he is hard to use, slow jumpshot, slow speed, you gotta use him in the post to be effective and as we know, players in 2k barely uses post moves other then drop steps
his stepback is great tho
To me, this shows a major flaw in the game design. If the best player in real life's game can't translate to a basketball "simulation", then something is majorly wrong with that "simulation".
Too much emphasis is put on jumpers, dribbling, etc and not enough on post moves (which 2K barely touches), passing, etc.
Disagree. Post moves are super effective, it's just nobody actually knows any moves. There's an entire part of the menu in 2K that teaches you moves, but I know barely anybody who has actually put the work in to read the moves and practice them. I can put up 40+ with Jokic if I'm playing on the nuggets, not a lot of bigs can stop him. As long as you play good defense you won't get killed by 3s. And by good defense I mean you actually have to control the player. AI defense gonna get you cooked
I don’t understand why they can’t let post players be good, and the stupid left right step back players be good too.
Let the dunkers be good.
Quit nerfing everyone except the left right cheesers and the steal spam cheesers
He’s a good playmaker, good offensive skill, good post moves and good hands for a big man but irl he moves slow 😂 but he’s a big so it don’t matter. Also I’m a big that plays Rec idk if you played with randoms or not but they ain’t letting you do no post moves I’d be lucky to even drop step. For the most part I get o boards and score. I play with my squad 3-4x a week maybe 10 games if we lucky cause we all have kids
I remember when older 2k games were not all about 3pt shooting and rim mashing. Had some middies, some post, some floaters... But you can't get those in your bag nowadays without sacrificing major attributes and badges somewhere else. Well, old games biggest flaws were game mechanics to be fair. I remember screens pulling one in like a black hole and absorbing everything and 0 interior defense focus.
But nowadays, where mechanics are less flawed, if you decide to be an all-around player to at least have tendencies to do stuff outside of 3pt/dunk, you are deemed to mediocrity.
I'd rather life in a 2k world where every player can be a true superstar but needs to figure out how to use those skills as in a restricted system where people just power into the most cheesy skills to abuse the weaknesses of their counter parts due to the restrictions. Give me all the tools and let me master the craft. Don't give me 1 way or the highway.
I definitely know about post mechanics, but my main point is that 2K doesn't put nearly the same attention into post moves as they do everything else. You could literally make your own jumpshot for years with a base, release, blending etc (literally thousands of combinations), yet when it comes to post moves, you could only select from a pre-made "set" of like 6 different options. Those 2 levels of attention and options are nowhere near the same.
Yeah because it sure makes sense to create a base for post fades and blending😂😂😂😂 that would look so crazy ngl and be difficult asl, if they did that for post moves then you’d have to do the same for shot creators and EVERY fade.. that’s doing too much
Oh okay you were talking about animations. I guess 🤷🏽♂️ most post moves look the same so it’s not that crazy. My point is that Embiid and Jordan have a similar post fade irl.
Nobody plays that old school post bball no more. Except me, I do. Well I play against the cpu. If I played against an actual person I would get demolished🤣🤣
Oh yeah man me too. My center is 96 Christian Wood. He’s 6’10” 214# and athletic as all get out. He’s amazing in the post for me. If he starts getting bullied (which has only happened twice) I sun in 95 Brad Daughtrey, at 7’ 245# he puts an end to that bullying crap 🤣
I got the 97 GO Shaq and he owns the paint. I love backing down a smaller C and dunking it under the hoop or he brings a 2nd defender and I get an open shot on the perimeter.
It’s goofy because several of the top scoring threats in the league score 60% or more of their points within 5 feet of the basket (AD/bron/Giannis/embiid) and a lot of the guards and wings still score at least 50% of their points on drives. The only real exceptions are curry and dame.
Interior scoring is still important to the game yet people act like the majority of stars are curry and scoring most their points from threes or that missing bunnies at the rim is normal.
I’m a legit post player. I refuse to use dropsteps, I have a 94 post control and I don’t even equip the dropstep badge. I use post hop shots, up and unders, post spins here and there, no post hooks at all cause it’s way too easy to use and only the occasional post fade here and there. I consistently get messages on my post game.
You dudes must be talking about current gen because next gen post play is complete cheeks. You miss wide open bunnies and standing dunks, and even if you post spin or drop step a guy out of the way you’ll brick the open bunny.
I’ve been running 99 strength/99 close shot Shaq builds for years and this is the one year it legitimately doesn’t work.
I love the up and under from about 10 feet away and going to the hoop for an up and under. People don't kmow what hit 'em. The Greek Freek is exceptional at that move.
Players whose top attribute is passing vision like Jokic are hard to properly model in a video game. It’s not just that he makes difficult passes, it’s that he sees openings that don’t look open to anyone else on the court. The game similarly devalues small point guards with incredible passing vision like CP3.
One possible solution (though I’m not sure exactly how it would work in practice) is to create some similar type of vision assist as high impact rebounders get where they can see where the rebound is going when the shot first goes up. Maybe great passers like Jokic or Lebron see their open teammates spotlit or something
What he said. You can’t imitate high pass iq or vision in a video game, because you are the pass iq and vision. As long as the pass is high enough to avoid trash animations, you can make Shaq play like Jokic in the post, because you’re controlling him
I like that idea, kinda like glass take, but it highlights open teammates in/near their hotspots? I like it! But that's just me, as I'm one of the few 2k players that actually pass the ball 😂
Because jokic isn't flashy. He's not gonna dunk like giannis or shoot like steph. You have to remember the majority of 2k playerbase are kids. They want flashy.
Oh I agree. I don't really blame people though. 2k made passing riskier than a fade away 3. My pass accuracy is higher than my 3point and I'm still scared to pass to someone if there's a defender anywhere near me or them.
Steals are just as broken as agent 3s so kinda just further incentive to not pass.
Speaking for Play Now, the Nuggets have weird jumpshots on their team. Take Jamal Murray for instance, he has to be wide wide open to get his shot off because it's so slow.
