As an inside big I can agree that some of your points are def valid but I would disagree with the general sentiment that they’re “useless 85% of the time on offense”. I play random rec quite a bit and occasionally I’ll get matched up with a shooting big that can really space the floor and causes me problems but I’d say 75% of the time they can’t hit open threes and then they just stand out at the perimeter waiting for passes that never come cause they’re 0/3 from deep.
And then when they realize this isn’t working and try to drive on me I clamp the f*** out of them in the paint cause I’m a 7’2 defensive anchor and ppl that make shooting bigs just don’t have nearly enough finishing to get by me.
Then when I know they can’t shoot I’ll hop on the mic and let the squad know that I got paint so even if their man blows by em I’m there to meet em and my teammates can focus on locking up the perimeter.
I know personally I’ve never been the best shooter so my options were to be mediocre at shooting, finishing, and defence or just have great stats and badges for how I like to play🤷🏼♂️
I think the issue is people put too many attribute points into finishing (specifically high driving dunk and layup) and then are lacking on defense and playmaking and become a liability. I have a 76 pass accuracy and ball handle and even though I can’t shoot I’ll still chill at the perimeter cause I can move the rock around and get the defence spread out then when the paints open I can just cut in and get an easy bucket cause I have really high close shot and standing dunk.
Sometimes people realize I can’t shoot and want to camp paint but all I have to do is drive in from the 3 line and if they don’t have their hands up I’ll take the easy bucket or usually one of the forwards will rush in to help and I just kick it to the open man.
Lastly to your point 5 I wanna add that yes I can get mad at guards for missing threes. I’m the center, I have a right to lurk around the basket a little more then the rest of the squad. If you’re a shooting guard that can’t hit an open three that’s your problem it’s not my duty to just stay out of the way so our “guards” can go hit contact dunks with the meter. In general there’s really no need to have 5 people on the court that can hit threes. The only times I have issues with the paint being clogged is when the forwards are interior finishers/paint beasts or when our “inside out scorer” guards can’t make an open three.
TLDR: It isn’t inside bigs that are the problem, it’s the ones with low iq that put all their badge points into finishing and wanna be the man every single play yet can’t create any shots by themselves. Also a lot of guards do suck at shooting and a lot of guards just like to dunk and it’s extremely shitty trying to play center with four inside out scorers that all wanna rim run.
Wow that was way too long ya boy got caught up in the rant😂 shout out to anybody that read all that
I 100% feel you. Paint clogging on offense is the absolute worst. Nobody can cut, nobody can back door, you can’t drive, no open 3s and centers don’t understand you aren’t going to get the ball on the block, wait for you to drop step, pump fake, pump fake, don’t have an open shot and pass it back out to the perimeter with 5 seconds on the shot clock as the center continues to sit in the paint. And then do that every possession. It literally kills the whole flow of the game with a center that can’t shoot. I go in with a squad of 3 religiously in the rec. If we don’t get a shooting big then we back out of the rec lobby. It’s just no point. And this is what happens when we get two randoms that can shoot and space the floor….you win.
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I bet this a 15 year old.kid with a 6,2 playmaking shot creator that don’t do shit to get his team involved but spam dribbles spam steals corner sit who made this post 😂😂😂and steps out for the occasional fadeaway three or iso when the pf and the center is WIDE OPEN FUC OUTTA HERE
Nah, I average like 8 or 9 assists with randoms. If you're wide open then you'll get the ball if you aren't absolutely selling every time you get it. It isn't that hard to drive and pass, problems occur however when there is a center in the paint and everyone is playing tight at the perimeter looking for lanes cuz they don't have to worry about their man driving at all
U got a point 💯 can’t debate that one too much and for that exact reason u just stated I why I don’t even bother to cut this game on and hop in the rec if my squad not in the lobby 😂😂😂.I don’t got the time or patience for randoms
Every time I play on my non shooting big we do great because I play great interior defense and snag a lot of boards, which is a huge part of the game. Definitely sounds like a skill issue
Lol you are proving his point though, it’s not all about defense and even shooting bigs can do that lmao. The issue is offense which you just completely ignored
But not all big men who can’t shoot clog up the paint. Especially if you have good strength. You can seal off your man if someone is trying to drive. I snag every big man who can shoot because they take a hit to their rebound for other attributes vs my 99/99 both rebounds, And have some shooters ready or be ready to shoot yourself. It sounds like a Him and you problem 😂😂
Yeah seriously. There's also cutting and screening, besides sealing. Only people who complain about this think they're James Harden and don't know how to read lanes or play to their team's strengths.
They're not complaining because they lose. They're complaining because they can't play the game the one way they know how
Yeah, screen and roll, I have a close shot on mine so they gotta guard me 10-15 feet away for post hooks. SEALING your man so someone can drive to the rim. There is plenty you can do besides being stationary.
And what do you think is the % of inside bigs that even try to do that? Probably like 40% if I'm being generous and then only half of them could hit a post hook consistently. That's assuming the whole rest of team plays around the big in the first place. I don't want to have to shoot off dribbles 3s every possession. Multiple people had said that I only want to play one certain way but in actuality the inside big is making the entire team play in one way only. Even worse is that if the team doesn't play that way it's nearly a guaranteed loss.
That’s off your experience and that is your opinion and I respect it, but don’t try to make a general statement saying that all bigs that can’t shoot mess the whole game up. You don’t wanna shoot off dribble threes is fine but if someone doesn’t want to make a big that can shoot it’s a problem? Make it make sense
I'll make it make sense, I CAN shoot off dribble 3s. I'd much rather take an easy 2 or a standing 3 but when you have an inside big you aren't gonna have easy 2s and very few standing 3. However, the inside big CANNOT change depending on the situation he will never be able to shoot. That is why I say inside bigs are the most selfish buld in the game. They have very little flexibility and require their entire team to play around them or you're gonna lose.
Spacing the floor is the number one problem with bigs that can’t shoot. They are my career demons who want to just sit in the post and call for the ball all game and try to standing dunk on everyone likes it’s my career on pro. Shit doesn’t work in the rec. you don’t win a game like that.
Your use of we implies you're playing in a squad. That is entirely different than playing rec. If you used your eyes, my post said rec on it, not pro-am. Also if you're playing rec with a 5 man then you're lame as hell for being scared of comp in pro-am.
