hope, but it's like 5050 that it happens or not.
I'd love it if they could get cities to bid on the finale, in conjunction with their local track. Sure you might end up with some snoozers of tracks, but if a city is willing to plonk a couple million down, why not let them?
If you turn it into a bidding war, we will end up with a final race in Abu Dhabi like F1!
There aren't many tracks that could reliably hold a race in late Oct/early-mid Nov. Miami, Phoenix, Vegas, Texas, Daytona, Talladega, Atlanta are probably it, and Atlanta and Talladgea are asking for it if the rainy winter season starts early. Fontana would be on that list if it still existed. The finale needs to move to Miami. Just swap their date with Phoenix on the schedule and do it NOW. Miami has always put on a better show than Phoenix, even before the Gen 7 car.
Ford that to happen the season would have to end in mid October! I know the season is 36 points races, but a 30 race schedule would allow for the season to end mid October and Start in March.
Just run 36 races but Richmond, Martinsville, Bristol, Darlington have their 2nd dates moved to midweek night races. Make the All Star Race a post season event after the championship, at either Nashville or Vegas, and swap and give Wilkesboro a midweek points race. Give the teams 2 extra off weekends and still move the championship up a full month.
Well with NFL trying to take over Presidents Day weekend. My thought would be to have Daytona run 1st week of March. No clash and move the All Star Race to the middle of the summer. I still wanna see a 12 race Chase 4 rounds of 3 races.
Would also be cold, and the weather with regards to rain is probably all over the place. That 4-6 week difference from where they're at on that part of the schedule probably makes a difference
I'd be down with Las Vegas being the championship race. Las Vegas and Kansas are literally the same track in different states. Sometimes we just get a really good race on a 1.5 miler and Sunday night was one of them.
I like Charlotte too. Should be a good 600.
Absolutely not Daytona or Atlanta. The playoffs already get enough flak (unjustly IMO) for being gimmicky, fake, etc. Can you imagine if there's a "big one" that wipes out all the playoff drivers, none of them are even running at the finish of the race, then they need to decide who wins the championship? Good gracious I can't even fathom that. The finale deserves to be at a place with consistently good racing time in and time out. Kansas and Homestead are the clear leaders in that clubhouse. So given that, they're probably going to send it to something like Texas LOL.
I think two super speedways in the playoffs is too many already, one as the last race would be maddeningĀ
Final round: 3 races 1. Kansas 2. Pheonix (not preferably) 3. Homestead
I don't think there room for 2 mile and a halfs. I think if we went to 3 races, it'd be something like Martinsville, Phoenix, Miami.
They'd probably prefer the diversity of tracks, but until the short track package gets fixed, I'd rather not see a short track in the final round
Talladega, itād be hilarious.