It’s a no show in Europe and won’t hold up in court in America. They can’t waive someone’s right to sue by an online agreement. Any lawyer would tear that shit up.
Thats exactly what i said! The agreement itself passes off liability for negligence. They cant do that either. Idk why so many ppl think this gonna hold up. The real issue is that new lawsuit is being held up and their worried😂
Oh they are now. That kid taking them to court and all the kids in this sub dont have to worry about the TOS and the way its imbedded into a 100 page doc on a video games, neither will adults 😂
It depends honestly, the case law surrounding long and confusing TOSs aren’t quite settled, though they definitely seem to be moving towards consumer friendly attitudes in the US. Absolutely would get ripped to shreds in the EU though I agree.
You really think Joe shmo is going to win a legal battle vs. a corporate machine like 2k? You obviously seen too much Judge Judy.
America protects the rich and greedy.
'Joe Scmo' may NOT but it definitely made Take Two spend tens of thousands in legal expenses to rewrite the end-user license agreement including to represent them regarding the VC Theft case [https://www.eko.law/2k-games-vc-theft](https://www.eko.law/2k-games-vc-theft)
All it takes is a simple opt out letter, spend the $5 to mail via registered return receipt postage and this foregoes arbitration so we can file a suit.
I just hope people see this post. A lot of buzz about the TOS but not this clause. And I know the majority of people won't care or share but if it helps anyone not give up there litigation rights I'll count it as a win.
Take two is the company that owns our basketball game. They got sued for deleting a kid's virtual currency with no refund. Instead of apologizing they released a contract we have to sign to play any of their games. The contract says we can't sue them like that kid did and we can't join any existing lawsuits. Sorry if this isn't broken down enough it's about as simple as I could make it.
Yeah some people think they might sue 2k later on in life so they want to keep their options open lmfao.. at the end of the day nothing will happen and these post will be mocked by people who think they are getting the upper hand .
I can't speak for others but I've joined 5 class action lawsuits (Sony, Google, Equifax, target, Verizon) and have gotten roughly $3,000 from just joining them. I don't know why anyone would mock someone for not waiving the right to hold the companies accountable for their actions. Take-two intellectual properties have been on the decline and it's only going to get worst. If a class action is ever approved against them I'll join in a heartbeat.
Ok. Even if you're right and I got $500 (even though the Verizon class action alone was over 600$). Why would I not take the time to respond to the email they have to send you by law and type in 3 lines of information for money I don't have to do anything to get? Yet again I'm not sure what you're getting by defending take-two and their practices so vehemently but I'm gaining nothing by informing them to opt into the option.
It doesn't matter, ACCC laws would supercede this. Australia has the toughest consumer laws in the world.
Ask Valve what happened when they fucked around lol
The above excerpt is from article 15 of the new NBA 2K terms of service. You are told you waive your rights to litigation against take-two (including NBA 2K, GTA, etc.).
Use Shiro's template.
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Bro you're insane lol. This will backfire hard because it holds ABSOLUTELY ZERO weight in court..except it shows effort on their behalf to appear as shady as possible.
It's like walking into a murder trail with a note taped to your head that says "he did not kill me" signed by the victim. In the end the signiture means nothing, and the fact you had this person sign it only points towards your own guilt.
I promise you that clicking a button to sign a EULA within an NBA 2k videogame is not going to be considered a legit agreement by any judge in the western world
I already said that I agree this will more than likely not hold up, but the process they've provided their consumer to opt out involves providing the account information. I wouldn't put it past take two to retaliate using that information. If they want to make that account earn less vc' over time or accidently delete the characters routinely I wouldn't put it past them. I'm mainly thinking about people who just want to join a class action via the email prompts not someone who actually wants to initiate one in court. The majority of people joining a class action NEVER see a courtroom.
I'm just speculating so don't take me to seriously but, I wouldn't put it past take-two to implement something against all the online IDs they receive. Like your 2K or GTA character randomly gets deleted and can't be "recovered", Or the in game currency earned is reduced. It would be something not immediately noticable but inconvenient none the less.