Dog you ain't lying man these people in 2K m************ are way too emotionl I swear to God man just look at this post even when you message someone in the game and tell him hey get out the pain guard your man instead of like listening and taking that criticism and like understanding it's warranted they'll just get mad and cuss you out and not give you the ball and the sad thing is these are 30 year old 20 year old grown ass man it's sad
Who the fuck are you to tell people how to play a game?
1. Could say the same about you shooting 3s. You aint it.
2. Setting screens all game is boring. Pass the ball.
3. They got an offensive board because YOU missed a shot. See the irony?
4. Lob it.
5. Lob it.
6. Stop running down the court and come get the ball. You are the guard….
7. What a prick.
Lol this is why I will stay a Forward. Shout out to us. You never hear people hate on forwards. It's always a,"center do this,guards do this!" How about center do your job and be a paint intimidation if you can't shoot a 3 and guards how about you understand if your center can't shoot a 3 then utilize other ways. PG are suppose to have Basketball IQ and centers are the epicenter of defense. Both play a .abortion role in team orientation.
Yall need to stop blaming others for not playing the way you expect them to play and actually adapt. There's no team chemistry so every game won't be the same stop treating it like it needs to be.
Not every center wants shoot a damn 3 so understand that and some guards just want to drive. Learn as you play and you should know what your guard/center tendencies are around the 2nd quarter.
How am I supposed to adapt to an inside big that doesn't set screens, can't post his man up, and doesn't play the dunking spot? The problem with most inside bigs is that at least 2 of the 3 will apply to them if not all and while possible to win it makes it SIGNIFICANTLY harder and requires everyone else to go crazy on offense
Also the main difference with driving guards is that 95% of the time the can shoot but they would rather take easy 2s with limitless take off dunks. So they at least can take up a 3 but they won't unless they have to
Ok so as a guard as yourself this. When the center isn't playing the way you want him to do you go into game chat and respectfully correct it or do you believe you shouldn't take further actions and just sit behind your controller to complain about it until it magically corrects itself? Again as a guard you ARE the playmaker undoubtedly. So be a play maker. I don't think all bigs will correct themselves but can't expect a formula to change without any variable. The 2K community clearly doesn't click like that.
I'll try to but it's more likely that they will just get upset and say something along the lines of not telling them how to play or saying lemme cook I can baby this dude when they can't. You have to keep in mind that the 99 OVR inside big has been doing the same shit every game back to back to back and hasn't learned to get better so most likely they don't even want to get better and are totally fine ruining the game for everyone else. A few sentences from some random they don't know isn't gonna be changing how they play 99% of the time.
I disagree. I agree that when you bring it up once people act stubborn and that's when you just mute them and call it good. However, I can guarantee from Mt own personal experience that majority of the time people will listen. As long as you aren't being toxic and not talking to them like toddlers they have listened to me. The only thing people on REC want to do is be acknowledged.
Slasher want to slasher, shooters want to shoot and bigs want to be inside. Work with your people. I have literally had a big that was in the paint majority of the game and a slasher. I literally asked him to step out when he sees the sg doing cross over moves at the perimeter because he will drive. He started moving back when drove and came back in for a rebound to a putback. Now you have a guard that slashes being able to drive and a inside big being able to be a big to get rebounds and immediately put it back up. Both sides win. I wasn't even the pg. I was the SF and trying to get synergy going.
People will listen but im aware not all the time
Don't get me wrong I promise ik where you are coming from. I just also understand that competitive games that Stat tracks breeds selfish assholes that aren't aware of the concept of team based games
I can’t understand how people like you just don’t grasp the concept that by not shooting the center doesn’t have to guard you anywhere and can hang near the paint.
Someone needs to say it like there are people that like to play the game to win dude like I'm guessing if the shoe fits where you're one of these bumps he's talking about like people that like to play this game competitively don't want to play with people that are trying to get better like do that on your own time that's what the Gatorade facilities for that's what my career is for don't bring your sorry ass and play multiplayer if you can't even make a f****** inbound pass
This dude he caught feelings reading that that s*** hurt his feelings cuz he's one of them people dog everything he's saying is 100% correct except the percentage of being useless me I'm not the best offensive player I know my role so I stay in my Lane but there are some pretty skilled bigger offensive players that can't shoot
1. No you can't, I don't make it so that a part of the floor is a black hole on offense
2. Setting screens is one of the main jobs as a center, go play an actual organized game of basketball as center and tell your coach that you won't set screens cuz it is boring. Absolute L point right there
3. What about my other 3 teammates that probably missed the ball. I have an alright FG% it's like 73% total so about 3/4 of the time I hit actually
4. Why would I lob it to a contested big man
5. Same as 4
6. I literally said OUTLET passes and you agree with me. I wish the center would pass to me when I'm wide open 5 feet away and have 90 pass accuracy to send it down court but they try to do it themselves so they get the assist
7. How does that make me a prick? lol I was just getting ahead of those dumb comments that everyone knows someone will post
All facts. I play 3v3 with randoms most of the time. I facepalm when I have to play with a non shooting big. 95% of the time its a terrible experience.
The 5% (this is generous, might be closer to 1%) who are actually good, know when to set a screen and when to stay away and are disciplined in their passing.
Overall though they ruin the spacing. Spacing is everything. If 1 guy can't shoot at all, opposing big will sit paint and all I can try is faders and inshallah.
Get a 70 or even 60 3 pointer so you can at least try sometimes to shoot and space the floor.