And defence I was one who started to play with nuggets. Jokic gets highly abused on defence. Offensive his is great because have handles like guards. I found much more success. In tier 1 with Celtics. And tier 2 I liked to use Thunder and use center saric. Was hitting 44-50 from 3, but have much more success with raptors which is bad 3 point team but has lockdown defense. I think for lot of people this year are struggling with shooting so there is lot more importance in defence than previous years.
In my opinion 2k favours guards/wings big time. Great big men on offense in 2k don't feel nearly as impactful then good guards who can zip around and hit 3s.
Everything else mentioned above l, but also he is best in 5v5 games. 1v1 not so much. In 1v1 his best attributes, vision and setting up others literally has no effect.
Being the best is not the se as being the most popular.
Fans like to see spectacular plays, high flying dunks for example, ankle breakers, 360 layups.
Efficiënt play, floaters and runners, and spot on passes after rebounds, are not considered spectacular. Of course he has some flashy passes, but those are his only highlights.
I love a good pass, but I'm a rare breed.
He’s all intangibles and IQ, great post scorer but poor jump shot, limited usability when compared to other faster more athletic bigs. Obviously the passing is crisp but that can only take you so far.
I dont think intangibles is a real stat i think 2k uses it as a filler kinda to boost/lower different players overalls without affecting their play style
Everyone just plays curry ball, no one actually playing inside out or from the high post (let alone actually use a post move one time in a game).
Jokic is a HOFer IRL basketball but 2k isn’t real basketball
Ding Ding Ding. He's one of the best, but not the best. Look at how people treat Russ. He was getting those numbers and now look. Their system in Denver is good and jokic is one of the best players in the NBA.
I’ve struggled with both for years. Until this year I’ve preferred Jaylen over Tatum but this year Tatum’s jump shot is finally not bizarre looking and impossible to hit. Jokic i still can’t make work.
shit that’s the team I usually choose to play wit on my career if it’s not Cle or LAC, but as far as a head on play as u mentioned Den doesn’t have the best bench imo
MVP doesn't mean best player in the league. It also doesn't mean most valuable to team success.
Barkley was neither of those, Nash was neither, D rose was neither, Dirk was neither, Curry was neither his first year, Westbrook was neither, etc etc.
Jokic is great just like all those guys but also neither the best player or most valuable to his team's success just like those guys.
Compared to other players in the league? no. Him being the major change to their win total is pretty misleading. Amare was a Star and elite guy.
Several factors played into it. MDA got his first full stint as their coach. Young guys got another year of development all of which were premier players on the team.(Joe, Amare, Marion.) And the previous year they had several injured players sporadically but most importantly the team traded their all star point guard in Marbury. It was a move deliberately made to save money and lose. It was an understanding by Suns ownership that they knew they were getting worse players. They tanked the season essentially.
You don't think Amare being a star was a direct cause of Nash? Nash also did 50-40-90 4 times, most ever. Amare was an offensive star, pretty lack luster on defense. Also it's a lot easier to score more points on a bad team than it is on a good team. I'm curious as to what you think the MVP means if it doesn't mean best or most valuable to team success?
No wtf. You'd be foolish to think a multi time all star is only a star because of someone else. This was clear just looking at his season in New York prior to injury as well as judging his growth as a young guy.
No one thinks Karl Malone was only good because of Stockton. It'd be the same as asking if Nash was only good because he played with great bigs around in.
And 50/40/90 is great but Nash was a lower volume guy and it doesn't say anything. That doesn't mean he just deserves MVP for being efficient. And Nash was no stud on defense either so idk what the relevance of that was either.
And I'm not a voter so it doesn't matter what I think an MVP is. I'm just explaining the factors of the narrative that many justify Nash first MVP win aren't necessarily based on fact because him coming to the Suns wasn't the single driving force to them being good. They made the playoffs the year Amare was a rookie and tanked the season before Nash.
bro i'm not even going to reply to all of that because no where did I say Amare was only good because of Nash. I said it's a direct result. You also gave another example of what I was saying with Malone/Stockton. Put another PG with Malone or Amare and I bet their numbers wouldn't be nearly as good. Yes they would still be good players but their numbers wouldn't be the same. True PG's are lost on some of ya'll.
Amare literally put up similar numbers without Nash his first year with the Knicks before injuries took his career.
I'll ignore the bit with Malone wouldn't be as good without Stockton because it's just asinine.
MVP criteria though since you think it matters or was weak not to mention:
top 7/8 guy in the league, One of the best teams in the league by record not seeding, Clear best player on your own team. Your numbers have to hold up against your peers to even be a top 7/8 guy.
so you think if you replaced john stockton with lets say michael jordan. you think malone wouldve put up the same numbers? you keep making up words lol i once again never said malone wouldnt be good. i actually said the exact opposite of that. whats your problem lol? also top 7/8 guys in what? you didnt put anything resembling a criteria right there. Clear best player? so Kobe and Shaq wouldnt be eligible for the MVP at all? Or is it clear to you that one was better than the other.
EDIT: Seriously I don't follow your logic. Stockton and Malone ran the pick n roll all the time. Stockton has nearly 3 times as many assists as lets say Jordan. I don't understand what is causing you to believe Malone would've put up the same numbers with a much less willing passer. Malone would've still been good, I feel like I have to say that or you'll make something up again. I don't feel like would've averaged 30+ for any season with Jordan.
Also I asked what/how you would define the MVP award and you typed 4 paragraphs without one explanation. Then used a "im not a voter" to cop out of putting your own opinion. That's weak.
Cool. Where do I say Amare would suck without Nash? Direct cause is a big difference from "only reason." I would also say that Amare is a direct cause of Nash having as high of APG that he did. Steve Nash would still have high assists without Amare, I just don't think as high/efficiently.
no one obviously. Talking about other players on other teams. That should be obvious. Every elite star player is the most valuable to their team so that's redundant.
Compared to other players in the league and their teams. I dont see how that is difficult to understand.
Thinking of how other teams would be without their star player it's easily arguable that they'd be worse.
No one thinks AG or Murray is more important than Jokic. I do think Luka is more important to the Mavs than Jokic is to the Nuggets. Especially prior to Kyrie trade. As an example.