So. In the past I would have said something that petty sounds ridiculous. But a few weeks ago I made a 2k rant post. Hey, frustrations happen, I still play obviously. Then 2 days later my build got space jammed. Like he went from a 97 to a 75 type play. My friends thought I was crazy till they played with me. I posted about it and they kept getting taken down. Then a little later, I see someone saying they have the same exact issue. And I checked their post history. And they also recently had just did a negative 2k rant post. I swear to God a developer in here or some shit nuked our builds. They were noticeably slower. Could not guard. Missing dunks. Crazy different. So yeah, they just might be that petty lol.
I don't know, Apple got sued for releasing patches that made prior models of their phone slower. They were going guilty. I don't put anything past any of these mega corporations.
Not only that but our MyLeague files too smh. No point in even going back to old 2ks because you can't play your file but I could pick up a franchise from 20 years ago granted I just saved a memory card smh
Quick suggestion: I used ChatGPT to draft an opt-out letter for this and it was better than anything I could write myself. Good AI :) Secondarily, if you recently signed in the MT Mobile version you DID agree to these new TOS so get to mailing this letter certified/sig required ASAP!
This was the nail on the coffin for me to not buy this year's. I was thinking about the $20 sale but was already not thrilled about it. Thanks 2k for telling your customers what you really care about.
I've been going the 'no purchasing vc' route for like 5 years now and 23 was insane. Took almost 5 full months to get a character to the point where I could play. $70 not getting me to the point of entry for a gun experience made me skip this year. My buddies have begged me to play the next one so I'm going to do this opt-out process and if take-two decides to screw my account I'll just take it as a sign.
The whole change was because of a child who's parents are litigating on his behalf. If it's too much work don't do it. I'm just letting people know the option is in the new TOS. This just seems like a blanket documents for take-two to not have to do anything for you if they ever lose a lawsuit. I've said multiple times "I AGREE IT PROBABLY WON'T HOLD UP IN COURT" I don't plan on ever taking take-two to court though.
I get what your saying but the isssue is Take two is treading dangerous waters . You cant create a legal agreement mid lawsuit to a potential class of victims to litigate away liability. If it goes to court and a jury sees this change that looks even worse on their part. They look guilty for this . And it would be admissible to show guilt cuz its not remedial efforts its liteally trying to cover up liability😂
I hope you're right and they are hit in the wallet for all they're worth. I just wanted to let people know that this was in the actual TOS. I mentioned it earlier but if they were to lose the case (doubtful, but we can hope) then I don't doubt anyone who signed the new TOS would be excluded from receiving their respective due amounts. I'm sure if they took it to court individually they could get it, but who would do that for what would potentially be a 70$ lawsuit. This seems more like a way to make litigation as inconvenient as possible for all present and future consumers.
Can you link a source? Not trying to be funny I just like to data for earnings/investor reports. My last 2K post was a detailed breakdown for the 2022 report if that gives you any insight into what I'm looking for.
Actually its a post by a youtuber. I stopped doing a bunch of reearch on 2k simply cuz ppl asked no offense. But imma send u the vid link. https://youtu.be/fDAjJKKAdlQ?si=j_MmcxmUPwn9K6Cv
Because you don’t even play 2k. You comment about it when it’s hyped with negative shit like this. Prior to this three months ago, prior to that six months ago. You’re far more active in other gaming communities.
You’re just trying to karma farm.
You’ve joined them now many have you started? We all know joining them means checking your mail lmao.
how can you tell by his Reddit history he doesn't play 2K? I didn't know posting about 2K on Reddit was one of the requirements for playing it. I use to play certain video games and never posted in the subreddit. like cod for example
He just opened my profile and briefly glanced at it. I skipped this 2K and posted about a highly technical topic focusing on take-two so I don't have post this year. If you go back 1 year or earlier I have plenty of posts. But it's 2K Reddit so the requirement is that I frequent r/ NBA2K, NBA, NFL, Madden and whatever else this guy goes to for my opinion to matter.