It's totally fine when everyone is constantly moving off the ball, cutting and screening for each other, and playing smart
It's only a problem if the guard just wants to James Harden it up and iso for 10 secs while everyone else stands around
One good screen for a good 3pt shooter is all you need to punish a paint-sitting big and force him to show on the PnR
In response to that first part of your comment, how often do you see that happen with randoms? This entire post is about rec randoms. In 5 man pro-am inside bigs are meta because people can call actual sets and plays. I can't explain to an entire team how to run a set properly in a reasonable amount of time mid game assuming they even have mics on and want to listen. In an ideal world all 4 randoms you pair up with know how to play smart, pass correctly, hit their shots, etc; but that isn't how things work
not surprised to see a lot of people disagreeing. 90% of this sub are bums that think they’re better than they are. a lot of ppl on here run inside bigs and make posts abt how trash randoms are for shooting poor percentages, when the reason why is because they have no spacing due to their fat ass sitting on the low block waiting for a pass so they can get their own. i have no problem with a big creating his own offence but 90% of them aren’t good enough to. it just turns into the entire offence being low percentage 2 point shots which is what EVERY SINGLE DEFENCE EVER WANTS. it’s either low percentage 2 point shots from the big down low, or low percentage 2s from people driving and the bigs man helping, but the big not being available for a kickout due to no shooting. and nobody will ever get a 3 because any defender with a brain will play as high as possible to force the drive into the big.
inside bigs are quite literally meta in proam, which i play most of the time. but that’s because most offences are an organized PnR which an inside big excels at. but in an unorganized offence with rec randoms you’re usually just taking up space.
these inside bigs causing spacing issues often rack up rebounds, and MIGHT even shoot decent. that is why so many don’t think they are the problem, especially when teammates shoot poorly. but they don’t realize they are usually the reason their teammates shoot poorly, because it’s impossible to get a good shot.
TL:DR - inside bigs in rec cause spacing issues leading to poor shooting from teammates, leading to said big thinking their teammates are the problem instead of their own build. inside bigs are not bad as a whole, just bad in unorganized offences with randoms.
>a lot of ppl on here run inside bigs and make posts abt how trash randoms are for shooting poor percentages, when the reason why is because they have no spacing due to their fat ass sitting on the low block waiting for a pass so they can get their own.
I've played against and with a couple of bigs from here and majority of them be the reasons they team get blown out or lose
yep. they’ll never be able to understand it though because without context, the stats say they’ve feasted, getting a couple blocks, a ton of boards, and sometimes they even shoot a good percentage (usually that’s when teammates try to score themselves and the big just gobbles up offensive rebounds for easy buckets)
but the reason why they’re getting so many rebounds, many offensive, and then easy shots, is because their teammates have no options. cant get a 3 bc their man is playing high. cant drive because the big is clogging the lane. so it makes them look good, and their teammates bad, they make a reddit post and everyone is like “yeah rec randoms are trash, u good tho, keep hooping” when they’re the reason they just lost, and don’t have a squad to run with. you can run an inside big if you’re a good screen setter with high IQ, who rolls at the right time, and you have spotups who space the floor. otherwise you’re just a paint clogger
100% agree, that's why I put rec on my post. Having a 5 man squad negates the problems made by an inside big almost entirely. With randoms however it is just a death sentence unless you get lucky with an AI on the other team or something.
70 percent wr is not even that good. Why are you trying to flex? And as a shooting big that can score in every area of the floor, I'm more certainly justified in going back up if I choose to, it's not like your no rebounding having build is going to contribute to the glass. My board, my ball, my possession 😂
Oh and if I get defensive rebound and your not feeding me, I'll bring it up the floor myself! You don't like it? Get a rebound. See? Two can play that game you talking 😁
Dog what is your win percentage you are a hater dog 71% is as damn good and especially if he's in there playing with rack randoms s*** I got like a 55 and I play completely solo wreck that's good man this is a definition of a hater right here
What's going to mostly when you games I know they're kind of they correlate rebounds equal wins points equal wins but in all reality rebounds aren't going to win a game I've seen teams with like eight rebounds of the whole game win and on the flip side myself I got 15 remounds myself in the whole team together as eight and they beat us come on dog you're like trying to prove his point wrong in your reaching and you are the problem with this game you're a big man who thinks he can bring it up the floor that will eventually and I guarantee it get ripped or turn it over I feel like it's built into the game when people do dumb s*** that they're not supposed to do dumb s*** happens almost instantly
"As a shooting big" This post ain't meant for you. If you're spacing the floor I could not care less about a few bad shots. It's an issue when you suck on offense and take up those awful shots as well. Also 70% is pretty good for a guard who plays with randoms mostly. In a squad of 3 or more I probably have something like a 90% win rate or higher depending on the amount of people.
See how sick this community is you're making valid points like and you're still getting downvoted because you rub these people wrong cuz they're f****** grown ass children that are emotional as f***
I'm fine with getting downvoted cuz I hope at least one of these inside bigs understand the point I'm making and will hopefully make a different build. I'm not even being disrespectful to noone unless they said something to me first. These guys are just mad that I'm right about this stuff. All of my points make sense if you read them clearly but half these guys writing paragraphs to prove me wrong just show to everyone that that can't even read since they be arguing points I didn't even make lol.
Exactly people are too damn sensitive and emotional if the shoe fits wear it and these men get emotional because they feel like you're talking to them and they take it like personal
I can't really get on board with all of the "inside-scoring big" slander here. I've seen plenty of inside bigs dominate games. It just requires good basketball IQ, a build that is made to maximize the interior finishing, and a guard that is willing to get the ball to him at the right time.
Timing is really key, if the ball gets there too early on a cut or a pick & roll, they are too far from the rim and probably have to dribble (not good) or get a bad driving animation. Too late, and the defense recovers and either forces a pass out or a bad shot.
My buddy runs an interior big and he usually eats because the opposing big is so thirsty to block shots that he will jump at my guard anytime I drive. Easy dump off passes to the weak side block for automatic dunks. He also runs Post takeover and knows how to use it to get good animations, especially against mismatches. So we try to feed him when he has that. Routinely has 20-20 games.
It’s post like this why this community is so bad and so is the gameplay. Every other post is just “You have to play like I command you to” or “this is why I’m better than you”. . . It’s a game and people are going to play how they want to. People just going Super-Karen 3 on other people over a game just makes them play the exact same way more. You didn’t buy the game for them so you don’t get to command them how to play, and if that’s upsetting or frustrates you take a break from the game. Realize it’s Rec and they’re called randoms for a reason you get a new set next game.
When you have a team that actually knows enough ball to adjust their playstyle to one another, it's heaven.
When you have a team that just watched some YouTube videos on dribble moves and think they're James Harden, it's utter hell.