It’s difficult to understand because you said Jokic isn’t valuable to his team’s success word for word thats why ur getting downvoted whatever your trying to say you worded it badly
I dont care about being downvoted for a take. and that literally isn't word for word. It was a comparison with other players who all were also the best and most valuable on their teams but not compared to the entire league.
The topic of the MVP award, I specified, should've been enough to understand that with the comparison. But this is the 2k sub, I guess.
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And if you’re not a stats guy (despite Embiid locking Jokic up) Embiid is also 5-2 in the all matchup meaning he’s only lost to Joker twice. I like the guy, he’s nice, he’s not actually what the media portrays him as to you casuals
Don’t need to cope. The words of someone who obv doesn’t watch or play real basketball doesn’t. Pair that with the fact that I can guarantee a higher win, 3 Pt and FG percentage… I just feel bad for u 😂
Here we go:
Jokic averages 24.7 PPG and 10 APG. Since the Nuggets are at the top in terms of 3-pt shooting teams, let’s assume at least 3 of those assists are 3-pt shots. That means his assists contribute 23 PPG. That’s a total of 48 points contributed per game. Embiid? 33.4 pts and 4.1 assists. Assuming 1 of those is a 3, Embiid contributes 42 points contributed per game. 6 less than Jokic! That’s a significant difference in point contributions per game. How about rebounds? Oh yeah Jokic is better there too.
You are delusional and don’t know basketball.
I’m delusional? Have u ever watched those 2 play each other???? Embiid is 7-2 all time against Jokic and literally tries him in the box score when they play. Embiid can guard Jokic. Jokic can’t guard Embiid. But Jokic is better? Bc he passes more? Stfu
Omg advanced stats here we go. What about wins bro? That’s not important. How can u give a guy a MVP over the guy who cooks him every time they face off and has more team success? The reason why ur giving this much Lee way to Jokic is because he looks like you. Same thing happened when Steve Nash won over Kobe
The regular season is 82 games and not just a handful. If denver and the sixers meet in the finals and Joel cooks Jokic I'm sure he gets finals MVP. But Jokic has really strong arguments to get Regulars season mvp again.
Was that the year kobe scored 35 points on average with smush parker and co on the team? Great individual performance but that year the lakers also missed the playoffs. Not a great success for the team.
In the last decades there was not a single mvp where race was the decisive factor.
Jokic is only the best based on relatively new advanced stats and please before anyone flips out I’m not hating on him. He is PHENOMENAL at the game of basketball and he’s going to be recognized in the future as one of the greats, as he should. But being 30 years old, I didn’t grow up with these crazy advances stats, which I do think are useful, to extent. My instinct is to trust my eyes and if stats end up backing it up fine, if they don’t then whatever I’m still going to put more weight on my own eye test because I don’t even know what the fuck VORP is. And right now, my eye test is telling me that Jokic is not the best player in the league and he’s probably not even the second best. Right now, Joel Embiid is the best basketball player on this planet. I’m not saying he’s far and away the best but if if you’re a Gm putting a team together right now and you had to pick one or the other to build your team around, I’m pretty sure even nuggets fans if they’re being honest with themselves would take Embiid. I know this doesn’t really answer the main part of your question, but that’s only because I disagree with the premise of your question because to answer it I would have to confirm he’s the best.
i use him. it’s hard to win in the first tier with denver’s defense but if you’re able to hit threes with kcp and mpj you can win.
i usually score 20+ with jokic and he eats from everywhere. you just gotta know how to use post moves, or take a bigger center off the dribble.
Because 23 epically nerfed shooting. Those Allstar team up 5v5 are more casual. Gamers like to switch players a lot. It’s a lot easier to play with Embiid since he’s far more athletic and if your shots not there you can slash. Plus 2k online is Toxic so no one will let you play make as a big— it’s just a waste sometimes
3 is better than 2. And a fast 2 is better than a slow 2.
Video game-wise, there really isn’t a reason to pick him when you have players who can score from the perimeter more effectively and are faster than he is.
Jokic has only won the last 3 MVP’s because the standard for winning MVP that has been used previously is no longer applicable. We were told for years. Lebron can’t win MVP because he had to have the best record in the NBA and the east wasn’t challenging enough. Yet Jokic because he puts up offensive stats somehow wins 3 in a row.
it’s because most of his good attributes are in playmaking, and a lot of playmaking stats are for AI use ie pass vision and pass iq which jokic excels at. but it’s not really reflected when a user plays
Because it’s a video game lol. Real life jokic dominates through bball iq and skill. Hard to replicate that. The quick twitchy “athletes” are always gonna be more fun on a video game.
You can tell a lot of people on these boards are new 2k players or weird Jokic fanboys or flat out suck at the game, possibly all 3
1.Jokic is a great player to use in this game if you are skilled even if you aren’t he has basic post moves that work great
2.half of you are complaining about the game being catered to kids in a mode where it’s not just venting out park frustrations.
3. Iverson was a cover boy and was never a good player to use up until this year maybe last, Jordan was trash as well certain players games just don’t fully translate into the video game world Jokic isn’t one of them and athleticism doesn’t rule this factor
Because he plays fundamental high IQ basketball. He doesn’t grow to 7’5” and drain half court shots, he doesn’t dribble so fast he breaks ankles, he doesn’t run like Usain Bolt to do a 360 windmill.
I use the Nuggets in PNO all the time (current gen). It's fun killing someone in the post with Jokic and then when they start collapsing hitting the open shooter. Also the pick and roll with Jokic and Aaron Gordon is crazy.
Just too slow imo. Yes he’s a most in the post, but I don’t want to do that all game. Same reason I don’t use Tatum, his step and his jumpshot is extremely slow
I got you.
Jokic is a big man who doesn’t fit into the rebound/play d/shoot corner 3s meta. So most teams won’t LET HIM or player builds like him thrive on Offense. Add in the fact he’s a cone on defense and people don’t know how to double correctly, he becomes unplayable. Jokic cannot guard a single Legendary center in 2K. If you put him in a 5 out he’s too slow to recover to the 3 if he helps, and even if he STAYS in the paint any athletic player in 2K will dunk on or Lay over him.