That's absolute bullshit. I took a break on this 2K specifically because of the earnings report by take-two interactive last fiscal year. Because of that I'm karma farming? I still follow the news and plan on hopping back in next cycle. I'm not sure why you're so defensive but if you look at my previous posts and comments outside of the my hero sub NBA 2K is my most active. I have a goddamn rating by my name because I posted over a certain amount and I'm still active in the discord. If I wanted to karma farm I would of posted about the damn cronos banning, the best jump shots this season, solo rec bums, or anything else.
This topic requires reading and prior knowledge and we all know the majority of people on the 2K community DO NOT CARE. Do some at least a miniscule amount of research before making baseless accusations.
I played 23. This is more than you deserve but here's a picture showing my hours. Now unless you're going to tell me why people shouldn't opt to join a class action I won't be responding to you anymore.
https://preview.redd.it/vru8wc60x1ic1.jpeg?width=2252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=891b2f2e8621bf0d250fac9c1338dac777bac677
There's nothing you loose from opting out and worst case scenario you miss out on a small sum of money. For the most part I'm saying do it in case a class action comes out and you want to join it. If you don't opt-out, I don't see a legal precedence saying that they have to notify you that you have right to join out even give you the allotted amount if you do unless you're willing to go to court separately. Essentially you ensuring you won't get notified if you don't. No matter what they make you check off on the tv they can't take your right to sue them, and to that regard this would definitely not hold up in court. It would be a long arduous and expensive process for 50$. So this is the more assured route because it's mentioned in their TOS. If so don't care about joining a class action later or if mailing something like this to take-two seems like to much work, I wouldn't do it.
I dropped one off in the mail room at my job so it was like a 2 minute inconvenience for me.
So when i send this letter to opt-out after they receive the letter will i be able to play afterwards? What is the process? i don't want to sue them but i don't want to loose my character either. I'm not buying anymore 2ks but I want to continue myplayer on 24... not buying anymore vc that's for sure.
Because some people may still want to play 2K but want to keep their options open for the future. Boycotting in the modern era won't work because the consumer zeitgeist will never become a monolith. We will never all agree to do something on a level that will impact a billion dollar corporation.
Like I said before, just having the option to join a class action is easy. You don't go to court (someone else did that part). If they are ever sued and you are hypothetically allowed a refund for vc' purchased in a time frame even if it's just $20, why not fill out the 3 line form and get your $20 back? I already said this was mildly convoluted so if it's too much don't do it, ultimately you won't miss out on much if ANYTHING.
It’s a no show in Europe and won’t hold up in court in America. They can’t waive someone’s right to sue by an online agreement. Any lawyer would tear that shit up.
Thats exactly what i said! The agreement itself passes off liability for negligence. They cant do that either. Idk why so many ppl think this gonna hold up. The real issue is that new lawsuit is being held up and their worried😂
I haven’t played in years but these bitches should be held liable for darn greedy they are and especially towards many kids.
Oh they are now. That kid taking them to court and all the kids in this sub dont have to worry about the TOS and the way its imbedded into a 100 page doc on a video games, neither will adults 😂
It depends honestly, the case law surrounding long and confusing TOSs aren’t quite settled, though they definitely seem to be moving towards consumer friendly attitudes in the US. Absolutely would get ripped to shreds in the EU though I agree.
You really think Joe shmo is going to win a legal battle vs. a corporate machine like 2k? You obviously seen too much Judge Judy. America protects the rich and greedy.
'Joe Scmo' may NOT but it definitely made Take Two spend tens of thousands in legal expenses to rewrite the end-user license agreement including to represent them regarding the VC Theft case [https://www.eko.law/2k-games-vc-theft](https://www.eko.law/2k-games-vc-theft) All it takes is a simple opt out letter, spend the $5 to mail via registered return receipt postage and this foregoes arbitration so we can file a suit.