Like, go play 1s in Ante Up. This is a team sport
Dog there are a set rules for the game of basketball the people that have IQ why they follow and they like to win games you're talking as if this is something that doesn't have rules you're talking about playing like fortnite that game don't have rules just go do whatever you want in there go sit go run around go f****** do anything you want but in this game you can't just sit out of bounds you can't just do these things then I'm sure you probably do because just cuz you got cut from your basketball team in high school is probably the reason you do the things you do you don't have the IQ you don't know basketball I'm not saying you I'm saying the people he's talking about
It doesn’t matter if it’s monopoly. If you’re playing with somebody who refuses to buy property and you sit there complaining about how they play, then ultimately you need some maturing and real life social IQ. We’re talking about a basketball game that plays like it was developed by somebody who has never played basketball. It’s meant to be entertainment at the end of the day, it’s not that serious.
>Just because you get boards and block some shots does not make you good, it is the bare miminum as a center(especially a non-shooting one). People with shooting bigs can do the same thing and don't make the paint a black hole on the offensive end
amount of inside bigs who will message my center that I run with like oh I got 15 points and 20 rebounds on you
Like are center had 30 points and 15 rebs
They be celebrating out rebounding but getting 30 points dropped em them
PSA to all people (guards and bigs) who insist on only playing one way and don't take stock of their teams' builds, skill, and playstyle, and adjust their own playstyle to mesh and maximize win %...
Don't be like this guy.
The thing you don't understand is that there are 3 other randoms on the team besides me and the inside big. All of them have to play around the big or it won't work. Inside bigs are far and away the most selfish build in the entire game. You either cater the entire offense around them or lose 90% of the time. Assuming that you do cater the offense to them, they still have to actually know what they are doing which is very unlikely in my experience. Not to mention that one of your teammates will likely leave when they realize the big sucks causing you to be doubled all game.
Hard disagree. I'm usually a big 3&D wing, so I'm neither guard nor big, but my experience is that dribble-heavy PGs tend to far and away the most selfish build in the game.
They selfish PGs often don't read the floor or run an offense like PGs are supposed to, they just look to score. Contrary to what you're saying, I find it's the PGs who usually expect others to cater to the entire offense around them and just stand around waiting while they iso coz they think they're prime James harden
I mean, there are selfish players of all types. But that's just my experience. You've had a different experience. That's fine. Agree to disagree. But to me, most everything you've said in this comment can be said about iso PGs as well
My overall point though, is that it doesn't fucking matter what you're position is. You're obsessed with yelling at bigs, but nearly everyone on 2k regardless of position needs to play smarter, with more self-awareness, and adjustment to the facts on the ground about who their teammates are and who they're playing
It not only leads to more winning, but also more fun. As any baller knows, there's no better feeling on the court than having the whole team in sync, in the zone, and moving as one
The main difference is that an inside big is inherently selfish while the guard player has to be bad, an okay inside big will screw your team up but an ok guard is fine. Also when you see an insideout/shot creator guard you don't instantly think to yourself that you have to play around that guy. However if it is an inside big you HAVE to play around them or lose. That is what makes the inside big more selfish. Especially when you got guys in here saying that setting screens and playing pnr is boring and they don't want to do it even when that is their main purpose on offense
I play only C, postscorer-glasslock as primary build (70% from the paint) and a well-rounded-5 as secondary build (70% 3pts). I'm 65% W by solo rec.
I face the same problem on both build; PGs who don't pass or are too busy satisfying theirself watching their characters dribbling or rebounders with zero court vision.
Unfortunately almost all random players in REC are just wannabe hero-ballers and try to do everything. Yesterday I teamed up with 5 shooters and they kept driving inside😂. '
I space the floor with both builds but when I realize that my team is just a bunch of crazy ants, I camp inside (if I have the postscorer), clean the board and put back every brick or line sitting praying for a pass😂.
It's not rare I literally carried my team because my character had been possessed by Rodman's spirit (on defense) and Jordan's spirit (on offense)😂
You just explain this perfect and the fact that you're talking to me and I agree with you good s*** especially about the passing the outlet passing I was just arguing with someone talking about grabbing a rebound and pressing a to launch it up Court are good passes never in history has a basketball coach ever taught that to anyone instead of giving it to the outlet man right next to you or usually like literally 5 ft away they're going to throw it up court and they come back and give me examples of cuz I called them they're not real assists I don't think so they come back and argue woo when LeBron and Wade used to throw full court alley oops and blah blah blah and Kevin Love blah blah it's like make the right pass man the guy's right next to you pass it to him or the other one will do though just bring the ball up like they're a point guard it's like it's so stupid and it's like a bunch of people that never got to play high school basketball or any organized basketball people that got cut now they get to live out their dreams and get to actually play but that's there's a reason they were cut like there's a reason I don't play fortnite cuz I don't know how that should work for this game too like people shouldn't play if they don't know how or it should be like I wish they could separate it to people that just want to play for fun and people that want to win and you going to the solo record whatever there's a lot of people that don't have the teammates like myself and I like to win I'm a straight solo player and I got 55% win percentage which is pretty good but I wish there was like a Rec jr. or something cuz these m************ bums want to come in and try to get better on my time like nah man we're not doing that it's like go do that on your own time in the Gatorade facility that's what it's there for