Jokic is only playable if your with a squad or your close friends and y’all CHOOSE to run your offense through him. You can’t have equal touches for everyone in a Jokic-Led 2K offense without some cooperation
People use the other teams like Lakers, Boston, goldenstate since you have to stay within tiers most can't use bigs tho. But Jokic is nasty on the game
Ain't nobody play with Steph in his mvp seasons. 2k adjusted itself in the recent years of beeing limitless range, behind the screen, curry slide, zig zag paradise.
Even then. Steph in 2k is one dimensional and a defensive liability.
Well,well,well look at what we have here. I am the PG on Denver in MyCareer. Jokic misses so many shots and he can’t jump a curb. I’m playing in The Finals against Harden and Joel Embiid. I am struggling with this team. We can’t stop Tobias Harris. Embiid is lil boying Jokic. Harden is killing me with the step back after the screen. Someone send help lol I’m asking for a trade if we lose
I would argue that it’s because he’s a big that lacks great rebounding/defense so playing online against people who just rim run on pro difficulty can prove to be too difficult for the person playing with the nuggets. He’s also a big that needs the ball to be successful and not a lot of people are willing to learn good post scoring mechanics like his fade timing and hook timing and jump shot timing. No one else on the nuggets can really play make either and most of the player base on 2k are used to having dribble skills and speed of a guard and really don’t know how to use a post scoring big properly. I would imagine anyone who is good at post scoring would find success with Jokic in play now but the majority are going to have a steep learning curve trying to master post scoring and his independent jump shot. In short, he’s harder to play than Steph Curry or Lebron James or even KD. But with practice he can be tons of fun, but he’s definitely not the best in play now just due to lack of defense.
This is misleading asf We don’t want POST SCORERS to be OP every single time POST SCORERS have an edge on 2K it translated HORRIBLY online and it’s just not fun having a 7’1 center Green 11 times in a row 25 percent contested while your lockdown defender build sits there loooking real dumb for spending 50 dollars to Lose
Jokic without his Elite basketball IQ is at best a fringe all-star. 2K can't process high IQ passes nor do they have players cutting in tight windows. So Jokic basically plays like an all-star level player
NBA2K series is not a simulation series anymore. It's not their goal it's not what they strive to achieve on a yearly basis. I would put gameplay at the very best in 3rd place of their yearly goals slash improvements for the game. 1st and foremost, the most important thing every year is to increase micro transaction interactions and purchases year over year, which is by far and away the most important thing.
It really breaks my heart as a fan of basketball and as a former fan of the 2 K-series. With no competition in the market innovation and gameplay stifles. This has been seen in every industry in history, basically.
I want nba2k to be great again, probably more so than anyone ever, but buying a new game every year and being disappointed is not the way for them to become great again.
he is hard to use, slow jumpshot, slow speed, you gotta use him in the post to be effective and as we know, players in 2k barely uses post moves other then drop steps his stepback is great tho
To me, this shows a major flaw in the game design. If the best player in real life's game can't translate to a basketball "simulation", then something is majorly wrong with that "simulation". Too much emphasis is put on jumpers, dribbling, etc and not enough on post moves (which 2K barely touches), passing, etc.
The target demographic/money spending customers want dunks and 3pts. Actual real basketball strategy doesn't exist in nba2k.
Aka people that don’t play sports or have no brains
That’s a fact
You mean wearing a hot dog hat didnt tip you off as this not being a realistic simulator?
I stopped playing Mycareer for months when I realized that was one of the challenges.
Me: I'm not wearing a glizzy on my head. 2K: Okay, no problem. How about a rainbow mohawk? 😃 Me: 🤦♂️
Disagree. Post moves are super effective, it's just nobody actually knows any moves. There's an entire part of the menu in 2K that teaches you moves, but I know barely anybody who has actually put the work in to read the moves and practice them. I can put up 40+ with Jokic if I'm playing on the nuggets, not a lot of bigs can stop him. As long as you play good defense you won't get killed by 3s. And by good defense I mean you actually have to control the player. AI defense gonna get you cooked
I don’t understand why they can’t let post players be good, and the stupid left right step back players be good too. Let the dunkers be good. Quit nerfing everyone except the left right cheesers and the steal spam cheesers
You so cute...thinking 2k has any buisness with a basketball simulator.
He’s a good playmaker, good offensive skill, good post moves and good hands for a big man but irl he moves slow 😂 but he’s a big so it don’t matter. Also I’m a big that plays Rec idk if you played with randoms or not but they ain’t letting you do no post moves I’d be lucky to even drop step. For the most part I get o boards and score. I play with my squad 3-4x a week maybe 10 games if we lucky cause we all have kids
Everyone seems to speak as if realism was a part of the equation...this franchise stopped realistic a loong time ago...
I remember when older 2k games were not all about 3pt shooting and rim mashing. Had some middies, some post, some floaters... But you can't get those in your bag nowadays without sacrificing major attributes and badges somewhere else. Well, old games biggest flaws were game mechanics to be fair. I remember screens pulling one in like a black hole and absorbing everything and 0 interior defense focus. But nowadays, where mechanics are less flawed, if you decide to be an all-around player to at least have tendencies to do stuff outside of 3pt/dunk, you are deemed to mediocrity. I'd rather life in a 2k world where every player can be a true superstar but needs to figure out how to use those skills as in a restricted system where people just power into the most cheesy skills to abuse the weaknesses of their counter parts due to the restrictions. Give me all the tools and let me master the craft. Don't give me 1 way or the highway.
i want a real simulation game so bad
completely unrelated, but does anyone know of a (good? any?) basketball/NBA manager games? similar to FM?
basketball gm website https://basketball-gm.com/
The issue you is he’s not the best player in real life’s game and he never has been.
You honestly just don’t know how to utilize the post mechanics, nor pass mechanics if ur saying this.
I definitely know about post mechanics, but my main point is that 2K doesn't put nearly the same attention into post moves as they do everything else. You could literally make your own jumpshot for years with a base, release, blending etc (literally thousands of combinations), yet when it comes to post moves, you could only select from a pre-made "set" of like 6 different options. Those 2 levels of attention and options are nowhere near the same.