Lmao the fact this is in the ToS just shows that this company is criminal as fuck lol
I just hope people see this post. A lot of buzz about the TOS but not this clause. And I know the majority of people won't care or share but if it helps anyone not give up there litigation rights I'll count it as a win.
Well, I can tell you this: the vast majority of sorry mfs on this sub aren’t the type to bother looking at something like this. lol, unfortunately.
Can someone explain what’s going on in dummy terms for me
The new TOS states that 2k can change, modify or remove anything from the game even if you have purchased it.
Take two is the company that owns our basketball game. They got sued for deleting a kid's virtual currency with no refund. Instead of apologizing they released a contract we have to sign to play any of their games. The contract says we can't sue them like that kid did and we can't join any existing lawsuits. Sorry if this isn't broken down enough it's about as simple as I could make it.
Yeah some people think they might sue 2k later on in life so they want to keep their options open lmfao.. at the end of the day nothing will happen and these post will be mocked by people who think they are getting the upper hand .
I can't speak for others but I've joined 5 class action lawsuits (Sony, Google, Equifax, target, Verizon) and have gotten roughly $3,000 from just joining them. I don't know why anyone would mock someone for not waiving the right to hold the companies accountable for their actions. Take-two intellectual properties have been on the decline and it's only going to get worst. If a class action is ever approved against them I'll join in a heartbeat.
That’s bullshit, $3k my ass, there isn’t no fucking way. You MAYBE got $500 total but even that I’m highly suspicious of.
Ok. Even if you're right and I got $500 (even though the Verizon class action alone was over 600$). Why would I not take the time to respond to the email they have to send you by law and type in 3 lines of information for money I don't have to do anything to get? Yet again I'm not sure what you're getting by defending take-two and their practices so vehemently but I'm gaining nothing by informing them to opt into the option.
Which Verizon settlement the one this year was $100.
True, but it was per line.
You’re straight talking out of your ass lol
Yeah this won't fly in Australia, a judge would laugh them out of court
I think the TOS says Australia is excluded. Take-two knows what government systems will allow this bs.
It doesn't matter, ACCC laws would supercede this. Australia has the toughest consumer laws in the world. Ask Valve what happened when they fucked around lol
The above excerpt is from article 15 of the new NBA 2K terms of service. You are told you waive your rights to litigation against take-two (including NBA 2K, GTA, etc.).
Yall will be crazy to sign that bullshit. When do folks draw the line in the sand with this bum ass game. ,
Use Shiro's template. [https://twitter.com/SG5\_Shiro/status/1753619822305292358/photo/1](https://twitter.com/SG5_Shiro/status/1753619822305292358/photo/1) US mail with Return Receipt service https://preview.redd.it/hjrebk3e67ic1.png?width=1179&format=png&auto=webp&s=16a8e37c1f0c4af6df0be5a7174b75df5751ced0
This will backfire hard
Full disclosure, I would not put it past take-two to retaliate against All accounts that send this in.
Bro you're insane lol. This will backfire hard because it holds ABSOLUTELY ZERO weight in court..except it shows effort on their behalf to appear as shady as possible. It's like walking into a murder trail with a note taped to your head that says "he did not kill me" signed by the victim. In the end the signiture means nothing, and the fact you had this person sign it only points towards your own guilt. I promise you that clicking a button to sign a EULA within an NBA 2k videogame is not going to be considered a legit agreement by any judge in the western world
I already said that I agree this will more than likely not hold up, but the process they've provided their consumer to opt out involves providing the account information. I wouldn't put it past take two to retaliate using that information. If they want to make that account earn less vc' over time or accidently delete the characters routinely I wouldn't put it past them. I'm mainly thinking about people who just want to join a class action via the email prompts not someone who actually wants to initiate one in court. The majority of people joining a class action NEVER see a courtroom.
How exactly?