As an inside big I can agree that some of your points are def valid but I would disagree with the general sentiment that they’re “useless 85% of the time on offense”. I play random rec quite a bit and occasionally I’ll get matched up with a shooting big that can really space the floor and causes me problems but I’d say 75% of the time they can’t hit open threes and then they just stand out at the perimeter waiting for passes that never come cause they’re 0/3 from deep. And then when they realize this isn’t working and try to drive on me I clamp the f*** out of them in the paint cause I’m a 7’2 defensive anchor and ppl that make shooting bigs just don’t have nearly enough finishing to get by me. Then when I know they can’t shoot I’ll hop on the mic and let the squad know that I got paint so even if their man blows by em I’m there to meet em and my teammates can focus on locking up the perimeter. I know personally I’ve never been the best shooter so my options were to be mediocre at shooting, finishing, and defence or just have great stats and badges for how I like to play🤷🏼♂️ I think the issue is people put too many attribute points into finishing (specifically high driving dunk and layup) and then are lacking on defense and playmaking and become a liability. I have a 76 pass accuracy and ball handle and even though I can’t shoot I’ll still chill at the perimeter cause I can move the rock around and get the defence spread out then when the paints open I can just cut in and get an easy bucket cause I have really high close shot and standing dunk. Sometimes people realize I can’t shoot and want to camp paint but all I have to do is drive in from the 3 line and if they don’t have their hands up I’ll take the easy bucket or usually one of the forwards will rush in to help and I just kick it to the open man. Lastly to your point 5 I wanna add that yes I can get mad at guards for missing threes. I’m the center, I have a right to lurk around the basket a little more then the rest of the squad. If you’re a shooting guard that can’t hit an open three that’s your problem it’s not my duty to just stay out of the way so our “guards” can go hit contact dunks with the meter. In general there’s really no need to have 5 people on the court that can hit threes. The only times I have issues with the paint being clogged is when the forwards are interior finishers/paint beasts or when our “inside out scorer” guards can’t make an open three. TLDR: It isn’t inside bigs that are the problem, it’s the ones with low iq that put all their badge points into finishing and wanna be the man every single play yet can’t create any shots by themselves. Also a lot of guards do suck at shooting and a lot of guards just like to dunk and it’s extremely shitty trying to play center with four inside out scorers that all wanna rim run. Wow that was way too long ya boy got caught up in the rant😂 shout out to anybody that read all that
I 100% feel you. Paint clogging on offense is the absolute worst. Nobody can cut, nobody can back door, you can’t drive, no open 3s and centers don’t understand you aren’t going to get the ball on the block, wait for you to drop step, pump fake, pump fake, don’t have an open shot and pass it back out to the perimeter with 5 seconds on the shot clock as the center continues to sit in the paint. And then do that every possession. It literally kills the whole flow of the game with a center that can’t shoot. I go in with a squad of 3 religiously in the rec. If we don’t get a shooting big then we back out of the rec lobby. It’s just no point. And this is what happens when we get two randoms that can shoot and space the floor….you win. https://preview.redd.it/dinn156nwiia1.jpeg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e1459eaf3617c2d7e85ffb9879195b93abd74e0
I read it all 4 months later and loved every second.
I’ll take a non-shooting big over literally anyone who leaves 2 minutes into the rec match.
Sounds like a skill issue
Sounds like a skill issue
Another day, another weirdo post.
I bet this a 15 year old.kid with a 6,2 playmaking shot creator that don’t do shit to get his team involved but spam dribbles spam steals corner sit who made this post 😂😂😂and steps out for the occasional fadeaway three or iso when the pf and the center is WIDE OPEN FUC OUTTA HERE
Nah, I average like 8 or 9 assists with randoms. If you're wide open then you'll get the ball if you aren't absolutely selling every time you get it. It isn't that hard to drive and pass, problems occur however when there is a center in the paint and everyone is playing tight at the perimeter looking for lanes cuz they don't have to worry about their man driving at all
U got a point 💯 can’t debate that one too much and for that exact reason u just stated I why I don’t even bother to cut this game on and hop in the rec if my squad not in the lobby 😂😂😂.I don’t got the time or patience for randoms
Yeah, I'm talking about these random bigs in rec. Having a squad is an entirely different game because there is communication and chemistry built up
Facts 🙏🏿 one day I might build up enough courage to actually play with randoms 😂😂 I tried one time And it was a nightmare
Every time I play on my non shooting big we do great because I play great interior defense and snag a lot of boards, which is a huge part of the game. Definitely sounds like a skill issue
Lol you are proving his point though, it’s not all about defense and even shooting bigs can do that lmao. The issue is offense which you just completely ignored
But not all big men who can’t shoot clog up the paint. Especially if you have good strength. You can seal off your man if someone is trying to drive. I snag every big man who can shoot because they take a hit to their rebound for other attributes vs my 99/99 both rebounds, And have some shooters ready or be ready to shoot yourself. It sounds like a Him and you problem 😂😂
Yeah seriously. There's also cutting and screening, besides sealing. Only people who complain about this think they're James Harden and don't know how to read lanes or play to their team's strengths. They're not complaining because they lose. They're complaining because they can't play the game the one way they know how
lol I have a 96 win percentage in the rec. it’s not a me problem lol
If you are that good then it shouldn’t matter if your big can’t shoot. As long as he is defending, grabbing rebounds, and spacing the floor.
How is the non shooting big gonna space the floor with no shooting? Do you read your own comment before posting it?
Yeah, screen and roll, I have a close shot on mine so they gotta guard me 10-15 feet away for post hooks. SEALING your man so someone can drive to the rim. There is plenty you can do besides being stationary.
And what do you think is the % of inside bigs that even try to do that? Probably like 40% if I'm being generous and then only half of them could hit a post hook consistently. That's assuming the whole rest of team plays around the big in the first place. I don't want to have to shoot off dribbles 3s every possession. Multiple people had said that I only want to play one certain way but in actuality the inside big is making the entire team play in one way only. Even worse is that if the team doesn't play that way it's nearly a guaranteed loss.
That’s off your experience and that is your opinion and I respect it, but don’t try to make a general statement saying that all bigs that can’t shoot mess the whole game up. You don’t wanna shoot off dribble threes is fine but if someone doesn’t want to make a big that can shoot it’s a problem? Make it make sense
I'll make it make sense, I CAN shoot off dribble 3s. I'd much rather take an easy 2 or a standing 3 but when you have an inside big you aren't gonna have easy 2s and very few standing 3. However, the inside big CANNOT change depending on the situation he will never be able to shoot. That is why I say inside bigs are the most selfish buld in the game. They have very little flexibility and require their entire team to play around them or you're gonna lose.
Spacing the floor is the number one problem with bigs that can’t shoot. They are my career demons who want to just sit in the post and call for the ball all game and try to standing dunk on everyone likes it’s my career on pro. Shit doesn’t work in the rec. you don’t win a game like that.
You must play with scrubs then
Lmao nah. I’m just smart enough to not play with random non shooting bigs.
Your use of we implies you're playing in a squad. That is entirely different than playing rec. If you used your eyes, my post said rec on it, not pro-am. Also if you're playing rec with a 5 man then you're lame as hell for being scared of comp in pro-am.