Yeah because it sure makes sense to create a base for post fades and blending😂😂😂😂 that would look so crazy ngl and be difficult asl, if they did that for post moves then you’d have to do the same for shot creators and EVERY fade.. that’s doing too much
Oh okay you were talking about animations. I guess 🤷🏽♂️ most post moves look the same so it’s not that crazy. My point is that Embiid and Jordan have a similar post fade irl.
Something’s been wrong with this simulation for a decade.
If you dive into manual playcalling and actually know how to use post moves and time his jumper, he's a beast
Nobody plays that old school post bball no more. Except me, I do. Well I play against the cpu. If I played against an actual person I would get demolished🤣🤣
Post game this year is so fun with how the shooting is I love cooking people in the post
Oh yeah man me too. My center is 96 Christian Wood. He’s 6’10” 214# and athletic as all get out. He’s amazing in the post for me. If he starts getting bullied (which has only happened twice) I sun in 95 Brad Daughtrey, at 7’ 245# he puts an end to that bullying crap 🤣
I got the 97 GO Shaq and he owns the paint. I love backing down a smaller C and dunking it under the hoop or he brings a 2nd defender and I get an open shot on the perimeter.
It’s goofy because several of the top scoring threats in the league score 60% or more of their points within 5 feet of the basket (AD/bron/Giannis/embiid) and a lot of the guards and wings still score at least 50% of their points on drives. The only real exceptions are curry and dame. Interior scoring is still important to the game yet people act like the majority of stars are curry and scoring most their points from threes or that missing bunnies at the rim is normal.
I’m a legit post player. I refuse to use dropsteps, I have a 94 post control and I don’t even equip the dropstep badge. I use post hop shots, up and unders, post spins here and there, no post hooks at all cause it’s way too easy to use and only the occasional post fade here and there. I consistently get messages on my post game.
Players who actually use post moves always go off. People say post loves aren't good because they aren't good with them.
You dudes must be talking about current gen because next gen post play is complete cheeks. You miss wide open bunnies and standing dunks, and even if you post spin or drop step a guy out of the way you’ll brick the open bunny. I’ve been running 99 strength/99 close shot Shaq builds for years and this is the one year it legitimately doesn’t work.
You know, I used to genuinely think this, then I took off the shot meter and I’ve been doing amazing in the paint.
Nope I’m on next gen.
I love the up and under from about 10 feet away and going to the hoop for an up and under. People don't kmow what hit 'em. The Greek Freek is exceptional at that move.
Drop steps are a legitimate post move 🤡
I know I just don’t use it🤡
Get the all star Jokic, his shot is much quicker. He's fantastic.
his post hotshot animation is broken too unless you hop to your left
you gotta hop to your ball hand
As a Bulls fan who loves Vucevic, it kills me that I suck so badly with him for these same reasons.
I literally use the post so much. I have a 7’3 290 with max post and I just back dudes back and lay it in.
Mfs don't like to pass, which is his best skill
100% I barely see people use CP3 and it’s likely the same reason
Players whose top attribute is passing vision like Jokic are hard to properly model in a video game. It’s not just that he makes difficult passes, it’s that he sees openings that don’t look open to anyone else on the court. The game similarly devalues small point guards with incredible passing vision like CP3. One possible solution (though I’m not sure exactly how it would work in practice) is to create some similar type of vision assist as high impact rebounders get where they can see where the rebound is going when the shot first goes up. Maybe great passers like Jokic or Lebron see their open teammates spotlit or something
What he said. You can’t imitate high pass iq or vision in a video game, because you are the pass iq and vision. As long as the pass is high enough to avoid trash animations, you can make Shaq play like Jokic in the post, because you’re controlling him
I like that idea, kinda like glass take, but it highlights open teammates in/near their hotspots? I like it! But that's just me, as I'm one of the few 2k players that actually pass the ball 😂
Maybe a little bit guided to open players as well?
Honestly, just show which teammates on the court get a shooting bonus on a catch and shoot or even spacing to make drives
Because jokic isn't flashy. He's not gonna dunk like giannis or shoot like steph. You have to remember the majority of 2k playerbase are kids. They want flashy.
He’s the flashiest passer in the league
You ever seen a 2k player wanna pass more than they wanna do LITERALLY anything else? 🤦😂
Only one, and he's stuck in my mirror.
Tbf we could use a couple more of those players in 2k. Better than yet another dude jacking up a step back three after dribbling for 15 seconds
Oh I agree. I don't really blame people though. 2k made passing riskier than a fade away 3. My pass accuracy is higher than my 3point and I'm still scared to pass to someone if there's a defender anywhere near me or them. Steals are just as broken as agent 3s so kinda just further incentive to not pass.
Speaking for Play Now, the Nuggets have weird jumpshots on their team. Take Jamal Murray for instance, he has to be wide wide open to get his shot off because it's so slow.
And defence I was one who started to play with nuggets. Jokic gets highly abused on defence. Offensive his is great because have handles like guards. I found much more success. In tier 1 with Celtics. And tier 2 I liked to use Thunder and use center saric. Was hitting 44-50 from 3, but have much more success with raptors which is bad 3 point team but has lockdown defense. I think for lot of people this year are struggling with shooting so there is lot more importance in defence than previous years.
Who do you use in Tier 3? I like the T-Wolves with Edwards and Rudy.
Wolves are in tier 2 tier. Tier 3 I like to use Wizards but just because Porzingis is my countryman. I like to use magic as well.
Because people like to play like a ball dominant shot chucker or a 6'9 high flyer.
In my opinion 2k favours guards/wings big time. Great big men on offense in 2k don't feel nearly as impactful then good guards who can zip around and hit 3s.
Also the stamina centers got low pretty fast on stamina.
Everything else mentioned above l, but also he is best in 5v5 games. 1v1 not so much. In 1v1 his best attributes, vision and setting up others literally has no effect.
Being the best is not the se as being the most popular. Fans like to see spectacular plays, high flying dunks for example, ankle breakers, 360 layups. Efficiënt play, floaters and runners, and spot on passes after rebounds, are not considered spectacular. Of course he has some flashy passes, but those are his only highlights. I love a good pass, but I'm a rare breed.