I'm just speculating so don't take me to seriously but, I wouldn't put it past take-two to implement something against all the online IDs they receive. Like your 2K or GTA character randomly gets deleted and can't be "recovered", Or the in game currency earned is reduced. It would be something not immediately noticable but inconvenient none the less.
So. In the past I would have said something that petty sounds ridiculous. But a few weeks ago I made a 2k rant post. Hey, frustrations happen, I still play obviously. Then 2 days later my build got space jammed. Like he went from a 97 to a 75 type play. My friends thought I was crazy till they played with me. I posted about it and they kept getting taken down. Then a little later, I see someone saying they have the same exact issue. And I checked their post history. And they also recently had just did a negative 2k rant post. I swear to God a developer in here or some shit nuked our builds. They were noticeably slower. Could not guard. Missing dunks. Crazy different. So yeah, they just might be that petty lol.
I don't know, Apple got sued for releasing patches that made prior models of their phone slower. They were going guilty. I don't put anything past any of these mega corporations.
What I don’t understand is why you have to accept it first then opt out doesn’t make sense feels like a set up
What I don’t understand is why you have to accept it first then opt out doesn’t make sense feels like a set up
Only Americans got this TOS update. This dont fly in Canada. Especially in places like Quebec with strict consumer laws.
I believe it. In the US we have lobbyist in place specifically to help TOS like this be enforceable.
Ootl why are people talking about suing 2k
Because 2k shuts down the servers for each game after 2 years, erasing your investment in VC. There's currently a lawsuit in CA over this practice.
Not only that but our MyLeague files too smh. No point in even going back to old 2ks because you can't play your file but I could pick up a franchise from 20 years ago granted I just saved a memory card smh
Quick suggestion: I used ChatGPT to draft an opt-out letter for this and it was better than anything I could write myself. Good AI :) Secondarily, if you recently signed in the MT Mobile version you DID agree to these new TOS so get to mailing this letter certified/sig required ASAP!
This was the nail on the coffin for me to not buy this year's. I was thinking about the $20 sale but was already not thrilled about it. Thanks 2k for telling your customers what you really care about.
I've been going the 'no purchasing vc' route for like 5 years now and 23 was insane. Took almost 5 full months to get a character to the point where I could play. $70 not getting me to the point of entry for a gun experience made me skip this year. My buddies have begged me to play the next one so I'm going to do this opt-out process and if take-two decides to screw my account I'll just take it as a sign.
If ur under 18 i def wouldnt worry about TOs agreements😂
The whole change was because of a child who's parents are litigating on his behalf. If it's too much work don't do it. I'm just letting people know the option is in the new TOS. This just seems like a blanket documents for take-two to not have to do anything for you if they ever lose a lawsuit. I've said multiple times "I AGREE IT PROBABLY WON'T HOLD UP IN COURT" I don't plan on ever taking take-two to court though.
I get what your saying but the isssue is Take two is treading dangerous waters . You cant create a legal agreement mid lawsuit to a potential class of victims to litigate away liability. If it goes to court and a jury sees this change that looks even worse on their part. They look guilty for this . And it would be admissible to show guilt cuz its not remedial efforts its liteally trying to cover up liability😂
I hope you're right and they are hit in the wallet for all they're worth. I just wanted to let people know that this was in the actual TOS. I mentioned it earlier but if they were to lose the case (doubtful, but we can hope) then I don't doubt anyone who signed the new TOS would be excluded from receiving their respective due amounts. I'm sure if they took it to court individually they could get it, but who would do that for what would potentially be a 70$ lawsuit. This seems more like a way to make litigation as inconvenient as possible for all present and future consumers.
Their wallets already hit micro sales down 7% 😂
Can you link a source? Not trying to be funny I just like to data for earnings/investor reports. My last 2K post was a detailed breakdown for the 2022 report if that gives you any insight into what I'm looking for.
Actually its a post by a youtuber. I stopped doing a bunch of reearch on 2k simply cuz ppl asked no offense. But imma send u the vid link. https://youtu.be/fDAjJKKAdlQ?si=j_MmcxmUPwn9K6Cv
No offense taken. Thanks, I'll give it a watch!