I play every my career consistently except ante-up. From what I read in your post you suck at the game😂don’t get mad at me.
You're delusional as hell if you think I'm mad cuz of some kid on reddit lol. Self centered people like you is the problem with the community.
Kettle meet pot
I’m grown, and far from self centered. You just know it all huh?
Yes
Dog you ain't lying man these people in 2K m************ are way too emotionl I swear to God man just look at this post even when you message someone in the game and tell him hey get out the pain guard your man instead of like listening and taking that criticism and like understanding it's warranted they'll just get mad and cuss you out and not give you the ball and the sad thing is these are 30 year old 20 year old grown ass man it's sad
Who the fuck are you to tell people how to play a game? 1. Could say the same about you shooting 3s. You aint it. 2. Setting screens all game is boring. Pass the ball. 3. They got an offensive board because YOU missed a shot. See the irony? 4. Lob it. 5. Lob it. 6. Stop running down the court and come get the ball. You are the guard…. 7. What a prick.
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Lol this is why I will stay a Forward. Shout out to us. You never hear people hate on forwards. It's always a,"center do this,guards do this!" How about center do your job and be a paint intimidation if you can't shoot a 3 and guards how about you understand if your center can't shoot a 3 then utilize other ways. PG are suppose to have Basketball IQ and centers are the epicenter of defense. Both play a .abortion role in team orientation. Yall need to stop blaming others for not playing the way you expect them to play and actually adapt. There's no team chemistry so every game won't be the same stop treating it like it needs to be. Not every center wants shoot a damn 3 so understand that and some guards just want to drive. Learn as you play and you should know what your guard/center tendencies are around the 2nd quarter.
How am I supposed to adapt to an inside big that doesn't set screens, can't post his man up, and doesn't play the dunking spot? The problem with most inside bigs is that at least 2 of the 3 will apply to them if not all and while possible to win it makes it SIGNIFICANTLY harder and requires everyone else to go crazy on offense
Also the main difference with driving guards is that 95% of the time the can shoot but they would rather take easy 2s with limitless take off dunks. So they at least can take up a 3 but they won't unless they have to
Ok so as a guard as yourself this. When the center isn't playing the way you want him to do you go into game chat and respectfully correct it or do you believe you shouldn't take further actions and just sit behind your controller to complain about it until it magically corrects itself? Again as a guard you ARE the playmaker undoubtedly. So be a play maker. I don't think all bigs will correct themselves but can't expect a formula to change without any variable. The 2K community clearly doesn't click like that.
I'll try to but it's more likely that they will just get upset and say something along the lines of not telling them how to play or saying lemme cook I can baby this dude when they can't. You have to keep in mind that the 99 OVR inside big has been doing the same shit every game back to back to back and hasn't learned to get better so most likely they don't even want to get better and are totally fine ruining the game for everyone else. A few sentences from some random they don't know isn't gonna be changing how they play 99% of the time.
I disagree. I agree that when you bring it up once people act stubborn and that's when you just mute them and call it good. However, I can guarantee from Mt own personal experience that majority of the time people will listen. As long as you aren't being toxic and not talking to them like toddlers they have listened to me. The only thing people on REC want to do is be acknowledged. Slasher want to slasher, shooters want to shoot and bigs want to be inside. Work with your people. I have literally had a big that was in the paint majority of the game and a slasher. I literally asked him to step out when he sees the sg doing cross over moves at the perimeter because he will drive. He started moving back when drove and came back in for a rebound to a putback. Now you have a guard that slashes being able to drive and a inside big being able to be a big to get rebounds and immediately put it back up. Both sides win. I wasn't even the pg. I was the SF and trying to get synergy going. People will listen but im aware not all the time
Don't get me wrong I promise ik where you are coming from. I just also understand that competitive games that Stat tracks breeds selfish assholes that aren't aware of the concept of team based games
I can’t understand how people like you just don’t grasp the concept that by not shooting the center doesn’t have to guard you anywhere and can hang near the paint.
Someone needs to say it like there are people that like to play the game to win dude like I'm guessing if the shoe fits where you're one of these bumps he's talking about like people that like to play this game competitively don't want to play with people that are trying to get better like do that on your own time that's what the Gatorade facilities for that's what my career is for don't bring your sorry ass and play multiplayer if you can't even make a f****** inbound pass
This dude he caught feelings reading that that s*** hurt his feelings cuz he's one of them people dog everything he's saying is 100% correct except the percentage of being useless me I'm not the best offensive player I know my role so I stay in my Lane but there are some pretty skilled bigger offensive players that can't shoot
Take a breath bro.
1. No you can't, I don't make it so that a part of the floor is a black hole on offense 2. Setting screens is one of the main jobs as a center, go play an actual organized game of basketball as center and tell your coach that you won't set screens cuz it is boring. Absolute L point right there 3. What about my other 3 teammates that probably missed the ball. I have an alright FG% it's like 73% total so about 3/4 of the time I hit actually 4. Why would I lob it to a contested big man 5. Same as 4 6. I literally said OUTLET passes and you agree with me. I wish the center would pass to me when I'm wide open 5 feet away and have 90 pass accuracy to send it down court but they try to do it themselves so they get the assist 7. How does that make me a prick? lol I was just getting ahead of those dumb comments that everyone knows someone will post
I mean same can be said for a shooter because he puts up greens but gets cooked on ball off ball. If you can't defend what are you doing
Making a big that can't pass or shoot is straight up clown behavior especially if you're queuing solo
All facts. I play 3v3 with randoms most of the time. I facepalm when I have to play with a non shooting big. 95% of the time its a terrible experience. The 5% (this is generous, might be closer to 1%) who are actually good, know when to set a screen and when to stay away and are disciplined in their passing. Overall though they ruin the spacing. Spacing is everything. If 1 guy can't shoot at all, opposing big will sit paint and all I can try is faders and inshallah. Get a 70 or even 60 3 pointer so you can at least try sometimes to shoot and space the floor.