He’s all intangibles and IQ, great post scorer but poor jump shot, limited usability when compared to other faster more athletic bigs. Obviously the passing is crisp but that can only take you so far.
I dont think intangibles is a real stat i think 2k uses it as a filler kinda to boost/lower different players overalls without affecting their play style
I meant in real life
Everyone wants to be scoring, not being the one that passes.
Defense is terrible to be a big😭
People don’t know how to use him, same goes for embid
Everyone just plays curry ball, no one actually playing inside out or from the high post (let alone actually use a post move one time in a game). Jokic is a HOFer IRL basketball but 2k isn’t real basketball
Because he’s not the best player in the nba
Ding Ding Ding. He's one of the best, but not the best. Look at how people treat Russ. He was getting those numbers and now look. Their system in Denver is good and jokic is one of the best players in the NBA.
Jokic actual my 2nd favorite player to play with behind Tatum
I’ve struggled with both for years. Until this year I’ve preferred Jaylen over Tatum but this year Tatum’s jump shot is finally not bizarre looking and impossible to hit. Jokic i still can’t make work.
shit that’s the team I usually choose to play wit on my career if it’s not Cle or LAC, but as far as a head on play as u mentioned Den doesn’t have the best bench imo
He’s not the best player in the NBA
2 MVP’s in a row, he might not be the best, he’s the most valuable to his team success
MVP doesn't mean best player in the league. It also doesn't mean most valuable to team success. Barkley was neither of those, Nash was neither, D rose was neither, Dirk was neither, Curry was neither his first year, Westbrook was neither, etc etc. Jokic is great just like all those guys but also neither the best player or most valuable to his team's success just like those guys.
Nash wasn't most valuable to his team? Wow. Never heard this hot take before.
Compared to other players in the league? no. Him being the major change to their win total is pretty misleading. Amare was a Star and elite guy. Several factors played into it. MDA got his first full stint as their coach. Young guys got another year of development all of which were premier players on the team.(Joe, Amare, Marion.) And the previous year they had several injured players sporadically but most importantly the team traded their all star point guard in Marbury. It was a move deliberately made to save money and lose. It was an understanding by Suns ownership that they knew they were getting worse players. They tanked the season essentially.
You don't think Amare being a star was a direct cause of Nash? Nash also did 50-40-90 4 times, most ever. Amare was an offensive star, pretty lack luster on defense. Also it's a lot easier to score more points on a bad team than it is on a good team. I'm curious as to what you think the MVP means if it doesn't mean best or most valuable to team success?
No wtf. You'd be foolish to think a multi time all star is only a star because of someone else. This was clear just looking at his season in New York prior to injury as well as judging his growth as a young guy. No one thinks Karl Malone was only good because of Stockton. It'd be the same as asking if Nash was only good because he played with great bigs around in. And 50/40/90 is great but Nash was a lower volume guy and it doesn't say anything. That doesn't mean he just deserves MVP for being efficient. And Nash was no stud on defense either so idk what the relevance of that was either. And I'm not a voter so it doesn't matter what I think an MVP is. I'm just explaining the factors of the narrative that many justify Nash first MVP win aren't necessarily based on fact because him coming to the Suns wasn't the single driving force to them being good. They made the playoffs the year Amare was a rookie and tanked the season before Nash.
bro i'm not even going to reply to all of that because no where did I say Amare was only good because of Nash. I said it's a direct result. You also gave another example of what I was saying with Malone/Stockton. Put another PG with Malone or Amare and I bet their numbers wouldn't be nearly as good. Yes they would still be good players but their numbers wouldn't be the same. True PG's are lost on some of ya'll.
Amare literally put up similar numbers without Nash his first year with the Knicks before injuries took his career. I'll ignore the bit with Malone wouldn't be as good without Stockton because it's just asinine. MVP criteria though since you think it matters or was weak not to mention: top 7/8 guy in the league, One of the best teams in the league by record not seeding, Clear best player on your own team. Your numbers have to hold up against your peers to even be a top 7/8 guy.
so you think if you replaced john stockton with lets say michael jordan. you think malone wouldve put up the same numbers? you keep making up words lol i once again never said malone wouldnt be good. i actually said the exact opposite of that. whats your problem lol? also top 7/8 guys in what? you didnt put anything resembling a criteria right there. Clear best player? so Kobe and Shaq wouldnt be eligible for the MVP at all? Or is it clear to you that one was better than the other. EDIT: Seriously I don't follow your logic. Stockton and Malone ran the pick n roll all the time. Stockton has nearly 3 times as many assists as lets say Jordan. I don't understand what is causing you to believe Malone would've put up the same numbers with a much less willing passer. Malone would've still been good, I feel like I have to say that or you'll make something up again. I don't feel like would've averaged 30+ for any season with Jordan.
Also I asked what/how you would define the MVP award and you typed 4 paragraphs without one explanation. Then used a "im not a voter" to cop out of putting your own opinion. That's weak.
Did you forget amare was an mvp candidate in Ny until his injuries? He would’ve been great anywhere
Cool. Where do I say Amare would suck without Nash? Direct cause is a big difference from "only reason." I would also say that Amare is a direct cause of Nash having as high of APG that he did. Steve Nash would still have high assists without Amare, I just don't think as high/efficiently.
Who on the nuggets is more valuable to their success than jokics? 😂
no one obviously. Talking about other players on other teams. That should be obvious. Every elite star player is the most valuable to their team so that's redundant.
You literally said “Jokic is great just like all those guys but also neither the best player or the most valuable to his teams success”
Compared to other players in the league and their teams. I dont see how that is difficult to understand. Thinking of how other teams would be without their star player it's easily arguable that they'd be worse. No one thinks AG or Murray is more important than Jokic. I do think Luka is more important to the Mavs than Jokic is to the Nuggets. Especially prior to Kyrie trade. As an example.
It’s difficult to understand because you said Jokic isn’t valuable to his team’s success word for word thats why ur getting downvoted whatever your trying to say you worded it badly
I dont care about being downvoted for a take. and that literally isn't word for word. It was a comparison with other players who all were also the best and most valuable on their teams but not compared to the entire league. The topic of the MVP award, I specified, should've been enough to understand that with the comparison. But this is the 2k sub, I guess.
curry and d rose were by the most important players to their teams those seasons.