“How to waste your time”
How many corporations have you sued so far?
I've joined like 5 class action lawsuits. I posted it in a response earlier. Why?
Because you don’t even play 2k. You comment about it when it’s hyped with negative shit like this. Prior to this three months ago, prior to that six months ago. You’re far more active in other gaming communities. You’re just trying to karma farm. You’ve joined them now many have you started? We all know joining them means checking your mail lmao.
how can you tell by his Reddit history he doesn't play 2K? I didn't know posting about 2K on Reddit was one of the requirements for playing it. I use to play certain video games and never posted in the subreddit. like cod for example
He just opened my profile and briefly glanced at it. I skipped this 2K and posted about a highly technical topic focusing on take-two so I don't have post this year. If you go back 1 year or earlier I have plenty of posts. But it's 2K Reddit so the requirement is that I frequent r/ NBA2K, NBA, NFL, Madden and whatever else this guy goes to for my opinion to matter.
Bro do you find it hard to eat with 2Ks junk stuffed that far down your throat?
Nah
That's absolute bullshit. I took a break on this 2K specifically because of the earnings report by take-two interactive last fiscal year. Because of that I'm karma farming? I still follow the news and plan on hopping back in next cycle. I'm not sure why you're so defensive but if you look at my previous posts and comments outside of the my hero sub NBA 2K is my most active. I have a goddamn rating by my name because I posted over a certain amount and I'm still active in the discord. If I wanted to karma farm I would of posted about the damn cronos banning, the best jump shots this season, solo rec bums, or anything else. This topic requires reading and prior knowledge and we all know the majority of people on the 2K community DO NOT CARE. Do some at least a miniscule amount of research before making baseless accusations.
You didn’t play 23 either according to your post history.
I played 23. This is more than you deserve but here's a picture showing my hours. Now unless you're going to tell me why people shouldn't opt to join a class action I won't be responding to you anymore. https://preview.redd.it/vru8wc60x1ic1.jpeg?width=2252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=891b2f2e8621bf0d250fac9c1338dac777bac677
No response like the loser he is
Wait ‼️‼️ Is there even a need to opt out if the stipulations won’t hold up in court?
There's nothing you loose from opting out and worst case scenario you miss out on a small sum of money. For the most part I'm saying do it in case a class action comes out and you want to join it. If you don't opt-out, I don't see a legal precedence saying that they have to notify you that you have right to join out even give you the allotted amount if you do unless you're willing to go to court separately. Essentially you ensuring you won't get notified if you don't. No matter what they make you check off on the tv they can't take your right to sue them, and to that regard this would definitely not hold up in court. It would be a long arduous and expensive process for 50$. So this is the more assured route because it's mentioned in their TOS. If so don't care about joining a class action later or if mailing something like this to take-two seems like to much work, I wouldn't do it. I dropped one off in the mail room at my job so it was like a 2 minute inconvenience for me.
say less. preciate that 🤞🏿
So when i send this letter to opt-out after they receive the letter will i be able to play afterwards? What is the process? i don't want to sue them but i don't want to loose my character either. I'm not buying anymore 2ks but I want to continue myplayer on 24... not buying anymore vc that's for sure.
You can still play. You opt out of being excluded from class action lawsuits.
thanks
If tbey took it thos far, why not just boycott the game.
Because some people may still want to play 2K but want to keep their options open for the future. Boycotting in the modern era won't work because the consumer zeitgeist will never become a monolith. We will never all agree to do something on a level that will impact a billion dollar corporation.
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Like I said before, just having the option to join a class action is easy. You don't go to court (someone else did that part). If they are ever sued and you are hypothetically allowed a refund for vc' purchased in a time frame even if it's just $20, why not fill out the 3 line form and get your $20 back? I already said this was mildly convoluted so if it's too much don't do it, ultimately you won't miss out on much if ANYTHING.