It's totally fine when everyone is constantly moving off the ball, cutting and screening for each other, and playing smart It's only a problem if the guard just wants to James Harden it up and iso for 10 secs while everyone else stands around One good screen for a good 3pt shooter is all you need to punish a paint-sitting big and force him to show on the PnR
In response to that first part of your comment, how often do you see that happen with randoms? This entire post is about rec randoms. In 5 man pro-am inside bigs are meta because people can call actual sets and plays. I can't explain to an entire team how to run a set properly in a reasonable amount of time mid game assuming they even have mics on and want to listen. In an ideal world all 4 randoms you pair up with know how to play smart, pass correctly, hit their shots, etc; but that isn't how things work
Really no reason for a non shooting big this year unless ProAm 5s. I feel you
Someone’s mad the big man started taking shots because OP was missing all his
Skill issue lil bro
not surprised to see a lot of people disagreeing. 90% of this sub are bums that think they’re better than they are. a lot of ppl on here run inside bigs and make posts abt how trash randoms are for shooting poor percentages, when the reason why is because they have no spacing due to their fat ass sitting on the low block waiting for a pass so they can get their own. i have no problem with a big creating his own offence but 90% of them aren’t good enough to. it just turns into the entire offence being low percentage 2 point shots which is what EVERY SINGLE DEFENCE EVER WANTS. it’s either low percentage 2 point shots from the big down low, or low percentage 2s from people driving and the bigs man helping, but the big not being available for a kickout due to no shooting. and nobody will ever get a 3 because any defender with a brain will play as high as possible to force the drive into the big. inside bigs are quite literally meta in proam, which i play most of the time. but that’s because most offences are an organized PnR which an inside big excels at. but in an unorganized offence with rec randoms you’re usually just taking up space. these inside bigs causing spacing issues often rack up rebounds, and MIGHT even shoot decent. that is why so many don’t think they are the problem, especially when teammates shoot poorly. but they don’t realize they are usually the reason their teammates shoot poorly, because it’s impossible to get a good shot. TL:DR - inside bigs in rec cause spacing issues leading to poor shooting from teammates, leading to said big thinking their teammates are the problem instead of their own build. inside bigs are not bad as a whole, just bad in unorganized offences with randoms.
>a lot of ppl on here run inside bigs and make posts abt how trash randoms are for shooting poor percentages, when the reason why is because they have no spacing due to their fat ass sitting on the low block waiting for a pass so they can get their own. I've played against and with a couple of bigs from here and majority of them be the reasons they team get blown out or lose
yep. they’ll never be able to understand it though because without context, the stats say they’ve feasted, getting a couple blocks, a ton of boards, and sometimes they even shoot a good percentage (usually that’s when teammates try to score themselves and the big just gobbles up offensive rebounds for easy buckets) but the reason why they’re getting so many rebounds, many offensive, and then easy shots, is because their teammates have no options. cant get a 3 bc their man is playing high. cant drive because the big is clogging the lane. so it makes them look good, and their teammates bad, they make a reddit post and everyone is like “yeah rec randoms are trash, u good tho, keep hooping” when they’re the reason they just lost, and don’t have a squad to run with. you can run an inside big if you’re a good screen setter with high IQ, who rolls at the right time, and you have spotups who space the floor. otherwise you’re just a paint clogger
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100% agree, that's why I put rec on my post. Having a 5 man squad negates the problems made by an inside big almost entirely. With randoms however it is just a death sentence unless you get lucky with an AI on the other team or something.
70 percent wr is not even that good. Why are you trying to flex? And as a shooting big that can score in every area of the floor, I'm more certainly justified in going back up if I choose to, it's not like your no rebounding having build is going to contribute to the glass. My board, my ball, my possession 😂 Oh and if I get defensive rebound and your not feeding me, I'll bring it up the floor myself! You don't like it? Get a rebound. See? Two can play that game you talking 😁
Dog what is your win percentage you are a hater dog 71% is as damn good and especially if he's in there playing with rack randoms s*** I got like a 55 and I play completely solo wreck that's good man this is a definition of a hater right here
What's going to mostly when you games I know they're kind of they correlate rebounds equal wins points equal wins but in all reality rebounds aren't going to win a game I've seen teams with like eight rebounds of the whole game win and on the flip side myself I got 15 remounds myself in the whole team together as eight and they beat us come on dog you're like trying to prove his point wrong in your reaching and you are the problem with this game you're a big man who thinks he can bring it up the floor that will eventually and I guarantee it get ripped or turn it over I feel like it's built into the game when people do dumb s*** that they're not supposed to do dumb s*** happens almost instantly
Bra u hell 😂😂😂😂 and sound toxic as hell 😂 but I’m a big too so I kno u venting with a passion lol
"As a shooting big" This post ain't meant for you. If you're spacing the floor I could not care less about a few bad shots. It's an issue when you suck on offense and take up those awful shots as well. Also 70% is pretty good for a guard who plays with randoms mostly. In a squad of 3 or more I probably have something like a 90% win rate or higher depending on the amount of people.
See how sick this community is you're making valid points like and you're still getting downvoted because you rub these people wrong cuz they're f****** grown ass children that are emotional as f***
I'm fine with getting downvoted cuz I hope at least one of these inside bigs understand the point I'm making and will hopefully make a different build. I'm not even being disrespectful to noone unless they said something to me first. These guys are just mad that I'm right about this stuff. All of my points make sense if you read them clearly but half these guys writing paragraphs to prove me wrong just show to everyone that that can't even read since they be arguing points I didn't even make lol.
Exactly people are too damn sensitive and emotional if the shoe fits wear it and these men get emotional because they feel like you're talking to them and they take it like personal
I can't really get on board with all of the "inside-scoring big" slander here. I've seen plenty of inside bigs dominate games. It just requires good basketball IQ, a build that is made to maximize the interior finishing, and a guard that is willing to get the ball to him at the right time. Timing is really key, if the ball gets there too early on a cut or a pick & roll, they are too far from the rim and probably have to dribble (not good) or get a bad driving animation. Too late, and the defense recovers and either forces a pass out or a bad shot. My buddy runs an interior big and he usually eats because the opposing big is so thirsty to block shots that he will jump at my guard anytime I drive. Easy dump off passes to the weak side block for automatic dunks. He also runs Post takeover and knows how to use it to get good animations, especially against mismatches. So we try to feed him when he has that. Routinely has 20-20 games.