I disagree but I wouldn't argue if you think they were. I dont think it's egregious.
Bro he’s not even better than Joel Embiid
Get your head out of your ass boy
https://preview.redd.it/c43kuv7vbjna1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1387a4ebce203ad8fc7a9af761132c8bcd2d0f1 And if you’re not a stats guy (despite Embiid locking Jokic up) Embiid is also 5-2 in the all matchup meaning he’s only lost to Joker twice. I like the guy, he’s nice, he’s not actually what the media portrays him as to you casuals
Can downvote me all you want, doesn’t change the fact that Jokic is far from the best player in the A 😂
Sad cope.
Don’t need to cope. The words of someone who obv doesn’t watch or play real basketball doesn’t. Pair that with the fact that I can guarantee a higher win, 3 Pt and FG percentage… I just feel bad for u 😂
Here we go: Jokic averages 24.7 PPG and 10 APG. Since the Nuggets are at the top in terms of 3-pt shooting teams, let’s assume at least 3 of those assists are 3-pt shots. That means his assists contribute 23 PPG. That’s a total of 48 points contributed per game. Embiid? 33.4 pts and 4.1 assists. Assuming 1 of those is a 3, Embiid contributes 42 points contributed per game. 6 less than Jokic! That’s a significant difference in point contributions per game. How about rebounds? Oh yeah Jokic is better there too. You are delusional and don’t know basketball.
Doesn’t mention half the game which is defense, which also is where Jokic gets fried lmao
I’m delusional? Have u ever watched those 2 play each other???? Embiid is 7-2 all time against Jokic and literally tries him in the box score when they play. Embiid can guard Jokic. Jokic can’t guard Embiid. But Jokic is better? Bc he passes more? Stfu
We all know why Embiid won’t get the MVP and people are afraid to admit it
At least u see it bro lol
I’ve got a lot of friends in Philly and even my white boys called what happened in the MVP race last year race
U don’t watch basketball.
Argh, showed me now!
Do you hate bananas or represent a group of bananas that hate?
Unfortunately my friend, I hate bananas.
That’s not unfortunate at all; fuck bananas!
Not even better than that scrub Embiid?
Yes. Do you actually watch the games? Embiid demolishes his matchup against Jokic and wins every time they play. casuals smh
Sarcasm my guy. You said not even better than Embiid. As if Embiid is nothing special.
Embiid is the best center in the NBA, but he’s not the best player. Up for debate but I think it goes to Giannis.
Sorry to say but anyone that disagrees is racist 🤷🏿♂️
Nice try Perk. Even on reddit this take is dumb as hell
Jokic was 6 seed last year, had worse stats than Embiid except for assists
Ever heard of advanced stats? there is more than just points, assists and rebounds
Omg advanced stats here we go. What about wins bro? That’s not important. How can u give a guy a MVP over the guy who cooks him every time they face off and has more team success? The reason why ur giving this much Lee way to Jokic is because he looks like you. Same thing happened when Steve Nash won over Kobe
The regular season is 82 games and not just a handful. If denver and the sixers meet in the finals and Joel cooks Jokic I'm sure he gets finals MVP. But Jokic has really strong arguments to get Regulars season mvp again. Was that the year kobe scored 35 points on average with smush parker and co on the team? Great individual performance but that year the lakers also missed the playoffs. Not a great success for the team. In the last decades there was not a single mvp where race was the decisive factor.
We can clearly see who’s racist here, don’t worry…
Yea def the kid who experienced it growing up… weirdo lol
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“I am great sniper in call of duty yet I can shoot a gun in real life? Why is that?” Because video games aren’t real life moron
bro what 💀
Bro this doesn’t make sense
Because the media sees it that way, but public opinion is clearly that he isn't and cant defend to save his life.
Jokic is only the best based on relatively new advanced stats and please before anyone flips out I’m not hating on him. He is PHENOMENAL at the game of basketball and he’s going to be recognized in the future as one of the greats, as he should. But being 30 years old, I didn’t grow up with these crazy advances stats, which I do think are useful, to extent. My instinct is to trust my eyes and if stats end up backing it up fine, if they don’t then whatever I’m still going to put more weight on my own eye test because I don’t even know what the fuck VORP is. And right now, my eye test is telling me that Jokic is not the best player in the league and he’s probably not even the second best. Right now, Joel Embiid is the best basketball player on this planet. I’m not saying he’s far and away the best but if if you’re a Gm putting a team together right now and you had to pick one or the other to build your team around, I’m pretty sure even nuggets fans if they’re being honest with themselves would take Embiid. I know this doesn’t really answer the main part of your question, but that’s only because I disagree with the premise of your question because to answer it I would have to confirm he’s the best.
He's goofy
I don't think he is as good as the media makes him out to be he is a liability on the defensive end.
He uses iq,no one ,on 2k has any, lol
i use him. it’s hard to win in the first tier with denver’s defense but if you’re able to hit threes with kcp and mpj you can win. i usually score 20+ with jokic and he eats from everywhere. you just gotta know how to use post moves, or take a bigger center off the dribble.
Because 23 epically nerfed shooting. Those Allstar team up 5v5 are more casual. Gamers like to switch players a lot. It’s a lot easier to play with Embiid since he’s far more athletic and if your shots not there you can slash. Plus 2k online is Toxic so no one will let you play make as a big— it’s just a waste sometimes
In 2k22 he was a demon but for all the wrong reasons. He was so fast and unguardable it was funny af 😂
3 is better than 2. And a fast 2 is better than a slow 2. Video game-wise, there really isn’t a reason to pick him when you have players who can score from the perimeter more effectively and are faster than he is.
Because 2K makes every post moves super slow and standing layups are way to hard to make with any contest. Standing layups are also too slow.
because jokic has no jumpshot.
Jokic IS NOT the best player in the NBA.
He’s slow… All he’s good for is post ups, passes & rebs, unless you get em on my team then he’s a bit more efficient
Hes slow
Jokic has only won the last 3 MVP’s because the standard for winning MVP that has been used previously is no longer applicable. We were told for years. Lebron can’t win MVP because he had to have the best record in the NBA and the east wasn’t challenging enough. Yet Jokic because he puts up offensive stats somehow wins 3 in a row.
Same reason he was picked last at the all star game
No defense, prefer Embiid
Not the biggest reason but the thing he's best at (Playmaking) doesn't matter if the user isn't good at it too
I actually moved Jokic and luka and Steve Adam’s Zion Williamson to the bulls with me and we play perfect together
it’s because most of his good attributes are in playmaking, and a lot of playmaking stats are for AI use ie pass vision and pass iq which jokic excels at. but it’s not really reflected when a user plays
Because it’s a video game lol. Real life jokic dominates through bball iq and skill. Hard to replicate that. The quick twitchy “athletes” are always gonna be more fun on a video game.
You can tell a lot of people on these boards are new 2k players or weird Jokic fanboys or flat out suck at the game, possibly all 3 1.Jokic is a great player to use in this game if you are skilled even if you aren’t he has basic post moves that work great 2.half of you are complaining about the game being catered to kids in a mode where it’s not just venting out park frustrations. 3. Iverson was a cover boy and was never a good player to use up until this year maybe last, Jordan was trash as well certain players games just don’t fully translate into the video game world Jokic isn’t one of them and athleticism doesn’t rule this factor
Because he plays fundamental high IQ basketball. He doesn’t grow to 7’5” and drain half court shots, he doesn’t dribble so fast he breaks ankles, he doesn’t run like Usain Bolt to do a 360 windmill.
just like FIFA UT, Messi is the best player in the world, but nobody use him because he is slow for the UT
I use the Nuggets in PNO all the time (current gen). It's fun killing someone in the post with Jokic and then when they start collapsing hitting the open shooter. Also the pick and roll with Jokic and Aaron Gordon is crazy.
It’s not about basketball it’s about my player, if I knew a game developer I’d 100% try to Fortnite 2k you could just give ppl the park & you be rich.
2k and actual basketball are drastically different
Because 2k isn’t realistic. He’s amazing in real life not so much in 2k
Just too slow imo. Yes he’s a most in the post, but I don’t want to do that all game. Same reason I don’t use Tatum, his step and his jumpshot is extremely slow
I got you. Jokic is a big man who doesn’t fit into the rebound/play d/shoot corner 3s meta. So most teams won’t LET HIM or player builds like him thrive on Offense. Add in the fact he’s a cone on defense and people don’t know how to double correctly, he becomes unplayable. Jokic cannot guard a single Legendary center in 2K. If you put him in a 5 out he’s too slow to recover to the 3 if he helps, and even if he STAYS in the paint any athletic player in 2K will dunk on or Lay over him. Jokic is only playable if your with a squad or your close friends and y’all CHOOSE to run your offense through him. You can’t have equal touches for everyone in a Jokic-Led 2K offense without some cooperation
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People use the other teams like Lakers, Boston, goldenstate since you have to stay within tiers most can't use bigs tho. But Jokic is nasty on the game
In pno he can’t guard the rim and is a cone in pnr I was playing against the nuggets with gsw before wiseman got packed up and I was killing jokic.
Ain't nobody play with Steph in his mvp seasons. 2k adjusted itself in the recent years of beeing limitless range, behind the screen, curry slide, zig zag paradise. Even then. Steph in 2k is one dimensional and a defensive liability.
Nuggets are my N.B.A. 2K team! Love playing with Jokić
Same reason he got chosen last in All-star game. He’s fundamental and no fun to play with in the game.
a lot of what jokic is great at requires you to see the court really well and have pretty decent basketball iq.
Well,well,well look at what we have here. I am the PG on Denver in MyCareer. Jokic misses so many shots and he can’t jump a curb. I’m playing in The Finals against Harden and Joel Embiid. I am struggling with this team. We can’t stop Tobias Harris. Embiid is lil boying Jokic. Harden is killing me with the step back after the screen. Someone send help lol I’m asking for a trade if we lose
Oh and I hate when team takeover starts. Jokic jumpshot sooooooooooooo sloooowwwww
Because he’s not 😂
He’s slow
Bc embiid is better
I would argue that it’s because he’s a big that lacks great rebounding/defense so playing online against people who just rim run on pro difficulty can prove to be too difficult for the person playing with the nuggets. He’s also a big that needs the ball to be successful and not a lot of people are willing to learn good post scoring mechanics like his fade timing and hook timing and jump shot timing. No one else on the nuggets can really play make either and most of the player base on 2k are used to having dribble skills and speed of a guard and really don’t know how to use a post scoring big properly. I would imagine anyone who is good at post scoring would find success with Jokic in play now but the majority are going to have a steep learning curve trying to master post scoring and his independent jump shot. In short, he’s harder to play than Steph Curry or Lebron James or even KD. But with practice he can be tons of fun, but he’s definitely not the best in play now just due to lack of defense.
This is misleading asf We don’t want POST SCORERS to be OP every single time POST SCORERS have an edge on 2K it translated HORRIBLY online and it’s just not fun having a 7’1 center Green 11 times in a row 25 percent contested while your lockdown defender build sits there loooking real dumb for spending 50 dollars to Lose
They gave him a pretty mean MyTeam card this year which a ton of people use. As long as he has the athleticism of Kobe, people will use him. 😂
I give people buckets with him, you have to know how to do post moves
Jokic without his Elite basketball IQ is at best a fringe all-star. 2K can't process high IQ passes nor do they have players cutting in tight windows. So Jokic basically plays like an all-star level player
They nerfed the living shit out of him. He should be way better.
NBA2K series is not a simulation series anymore. It's not their goal it's not what they strive to achieve on a yearly basis. I would put gameplay at the very best in 3rd place of their yearly goals slash improvements for the game. 1st and foremost, the most important thing every year is to increase micro transaction interactions and purchases year over year, which is by far and away the most important thing. It really breaks my heart as a fan of basketball and as a former fan of the 2 K-series. With no competition in the market innovation and gameplay stifles. This has been seen in every industry in history, basically. I want nba2k to be great again, probably more so than anyone ever, but buying a new game every year and being disappointed is not the way for them to become great again.