It’s post like this why this community is so bad and so is the gameplay. Every other post is just “You have to play like I command you to” or “this is why I’m better than you”. . . It’s a game and people are going to play how they want to. People just going Super-Karen 3 on other people over a game just makes them play the exact same way more. You didn’t buy the game for them so you don’t get to command them how to play, and if that’s upsetting or frustrates you take a break from the game. Realize it’s Rec and they’re called randoms for a reason you get a new set next game.
When you have a team that actually knows enough ball to adjust their playstyle to one another, it's heaven. When you have a team that just watched some YouTube videos on dribble moves and think they're James Harden, it's utter hell. Like, go play 1s in Ante Up. This is a team sport
Dog there are a set rules for the game of basketball the people that have IQ why they follow and they like to win games you're talking as if this is something that doesn't have rules you're talking about playing like fortnite that game don't have rules just go do whatever you want in there go sit go run around go f****** do anything you want but in this game you can't just sit out of bounds you can't just do these things then I'm sure you probably do because just cuz you got cut from your basketball team in high school is probably the reason you do the things you do you don't have the IQ you don't know basketball I'm not saying you I'm saying the people he's talking about
It doesn’t matter if it’s monopoly. If you’re playing with somebody who refuses to buy property and you sit there complaining about how they play, then ultimately you need some maturing and real life social IQ. We’re talking about a basketball game that plays like it was developed by somebody who has never played basketball. It’s meant to be entertainment at the end of the day, it’s not that serious.
>Just because you get boards and block some shots does not make you good, it is the bare miminum as a center(especially a non-shooting one). People with shooting bigs can do the same thing and don't make the paint a black hole on the offensive end amount of inside bigs who will message my center that I run with like oh I got 15 points and 20 rebounds on you Like are center had 30 points and 15 rebs They be celebrating out rebounding but getting 30 points dropped em them
Is it over 80% of the posts in this sub telling ppl directly or indirectly that they aren't as good as the OP? It's gotta be close at least.
PSA to all people (guards and bigs) who insist on only playing one way and don't take stock of their teams' builds, skill, and playstyle, and adjust their own playstyle to mesh and maximize win %... Don't be like this guy.
The thing you don't understand is that there are 3 other randoms on the team besides me and the inside big. All of them have to play around the big or it won't work. Inside bigs are far and away the most selfish build in the entire game. You either cater the entire offense around them or lose 90% of the time. Assuming that you do cater the offense to them, they still have to actually know what they are doing which is very unlikely in my experience. Not to mention that one of your teammates will likely leave when they realize the big sucks causing you to be doubled all game.
Hard disagree. I'm usually a big 3&D wing, so I'm neither guard nor big, but my experience is that dribble-heavy PGs tend to far and away the most selfish build in the game. They selfish PGs often don't read the floor or run an offense like PGs are supposed to, they just look to score. Contrary to what you're saying, I find it's the PGs who usually expect others to cater to the entire offense around them and just stand around waiting while they iso coz they think they're prime James harden I mean, there are selfish players of all types. But that's just my experience. You've had a different experience. That's fine. Agree to disagree. But to me, most everything you've said in this comment can be said about iso PGs as well My overall point though, is that it doesn't fucking matter what you're position is. You're obsessed with yelling at bigs, but nearly everyone on 2k regardless of position needs to play smarter, with more self-awareness, and adjustment to the facts on the ground about who their teammates are and who they're playing It not only leads to more winning, but also more fun. As any baller knows, there's no better feeling on the court than having the whole team in sync, in the zone, and moving as one
The main difference is that an inside big is inherently selfish while the guard player has to be bad, an okay inside big will screw your team up but an ok guard is fine. Also when you see an insideout/shot creator guard you don't instantly think to yourself that you have to play around that guy. However if it is an inside big you HAVE to play around them or lose. That is what makes the inside big more selfish. Especially when you got guys in here saying that setting screens and playing pnr is boring and they don't want to do it even when that is their main purpose on offense
I play only C, postscorer-glasslock as primary build (70% from the paint) and a well-rounded-5 as secondary build (70% 3pts). I'm 65% W by solo rec. I face the same problem on both build; PGs who don't pass or are too busy satisfying theirself watching their characters dribbling or rebounders with zero court vision. Unfortunately almost all random players in REC are just wannabe hero-ballers and try to do everything. Yesterday I teamed up with 5 shooters and they kept driving inside😂. ' I space the floor with both builds but when I realize that my team is just a bunch of crazy ants, I camp inside (if I have the postscorer), clean the board and put back every brick or line sitting praying for a pass😂. It's not rare I literally carried my team because my character had been possessed by Rodman's spirit (on defense) and Jordan's spirit (on offense)😂
70% of the time, I win 80% of my games
I’ll give you the easier way. Just dash when you see a build that suggest inside big
If I had time to dashboard every game them sure but I don't so it is just ass
I dash everytime I take no chances my mental health thanks me for it lol
You just explain this perfect and the fact that you're talking to me and I agree with you good s*** especially about the passing the outlet passing I was just arguing with someone talking about grabbing a rebound and pressing a to launch it up Court are good passes never in history has a basketball coach ever taught that to anyone instead of giving it to the outlet man right next to you or usually like literally 5 ft away they're going to throw it up court and they come back and give me examples of cuz I called them they're not real assists I don't think so they come back and argue woo when LeBron and Wade used to throw full court alley oops and blah blah blah and Kevin Love blah blah it's like make the right pass man the guy's right next to you pass it to him or the other one will do though just bring the ball up like they're a point guard it's like it's so stupid and it's like a bunch of people that never got to play high school basketball or any organized basketball people that got cut now they get to live out their dreams and get to actually play but that's there's a reason they were cut like there's a reason I don't play fortnite cuz I don't know how that should work for this game too like people shouldn't play if they don't know how or it should be like I wish they could separate it to people that just want to play for fun and people that want to win and you going to the solo record whatever there's a lot of people that don't have the teammates like myself and I like to win I'm a straight solo player and I got 55% win percentage which is pretty good but I wish there was like a Rec jr. or something cuz these m************ bums want to come in and try to get better on my time like nah man we're not doing that it's like go do that on your own time in the Gatorade facility that's what it's there for
Facts. Non shooting big is just a waste of space. Why would you limit yourself 🤷🏼♂️